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Maxwell's Demon
Maxwell's Demon Converts Information into Energy
Maxwell proposed that a hypothetical being (later dubbed Maxwell's demon) could separate the water into two compartments and reverse the process, isolating hot molecules from cold by letting only the hotter-than-average through a trap-door between the compartments.

Because mixed water is considered more disordered (i.e. of higher entropy) than separated water, the demon has converted a system from a state of disorder to a state of order, using only information (the knowledge of which molecules were hot and cold).

That seemed to violate the law, which also states that entropy should not decrease in an isolated system. In other words, the demon should not have been able to separate the hot and cold water without expending energy.

Later Hungarian physicist Leó Szilárd proposed that the process does not violate the laws of physics, because the demon would in fact have had to expend some energy to ascertain which molecules are hot and cold.

While scientists have continued to debate the theory, never before has anyone put the experiment into action.
Recently, physicist Shoichi Toyabe of Chuo University in Japan and colleagues did just that.


[link to www.livescience.com]



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Saw that earlier posted along with this link:

[link to www.nature.com]

This enables us to verify the generalized Jarzynski equality7, and suggests a new fundamental principle of an ‘information-to-heat engine’ that converts information into energy by feedback control.

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I didn't realise electric fields were information o.O
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lol xenus, energy = information

you remember rockon


"torsion field or spin field theories confirm that the spin—spin interactions may be transmitted by or through space like the electromagnetic wave but do not hold any energy or mass but the information only".

Looks like it's really here... More dense plasma = more energetic.
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energy = information

times arriving are not as destructive as before
it`s not the planets movements doing it any more
this time around we have energy inward bound
and it`s not nearly so bad as it might sound
the most significant effect you can be sure
is inducing thoughts for all minds to explore
the information will appear brand new not old
as this dose of energy allows feelings to unfold
it may not always be just an easy endevour
but a worthy way to become naturaly clever

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I didn't realise electric fields were information o.O
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heh heh
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heh heh
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Keep digging OP.

Look into Heaviside's simplifications/distortations of the orginal equations.

Also Heaviside's very odd behaviour, It went beyond eccentric.
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I didn't realise electric fields were information o.O
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What do you think the NSA is beaming into yo head bro? anger
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Velvet Goldmine - The Ballad of Maxwell Demon

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heh heh


Keep digging OP.

Look into Heaviside's simplifications/distortations of the orginal equations.

Also Heaviside's very odd behaviour, It went beyond eccentric.
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Will do
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Thanks! That's the kind of help I need to understand some of these concepts at a certain level.

It kind of confirms what is understood at an abstract level.
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Another thing that is interesting about this, is that it seems to not necessarily violate another law of thermodynamics, but bypasses it. Is that the same thing?
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heh heh


Keep digging OP.

Look into Heaviside's simplifications/distortations of the orginal equations.

Also Heaviside's very odd behaviour, It went beyond eccentric.
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Wow...

In a tragedy for science (if not for society in general) whose outlines we are only now beginning to appreciate, after Maxwell's death, two other 19th Century "mathematical physicists" -- Oliver Heaviside and William Gibbs -- "streamlined" Maxwell's original equations down to four simple (if woefully incomplete!) expressions. Because Heaviside openly felt the quaternions were "an abomination" -- never fully understanding the linkage between the critical scalar and vector components in Maxwell's use of them to describe the potentials of empty space ("apples and oranges," he termed them) -- he eliminated over 200 quaternions from Maxwell's original theory in his attempted "simplification."
[link to www.enterprisemission.com]
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never fully understanding the linkage between the critical scalar and vector components in Maxwell's use of them to describe the potentials of empty space
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Rotation
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never fully understanding the linkage between the critical scalar and vector components in Maxwell's use of them to describe the potentials of empty space



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Excellent!
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I didn't realise electric fields were information o.O

What do you think the NSA is beaming into yo head bro? anger
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Porn and advertising?
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Tesla made the world alive with electricity because he recognized and paved the way for the understanding of the rotating magnetic field of his AC motor. The force between magnets, what is this force? This field that exist, is this field the aether itself? If it is, would this explain a lot of pieces of the puzzle? Are there experiments to prove that the magnetic field is independent of the magnet? If so, then what is the cause of this field? What would be the quantum spin state of the field? How would this impact our understanding of the relationships to the creation of matter and its formation from the sub quantum system? Interesting framework of reference to consider the possibilites of taking the magnetic field and using it as a Aether reference. This allows us to speak of Aether in a proper sense of physics and to get over the "mad idea" knee jerk responses to words like Aether. This would also allow us to properly understand charge geometry and the expression of charge that is part of plasma and all states of matter. What about the inductance coil and its geometric properties recognized by Tesla, how does this knowledge of the master of lightning, help us to understand charge geometry? Can you really comprehend the knowledge that is contained in the mind of Tesla? Do you have a inking of why geometry is the primary component of a Tesla coil? Why would Tesla have such a vision of the Rotating Magnetic Field which powered the earth from the sun? Just what is it about a Rotating Magnetic Field, that exhibits the properties that it does?

How can iron wrapped by wire become "alive" with electricity...how did Tesla figure that out?
Can the Tesla coil exhibit different manifestations of charge?

What would these different manifestations of charge show us about the properties of charge?

Is the four force particle model missing something?

If you take the magnetic field, and call it Aether, you are not doing an injustice.

If you claim that quantum measurements, the ones we all use, are valuable, in and of themself, to build a new framework by starting at those measurements, would the universe reveal itself?
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Extended Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment. English version




This experiment has far more implications and is farmore powerful than anything I have ever seen before.
Its elegant, simplistic and yet complex, AND its easy to replicate.
It basically explains what cause the lines (which no one has bothered asking why there are lines there and what causes them to interfere in the first place!
Always with that photon duality BS!). And as far as I can tell, this proves what Tesla was doing in his last 40 years of research. The Luminiferous Aether
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The Boyd Bushman Gravitational Experiment. Anti-Magnetic Energy?






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Extended Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment. English version




This experiment has far more implications and is farmore powerful than anything I have ever seen before.
Its elegant, simplistic and yet complex, AND its easy to replicate.
It basically explains what cause the lines (which no one has bothered asking why there are lines there and what causes them to interfere in the first place!
Always with that photon duality BS!). And as far as I can tell, this proves what Tesla was doing in his last 40 years of research. The Luminiferous Aether
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I'd be interested in seeing that experiment performed where the apparatus is gradually rotated through a full circle relative to the points of a compass (horizontal plane).

Could the gravity of this galaxy's core cause this, is that why the interference pattern stops moving, because the beams are in alignment with the gravitational waves? Or am I way off track?

Speaking of gravity, I can recall reading that in order for Newton's gravity equations to work out properly, the speed of gravity had to be transfinite. Is that correct, or an internet fable? Does anyone know?
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bumpity
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So maxwell's demon is the heliosphere? Outside the boundary is hot plasma, relatively dense, inside is less dense, less hot solar wind, also a plasma. If the plasma outside the heliosphere gets denser and hotter, so will the inside, regardless of the shield?
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never fully understanding the linkage between the critical scalar and vector components in Maxwell's use of them to describe the potentials of empty space



Rotation
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Excellent!
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You might like Tom Beardon's website too

[link to www.cheniere.org]
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Wow...now think of those little particles like individual people and look at it on a human being scale...

hmm I love that video.
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Wow...now think of those little particles like individual people and look at it on a human being scale...

hmm I love that video.
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That is profound, Aruna...
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Wow...now think of those little particles like individual people and look at it on a human being scale...

hmm I love that video.


That is profound, Aruna...
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Very Cool
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Wow...now think of those little particles like individual people and look at it on a human being scale...

hmm I love that video.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna



OMG, that is a fantastic way to look at it Luna.

Love your insight AND smilies. :lunalaugh:

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Wow...now think of those little particles like individual people and look at it on a human being scale...

hmm I love that video.
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Exactly. So who's lifting the gate to let the faster-moving, warmer people through to one side, and the slower-moving, cooler people to the other?

What decides the time is right for the gate to be opened?
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Wow...now think of those little particles like individual people and look at it on a human being scale...

hmm I love that video.



Exactly. So who's lifting the gate to let the faster-moving, warmer people through to one side, and the slower-moving, cooler people to the other?

What decides the time is right for the gate to be opened?
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Indeed!

And to take it further, from an energy balance perspective, where and around what does the boundary of the system get drawn?

Additionally, how is quality of information quantified to a corresponding energy level?

One could expect higher level knowledge to be more subtle from an elegance perspective, yet possibly more energetic as would be reflected in a complex group of waveforms.

To use a systems programming analogy, daemons have a low level functionality, yet they're always running at a higher hierarchical level in the process streams, therefore continuously consuming enough energy to sustain their place in time.
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Wow...now think of those little particles like individual people and look at it on a human being scale...

hmm I love that video.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


That is the way I always look at everything... AS is macro, so is micro. (or vice versa!)

Brings it all home so to speak. Practical magic!

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To use a systems programming analogy, daemons have a low level functionality, yet they're always running at a higher hierarchical level in the process streams, therefore continuously consuming enough energy to sustain their place in time.
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I can dig it! Now your talkin my language........


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