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Move over TSA... here comes
Red Flag Tests, Coming January 1

November 15, 2010
via: 1000PaperCuts
[link to deathby1000papercuts.com]

Quote:
Wait till you have to

* buy a car
* or an appliance
* or deal with a debt collector

beginning next year.
Due to the new federal government mandate,
Joe the used car salesman is going give you a test if you want to buy a car on credit.

Included in the list of so-called creditors is your family doctor.

Among those steps is determining whether a person applying for financing –
or even paying cash for a car –

appears on any government watch lists

of known or suspected terrorists or terrorist organizations. (a database is a database... ANY database can be implemented)

Two separate federal mandated programs,

* Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Red Flags Rules mandate which goes into effect January 1st
* U.S. Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC) requirements which are already in effect.


The effect of these two federal government mandated programs,
also red flags who has what info gathered on you
and who will be able to access it

in the guise of protecting you from identity theft.

Over at the Federal Trade Commission Red Flag Rules website,

video
[link to www.ftc.gov]

there is no mention of ‘terrorist watch lists’, the emphasis on ‘protecting people from identity theft’ and ‘fraud detection’.

Social Security Number as ID

"When I get a Red Flag that says “Social Security number does not match applicant and or address”
not specific to either one, according to the law I have to prove that they are who they say they are."


....That No Man might Buy or Sell Unless He has the Mark

"The OFAC is a database that lists people on the Specially Designated Persons List,
some folks informally call it the terrorist watch list.
You are correct in saying that even cash deals, and probably more importantly in cash deals,
dealers are required to check the buyer’s personal information against that watch list
before completing the transaction."

(How soon before Safeway and Fryes uses the database?)

10 Questions

"ID Authenticate... This product will put 20 “out of wallet” questions

* on your computer screen
* about the credit applicant,
* with corresponding answers.

You must correctly answer 10!
The questions are derived from public data sources.

A few examples are:

• What is the approximate square footage of your home at 5708 Main Street?
• In what state was your SSN Card issued?
• In which of the following addresses have you lived?

Square Footage of your home??????

Oh yes..... there's more
Including the IRS.

If we do not rally and dismantle this beast.... and quickly..
Your life will NEVER be the same.

This is an ENORMOUS mis-use of the 'Commerce Clause'
to create a nationwide Federal system of Snitch Patrols
infiltrating the buy/sell Commerce within every local community.
Terrorists my asssssssssss.

GET BUSY with your STATE LEGISLATORS... and outlaw/refuse to 'enforce' or allow
the Federal Beast that ASSUMES we will all just
Cooperate.

militia
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HOLY SHIT!
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Pfft.

I'll buy from a private owner.
As a man begins to live more seriously within: He begins to live more seriously without.
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That was a rambling, incoherent mess that makes little sense. Can you tighten that up a bit for, um, clarity, OP?
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Buy from neighbors an friends, keep the economy going between each other, when the fat cats realise the only thing they can sell you is there last breath they'll realise they aint got that much hold on this planet.

I wish, I wish, I wish. I truly do.

We don't need them.

We need each other.
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This is absolutely unenforceable without assigned quarters.
There are no 10 questions about anyone that does not change
almost constantly.

IT is also unenforceable without a secure border. 1 million illegals per year, with fake social security numbers, stolen numbers and ID's, multiple numbers for different names, same names for multiple people, fake claims of residency and phone numbers, with cell phones in the mix will make this impossible.

And how many used car salesmen will verify and risk losing a sale? None. They too, will fake everything.

I don't think we are turning into China or Germany.
I think we are turning into Russia, where those most corrupt
survive best.

Let the black market games begin.
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Pfft.

I'll buy from a private owner.
 Quoting: Bipolar-Bear


Technically anyone offering a product or service is supposed to check with OFAC to verify that the person you're doing business with is not an SDN (Specially Designated National).

Garage sales, lemonade stands, even the frickin girls scouts are supposed to verify client identity ies before performing transactions. After all, if the terrorists get our thin mints, they win.
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Whaaaa?????

ID everyone who you are selling a product or service to?

Big brother is truly here. This will be the beginning of the true black market/underground/barter economy.
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McGyver made bomb out of microwave oven .How many potential copycats are out there?
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If for example, I advertise my couch on Kijii or some other local site do I have to ask the potential buyer for the social security card to make sure they are who they say they are? Can someone please clarify this for me. I realize this is in the US, man, things are getting pretty crazy for you guys.
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If an illegal alien crack dealer can buy a glock a hummer and a house without any ID then a tax paying legal citizen should be able to enjoy the same privacy and anonymity.

I guess I need to talk to some crack dealers and ask them how they do it,lol
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Certainly won't 'weed out' terrorists.
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The PTB are shitting their pants because the sheeple are refusing the TSA Nazis.
Now you know why Bush and Lanny Davis were very nervously laughing on TV last night.
"Saturday, December 22, 2007

CLARKSBURG, W. Va. -- The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the United States and abroad."
To read the rest, go here:
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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The Red Flag Rules were implemented in 2008 ostensibly as a measure against identity theft. So far it's enactment has been delayed twice, lets hope it happens again.
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That was a rambling, incoherent mess that makes little sense. Can you tighten that up a bit for, um, clarity, OP?
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retard
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Papers Please :wacko:
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That was a rambling, incoherent mess that makes little sense. Can you tighten that up a bit for, um, clarity, OP?

retard
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this
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if this isn't pinned it certainly should be considering all of the other BULLSHIT that gets pinned around here....

just sayin.
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You must correctly answer 10!
The questions are derived from public data sources.

A few examples are:

• What is the approximate square footage of your home at 5708 Main Street?
• In what state was your SSN Card issued?
• In which of the following addresses have you lived?

 Quoting: Live Free or Die 917109


Plus have to tell them who our doctor is? Plus the enhanced pat downs/scans at airports....

AND YET....OUR BORDERS ARE STILL WIDE OPEN.
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Hahah seriously? Fine, they can have the sq ft of my house, i dont care lol I have nothing to hide but the typically debt everyone else is in. This is retarded....Why make this such a HUGE deal like we are all going to die or something. When I buy a car I have give my ssn, spouse and name, they want my address,phone number,e-mail, even 5 references from friends and family. When they start asking my sexuality then I would be concerned. Also, Maybe it's a good thing, there are alot of terroists here and illegals.
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The PTB are shitting their pants because the sheeple are refusing the TSA Nazis.
Now you know why Bush and Lanny Davis were very nervously laughing on TV last night.
"Saturday, December 22, 2007

CLARKSBURG, W. Va. -- The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the United States and abroad."
To read the rest, go here:
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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TPTB initiated the TSA campaign we are currently in an uproar over. a florida rep has already introduced their solution.... privatize with israeli security.


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Whaaaa?????

ID everyone who you are selling a product or service to?

Big brother is truly here. This will be the beginning of the true black market/underground/barter economy.
 Quoting: snark


Agreed.
We are living in the days in which we will *Witness* many things...

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"...HOSEA 4:6
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FUCK THIS SHIT! I'd rather buy anything I need used from off Craigslist that submit to this tyranny.
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I am a debt collector, and we haven't been told by anyone to ask any of those questions.
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Hahah Fine, i dont care lol I have nothing to hide...
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Everyone has something to hide... it's called PRIVACY. I assume you walk around naked? You never lock your doors? You always leave your window open? You leave your wallet laying around in public places? Your computer is free for anyone to use? You always leave your keys in the ignition?

When you realize that our government are crooks out to do every bad thing imaginable to you, then you won't be laughing.

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Hahah seriously? Fine, they can have the sq ft of my house, i dont care lol I have nothing to hide but the typically debt everyone else is in. This is retarded....Why make this such a HUGE deal like we are all going to die or something. When I buy a car I have give my ssn, spouse and name, they want my address,phone number,e-mail, even 5 references from friends and family. When they start asking my sexuality then I would be concerned. Also, Maybe it's a good thing, there are alot of terroists here and illegals.
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Don't mind takin it up the rear, huh? You seem to be a minority here.
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Pfft.

I'll buy from a private owner.


Technically anyone offering a product or service is supposed to check with OFAC to verify that the person you're doing business with is not an SDN (Specially Designated National).

Garage sales, lemonade stands, even the frickin girls scouts are supposed to verify client identity ies before performing transactions. After all, if the terrorists get our thin mints, they win.
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Shhh.... dont you know that if you stack 6 thin mints together, connect all of them with a strip of copper along the edge and push an 6" nail through the middle.... then connect the copper to the negative of a D battery, and the nail to the positive of the nail...

Oh, never mind.... no one would believe me anyway...
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I am a debt collector, and we haven't been told by anyone to ask any of those questions.
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Well, the third time you call me today -- I will tell you what questions you need to ask... fair?
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Among those steps is determining whether a person applying for financing – or even paying cash for a car – appears on any government watch lists of known or suspected terrorists or terrorist organizations

That's been in effect since 9/11. . .I don't know ANY car dealers who actually do it.


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