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I had a huge UFO experience and need to hear from others if they have seen same...

 
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God I hate when the good/evil card is played with this phenom...


Its funny, all the horrendous things mankind does to ourselves and our planet, and people still do not think that we are the fallen ones...
 Quoting: Sickscent


We are in a fallen state, but we were not originally fallen. That part is still coded in the genes. The fallen state was due to corruption from fallen one. That is the agenda. To get the pure into corruption and keep it going until the pureness is gone forever.
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God I hate when the good/evil card is played with this phenom...


Its funny, all the horrendous things mankind does to ourselves and our planet, and people still do not think that we are the fallen ones...


We are in a fallen state, but we were not originally fallen. That part is still coded in the genes. The fallen state was due to corruption from fallen one. That is the agenda. To get the pure into corruption and keep it going until the pureness is gone forever.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Sorry, I do not mean to sound angry...I just think it is HIGHLY judgemental to condemn them, without personally knowing them.

You shouldn't be judging another anyway.

Where are you getting this information from? It makes me want to bang my head on a wall.
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Too damn long, in laymans terms what happened OP?
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God I hate when the good/evil card is played with this phenom...


Its funny, all the horrendous things mankind does to ourselves and our planet, and people still do not think that we are the fallen ones...


We are in a fallen state, but we were not originally fallen. That part is still coded in the genes. The fallen state was due to corruption from fallen one. That is the agenda. To get the pure into corruption and keep it going until the pureness is gone forever.


Sorry, I do not mean to sound angry...I just think it is HIGHLY judgemental to condemn them, without personally knowing them.

You shouldn't be judging another anyway.

Where are you getting this information from? It makes me want to bang my head on a wall.
 Quoting: Sickscent


Your reaction is interesting, provoking you to anger. I am not sure where you see me standing in judgment, but I assure you I am not. It is what it is, and I have no opinion either way because I can't do anything about it. All I can do is decide which side of the fence I want to stand on.
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I have had something similar only the "presence" has not left. This is 12 years now. I think it is all military and has nothing to do with aliens.

Research Persinger and his God helmet. When you direct a source of energy at the right side of the head, it feels like a presence, but it is actually just man made energy weapons.

There are parts of our military and secret spy agencies and other departments that are EVIL. They are committing crimes against humanity. They are committing genocide and driving people nuts with this tech.
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My son, his girlfriend and I witnessed large triangular craft in the sky- very low- with lights underneath- summer of 2006. It almost looked like it was going to land on the neighbor's roof (house behind us- there was a large yard between...)This took place in Connecticut near Long Island sound. We also witnessed orbs- on numerous occasions. Some were in the air and others were actually in the branches of tall oak trees in the back yard. We invited a cop over to our house to verify we were not seeing things and he and his wife confirmed what we were observing.

On one occasion we witnessed what appeared to be two "light beings" in the backyard of the house next door. They were emitting energy. They were small- about 4 feet tall, and stood side by side. We opened the back door to welcome them. They moved a bit toward us, then disappeared.

There is more to this story.
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Research Persinger and his God helmet. When you direct a source of energy at the right side of the head, it feels like a presence, but it is actually just man made energy weapons.

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Exactly, the device that was with me was exactly that, a device, which when engaged felt like a heavy, intense, powerful negative entity that followed me closely everywhere I went.
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My son, his girlfriend and I witnessed large triangular craft in the sky- very low- with lights underneath- summer of 2006. It almost looked like it was going to land on the neighbor's roof (house behind us- there was a large yard between...)This took place in Connecticut near Long Island sound. We also witnessed orbs- on numerous occasions. Some were in the air and others were actually in the branches of tall oak trees in the back yard. We invited a cop over to our house to verify we were not seeing things and he and his wife confirmed what we were observing.

On one occasion we witnessed what appeared to be two "light beings" in the backyard of the house next door. They were emitting energy. They were small- about 4 feet tall, and stood side by side. We opened the back door to welcome them. They moved a bit toward us, then disappeared.

There is more to this story.
 Quoting: sawufos 1151386


Personally, I would like to know why the orbs are always in the trees. The trees are useful in some way, not sure how.

Please tell your story!
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God I hate when the good/evil card is played with this phenom...


Its funny, all the horrendous things mankind does to ourselves and our planet, and people still do not think that we are the fallen ones...


We are in a fallen state, but we were not originally fallen. That part is still coded in the genes. The fallen state was due to corruption from fallen one. That is the agenda. To get the pure into corruption and keep it going until the pureness is gone forever.


Sorry, I do not mean to sound angry...I just think it is HIGHLY judgemental to condemn them, without personally knowing them.

You shouldn't be judging another anyway.

Where are you getting this information from? It makes me want to bang my head on a wall.


Your reaction is interesting, provoking you to anger. I am not sure where you see me standing in judgment, but I assure you I am not. It is what it is, and I have no opinion either way because I can't do anything about it. All I can do is decide which side of the fence I want to stand on.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


lol, it is not provoking me to anger...I even said that I do not mean to sound angry. If you look, I reread my reply and it sounded like I was being angry, so I edited it and said that I do not mean to sound that way.

Oh well...Looks like you've got it all figured out.
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God I hate when the good/evil card is played with this phenom...


Its funny, all the horrendous things mankind does to ourselves and our planet, and people still do not think that we are the fallen ones...


We are in a fallen state, but we were not originally fallen. That part is still coded in the genes. The fallen state was due to corruption from fallen one. That is the agenda. To get the pure into corruption and keep it going until the pureness is gone forever.


Sorry, I do not mean to sound angry...I just think it is HIGHLY judgemental to condemn them, without personally knowing them.

You shouldn't be judging another anyway.

Where are you getting this information from? It makes me want to bang my head on a wall.


Your reaction is interesting, provoking you to anger. I am not sure where you see me standing in judgment, but I assure you I am not. It is what it is, and I have no opinion either way because I can't do anything about it. All I can do is decide which side of the fence I want to stand on.


lol, it is not provoking me to anger...I even said that I do not mean to sound angry. If you look, I reread my reply and it sounded like I was being angry, so I edited it and said that I do not mean to sound that way.

Oh well...Looks like you've got it all figured out.
 Quoting: Sickscent


Well, i wish i did have it all figured out. but, i don't and i may never. thats why i am here talking to all of you.
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One thing that I am really curious about OP, is where do you get this information from? I have done a thread concerning this subject, and I couldn't find out where religious people were getting this info about ETs being evil.

I am honestly curious, nothing more. I'll have to look for my thread about this and I'll paste the link here.
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Personally, I would like to know why the orbs are always in the trees. The trees are useful in some way, not sure how.

Please tell your story!
 Quoting: salt&light


The tree above all other entities clearly displays how to reverse the field direction and creates what most call anti gravity.
The sap falls to the top of the tree from our perception of up/down.


assists buoyancy at low level/low power
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I have had something similar only the "presence" has not left. This is 12 years now. I think it is all military and has nothing to do with aliens.

Research Persinger and his God helmet. When you direct a source of energy at the right side of the head, it feels like a presence, but it is actually just man made energy weapons.

There are parts of our military and secret spy agencies and other departments that are EVIL. They are committing crimes against humanity. They are committing genocide and driving people nuts with this tech.
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+1
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One thing that I am really curious about OP, is where do you get this information from? I have done a thread concerning this subject, and I couldn't find out where religious people were getting this info about ETs being evil.

I am honestly curious, nothing more. I'll have to look for my thread about this and I'll paste the link here.
 Quoting: Sickscent


Over the years I have read many, many books on many different persectives.

Off the top of my head I can name several books that got me to the theory that I hold today (mind you, my theory still has big holes and I am staying on the quest until, well, i don't know until when... let's just say I want to stay on it and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.)

Bible and Qu'ran
Dead Sea Scrolls
Apocryphal books (primarily Secrets of Enoch and Books 1 & 2 of Adam and Eve)
Hundreds of case studies on Abduction Phenom
Zacharia Sitchin books
The Omega Conspiracy
Communion
Many books on fallen angels, Nephilim, Noah and the great Deluge
Stephen Hawking books, documentaries
Journals on God particle
Many books on astro-physics, quantum mechanics and theoretical physics
Journals on Illuminati and other secret societies...

um... as I think of them I will post them....
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One thing that I am really curious about OP, is where do you get this information from? I have done a thread concerning this subject, and I couldn't find out where religious people were getting this info about ETs being evil.

I am honestly curious, nothing more. I'll have to look for my thread about this and I'll paste the link here.


Over the years I have read many, many books on many different persectives.

Off the top of my head I can name several books that got me to the theory that I hold today (mind you, my theory still has big holes and I am staying on the quest until, well, i don't know until when... let's just say I want to stay on it and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.)

Bible and Qu'ran
Dead Sea Scrolls
Apocryphal books (primarily Secrets of Enoch and Books 1 & 2 of Adam and Eve)
Hundreds of case studies on Abduction Phenom
Zacharia Sitchin books
The Omega Conspiracy
Communion
Many books on fallen angels, Nephilim, Noah and the great Deluge
Stephen Hawking books, documentaries
Journals on God particle
Many books on astro-physics, quantum mechanics and theoretical physics
Journals on Illuminati and other secret societies...

um... as I think of them I will post them....
 Quoting: Salt & Light


You needn't post anymore. Where are the case studies on the Abduction Phenom? I would love to look at that.
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You needn't post anymore. Where are the case studies on the Abduction Phenom? I would love to look at that.
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you are asking me to drum up titles of hundreds of writings over the last 15 years. That could take a while. I started out years ago in the public library, if that helps. Some that come to mind were many case studies in florida, arizona, new mexico. Betty and Barney hill stuff, man, so much I can't really tag you to anything in particular.
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You needn't post anymore. Where are the case studies on the Abduction Phenom? I would love to look at that.


you are asking me to drum up titles of hundreds of writings over the last 15 years. That could take a while. I started out years ago in the public library, if that helps. Some that come to mind were many case studies in florida, arizona, new mexico. Betty and Barney hill stuff, man, so much I can't really tag you to anything in particular.
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oh, yeah, I read tons of Hindu and Buddhist material. Tons.
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One thing that I am really curious about OP, is where do you get this information from? I have done a thread concerning this subject, and I couldn't find out where religious people were getting this info about ETs being evil.

I am honestly curious, nothing more. I'll have to look for my thread about this and I'll paste the link here.


Over the years I have read many, many books on many different persectives.

Off the top of my head I can name several books that got me to the theory that I hold today (mind you, my theory still has big holes and I am staying on the quest until, well, i don't know until when... let's just say I want to stay on it and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.)

Bible and Qu'ran
Dead Sea Scrolls
Apocryphal books (primarily Secrets of Enoch and Books 1 & 2 of Adam and Eve)
Hundreds of case studies on Abduction Phenom
Zacharia Sitchin books
The Omega Conspiracy
Communion
Many books on fallen angels, Nephilim, Noah and the great Deluge
Stephen Hawking books, documentaries
Journals on God particle
Many books on astro-physics, quantum mechanics and theoretical physics
Journals on Illuminati and other secret societies...

um... as I think of them I will post them....


You needn't post anymore. Where are the case studies on the Abduction Phenom? I would love to look at that.
 Quoting: Sickscent


I gotcha. NP. With that list, I can see why you would think they are negative.

Sorry to interupt your thread.
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I have had something similar only the "presence" has not left. This is 12 years now. I think it is all military and has nothing to do with aliens.

Research Persinger and his God helmet. When you direct a source of energy at the right side of the head, it feels like a presence, but it is actually just man made energy weapons.

There are parts of our military and secret spy agencies and other departments that are EVIL. They are committing crimes against humanity. They are committing genocide and driving people nuts with this tech.


+1
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to the OP,
i had been contacted by persons within the defense dept. who apparently have interest in time travel and other lifeforms..i thought it was a joke what they told me but than they sent a whitevan to my house one night alone to show theyre the real deal. around the time with these contacts with your military/gov. (im from a neighboring country) i had been seeing and encountering ufos and other noteable phenomana. i can only think its manmade technology as ive never been convinced it is otherwise - given my knowledge of mindcontrol and disinformant, deflection tactics.
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One thing that I am really curious about OP, is where do you get this information from? I have done a thread concerning this subject, and I couldn't find out where religious people were getting this info about ETs being evil.

I am honestly curious, nothing more. I'll have to look for my thread about this and I'll paste the link here.


Over the years I have read many, many books on many different persectives.

Off the top of my head I can name several books that got me to the theory that I hold today (mind you, my theory still has big holes and I am staying on the quest until, well, i don't know until when... let's just say I want to stay on it and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.)

Bible and Qu'ran
Dead Sea Scrolls
Apocryphal books (primarily Secrets of Enoch and Books 1 & 2 of Adam and Eve)
Hundreds of case studies on Abduction Phenom
Zacharia Sitchin books
The Omega Conspiracy
Communion
Many books on fallen angels, Nephilim, Noah and the great Deluge
Stephen Hawking books, documentaries
Journals on God particle
Many books on astro-physics, quantum mechanics and theoretical physics
Journals on Illuminati and other secret societies...

um... as I think of them I will post them....


You needn't post anymore. Where are the case studies on the Abduction Phenom? I would love to look at that.


I gotcha. NP. With that list, I can see why you would think they are negative.

Sorry to interupt your thread.
 Quoting: Sickscent


One thing I find interesting about my own story is that I was raised by atheists and held a "realist" belief system. I did not subscribe to God anything and held a scientific approach the the universe. My theory has changed dramatically over the years, not of my own choosing it seems but out of logic from taking in all the info from all different perspectives. I still think of God at times as Eternal force or Eternal entity, not a being but a state of being eternal. Defining that is as difficult as finding dark matter or gravity.

But, that is my experience and there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it. Maybe I seek validation to make something indescribable logical and scientific.
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One thing I find interesting about my own story is that I was raised by atheists and held a "realist" belief system. I did not subscribe to God anything and held a scientific approach the the universe. My theory has changed dramatically over the years, not of my own choosing it seems but out of logic from taking in all the info from all different perspectives. I still think of God at times as Eternal force or Eternal entity, not a being but a state of being eternal. Defining that is as difficult as finding dark matter or gravity.

But, that is my experience and there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it. Maybe I seek validation to make something indescribable logical and scientific.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Sounds similar to my upbringing. I had grown an affinity to eastern philosophies, and from a myriad of personal experiences, including conscious contact with 'beings', and spiritual states, I have come to my conclusion about how I feel about it all. Much different from yours.
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I have had something similar only the "presence" has not left. This is 12 years now. I think it is all military and has nothing to do with aliens.

Research Persinger and his God helmet. When you direct a source of energy at the right side of the head, it feels like a presence, but it is actually just man made energy weapons.

There are parts of our military and secret spy agencies and other departments that are EVIL. They are committing crimes against humanity. They are committing genocide and driving people nuts with this tech.


+1


to the OP,
i had been contacted by persons within the defense dept. who apparently have interest in time travel and other lifeforms..i thought it was a joke what they told me but than they sent a whitevan to my house one night alone to show theyre the real deal. around the time with these contacts with your military/gov. (im from a neighboring country) i had been seeing and encountering ufos and other noteable phenomana. i can only think its manmade technology as ive never been convinced it is otherwise - given my knowledge of mindcontrol and disinformant, deflection tactics.
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I hear what you are saying. I believe that man is behind the workings and are involved either wholly or in part. I believe that everything that happened to me happened at least in large part by some type of large scale human experiment. But, I can't say that solidly. Only a hunch. The military aircraft that were seen prior to my initial experience was a huge red flag.
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One thing I find interesting about my own story is that I was raised by atheists and held a "realist" belief system. I did not subscribe to God anything and held a scientific approach the the universe. My theory has changed dramatically over the years, not of my own choosing it seems but out of logic from taking in all the info from all different perspectives. I still think of God at times as Eternal force or Eternal entity, not a being but a state of being eternal. Defining that is as difficult as finding dark matter or gravity.

But, that is my experience and there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it. Maybe I seek validation to make something indescribable logical and scientific.


Sounds similar to my upbringing. I had grown an affinity to eastern philosophies, and from a myriad of personal experiences, including conscious contact with 'beings', and spiritual states, I have come to my conclusion about how I feel about it all. Much different from yours.
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I would relish your perspective on this matter. I am open minded and would like to hear your wisdom on this.
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One thing I find interesting about my own story is that I was raised by atheists and held a "realist" belief system. I did not subscribe to God anything and held a scientific approach the the universe. My theory has changed dramatically over the years, not of my own choosing it seems but out of logic from taking in all the info from all different perspectives. I still think of God at times as Eternal force or Eternal entity, not a being but a state of being eternal. Defining that is as difficult as finding dark matter or gravity.

But, that is my experience and there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it. Maybe I seek validation to make something indescribable logical and scientific.


Sounds similar to my upbringing. I had grown an affinity to eastern philosophies, and from a myriad of personal experiences, including conscious contact with 'beings', and spiritual states, I have come to my conclusion about how I feel about it all. Much different from yours.


I would relish your perspective on this matter. I am open minded and would like to hear your wisdom on this.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


It could be a long answer. Give me a little bit to put it together...This should be interesting...

peace
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One thing I find interesting about my own story is that I was raised by atheists and held a "realist" belief system. I did not subscribe to God anything and held a scientific approach the the universe. My theory has changed dramatically over the years, not of my own choosing it seems but out of logic from taking in all the info from all different perspectives. I still think of God at times as Eternal force or Eternal entity, not a being but a state of being eternal. Defining that is as difficult as finding dark matter or gravity.

But, that is my experience and there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it. Maybe I seek validation to make something indescribable logical and scientific.


Sounds similar to my upbringing. I had grown an affinity to eastern philosophies, and from a myriad of personal experiences, including conscious contact with 'beings', and spiritual states, I have come to my conclusion about how I feel about it all. Much different from yours.


I would relish your perspective on this matter. I am open minded and would like to hear your wisdom on this.


It could be a long answer. Give me a little bit to put it together...This should be interesting...

peace
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rockon
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There are other UFO researchers who have come to the same conclusion: these are fallen angels.

Below is a group of researchers who have collected alien abduction testimonies (about 75 of them).

[link to www.alienresistance.org]

If any of you are still going through these "alien encounters" or experiences, here's the ultimate test: Command them to leave "in the name of Jesus." If they disappear, then you have your answer.
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There are other UFO researchers who have come to the same conclusion: these are fallen angels.

Below is a group of researchers who have collected alien abduction testimonies (about 75 of them).

[link to www.alienresistance.org]

If any of you are still going through these "alien encounters" or experiences, here's the ultimate test: Command them to leave "in the name of Jesus." If they disappear, then you have your answer.
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Thank you! For some, a battle ensues (such as in my case.) Be prepared to stand on the authority and not waiver. Warrior stance may be necessary. (Warrior spiritual clothes...)
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There are other UFO researchers who have come to the same conclusion: these are fallen angels.

Below is a group of researchers who have collected alien abduction testimonies (about 75 of them).

[link to www.alienresistance.org]

If any of you are still going through these "alien encounters" or experiences, here's the ultimate test: Command them to leave "in the name of Jesus." If they disappear, then you have your answer.
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Re: I had a huge UFO experience and need to hear from others if they have seen same...
First off, I have read all of Whitley’s books, Communion etc., The Threat, all of Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe Series and her Custodians and Keepers of the Garden, Jim Sparks The keepers, The Watchers series, Budd Hopkins books, Stanley Friedman’s work, on and on. Most importantly, I have read John Mack’s works. Most of all, I have thought about this a lot…about my own experiences and what they are, what they mean.

I have contact with beings, first the Grey, now the Mantis type. Mantis are very motherly, nurturing, loving…very feminine. Greys are cold and analytical. In my opinion, this doesn’t make them evil, just makes them different. If you try to think of either thinking in human ways, then you will be way off base, right from the start. They do not ‘think’ like humans. Humans create fantasies/drama into our lives. We live life as if those ‘fantasies’ are reality. This is extremely difficult to understand, because we LIVE IN THE HUMAN CONDITION. How the hell can we envision thought patterns outside the human condition? That is without lies/deceit/ego. We put these things into everything we think. Imagine other intelligences not living that way…we know the behaviors we partake in as a human species, cannot be in harmony with the universe, with god…

OK, this is important to understand...and this is why pusing for the new paradigm is so important...you see, we can't have any 'wrong' theories about how the universe truly works...

contact of physical non human life not a function of officialy endorced structure of universe......time over distance does not permit......the structure of our universe forced to alter to permit contact.......no traditional description of god functions within the structure of our universe permitting contact...

1. contact of physical non human life not a function of officialy endorced structure of universe......time over distance does not permit

That must change. It is possible, but common belief is that it is not possible...that has to change

2. the structure of our universe forced to alter to permit contact

This must change also...it is better to NOT be forced...the way scientists and others think of the universe as this present time (though some are recognizing the fallacies of certain theories) does not permit contact en masse...it must be a smooth process or problems with Them viewing the universe different than the way we (falsely) view the universe, makes the possibilities of instability between the contact that much more likely...

3. no traditional description of god functions within the structure of our universe permitting contact...

Put simply, our religions and beliefs of what god is in those major religions, has no structure in place for the event of contact with a higher intelligence...

These are a few of the items that aether has called - the politics of disclosure - aether

My response to his view was this (this is extremely important in understanding the difficulty of actual world-wide contact with ETs and other intelligent entities):

That is amazing. Understandings of the fundamental aspects of the universe are a requirement for contact, and not in an elitist manner, but of a common understanding in the majority of societies.

Without this, too many discrepancies for populations to absorb correctly. Too many falsities. The contact would be unsustainable. There would be an immense imbalance, and the greater the imbalance, even in this scenario, the greater discharge is required to achieve balance. The contact would be destructive. The paradigm must advance out of its present state of fallacies or the risk of discharge is too great. Those societal discharges created from a false understanding of the way the universe works would guarantee instability in any efforts of true contact or disclosure...of any advanced intelligence...including that of God. - SickScent

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Sometimes this is so hard to accomplish without writing an entire book…

I don't know what I would do if the experiences ever just stopped...it is very hard to go a couple weeks without them...I at least have lucid dream/astral travel/obe experiences a couple times a week to hold me over for the 'bigger' experiences that come my way...

One of the hardest things to do is to get rid of all the CRAP you read and learn about. Especially when dealing with the ET existence...the only way to properly understand it is to experience it without the fear...I wrote something about that...I'll have to find it and post it in this thread.

All the horror stories you hear about ETs are fabricated, either by the person confusing the experience, or the assholes that make stories up for disinformation or for shits and giggles...

For most, there is an enormous set of baggage that must be sorted through in order to not distort experiences...that is the process we are going through while we make the transition to a new paradigm. The misunderstandings are going to be a doozy because of our lack in trusting certain sources of information...it will get easier as we go further...
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Fear is the worst of enemies while in the process of evolution.

… I cannot help wondering what it might take to bring about the shift in consciousness, the change of paradigm that is implicit in what the abductees have undergone. It would appear that what is required is a kind of cultural ego death, more profoundly shattering… than the Copernican revolution which demonstrated that the earth, and therefore humankind, did not reside at the center of the cosmos.
- John E. Mack, M.D , “Abduction”, 1994 pg 420

Don't try to put your ego away. Don't try to put it down. It is a natural process. In natural processes, the harder you try to push something away, the harder it is to push away. You have to recognize it and let the emotion that it brings go through you without dwelling on it. This is all simplicity. Wisdom is recognizing the thought energy (because you have experienced it before) and not acting upon it. It is like in meditation when a thought comes to you but you do not dwell on it. It passes through you and upon coming out of meditation you do not even remember what those thoughts were. This is part of the process of awakening. It is awareness of our eternal selves no matter the form. Spiritual growth is the ability to transcend dualism. It is not the ability to push it away.
- Chad Adams
Concerning Egocentric Behaviors in Altered States
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Mantis are probably the most spiritual in nature...there has been no predatory aspect AT ALL in any of my experiences with her (them). None, zilch, zip, nada...beautiful as much as strange...
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re mantis having final say let me explain...they are the best equipped to deal with human emotion...all human emotional translating is incoherent...if you had never met humans before but were yourself at a level of awareness within our universe where you had the ability to come and observe them...the effect of human radiated emotion would begin where human imagination of hell ends.......it is indescribable shocking to a non human because each and every emotion carries the right shapes/pulses for it to exist but because there has never been within the imagination of humans the correct awareness of the cause and effects of all things..all of their emotions are contaminated with their fantasy....which to an intelligence of non human origin type we are discussing...is worse than hell because they can never fathom a creature that naturaly exists and radiates the right shapes yet the information contained within those shapes is filled with horror.........they know why we exist but they can never fathom our actions because they do not relate to our fantasies......that was the problem we are here to resolve......
-aether
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Our emotions are incoherent to other species because of the fantasies we place inside the human condition...an example of this is fear...that emotion alone causes many humans to act in ways that they otherwise never would, because they are 'fantasizing' and imagining things that really are not in the experience, only in their minds...

Makes us Unpredictable...and with that unpredictability comes caution in dealing with us...extreme caution...all of our emotions are contaminated with these fantasies that are only in our minds, but we react to them as if they are real...a jealous husband...fantasies that we watch on TV and react to them as if they are a part of daily life...love we might feel for someone, but as only a reaction to past experiences (infatuation)...

If you are not submerged in the human condition, it would be very difficult interacting properly with us, don't you think...They do not fathom our reactions, because they are not part of the human condition...conditions that we relate to through fantasy...
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within human fantasies are many realities...this has the effect of frequently attracting an intelligence that is responding to that or those realities...without exception at some point...the human moves into it`s fantasy which the reality is part of within their mind...this has devastating effects upon the interacting party whom can never know what or why the human does or is doing what it is because fantasy does not exist within it`s own imagination.....reality of infinite real potential is all that exists within their minds ....which in practise makes human fantasy...whatever is was or is.....insignificant within positive emotions as well as being non existent in practice...
-aether
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