I had a huge UFO experience and need to hear from others if they have seen same...

God I hate when the good/evil card is played with this phenom...


Its funny, all the horrendous things mankind does to ourselves and our planet, and people still do not think that we are the fallen ones...


We are in a fallen state, but we were not originally fallen. That part is still coded in the genes. The fallen state was due to corruption from fallen one. That is the agenda. To get the pure into corruption and keep it going until the pureness is gone forever.


Sorry, I do not mean to sound angry...I just think it is HIGHLY judgemental to condemn them, without personally knowing them.

You shouldn't be judging another anyway.

Where are you getting this information from? It makes me want to bang my head on a wall.


Your reaction is interesting, provoking you to anger. I am not sure where you see me standing in judgment, but I assure you I am not. It is what it is, and I have no opinion either way because I can't do anything about it. All I can do is decide which side of the fence I want to stand on.

I've also heard the intense summertime insect sounds that suddenly shut down or morph into "electrical" sounds.

First off, I have read all of Whitley’s books, Communion etc., The Threat, all of Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe Series and her Custodians and Keepers of the Garden, Jim Sparks The keepers, The Watchers series, Budd Hopkins books, Stanley Friedman’s work, on and on. Most importantly, I have read John Mack’s works. Most of all, I have thought about this a lot…about my own experiences and what they are, what they mean.


-aether

First off, I have read all of Whitley’s books, Communion etc., The Threat, all of Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe Series and her Custodians and Keepers of the Garden, Jim Sparks The keepers, The Watchers series, Budd Hopkins books, Stanley Friedman’s work, on and on. Most importantly, I have read John Mack’s works. Most of all, I have thought about this a lot…about my own experiences and what they are, what they mean.

I have contact with beings, first the Grey, now the Mantis type. Mantis are very motherly, nurturing, loving…very feminine. Greys are cold and analytical. In my opinion, this doesn’t make them evil, just makes them different. If you try to think of either thinking in human ways, then you will be way off base, right from the start. They do not ‘think’ like humans. Humans create fantasies/drama into our lives. We live life as if those ‘fantasies’ are reality. This is extremely difficult to understand, because we LIVE IN THE HUMAN CONDITION. How the hell can we envision thought patterns outside the human condition? That is without lies/deceit/ego. We put these things into everything we think. Imagine other intelligences not living that way…we know the behaviors we partake in as a human species, cannot be in harmony with the universe, with god…



OK, this is important to understand...and this is why pusing for the new paradigm is so important...you see, we can't have any 'wrong' theories about how the universe truly works...

contact of physical non human life not a function of officialy endorced structure of universe......time over distance does not permit......the structure of our universe forced to alter to permit contact.......no traditional description of god functions within the structure of our universe permitting contact...

1. contact of physical non human life not a function of officialy endorced structure of universe......time over distance does not permit

That must change. It is possible, but common belief is that it is not possible...that has to change

2. the structure of our universe forced to alter to permit contact

This must change also...it is better to NOT be forced...the way scientists and others think of the universe as this present time (though some are recognizing the fallacies of certain theories) does not permit contact en masse...it must be a smooth process or problems with Them viewing the universe different than the way we (falsely) view the universe, makes the possibilities of instability between the contact that much more likely...

3. no traditional description of god functions within the structure of our universe permitting contact...

Put simply, our religions and beliefs of what god is in those major religions, has no structure in place for the event of contact with a higher intelligence...

These are a few of the items that aether has called - the politics of disclosure - aether

My response to his view was this (this is extremely important in understanding the difficulty of actual world-wide contact with ETs and other intelligent entities):

That is amazing. Understandings of the fundamental aspects of the universe are a requirement for contact, and not in an elitist manner, but of a common understanding in the majority of societies.

Without this, too many discrepancies for populations to absorb correctly. Too many falsities. The contact would be unsustainable. There would be an immense imbalance, and the greater the imbalance, even in this scenario, the greater discharge is required to achieve balance. The contact would be destructive. The paradigm must advance out of its present state of fallacies or the risk of discharge is too great. Those societal discharges created from a false understanding of the way the universe works would guarantee instability in any efforts of true contact or disclosure...of any advanced intelligence...including that of God. - SickScent


Sometimes this is so hard to accomplish without writing an entire book…



I don't know what I would do if the experiences ever just stopped...it is very hard to go a couple weeks without them...I at least have lucid dream/astral travel/obe experiences a couple times a week to hold me over for the 'bigger' experiences that come my way...

One of the hardest things to do is to get rid of all the CRAP you read and learn about. Especially when dealing with the ET existence...the only way to properly understand it is to experience it without the fear...I wrote something about that...I'll have to find it and post it in this thread.

All the horror stories you hear about ETs are fabricated, either by the person confusing the experience, or the assholes that make stories up for disinformation or for shits and giggles...

For most, there is an enormous set of baggage that must be sorted through in order to not distort experiences...that is the process we are going through while we make the transition to a new paradigm. The misunderstandings are going to be a doozy because of our lack in trusting certain sources of information...it will get easier as we go further...



Fear is the worst of enemies while in the process of evolution.

… I cannot help wondering what it might take to bring about the shift in consciousness, the change of paradigm that is implicit in what the abductees have undergone. It would appear that what is required is a kind of cultural ego death, more profoundly shattering… than the Copernican revolution which demonstrated that the earth, and therefore humankind, did not reside at the center of the cosmos.
- John E. Mack, M.D , “Abduction”, 1994 pg 420

Don't try to put your ego away. Don't try to put it down. It is a natural process. In natural processes, the harder you try to push something away, the harder it is to push away. You have to recognize it and let the emotion that it brings go through you without dwelling on it. This is all simplicity. Wisdom is recognizing the thought energy (because you have experienced it before) and not acting upon it. It is like in meditation when a thought comes to you but you do not dwell on it. It passes through you and upon coming out of meditation you do not even remember what those thoughts were. This is part of the process of awakening. It is awareness of our eternal selves no matter the form. Spiritual growth is the ability to transcend dualism. It is not the ability to push it away.
- Chad Adams
Concerning Egocentric Behaviors in Altered States




Mantis are probably the most spiritual in nature...there has been no predatory aspect AT ALL in any of my experiences with her (them). None, zilch, zip, nada...beautiful as much as strange...



re mantis having final say let me explain...they are the best equipped to deal with human emotion...all human emotional translating is incoherent...if you had never met humans before but were yourself at a level of awareness within our universe where you had the ability to come and observe them...the effect of human radiated emotion would begin where human imagination of hell ends.......it is indescribable shocking to a non human because each and every emotion carries the right shapes/pulses for it to exist but because there has never been within the imagination of humans the correct awareness of the cause and effects of all things..all of their emotions are contaminated with their fantasy....which to an intelligence of non human origin type we are discussing...is worse than hell because they can never fathom a creature that naturaly exists and radiates the right shapes yet the information contained within those shapes is filled with horror.........they know why we exist but they can never fathom our actions because they do not relate to our fantasies......that was the problem we are here to resolve......
-aether




Our emotions are incoherent to other species because of the fantasies we place inside the human condition...an example of this is fear...that emotion alone causes many humans to act in ways that they otherwise never would, because they are 'fantasizing' and imagining things that really are not in the experience, only in their minds...

Makes us Unpredictable...and with that unpredictability comes caution in dealing with us...extreme caution...all of our emotions are contaminated with these fantasies that are only in our minds, but we react to them as if they are real...a jealous husband...fantasies that we watch on TV and react to them as if they are a part of daily life...love we might feel for someone, but as only a reaction to past experiences (infatuation)...

If you are not submerged in the human condition, it would be very difficult interacting properly with us, don't you think...They do not fathom our reactions, because they are not part of the human condition...conditions that we relate to through fantasy...



within human fantasies are many realities...this has the effect of frequently attracting an intelligence that is responding to that or those realities...without exception at some point...the human moves into it`s fantasy which the reality is part of within their mind...this has devastating effects upon the interacting party whom can never know what or why the human does or is doing what it is because fantasy does not exist within it`s own imagination.....reality of infinite real potential is all that exists within their minds ....which in practise makes human fantasy...whatever is was or is.....insignificant within positive emotions as well as being non existent in practice...
-aether

First off, I have read all of Whitley’s books, Communion etc., The Threat, all of Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe Series and her Custodians and Keepers of the Garden, Jim Sparks The keepers, The Watchers series, Budd Hopkins books, Stanley Friedman’s work, on and on. Most importantly, I have read John Mack’s works. Most of all, I have thought about this a lot…about my own experiences and what they are, what they mean.


-aether



I have read most of the sources that you have cited above as well (and then some) and I have a degree from Harvard.

On the website that I have linked, those people also claim to have been in contact with alien beings. Just because you choose to reject the fallen angel scenario does NOT make their alien encounters any less real than yours. In short, it will require a huge paradigm shift in thought, but if you remain open-minded, you will get to the bottom of what's really going on.

I've also heard the intense summertime insect sounds that suddenly shut down or morph into "electrical" sounds.




I've heard these sounds....

I've also heard the intense summertime insect sounds that suddenly shut down or morph into "electrical" sounds.




I've heard these sounds....

BTW, I have had a recent experience that I just came to mind. My husband (new husband) and I went camping this summer (I live in northern colorado now) at a campsite near Estes Park. I was sitting in a lawn chair with hubby and just looking at the stars. There was another husband and wife in neighboring campsite sitting out and skywatching also. I looked straight above me and saw a bright white star move in a small square formation and then dash off eastward (?) I didn't say anything but the woman down the way commented to her husband asking if he saw it. I yelled out to her that I saw it too.

I've also heard the intense summertime insect sounds that suddenly shut down or morph into "electrical" sounds.




I've heard these sounds....


I hear an "electrical" sound now that I have, for months, attributed to my ears ringing but it DOES seem to come from the center of my head and not from my ears. Don't know the cause of it. Been happening since January and I am nearly used to it now.

I have also seen someone "morph", it was terrifying! I do not entertain a "spirit of fear" as I know where that spirit originates but I will tell you that when I saw this girl change, the fear I felt was indescribeable!

BTW, I have had a recent experience that I just came to mind. My husband (new husband) and I went camping this summer (I live in northern colorado now) at a campsite near Estes Park. I was sitting in a lawn chair with hubby and just looking at the stars. There was another husband and wife in neighboring campsite sitting out and skywatching also. I looked straight above me and saw a bright white star move in a small square formation and then dash off eastward (?) I didn't say anything but the woman down the way commented to her husband asking if he saw it. I yelled out to her that I saw it too.


Demons...

BTW, I have had a recent experience that I just came to mind. My husband (new husband) and I went camping this summer (I live in northern colorado now) at a campsite near Estes Park. I was sitting in a lawn chair with hubby and just looking at the stars. There was another husband and wife in neighboring campsite sitting out and skywatching also. I looked straight above me and saw a bright white star move in a small square formation and then dash off eastward (?) I didn't say anything but the woman down the way commented to her husband asking if he saw it. I yelled out to her that I saw it too.


Demons...



haha, your cynical expression mixed with sarcastic aggressive undertones are showing more about you than you realize. please try to respect everyone's opinions here, if you can.

There are other UFO researchers who have come to the same conclusion: these are fallen angels.

Below is a group of researchers who have collected alien abduction testimonies (about 75 of them).

[link to www.alienresistance.org]

If any of you are still going through these "alien encounters" or experiences, here's the ultimate test: Command them to leave "in the name of Jesus." If they disappear, then you have your answer.

I've also heard the intense summertime insect sounds that suddenly shut down or morph into "electrical" sounds.




I've heard these sounds....


What do you think they mean?

I applaud you for taking this obvious undercover indoctrination attempt on in such a sane and rational manner.

I can't. I just don't have the patience for it which is why I said that "I shoulda known"

I have no time for indoctrination what so ever.

I just completely shut the conversation down.

But hats off to you for your tenacity. lolol

I've also heard the intense summertime insect sounds that suddenly shut down or morph into "electrical" sounds.




I've heard these sounds....


I hear an "electrical" sound now that I have, for months, attributed to my ears ringing but it DOES seem to come from the center of my head and not from my ears. Don't know the cause of it. Been happening since January and I am nearly used to it now.

I have also seen someone "morph", it was terrifying! I do not entertain a "spirit of fear" as I know where that spirit originates but I will tell you that when I saw this girl change, the fear I felt was indescribeable!

Noah was spared the Great Flood because many scholars believe that such rampant human genetic manipulation was taking place that Noah was one of the few people alive in that day whose blood was still pure and untainted.

I applaud you for taking this obvious undercover indoctrination attempt on in such a sane and rational manner.

I can't. I just don't have the patience for it which is why I said that "I shoulda known"

I have no time for indoctrination what so ever.

I just completely shut the conversation down.

But hats off to you for your tenacity. lolol


interesting perspective....

indoctrinate: –verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2. to teach or inculcate.
3. to imbue with learning.

I was not aware I was indoctrinating anyone... but it is interesting that you picked that up and feel so adverse to it. to what specifically would my thread be indoctrinating one into? And, why does it upset you so?

I am still piecing it all together but I have some info that might be useful. I have to leave for a bit and will get back to this shortly but to get you started here is some stuff:

1) they are territorial and can only be in territories that God is not standing in.

2) they are interested in disturbing the Adam bloodline and this agenda has been going on since the beginning of man.

3) they can use other bloodlines but are particularly interested in Adamic line. Holds more value to them. The other bloodlines that can be used are more for drones, like stormtroopers for evil agenda.

4) Those who are saved and believe and trust in God have authority over them. They cannot tamper with you if God is with you.

5) they are fallen angels, not aliens from another planet. they are demons and agents of Satan. (Read "The Omega Conspiracy") Agenda is to take God out of man forever. (Read Book of Adam and Eve) I will go into more detail later today on this topic.

6) They can be conjured.

That is some stuff to get thoughts cooking. I have to go now but will talk more about it when I get home later.

Noah was spared the Great Flood because many scholars believe that such rampant human genetic manipulation was taking place that Noah was one of the few people alive in that day whose blood was still pure and untainted.


It is written that Noah was the last of Adam descendent and is why he was chosen to preserve bloodline. From the texts that I read (ancient stuff mostly) that Jesus is also a direct descendent of Adam so the bloodline continued at least that long. It was well known from biblical times that it was very important for certain clans to never mate with other clans of different "lines."

OP, I completely believe you. I also feel that MUFON is not what they say and why I've never reported anything to them.

I am blown away by your description of the woman's eyes. This is a scary thing for me to say as I've never told this before. I was madly in love with a man and we had been an item for a number of years and planning marriage. Something came up which made me suspect he was seeing or had seen someone else so I confronted him. Looking him right in the eyes, I asked him if this was true.

He didn't blink but as he denied it, a sort of film or 'slit' went vertically across his eyes...from left to right. It took place in a nano-second. I knew he had lied. I never saw that again but in these later years, I simply can't get it out of my mind. Especially now with all the talk of reptilians ( which i find hard to believe). This man was not sinister...it made me wonder if there are 'good' reptilians.

Did you see something like that in this woman's eyes?

Noah was spared the Great Flood because many scholars believe that such rampant human genetic manipulation was taking place that Noah was one of the few people alive in that day whose blood was still pure and untainted.


It is written that Noah was the last of Adam descendent and is why he was chosen to preserve bloodline. From the texts that I read (ancient stuff mostly) that Jesus is also a direct descendent of Adam so the bloodline continued at least that long. It was well known from biblical times that it was very important for certain clans to never mate with other clans of different "lines."

I am still piecing it all together but I have some info that might be useful. I have to leave for a bit and will get back to this shortly but to get you started here is some stuff:

1) they are territorial and can only be in territories that God is not standing in.

2) they are interested in disturbing the Adam bloodline and this agenda has been going on since the beginning of man.

3) they can use other bloodlines but are particularly interested in Adamic line. Holds more value to them. The other bloodlines that can be used are more for drones, like stormtroopers for evil agenda.

4) Those who are saved and believe and trust in God have authority over them. They cannot tamper with you if God is with you.

5) they are fallen angels, not aliens from another planet. they are demons and agents of Satan. (Read "The Omega Conspiracy") Agenda is to take God out of man forever. (Read Book of Adam and Eve) I will go into more detail later today on this topic.

6) They can be conjured.

That is some stuff to get thoughts cooking. I have to go now but will talk more about it when I get home later.

hi salt and light

they are territorial and can only be in territories that God is not standing in.

can you explain that more please

When Satan was cast out of heaven he was allowed to be in certain places. He and his cohorts are still allowed to be in those places and can remain there until his final judgment.

Noah was spared the Great Flood because many scholars believe that such rampant human genetic manipulation was taking place that Noah was one of the few people alive in that day whose blood was still pure and untainted.


It is written that Noah was the last of Adam descendent and is why he was chosen to preserve bloodline. From the texts that I read (ancient stuff mostly) that Jesus is also a direct descendent of Adam so the bloodline continued at least that long. It was well known from biblical times that it was very important for certain clans to never mate with other clans of different "lines."


and in addition to that Mary, Jesus' mother was also a descendent of Adam which is shown in the geneology. Joseph also. It was important for Jesus to be born from Adamic descent. There are others with this bloodline. I think if there were no more from Adamic line, there would be an end to the battle.