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ALIENS BROUGHT US HERE 900 YEARS AGO -- The 12 Apostles & Jesus never existed ... I CAN PROVE IT!

 
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ALIENS BROUGHT US HERE 900 YEARS AGO -- The 12 Apostles & Jesus never existed ... I CAN PROVE IT!
Aliens brought millions of people to an earth staged with ancient structures and paved roads 900 years ago to play out the roles assigned to them a-cross different countries of different cultures,faiths, and in the blinking of an eye believing they all lived here before and went about their everyday duties.

I've already proven that the 6 Great Empires of the past were fables, I started with the first, Egypt. (alpha)
Thread: DISCLOSURE: Human civilization is not older then 900 YEARS. -- All scientifically minded NUMBSKULLS welcomed!

Today I'll focus on the last great empire Rome (omega) and prove that Jesus and the dirty dozen were just made up.

The 12 apostles and Jesus were said to have walked this earth during a time when the Romans ruled the known world included was the conquest and occupation of Israel. (Jerusalem)

The Roman Empire was said to have reigned for almost 500 years beginning in 27-BC with Augustus Caesar and ended with Theodosius the Great 395-AD. The famous celebrated Jesus along with his 12 legendary disciples survived for more then 300 years already since the crucifiction and were finally acknowledged by the ruling class and all were inscribed unto the pages of our so-called history documented at the so-called historic council of Laodicea in 364 AD due to their popularity.

Yet, there are no portraits of Jesus or the last 12 fishermen made by anyone living at that time.

Yet, there are no poems written about the son of god by admires who were willing to die for Jesus, their lord.

Yet, there are no songs expressing love for him or about his valiant disciples who walked triumphantly before their enemies without their heads as most were beheaded.

Today you have real humans with real souls and emotions expressing their love for Jesus in poems,songs,plays,movies.
[link to www.famouspoetsandpoems.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Where are the Jesus poems,songs and plays written by those people during the Roman days?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who loved the lord after the Fall of Rome? (500AD)

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 600 AD?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 700 AD?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 800 AD?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 900 AD? -- Get the picture!

Why no portraits?

Jesus was making miracles of all sorts, healing, and feeding fish sandwiches to the thousands while the 12 fishermen brought their catch to the Market-place wrapped in Gospel-paper.

Non-existing portraits will never be forthcoming because this story took place within a fairytale called the Roman Empire written by the advanced species passed unto the humans they brought here 900 years ago who were already conditioned and convinced of these beliefs and its history.

Even this guy has a portrait circulating the World.
[link to www.klangundkleid.ch]
And he wasn't anywhere near in greatness as a son of god would be.

Famous people (past & present) most have poems and songs written about them.

I even got a poem composed to me by a good talent.
Thread: Is "Punisher" the greatest poster in the history of GLP?

I got admirers who expressed love for me.
Thread: punisher,I miss you!!
Thread: PUNISHER is the GREATEST POSTER in GLP HISTORY!
Thread: The Punisher is gay - no need for logic or science to prove it either

I got stories written about me. Just do a search.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

- Where is the proof that humans lived during the time of the Romans when Jesus and the headless 12 walked the earth?

- Where are these Jesus artistic expressions, or even documents of the Romans, on anything?

Its what is documented by humans about humanity like songs, poems, stories, plays, weather, wars, discoveries "in the news" sort of thing that speaks reality. These Jesus-Roman records and the fact that they are nowhere to be found would have been a witnessing testament that human life was lived during that timeframe.

The Roman records and there whereabouts will never be forthcoming because the human race didn't exist at that point in time to express the essence of the human soul and document that impression within the pages of True history like we do today with every expression we live, experience and love. The fact that Roman records are missing proves that earth was just a stage waiting for the actors to come and take their roles.

Its not like the Roman empire and its people completely disappeared from that geographical location. No! The Italians remained in Rome, why would there be no documents of their own past generations?

If your argument is one that the Italians grew tired of Roman songs in 500 AD and that they wished no longer to chant the poems of their ancestors greatness, or marvel at the portraits of their success wouldn't there be some place where these documents could be stored, like a Library?

- Its like nobody wrote anything during that period that expressed their Roman souls.

- Its like nobody sang a song.

- Its like nobody danced.

- Its like nobody wrote a poem.

- Its like nobody drew a picture, not even from a child that a Roman mom would hang on to remembering it by.

- Its like there were no important discussions or debates.

- Its like there were no ideas exchanged or suggestions to solutions to problems Rome either faced or were to face.

- Its like humans were not alive during that timeframe.

These missing Roman records is proof that people weren't around (including Jesus et al) when anthropologists archeologists and historians say the Roman Empire existed. But the most compelling proof are that of the missing (never written) documents that no society, no invading army, no form of stupidity rise to power would ever dare to remove or destroy, and these are the records of earthquakes which by the way only began to be documented 900 years ago.

Records of earthquakes would always survive.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

The fear and the innate scientific curiosity of such earth shattering force would compel those living to properly inscribe this event with time and date for future access. Earthquakes aren't just a bad snow fall, or torrential rains which we today document regardless. Earthquakes would have scared those who lived on earth as it scares those living today to make notes and file these accounts for future access.

No my friends, we were brought here by advanced beings who set the earth up like a stage, all ancient buildings like Pyramids (great wall) all built by them. They also wrote all beliefs-systems. All religions from the origins (book of enoch) to the jewish torah,christian new testament,islamic koran are all false and never occurred. Included are the sumerian tablets,hinduism,buddhism,thoth atlantean, all derived from enochian theme storyline.

- Enoch was a make-believe character written by these advanced beings.

- The torah that followed was done to separate a class of people that would come to this earth and play-out that role.

- The same for the christians and their 12 apostles. Including zombie Jesus who died but lives, living-dead, lol!

- The same for mohamed koran b/s, building mosques where the make-believe Romans pulled down the fairytale Temple.

ALL CREATED BY THE ADVANCE BEINGS TO SEPARATE AND CAUSE CONFLICT

THE CRUSADES WERE THE RESULT --

When the Aliens brought the humans (actors), the humans took up their beliefs (roles) on the stage (earth) designed and set-up by the advanced beings and the humans carried out their indoctrinated beliefs. The soldiers (humans) came alive on battlefield earth.
[link to www.middle-ages.org.uk]
[link to www.crusades.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

During the period known as the Crusades were the first recordings of earthquakes.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

You will also note that these recordings also happened during what historians called "The Renaissance" -- Re-Birth.
[link to www.mrdowling.com]

The intelligent species had me believing that I was the last buck in the book of enoch, and that I was supposed to awaken others to that the world was under Nephilim leadership by showing that the Democratic & Republican animal symbols represented the Nephilim (chapter 86), only the camel between the asses and elephants in the dream were reserved to immortalized the words of zombie jesus to his followers: "You strain out the gnats fighting with atheist science dummies yet you swallowed the CAMEL whole!" --

That's how highly intelligent and influential they can be.

You will live out your life thinking you are living by free-will of faith and never know the truth of it all.

PEACE

hf
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Is that you Vincent Elzakiah Young? You've got to stop bothering these nice people. They don't understand your great power in the meditative world. Your spirt guide warned you about this. Come back before it's too late. Semjase, Jesus and Ptah need your help!! (not to mention your shadow person)
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completely incorrect. And why are you wasting time on this trash, when ye should be doing something for this world. There are real records held by the vatican and MANY others that date this world to long ago. Long before Jesus and some of these records ARE about Jesus.
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The fact is, life on Earth is not normal by any means!!

What do we really know, nothing, only what we have been taught!!

We do learn everyday, that which we have been taught is a lie!!

What I do know, is that reincarnation is a reality, and we are forced to return with memory wipes!!

What I also know, is that memory wipes would only be standard procedure if TPTB (Interdimensional powers) had something to hide, to keep secret!!

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

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Then why is 99%+ of our dna identical to Chimpanzees? Why do we have 5 fingers just like mice and alligators and dogs and cats? Why is our hair and fingernails the same exact material as all other animals? Why is our blood the same salinity as sea water?

We are of the earth, case closed. jerkit
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completely incorrect. And why are you wasting time on this trash, when ye should be doing something for this world. There are real records held by the vatican and MANY others that date this world to long ago. Long before Jesus and some of these records ARE about Jesus.
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ohhh yes ALIENS ARE SO HARD TO BELIEVE?!?!?! but a man who lives in the clouds and cam back to life bla bla bla yes yes this is all true...
I joke.. I joke..
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The aliens have recorded mankind, and they have the crusifixion of Jesus Christ to on tape.

They will show us our history and they will show us the way Jesus walked the earth if we ask them to.

They are plain evil. Dont fall for their traps.



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Marcus 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
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The aliens have recorded mankind, and they have the crusifixion of Jesus Christ to on tape.

They will show us our history and they will show us the way Jesus walked the earth if we ask them to.

They are plain evil. Dont fall for their traps.



devil6
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OoOOoOo I hope is in HD and 5.1 dolby digital..Jesus should be seen no other way
I joke.. I joke..
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At the time Jesus walked the Earth I don't think they had paint and canvas, I dont remember seeing any paintings except on the walls of the buildings, and I am sure the Romans wouldnt want outsiders painted on their walls. We have old buildings that have been there for 1000's of years, why would they go to all that trouble to bury complete cities just to fake it, sure I believe we were either brought down here by Aliens or our DNA was spliced with theirs, but not just 900 years ago
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the funniest part about this thread will be the heated discussion that ensues.
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alien dad?

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Peace to all...
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The funniest part of this is the OP said he could "prove it" - uhh OP = fail.
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the funniest part about this thread will be the heated discussion that ensues.
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It will only be heated by those with closed minds, as for me, I'm open minded, even willing to entertain that christ was real, even though I don't believe it to be true!!

The secret is to not carve your beliefs in stone!!

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Then why is 99%+ of our dna identical to Chimpanzees? Why do we have 5 fingers just like mice and alligators and dogs and cats? Why is our hair and fingernails the same exact material as all other animals? Why is our blood the same salinity as sea water?

We are of the earth, case closed.
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I will never dispute or refute the fact that we turn to ashes and dust at our resting place, the grave. Having said that;
what makes you say that there are no other earths in the Universe capable of cultivating humans?"

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I love the Number 12 Twelve ...!

LoL it's like a Dodecahedron lol

AnyWay..!
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ROFL!!!!!!

Aliens might have spewed their dna here 100's of thousands of years ago, but this does NOT support your theory that Jesus and His disciples never existed. Stop spreading your pack of lies. Your proof is based on a pack of LIES.






Aliens brought millions of people to an earth staged with ancient structures and paved roads 900 years ago to play out the roles assigned to them a-cross different countries of different cultures,faiths, and in the blinking of an eye believing they all lived here before and went about their everyday duties.

I've already proven that the 6 Great Empires of the past were fables, I started with the first, Egypt. (alpha)
Thread: DISCLOSURE: Human civilization is not older then 900 YEARS. -- All scientifically minded NUMBSKULLS welcomed!

Today I'll focus on the last great empire Rome (omega) and prove that Jesus and the dirty dozen were just made up.

The 12 apostles and Jesus were said to have walked this earth during a time when the Romans ruled the known world included was the conquest and occupation of Israel. (Jerusalem)

The Roman Empire was said to have reigned for almost 500 years beginning in 27-BC with Augustus Caesar and ended with Theodosius the Great 395-AD. The famous celebrated Jesus along with his 12 legendary disciples survived for more then 300 years already since the crucifiction and were finally acknowledged by the ruling class and all were inscribed unto the pages of our so-called history documented at the so-called historic council of Laodicea in 364 AD due to their popularity.

Yet, there are no portraits of Jesus or the last 12 fishermen made by anyone living at that time.

Yet, there are no poems written about the son of god by admires who were willing to die for Jesus, their lord.

Yet, there are no songs expressing love for him or about his valiant disciples who walked triumphantly before their enemies without their heads as most were beheaded.

Today you have real humans with real souls and emotions expressing their love for Jesus in poems,songs,plays,movies.
[link to www.famouspoetsandpoems.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Where are the Jesus poems,songs and plays written by those people during the Roman days?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who loved the lord after the Fall of Rome? (500AD)

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 600 AD?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 700 AD?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 800 AD?

Where are the poems,songs and plays written by believers who walked the earth during 900 AD? -- Get the picture!

Why no portraits?

Jesus was making miracles of all sorts, healing, and feeding fish sandwiches to the thousands while the 12 fishermen brought their catch to the Market-place wrapped in Gospel-paper.

Non-existing portraits will never be forthcoming because this story took place within a fairytale called the Roman Empire written by the advanced species passed unto the humans they brought here 900 years ago who were already conditioned and convinced of these beliefs and its history.

Even this guy has a portrait circulating the World.
[link to www.klangundkleid.ch]
And he wasn't anywhere near in greatness as a son of god would be.

Famous people (past & present) most have poems and songs written about them.

I even got a poem composed to me by a good talent.
Thread: Is "Punisher" the greatest poster in the history of GLP?

I got admirers who expressed love for me.
Thread: punisher,I miss you!!
Thread: PUNISHER is the GREATEST POSTER in GLP HISTORY!
Thread: The Punisher is gay - no need for logic or science to prove it either

I got stories written about me. Just do a search.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

- Where is the proof that humans lived during the time of the Romans when Jesus and the headless 12 walked the earth?

- Where are these Jesus artistic expressions, or even documents of the Romans, on anything?

Its what is documented by humans about humanity like songs, poems, stories, plays, weather, wars, discoveries "in the news" sort of thing that speaks reality. These Jesus-Roman records and the fact that they are nowhere to be found would have been a witnessing testament that human life was lived during that timeframe.

The Roman records and there whereabouts will never be forthcoming because the human race didn't exist at that point in time to express the essence of the human soul and document that impression within the pages of True history like we do today with every expression we live, experience and love. The fact that Roman records are missing proves that earth was just a stage waiting for the actors to come and take their roles.

Its not like the Roman empire and its people completely disappeared from that geographical location. No! The Italians remained in Rome, why would there be no documents of their own past generations?

If your argument is one that the Italians grew tired of Roman songs in 500 AD and that they wished no longer to chant the poems of their ancestors greatness, or marvel at the portraits of their success wouldn't there be some place where these documents could be stored, like a Library?

- Its like nobody wrote anything during that period that expressed their Roman souls.

- Its like nobody sang a song.

- Its like nobody danced.

- Its like nobody wrote a poem.

- Its like nobody drew a picture, not even from a child that a Roman mom would hang on to remembering it by.

- Its like there were no important discussions or debates.

- Its like there were no ideas exchanged or suggestions to solutions to problems Rome either faced or were to face.

- Its like humans were not alive during that timeframe.

These missing Roman records is proof that people weren't around (including Jesus et al) when anthropologists archeologists and historians say the Roman Empire existed. But the most compelling proof are that of the missing (never written) documents that no society, no invading army, no form of stupidity rise to power would ever dare to remove or destroy, and these are the records of earthquakes which by the way only began to be documented 900 years ago.

Records of earthquakes would always survive.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

The fear and the innate scientific curiosity of such earth shattering force would compel those living to properly inscribe this event with time and date for future access. Earthquakes aren't just a bad snow fall, or torrential rains which we today document regardless. Earthquakes would have scared those who lived on earth as it scares those living today to make notes and file these accounts for future access.

No my friends, we were brought here by advanced beings who set the earth up like a stage, all ancient buildings like Pyramids (great wall) all built by them. They also wrote all beliefs-systems. All religions from the origins (book of enoch) to the jewish torah,christian new testament,islamic koran are all false and never occurred. Included are the sumerian tablets,hinduism,buddhism,thoth atlantean, all derived from enochian theme storyline.

- Enoch was a make-believe character written by these advanced beings.

- The torah that followed was done to separate a class of people that would come to this earth and play-out that role.

- The same for the christians and their 12 apostles. Including zombie Jesus who died but lives, living-dead, lol!

- The same for mohamed koran b/s, building mosques where the make-believe Romans pulled down the fairytale Temple.

ALL CREATED BY THE ADVANCE BEINGS TO SEPARATE AND CAUSE CONFLICT

THE CRUSADES WERE THE RESULT --

When the Aliens brought the humans (actors), the humans took up their beliefs (roles) on the stage (earth) designed and set-up by the advanced beings and the humans carried out their indoctrinated beliefs. The soldiers (humans) came alive on battlefield earth.
[link to www.middle-ages.org.uk]
[link to www.crusades.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

During the period known as the Crusades were the first recordings of earthquakes.
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

You will also note that these recordings also happened during what historians called "The Renaissance" -- Re-Birth.
[link to www.mrdowling.com]

The intelligent species had me believing that I was the last buck in the book of enoch, and that I was supposed to awaken others to that the world was under Nephilim leadership by showing that the Democratic & Republican animal symbols represented the Nephilim (chapter 86), only the camel between the asses and elephants in the dream were reserved to immortalized the words of zombie jesus to his followers: "You strain out the gnats fighting with atheist science dummies yet you swallowed the CAMEL whole!" --

That's how highly intelligent and influential they can be.

You will live out your life thinking you are living by free-will of faith and never know the truth of it all.

PEACE

hf
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Since this keeps coming up from political Marxist it will be presented yet again.


Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth: "These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."
[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]



The Evidence for the Existence of Jesus

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CORNELIUS TACITUS (55 - 120 A.D.) Tacitus was a 1st and 2nd century Roman historian who lived through the reigns of over half a dozen Roman emperors. Considered one of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Tacitus verifies the Biblical account of Jesus' execution at the hands of Pontius Pilate who governed Judea from 26-36 A.D. during the reign of Tiberius.

"Christus, the founder of the [Christian] name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also." Annals XV, 44
[link to www.perseus.tufts.edu]

What this passage reveals and how it confirms the Biblical account:

-Jesus did exist

-Jesus was the founder of Christianity

-Jesus was put to death by Pilate

-Christianity originated in Judea (With Jesus)

-Christianity later spread to Rome (Through the Apostles and Evangelists)

Because of his position as a professional historian and not as a commentator Tacitus referenced government records over Christian testimony. There is not a surviving copy of Tacitus' Annals that does not contain this passage. There is no verifiable evidence of tampering of any kind in this passage. It simply provides evidence of Jesus' existence (a topic not debated at this point in history) and not his divinity.

[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]



GAIUS SUETONIUS TRANQUILLUS (69 - 130 A.D.) Suetonius was a prominent Roman historian who recorded the lives of the Roman Caesars and the historical events surrounding their reigns. He served as a court official under Hadrian and as an annalist for the Imperial House. Suetonius records the expulsion of the Christian Jews from Rome (mentioned in Acts 18:2) and confirms the Christian faith being founded by Christ.

"As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, [Claudius] expelled them from Rome." Life of Claudius 25.4
[link to www.fordham.edu]



THALLUS (~ 52 A.D.) Although his works exist only in fragments, Julius Africanus debates Thallus' explanation of the midday darkness which occurred during the Passover of Jesus' crucifixion. Thallus tries to dismiss the darkness as a natural occurrence (a solar eclipse) but Africanus argues (and any astronomer can confirm) a solar eclipse cannot physically occur during a full moon due to the alignment of the planets. Phlegon of Tralles, a 2nd century secular historian, also mentions the darkness and tries to dismiss it as a solar eclipse. He also states the event occurred during the time of Tiberius Caesar.

"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness. The rocks were rent by an earthquake and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover. But an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time... Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth-manifestly that one of which we speak." Chronography XVIII, 47
[link to www.neverthirsty.org]



PLINY THE YOUNGER (63 - 113 A.D) Pliny the Younger admits to torturing and executing Christians who refused to deny Christ. Those who denied the charges were spared and ordered to exalt the Roman gods and curse the name of Christ. Pliny addresses his concerns to Emperor Trajan that too many citizens were being killed for their refusal to deny their faith.

"I asked them directly if they were Christians...those who persisted, I ordered away... Those who denied they were or ever had been Christians...worshiped both your image and the images of the gods and cursed Christ. They used to gather on a stated day before dawn and sing to Christ as if he were a god... All the more I believed it necessary to find out what was the truth from two servant maids, which were called deaconesses, by means of torture. Nothing more did I find than a disgusting, fanatical superstition. Therefore I stopped the examination, and hastened to consult you...on account of the number of people endangered. For many of all ages, all classes, and both sexes already are brought into danger..." Pliny's letter to Emperor Trajan
[link to www.tyrannus.com]

Though Pliny states some of the accused denied the charges, a recurring theme in the correspondence between Pliny and Trajan is the willingness of the true believer to die for Christ. This would hardly be reasonable if they knew He never existed!

Pliny states the Christians worshiped Christ as if he were a god. This indicates one who would not normally be considered a god, such as a human who was exalted to divine status. Also, the early Christians would have been in the position to know if Jesus was a historical figure or not.




CELSUS (~ 178 A.D.) Celsus was a second century Roman author and avid opponent of Christianity. He went to great lengths to disprove the divinity of Jesus yet never denied His actual existence. Unfortunately for Celsus, he sets himself up for criticism by mimicking the exact accusations brought against Jesus by the pharisees which had already been addressed and refuted in the New Testament.

On Jesus' Miracles: "Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain magical powers... He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god... It was by means of sorcery that He was able to accomplish the wonders which He performed... Let us believe that these cures, or the resurrection, or the feeding of a multitude with a few loaves... These are nothing more than the tricks of jugglers... It is by the names of certain demons, and by the use of incantations, that the Christians appear to be possessed of miraculous power..."

Not only does Celsus confirm Jesus' existence, he also tries to debate the source of Jesus' miracles. Like the pharisees of Jesus' day, Celsus tries to dismiss these miracles as both demonic possession and cheap parlor tricks. However, he is clearly grasping at straws: On one hand Celsus accuses Jesus of performing magic learned in Egypt, then later states it is by the power of possession, then states the miracles were not really miracles at all but were illusionary tricks performed by a deceiver, then finally states the miracles never occurred!

On the Virgin Birth: "Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her hands. His mother had been turned out by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a Roman soldier named Panthera]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard."

Celsus acknowledges Jesus' birth and existence but does not accept the concept of a virgin conception. He tries to dismiss Mary's premarital pregnancy as the result of an affair she had with a Roman soldier. Strangely enough, there is a very similar passage in the Jewish Talmud which makes the same accusation. This gives us reason to believe Celsus might have referenced Jewish sources for some of his arguments.

On the Apostles: "Jesus gathered around him ten or eleven persons of notorious character... tax-collectors, sailors, and fishermen... He was deserted and delivered up by those who had been his associates, who had him for their teacher, and who believed he was the savior and son of the greatest God... Those who were his associates while alive, who listened to his voice, and enjoyed his instructions as their teacher, on seeing him subjected to punishment and death, neither died with nor for him... but denied that they were even his disciples, lest they die along with Him."

Celsus' intentions were to argue that if the disciples really believed Jesus was the Son of God, they would not have forsaken Him at His arrest. Instead, he only ends up confirming the Biblical account! The Bible tells us when Jesus was arrested, the apostles denied being His followers. It was only upon Jesus' resurrection they understood the spiritual principles concerning Jesus' crucifixion and boldly went out to preach the Gospel. Celsus is also wrong with his statement, they neither died with nor for him. We are told by early historians all but one of the remaining apostles were killed for their faith.

On Jesus' Divinity: "One who was a God could neither flee nor be led away a prisoner... What great deeds did Jesus perform as God? Did he put his enemies to shame or bring to an end what was designed against him? No calamity happened even to him who condemned him... Why does he not give some manifestation of his divinity, and free himself from this reproach, and take vengeance upon those who insult both him and his Father?"

Celsus ridicules Jesus for the exact same reasons the pharisees of His time ridiculed Him- if Jesus was the Son of God, why didn't He save Himself from the cross? Neither Celsus nor the pharisees understood the spiritual implications of Jesus' death to atone for sin. Celsus also asks why no judgment came upon the Jews but history shows shortly after His death Jerusalem was invaded by the Romans, the Jewish temple was destroyed, and the Jewish people were dispersed for almost 2,000 years!

John the Baptist "If any one predicted to us that the Son of God was to visit mankind, he was one of our prophets, and the prophet of our God? John, who baptized Jesus, was a Jew."

Celsus confirms Jesus' baptism by John but asserts that John was the only one who actually prophesied His coming- not the Old Testament Messianic prophecies.

On the Crucifixion: "Jesus accordingly exhibited after His death only the appearance of wounds received on the cross, and was not in reality so wounded as He is described to have been."

In this statement, Celsus confirms Jesus' death by crucifixion although he claims the only wounds Jesus received were those inflicted by the crucifixion (thus denying any previous torture had taken place). But not even history offers Celsus the benefit of a doubt as floggings were the standard form of torture given to victims prior to crucifixion. Celsus contradicts himself yet again when he later states Jesus was probably never even crucified but instead had an impostor die in His place!



LUCIAN OF SAMOSATA (120 - ~180 A.D.) Lucian was a second century Greek satirist and rhetorician who scornfully describes his views of early Christianity. Though he ridicules the Christians and their Christ, his writings confirm Jesus was executed via crucifixion and that He was the founder of Christianity.

"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day- the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account... It was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers from the moment they are converted and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws..." The Death of Peregrinus 11-13
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What this passage reveals and how it confirms the Biblical account:

-Jesus did exist

-Jesus was the founder of Christianity

-Jesus was worshiped by His followers

-Jesus suffered death by crucifixion




MARA BAR-SERAPION (Post 70 A.D) Mara Bar-Serapion of Syria penned this letter from prison to his son. Though it is obvious he does not acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God, he does mention aspects of Jesus' life. There is some criticism regarding this passage but it must be noted nothing in Serapion's letter contradicts what we know about Jesus.

"What advantage did the Athenians gain from putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as a judgment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burning Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King? It was just after that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: The Athenians died of hunger. The Samians were overwhelmed by the sea. The Jews, ruined and driven from their land, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates did not die for good. He lived on in the teachings of Plato. Pythagoras did not die for good. He lived on in the statue of Hera. Nor did the wise King die for good. He lived on in the teaching which He had given."

How do we know this passage is a reference to Jesus?

-He was a wise King (Jesus was mocked by the Romans as The King of the Jews, the messianic prophecies fulfilled by Jesus referred to the coming Messiah as a king, Christian believers believed Jesus was their promised spiritual king, and Jesus was born from the royal line of King David).

-He was Jewish (Jesus was a Galilean Jew).

-He was executed (Jesus was crucified after the Jews appealed to Pilate to have Him crucified).

-After His death Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed (This occurred in 70 A.D., after Jesus' death).

-The Jews were dispersed after His death (The Jews abandoned Judea after the Roman attack of 70 A.D.).

-He was a teacher (Jesus was a rabbi/teacher).

-He lived on after death in His teachings (Jesus and His teachings founded the Christian faith).




FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS (37 - 100 A.D.) Josephus was a first century pharisee and historian of both priestly and royal ancestry who provided important insight into first-century Judaism. Josephus was born only three years after the crucifixion of Jesus, making him a credible witness to the historicity of Jesus.

"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. For he appeared to them alive again the third day. As the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribes of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day." Antiquities XVIII, 3:2
[link to www.gutenberg.org]

Jews have no reason to embelish towards Christianity.

We'll now examine the second passage given to us by Josephus.


"So Ananus assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus, the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over to be stoned."
Antiquities XX 9:1
[link to www.gutenberg.org]

Even if we dismiss the disputed words in Josephus' Testimonium, we still see he testifies to a number of things in the above two passages:

-Jesus lived in the first century

-He performed wonderful works (miracles)

-Some believed Jesus to be the Christ

-He was a teacher

-He had many followers

-He was tried by Pilate

-He was crucified

-He was the founder of Christianity

-James was the brother of Jesus




THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD The Babylonian Talmud is an ancient record of Jewish history, laws, and rabbinic teachings compiled throughout the centuries. Though it does not accept the divinity of Jesus, it confirms the belief He was hanged (an idiom for crucifixion) on the eve of the Passover.

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu (Jesus) [Some texts: Yeshu/Jesus the Nazarene] was hanged [crucified]. Forty days before the execution, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover."


In regards to personal writings, Socrates, for example, exists only in the writings of his students. There is not a single document still in existence that contains his original works. If we apply the same logic with Socrates skeptics use to determine Jesus' historicity, we must assume Socrates was a figment of the imagination of his students. But if we are to accept Socrates as a historical figure based on four secondary accounts, we must also accept Jesus as a historical figure whose life was documented by His disciples, historians, and those who rejected His divine claims. When skeptics claim there is a difference between a man such as Socrates and Jesus, they would be absolutely correct- Jesus had more accounts written about Him.



AREN'T THE WRITINGS THAT REFER TO JESUS JUST HEARSAY ACCOUNTS?

Documenting the Gospels preserved the accounts for future generations but oral evangelism was the practical method in making the Gospel available to the current population. Whether the accounts were written the day after Jesus' ascension or 30 years later, the fact is they were still penned by either the original witnesses or during the lives of the original witnesses who could confront heretical accounts.

Jesus also concentrated His ministry in various provinces of Judea- not secular hubs of the ancient world like Rome or Alexandria. Christianity spread into the surrounding areas after the life of Jesus. I would be far more suspicious of a Roman historian writing an excerpt about Jesus in 30 A.D. rather approximately 95 A.D. when Christianity had reached Rome.



Purposely avoided was Biblical evidence to support the existence of Jesus because that would be "using the Bible to prove the Bible." Instead we focused this study on extrabiblical sources. However, early Christian historians and witnesses were unanimous in their accounts that several New Testament books were written by eye witnesses of both Jesus and the apostolic ministry. If these authors were indeed eye witnesses, we can believe they also provide evidence to the historicity of Jesus.


reference
[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]
[link to www.forerunner.com]
[link to www.creatingfutures.net]
The Case for Christ
[link to www.leestrobel.com]


Even though Rome was persecuting and trying to exterminate Christianity in the first and second centuries none of the historians deny the existence of Jesus or Christianity!
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Why is our blood the same salinity as sea water?
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It is not. What are you talking about?

Sea water has 35g of salt per liter. Human blood has 9g of salt per liter.

Why did you say that?
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Helllllllloooooooo

You say Rome was just a story?

Then where did these things come from?
Architecture... our first Aqueducts
Art... all those nice sculptures and vases with paintings on them to see
Currency... there are still coins left
Authors... Plautus, Catullus, Tacitus, Persius
and how dare you forget philosophers like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.
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the funniest part about this thread will be the heated discussion that ensues.


It will only be heated by those with closed minds, as for me, I'm open minded, even willing to entertain that christ was real, even though I don't believe it to be true!!

The secret is to not carve your beliefs in stone!!

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth

like the hopi?


j/k


i asked you once a long time ago if you had any direct experiences with molech...after you posted some info on it.

you weren't real open to the idea then. would you be now?

i mean how far would you go to really know the truth?
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so why is it that i can find world history of the "Middle Ages" just about anywhere i look, seems to me that your the only one that thinks it doesn't exist, altho u put up a good argument, if in fact there was no known history of the time.. out of curiosity, have you never heard the poem of Beowulf? from 750AD?? Kinda legendary? no? ok then, wouldn't think u would consider that "real" either.....
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"OK , NOW TELL ME !! WHO THE F... BUILD THE MEXICAN 2000 YEARS OLD PYRAMIDS ?? "
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CORNELIUS TACITUS (55 - 120 A.D.) Tacitus was a 1st and 2nd century Roman historian who lived through the reigns of over half a dozen Roman emperors. Considered one of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Tacitus verifies the Biblical account of Jesus' execution at the hands of Pontius Pilate who governed Judea from 26-36 A.D. during the reign of Tiberius.


-Jesus did exist

-Jesus was the founder of Christianity

-Jesus was put to death by Pilate

-Christianity originated in Judea (With Jesus)

-Christianity later spread to Rome (Through the Apostles and Evangelists)

Because of his position as a professional historian and not as a commentator Tacitus referenced government records over Christian testimony. There is not a surviving copy of Tacitus' Annals that does not contain this passage. There is no verifiable evidence of tampering of any kind in this passage. It simply provides evidence of Jesus' existence (a topic not debated at this point in history) and not his divinity.
[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]
 Quoting: Dave 1168058

How could this Tacitus have existed?

He and Jesus existed in the fairytale of the Roman empire.

You could never prove either one existed without first proving that the Roman Empire existed.

Why would the accounts of Tacitus survive about a crucifiction of one man that the Romans themselves killed and yet documentations of the Volcano, ha ha, that destroyed Pompeii in 79 AD didn't? -- There are no Roman records, nothing officially written in Latin of the supposed destruction of Pompeii.

How does an empire forget about such an important city like Pompeii?

Where are the official documentation written in Latin by the Romans accounting this event?

Where are the paintings of Pompeii done by Roman artists?

Where are the engraving commemorative plaques raised in tribute?

Where are the poems, and short stories taught to the children at school about the destruction of such a great city and the songs that were sung during the calender holiday of this very sad event?

Why did the Italians forget those songs, and the calender date?
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There are songs written about 9-11

There are songs written about Katrina-Louisiana

Do you think New Yorkers will forget 9-11 in a thousand years?

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Jesus was the founder of Christianity

-Jesus was put to death by Pilate

-Christianity originated in Judea (With Jesus)................ I will give you that the name "Christianity" came from "Jesus" stories, but almost all the teachings and stories within "christianity" are pagan, you and ALOT of other ppl need to read some history before they try to argue anything about these corrupt religions,and thats not a shot at just christianity, i say that about ALL major religions, hebrew, islam, some of buddhist, most of this is crap and has been changed to meet the needs of those in charge, get out and read, and not the "history" on GLP either, cuz most of these arguments are based on some crap that isn't even true itself, but i will tell you this, crap or not, some of these people present their shit n a way that it smells like a T-bone n taters, n u ppl gobble it up, its quite amusing
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the funniest part about this thread will be the heated discussion that ensues.


It will only be heated by those with closed minds, as for me, I'm open minded, even willing to entertain that christ was real, even though I don't believe it to be true!!

The secret is to not carve your beliefs in stone!!

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

like the hopi?


j/k


i asked you once a long time ago if you had any direct experiences with molech...after you posted some info on it.

you weren't real open to the idea then. would you be now?

i mean how far would you go to really know the truth?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1167731


What I know is that both sides of the fence (more than likely one side playing both roles) don't want us humans to know shit, and that here on Earth, there is a price for real truth, and real truth should be shared freely with all having no negative consequences!!

To put it crudely, both sides can kiss my ass, now, having said that, there isn't much I wouldn't do to attain real truths besides crossing the line of my personal moral codes!!

So, just what are you suggesting?

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Interesting theory, but it's really just conjecture. In order to believe we came here in 1100, we'd have to believe all ancient Egyptian writings were faked, and that a vast amount of history was made up all or the sake of a supposed alien test. What could possibly be their motivation?
King Henry V was actually King Henry the first and the other 4 Henrys were made up? What about the people who were old in 1100 AD? The aliens caused them to believe they had lived their entire lives here?
As for the planets...It's dark in space because you only see light as it's reflected. Planets reflect light just as our moon does.
What of the far more ancient ruins found 40 feet underwater near the island of Okinawa? Put there by aliens to make us believe there was an earth age before this one?
What of the fossil record? Did aliens stage the cambrian explosion? These aliens sure went to alot of trouble to trick us all when the only payoff seems to be an experiment. Why would aliens so advanced really care how we would act? Maybe they did it because we're tasty and in 2012 they're planning a huge intergalactic BBQ!
This bucket has too many holes to carry the water of a viable theory.
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What I know is that both sides of the fence (more than likely one side playing both roles) don't want us humans to know shit, and that here on Earth, there is a price for real truth, and real truth should be shared freely with all having no negative consequences!!

To put it crudely, both sides can kiss my ass, now, having said that, there isn't much I wouldn't do to attain real truths besides crossing the line of my personal moral codes!!

So, just what are you suggesting?

___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth

well, i'm just curious about your evolution as a seeker.

while it's true there are many groups who hold secrets...and that knowledge in and of itself is not exactly common knowledge, the real info is gleaned through having experiences within the confines of the aforementioned groups.
you understand this......and so it comes down to: what do you want to know? what would you be willing to do for it? and most important, why do you really want to know it? ie. what would one do with such info? intention?

the whole crossing of the moral code issue is the crux.

in my experience only the truly divine in intent(we all got flaws) can swim to the depths of the darkness and be stripped of their moral codes only to resurface and clad themselves anew. ultimately it becomes necessary in some aspect for the seeker to do so. undercover work....i'd call it.

guess i'm not really suggesting anything....just always wanted to know more about your thoughts on that.
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Then why is 99%+ of our dna identical to Chimpanzees? Why do we have 5 fingers just like mice and alligators and dogs and cats? Why is our hair and fingernails the same exact material as all other animals? Why is our blood the same salinity as sea water?

We are of the earth, case closed. jerkit
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I hate to break this to you but dogs, cats and mice do not have five fingers, they have four. Alligators have five on the front and four on the back. Horses have one; camels, pigs and all ungulates have two...but you are correct that hair, fingernails and feathers are all made from 'keratin', a very versatile material, indeed.
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