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How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?

 
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How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?
Explosive used in bombs ´was of military origin´

By Jason Bennetto, Crime Correspondent
Published: 12 July 2005
The bombs used in Thursday´s terrorist attacks were of "military origin" , according to a senior French policeman sent to London to help in what has become the biggest criminal investigation in British history.

Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings were of " military origin", which he described as "very worrying". " We´re more used to cells making home-made explosives with chemicals," he said. "How did they get them? Either by trafficking, for example, in the Balkans, or they had someone on the inside who enabled them to get out of the military establishment."

He added that the victims´ wounds suggested that the explosives, which were " not heavy but powerful", had been placed on the ground, perhaps underneath seats.

Up to 400 extra police are being drafted in to help with the bombing inquiry. Many of the additional officers will be helping with analysis of thousands of hours of video recordings from cameras on and around the Tube lines and bus struck by the terrorists. Police have so far taken 2,500 videotapes and are expected to examine many more during the inquiry.

Senior detectives said that the analysis of images from surveillance cameras was the biggest CCTV trawl ever. Scotland Yard was renting extra video suites to view the tapes. Detectives are hoping that among the tens of thousands of hours of footage will be pictures of the terrorists.

As well as examining cameras on the three Tube trains hit in the blasts, police have been recovering every camera in the stations that the trains travelled through, and cameras outside the entrance of every station. The Tube bombs were on the southbound Piccadilly line and the Circle line, which means that there were 40 Underground stations where the bombers could have got on board.

As well as examining cameras on shops, banks, and other businesses, the police will also look at speed cameras. The camera on board the No 30 bus that was blown up in Tavistock Square is thought to have been faulty.

A police source said of the CCTV task: "It is a massive job that is very time-consuming; it sounds impossible - but it´s not." Between 200 and 400 extra officers from the Metropolitan Police are being deployed on the investigation. This comes on top of the 400 officers in the anti-terrorist branch and many of the 800 in the Met´s Special Branch.

The important role that CCTV can play in a criminal investigation was highlighted in the case of David Copeland, the "nail bomber" who staged attacks in Soho, Brixton and Brick Lane, east London. A team of police officers had 26,000 hours of surveillance footage from the dozens of cameras in Brixton, south London. They spent 24 hours a day scrutinising busy street scenes in their effort to spot the attacker.

The first sighting of the bomber was made from cameras filming the doorway of an Iceland food store. Copeland was identified by his boss and a cab driver after police released an image taken on the day he planted his first bomb in April 1999.

Forensic science specialists and anti-terrorist officers were continuing yesterday to examine the four crime scenes for traces of the bomb and a possible suicide bomber. This includes X-raying bodies to see if any bomb parts or timing devices, which could be vital clues, are embedded in them. It remains unclear if a terrorist died in the bus bomb, which went off an hour after the Tube explosions.

Detectives are checking all the victims from the bomb scene. An anti-terrorist source said they had recovered useful pieces of evidence, but were keeping an open mind as to whether a suicide bomber had been involved. Sir Ian Blair, commissioner of the Met, described the areas of investigation as "the biggest crime scenes in English history".

James Hart, commissioner of the City of London Police, added: "We can´t possibly assume that what happened on Thursday was the last of these events ...We have to be vigilant."

The bombs used in Thursday´s terrorist attacks were of "military origin" , according to a senior French policeman sent to London to help in what has become the biggest criminal investigation in British history.

Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings were of " military origin", which he described as "very worrying". " We´re more used to cells making home-made explosives with chemicals," he said. "How did they get them? Either by trafficking, for example, in the Balkans, or they had someone on the inside who enabled them to get out of the military establishment."

He added that the victims´ wounds suggested that the explosives, which were " not heavy but powerful", had been placed on the ground, perhaps underneath seats.

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[link to news.independent.co.uk]
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Re: How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?
There was at least one official report that the explosives came from China. Just like Fred said would happen.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Re: How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?
The explosives are of military origin. They have a substance know as a taggant incorporated into them. This taggant is unique and allows investigators to trace military explosives to the source country.
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Without taggants, there is no way of knowing where they came from...

Taggants have only been inserted for about a decade, and then only in countries where they have been mandated (most of the west and allies)...Most eastern-bloc countries (and China etc) have no taggants...Unsure about Russia, but I suspect that they have mandated them also...

"TAGGANT

A solid, liquid, or vapor emitting substance put into an explosive material for the purposes of detection or identification. Also known as a marker or tracer element."

If the stuff is homemade, it can have all the properties of ´Military Grade´ explosives, but without the taggants...

The only clues you have to go on then are the components of the bomb, materials in the explosive compound themselves, and the ratios of the materials...

There are simple to follow directions for high-explosives all over the net...
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Do you know how to read 808? They are admitting that they are Military explosives. I know that they know the source of the explosives because they found taggant in the residue. They are not revealing the source though. Why?

bushfing
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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They are reporting on it. The story is just a few hours old in the first place. The London Times has a story on it.
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Re: How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?
"The camera on board the No 30 bus that was blown up in Tavistock Square is thought to have been faulty."

this is most worrying??

anyone else thinking what I´m thinking?
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Re: How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?
16545, they have only reported that they believe they could be from the Balkans, but my sources, military I may add, say the explosives are Albanian. They even know the lot number and the time/day that they were made and who they were sold to.
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Another story with a Balkan source.
[link to www.newsmax.com]
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"Do you know how to read 808? They are admitting that they are Military explosives."

Apparently not...

Nowhere in that piece you cut and pasted does it say that they found a taggant or that they know what country the stuff came from...

So how, o-self-declared-wise-one, do you know that they found a taggant?...

Where as YOUR paste job states:

"Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings were of " military origin", which he described as "very worrying"."

It conveniently leaves out the entite quote:

""The nature of the explosives appears to be military, which is very worrying," said Superintendent Christophe Chaboud,"

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

Notice he says that the explosive "appears to be military"...

So unless YOU have something that states they have a taggant, then you are just dealing in speculation for your own agenda...
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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rolleyes
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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dont believe you, what proof do you have?

source in the military, well they must be pretty high up?

just because they are in the army doesn´t mean they know jack.

please explain more of your contact?
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Re: How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?
Albania is a Balkan country but where did you get Albania in the first place? Dozens of news stories refer to a Balkan source but not specifically Albania.
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British Scotland Yard has announcements in 45 min to start the cover up........
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Bomber died in London bus blast

The army has been helping the police with the operation
The London bus bomber died in the explosion, it has been revealed, as police make arrests in Yorkshire.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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Possibly OP belongs to the Sorcha Faal Club.
Take same news, forget some detail, liberally add others, ivent where necessary.
Until the cooked dish is just your flavour.
Truth is optional, of course.
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Re: How come the media is not reporting that the explosives used in the London bombs have been traced to Albania?
It just so happens that my source is a vetran of three wars, Gulf war one, the Balkans war, and Gulf war two. He knows his shit, and he also knows higher ups that he got the information from which he shared with me last night. He is very concerned that they are planning more bombings as the lot that the explosives belong to was very large and unaccounted for.
bushfing
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Of course, good man, of course ..
That´s quite usual on glp.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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The FBI also seized all the videotapes in Oklahoma City from the merchants along the street of the Murrah Building (source: Alex Jones´ 911 Descent into Tyranny). None of them were ever returned, nothing heard about them again...yes, it´s so convenient that the camera on the bus was ´faulty´.
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Nothing new here with debunkers floundering about. What constitutes proof to an ac anyway? Nothing short of beating them up side the head will prove to them that pain is real, so what the fuck. I don´t care if you believe me or not. Just for conversations sake, lets assume that what I am reporting here is true, what are the ramifications? Why not disclose the source? That is all I am asking here.
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ALL FOUR BOMBERS DIED

All four suspected bombers died during the London terror attacks, according to police sources.


Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said three bombers died in separate Tube attacks and one was killed in the No 30 bus blast.

Detectives believe all four were British citizens, Brunt said.
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"Nothing new here with debunkers floundering about."

Floundering about?

You may well be right about Albania...But so far you can not prove shit...All you have is that some drinking buddy ´told you so´...

Well gosh...

I´m convinced...

LMAO
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808, we were not drinking so why even bring that to the table? Because by inference, we were drunk at the time? Is that the best you have to offer?
Like I said, what are the ramifications to disclosing that Albania is the country of origin for the explosives? That is the question.
It can be taken as pure speculation on your part that Albania is the source country, it is not require for this dialog that you believe it. The question should be explored, even if you are in doubt at the moment of the fact that they are from that country.
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"Like I said, what are the ramifications to disclosing that Albania is the country of origin for the explosives? That is the question."

No...The question is, why do you insist it is Albania without any other evidence than ´someone told me so´???...

As I stated...You may be right...You may not...

Why do you think that there is some incredible conspiracy or that there is an ulterior motive to not annoucing that the explosives originated from ´Albania´???
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Lucky they didn´t have access to Xenon-based stuff. VERY DANGEROUS.
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Coz Iran is next not Albania.
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No...The question is, why do you insist it is Albania without any other evidence than ´someone told me so´???...

Because it is true, but you may know that already. You could be a spin controller for the government. What proof do offer that you are not? You seem to be very intent on shutting down any conversation involving the idea that Albania is the source of the bobm making material. Why is that?


As I stated...You may be right...You may not...

I do care if every bloody hell person on this forum thinks I am right. The discussion is still why would they not want to disclose the fact that Albania is the source country?

Why do you think that there is some incredible conspiracy or that there is an ulterior motive to not annoucing that the explosives originated from ´Albania´???

You are the one thinking it is a conspiracy. As far as I know they have a good reason not to disclose the information, I just have not thought of it yet.

bushfing
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"Because it is true, but you may know that already. You could be a spin controller for the government. What proof do offer that you are not? You seem to be very intent on shutting down any conversation involving the idea that Albania is the source of the bobm making material. Why is that?"

It is true because you say so?

"As far as I know they have a good reason not to disclose the information, I just have not thought of it yet."

You have not ´thought´ of it yet...

I rest my case...You are just making shit up...

Sad cuz you may have a point, but it is lost in your lunatic rambling...
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As for ´spin controler for the government´...You are not only making shit up...You are delusional and paranoid...

Self agrandizing to boot...
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Because of shit in the Balkans. Did you know that 5000 more British Troops are on their way there as we speak.

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