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The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.

 
Aloof Carnivore.
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The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
Fighting distraction is the heart of the matter. Your focus will be your reality.

Those without shame can see themselves with clarity.

Those that carry shame cannot face the sight of themselves. The third eye.
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
Are you talking about the nous?
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headlessch

who is ready for turkey!
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
Are you talking about the nous?
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Ah, I don't think so, if you mean nous as in common sense.

Not sure about 'the nous'. Do tell.
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Wow...the title of your thread is an amazing thought. It helps sum up why sometimes we want to go live in a natural peaceful place...othertimes, we need the distractions of the city. Somedays, I want one and other days, I want the other. I think nature is my heartfelt preference.
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
Are you talking about the nous?



Ah, I don't think so, if you mean nous as in common sense.

Not sure about 'the nous'. Do tell.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The human nous in Eastern Orthodox Christianity is the "eye of the heart or soul" or the "mind of the heart".[12][13][14][15] The soul of man, is created by God in His image, man's soul is intelligent and noetic. St Thalassios wrote that God created beings "with a capacity to receive the Spirit and to attain knowledge of Himself; He has brought into existence the senses and sensory perception to serve such beings". Eastern Orthodox Christians hold that God did this by creating mankind with intelligence and noetic faculties.[16] Angels have intelligence and nous, whereas men have reason both logos and dianoia, nous and sensory perception. This follows the idea that man is a microcosm and an expression of the whole creation or macrocosmos. The human nous was darkened after the Fall of Man (which was the result of the rebellion of reason against the nous),[17] but after the purification (healing or correction) of the nous (achieved through ascetic practices like hesychasm), the human nous (the "eye of the heart") will see God's uncreated Light (and feel God's uncreated love and beauty, at which point the nous will start the unceasing prayer of the heart) and become illuminated, allowing the person to become an orthodox theologian.[18][19][20]
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
Are you talking about the nous?



Ah, I don't think so, if you mean nous as in common sense.

Not sure about 'the nous'. Do tell.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The human nous in Eastern Orthodox Christianity is the "eye of the heart or soul" or the "mind of the heart".[12][13][14][15] The soul of man, is created by God in His image, man's soul is intelligent and noetic. St Thalassios wrote that God created beings "with a capacity to receive the Spirit and to attain knowledge of Himself; He has brought into existence the senses and sensory perception to serve such beings". Eastern Orthodox Christians hold that God did this by creating mankind with intelligence and noetic faculties.[16] Angels have intelligence and nous, whereas men have reason both logos and dianoia, nous and sensory perception. This follows the idea that man is a microcosm and an expression of the whole creation or macrocosmos. The human nous was darkened after the Fall of Man (which was the result of the rebellion of reason against the nous),[17] but after the purification (healing or correction) of the nous (achieved through ascetic practices like hesychasm), the human nous (the "eye of the heart") will see God's uncreated Light (and feel God's uncreated love and beauty, at which point the nous will start the unceasing prayer of the heart) and become illuminated, allowing the person to become an orthodox theologian.[18][19][20]
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Thanks, that's interesting.
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shame

# dishonor: bring shame or dishonor upon; "he dishonored his family by committing a serious crime"
# compel through a sense of shame; "She shamed him into making amends"
# a painful emotion resulting from an awareness of inadequacy or guilt
# cause to be ashamed
# a state of dishonor; "one mistake brought shame to all his family"; "suffered the ignominy of being sent to prison"
# surpass or beat by a wide margin
# pity: an unfortunate development; "it's a pity he couldn't do it"

pure

# free of extraneous elements of any kind; "pure air and water"; "pure gold"; "pure primary colors"; "the violin's pure and lovely song"; "pure tones"; "pure oxygen"
# arrant(a): without qualification; used informally as (often pejorative) intensifiers; "an arrant fool"; "a complete coward"; "a consummate fool"; "a double-dyed villain"; "gross negligence"; "a perfect idiot"; "pure folly"; "what a sodding mess"; "stark staring mad"; "a thoroughgoing villain ...
# saturated: (of color) being chromatically pure; not diluted with white or grey or black
# free from discordant qualities
# concerned with theory and data rather than practice; opposed to applied; "pure science"
# (used of persons or behaviors) having no faults; sinless; "I felt pure and sweet as a new baby"- Sylvia Plath; "pure as the driven snow"
# in a state of sexual virginity; "pure and vestal modesty"; "a spinster or virgin lady"; "men have decreed that their women must be pure and virginal"

to call a soul pure is to call a coca cola pure, or a piece of kentucky fried chicken breast pure, or to call a biscuit pure, or the mashed potatoes and thick, rich gravy that sits next to it pure.

A soul is not something that can be washed clean or bleached. Now, I agree, your metaphorical heart can be made metaphorically clean and shame-free, for a while.

But pure? A pure heart would be boring and lifeless and mistake-free.

We need mistakes and struggles and moments of shame, it makes life colorful. I don't want to live in a world where there are no colors or shades of grey. Dualities are an illusion of the young mind.
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
Are you talking about the nous?



Ah, I don't think so, if you mean nous as in common sense.

Not sure about 'the nous'. Do tell.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The human nous in Eastern Orthodox Christianity is the "eye of the heart or soul" or the "mind of the heart".[12][13][14][15] The soul of man, is created by God in His image, man's soul is intelligent and noetic. St Thalassios wrote that God created beings "with a capacity to receive the Spirit and to attain knowledge of Himself; He has brought into existence the senses and sensory perception to serve such beings". Eastern Orthodox Christians hold that God did this by creating mankind with intelligence and noetic faculties.[16] Angels have intelligence and nous, whereas men have reason both logos and dianoia, nous and sensory perception. This follows the idea that man is a microcosm and an expression of the whole creation or macrocosmos. The human nous was darkened after the Fall of Man (which was the result of the rebellion of reason against the nous),[17] but after the purification (healing or correction) of the nous (achieved through ascetic practices like hesychasm), the human nous (the "eye of the heart") will see God's uncreated Light (and feel God's uncreated love and beauty, at which point the nous will start the unceasing prayer of the heart) and become illuminated, allowing the person to become an orthodox theologian.[18][19][20]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1170703



Synchronously, I just learned this word yesterday - apparently it's often translated as 'heart' in the bible, but initially meant something far deeper and more profound.

Wonderfully spoken, and a lovely thread.

hf
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
I like you basic premise, but somewhat odd you chose a place where distraction is the raison de etre to post it.
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
I like you basic premise, but somewhat odd you chose a place where distraction is the raison de etre to post it.
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Ironic, no?

But maybe it is a message to someone as well.
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
to call a soul pure is to call a coca cola pure, or a piece of kentucky fried chicken breast pure, or to call a biscuit pure, or the mashed potatoes and thick, rich gravy that sits next to it pure.

A soul is not something that can be washed clean or bleached. Now, I agree, your metaphorical heart can be made metaphorically clean and shame-free, for a while.

But pure? A pure heart would be boring and lifeless and mistake-free.

We need mistakes and struggles and moments of shame, it makes life colorful. I don't want to live in a world where there are no colors or shades of grey. Dualities are an illusion of the young mind.
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You are right, pure isn't the best choice of words. Harmonious may have been more appropriate.

And thank you for your point about duality.

Shame and grace may be one such duality for young mind to ponder.

However, of late, I am more consumed with another duality: Cruelty and Kindness.

I have become more aware that cruelty serves a purpose (for young minds maybe), it is 'the stick' that hold together society, while kindness is the carrot. This may seem obvious to most, but to an outsider like myself, it is a revelation.
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As I have grown older, I have gone from measuring my self-worth by my material possessions- materialism, to measuring my self-worth by my actions- spiritualism.

Now that I find myself in a world that is based on choosing the lesser of 2 evils, I find myself measuring my self-worth by what I don't do.
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As I have grown older, I have gone from measuring my self-worth by my material possessions- materialism, to measuring my self-worth by my actions- spiritualism.

Now that I find myself in a world that is based on choosing the lesser of 2 evils, I find myself measuring my self-worth by what I don't do.
 Quoting: Soupornuts 1171125


I remember, I think it was Camus that said that a man should be judged by what he does not say.

I was always taken with that quote, but thus far, I haven't become 'that' kind of man.

I've become much stronger, but not yet silent.
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You are right, pure isn't the best choice of words. Harmonious may have been more appropriate.

And thank you for your point about duality.

Shame and grace may be one such duality for young mind to ponder.

However, of late, I am more consumed with another duality: Cruelty and Kindness.

I have become more aware that cruelty serves a purpose (for young minds maybe), it is 'the stick' that hold together society, while kindness is the carrot. This may seem obvious to most, but to an outsider like myself, it is a revelation.
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Please elaborate on this point, if you don't mind.
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Re: The shameful soul seeks distraction, the pure soul seeks solace within.
You are right, pure isn't the best choice of words. Harmonious may have been more appropriate.

And thank you for your point about duality.

Shame and grace may be one such duality for young mind to ponder.

However, of late, I am more consumed with another duality: Cruelty and Kindness.

I have become more aware that cruelty serves a purpose (for young minds maybe), it is 'the stick' that hold together society, while kindness is the carrot. This may seem obvious to most, but to an outsider like myself, it is a revelation.


Please elaborate on this point, if you don't mind.
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Hi, not sure I'm the best person to ask, just feeling around in the dark really. But as the other poster expressed, duality can be a real distraction. Peace of mind often comes when you transcend or bring opposites together.

This whole age may just be about duality. Good v Evil etc.
And the way to end it will be to bring an end to duality.

If you are asking specifically about the cruelty thing, well, it's just that previously I saw all cruelty as vile and immoral, but now I see that it serves a purpose. It is one way that individuals build trust in each other. All be it a crude way. It seems, to take, and give a little bit of cruelty is strangely reassuring to some people.

However, if you are so far out in the fringes of society, cruelty only seems to just push you out even further. But now I see that much of that cruelty wasn't personal, it was a clumsy, misguided attempt to reach out and bring me into the fold.



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Wonderfully spoken, and a lovely thread.

hf
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thanks for explaining, I'll think about.

hf

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