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Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire

 
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Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire
Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire
by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
Global Research, November 23, 2010
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Such comparations let the Nazi Terror appear better than it was.
TSA may be evil, but does not compare to Gestapo in any way.
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Don't forget the privatized sub-contracted security thugs like Wackenhut too!
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Don't forget the privatized sub-contracted security thugs like Wackenhut too!
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Wacken is vorbei du Spasti!!!
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Such comparations let the Nazi Terror appear better than it was.
TSA may be evil, but does not compare to Gestapo in any way.
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Give them time. Chertoff and his Department of Homeland Security will commit unspeakable crimes against US citizens before all is said and done. Why do you think they have built enough concentration camps to hold 5% of the US population?
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Such comparations let the Nazi Terror appear better than it was.
TSA may be evil, but does not compare to Gestapo in any way.
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Agreed, the Gestapo did it under threat of deth.

TSA is doing it for money.

TSA is far, far worse.
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Give them time. Chertoff and his Department of Homeland Security will commit unspeakable crimes against US citizens before all is said and done. Why do you think they have built enough concentration camps to hold 5% of the US population?
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I still never saw any proof of those concentration camps besides a fuckload of coffins.
So the TSA is now a FEMA agency? Don´t think so...

Touching someone´s junk is not as bad as killing someone because of his political oppinion.
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Give them time. Chertoff and his Department of Homeland Security will commit unspeakable crimes against US citizens before all is said and done. Why do you think they have built enough concentration camps to hold 5% of the US population?

I still never saw any proof of those concentration camps besides a fuckload of coffins.
So the TSA is now a FEMA agency? Don´t think so...

Touching someone´s junk is not as bad as killing someone because of his political oppinion.
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Jesse Ventura just did an episode proving that the camps exist. Bush gave a 450 million dollar contract to halliburton 6 years ago to build them. It was in the news at the time.
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Agreed, the Gestapo did it under threat of deth.
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Uh, no. You guys should read what the Gestapo was before doing stupid claims: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Agreed, the Gestapo did it under threat of deth.

Uh, no. You guys should read what the Gestapo was before doing stupid claims: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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And you should get sexually assaulted by the TSA before making up your mind.
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Jesse Ventura just did an episode proving that the camps exist. Bush gave a 450 million dollar contract to halliburton 6 years ago to build them. It was in the news at the time.
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Shouldn´t be too hard finding that proof on some different website. I don´t feel like listening to a show of some conspiracy nut. I want facts, with sources and all that stuff.
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And you should get sexually assaulted by the TSA before making up your mind.
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No way. Still not as bad as being killed.
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Jesse Ventura just did an episode proving that the camps exist. Bush gave a 450 million dollar contract to halliburton 6 years ago to build them. It was in the news at the time.

Shouldn´t be too hard finding that proof on some different website. I don´t feel like listening to a show of some conspiracy nut. I want facts, with sources and all that stuff.
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it's all out there if you know how to use google. By the way, Paul Craig Roberts, the author of this article, was the former editor of the Wall Street Journal and the former assistant secretary of the US treasury under Ronald Reagan. He is known as "the father of reaganomics". You can google that too.
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OK, found that, e.g. [link to news.newamericamedia.org]
Still, it won´t be the TSA arresting and putting you in one of those camps. That´s what the Gestapo did, besides killing political opposition.
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OK, found that, e.g. [link to news.newamericamedia.org]
Still, it won´t be the TSA arresting and putting you in one of those camps. That´s what the Gestapo did, besides killing political opposition.
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The TSA will be just one arm of the Gestapo (DHS). I think you fail to see the larger picture that this is all a ruse.

The same people who did 911 also created the DHS in preparation for the lockdown of America. The TSA isn't about looking for terrorists, it's about dehumanizing the population and softening them up for what is to come. Before they are done it's going to be a police state like no other ever seen in the history of the world.
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I hear you, and i´m totally for fighting fascism at it´s roots, before it appears (too late). But i don´t like Nazi comparations, since those are often used by Neo-Nazis here to relativize the Nazi crimes.

Call it fascist instead. That´s what it is, the Gestapo was fascist too, but also they killed lots of people. Fascism doesn´t have to mean that you´re killing people.

If you really believe the DHS is about killing people, fine, call the Gestapo, but i´ll not agree with that nor will i think that´s a ood comparation.

Let´s agree to disagree here. hf
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The ACLU has received over 900 complaints from travelers in the United States about the TSA's new pat-downs,


I was shaking and crying the entire time. I was begging them to hurry up but they kept stopping and telling me to calm down. It is impossible to gain composure when a stranger has her hands in your underwear. A crowd gathered and watched and I never felt so humiliated. After it was over, I ran into the ladies’ room where I vomited and cried until my plane was boarding.
- Melissa, Massachusetts

she should have puked on the TSA Gestapo goon.


I was with two strangers, one of whom now had both of her open palms moving slowly across virtually every part of my body. She barely moved them as she groped both of my breasts. And most disturbingly, her hands karate-chopped their way a full two inches up into my vagina through my slacks. She performed this maneuver not once, but twice: once from behind me, and then once again, standing/bending in front of me.
- Alex, Washington state



I will do everything in my power to drive rather than take any commercial flights if this is the new standard of TSA screening.
- Max, North Carolina


My daughter was forced to cancel her plans to join us for Thanksgiving because she did not want to subject her children to either the exposure to x-rays or the patdowns. We have cancelled our plans to fly north for Christmas and will drive instead.
- Janet, Florida


The TSA agent squeezes my thighs and runs his hand up until they touched my testicles on both of my legs. This was done in full view of everyone in line. This was very uncomfortable, humiliating and seemed very unnecessary. If given the choice, I will do everything in my power to drive rather than take any commercial flights if this is the new standard of TSA screening…. I do not feel safer. I feel violated….
- Max, North Carolina



When I asked the agent politely for her badge number, she said in a sharp, loud tone, “If you want to know my badge number you can talk to my supervisor!”
- Heather from New York



I have Type 1 Diabetes and wear a wireless insulin pump. TSA supervisors… informed me that since I have to wear a medical device, I will be subject to the enhanced pat-down every time I fly. It’s not okay with me to have a stranger grope my genitals once, much less 12-15 times per year. Please, please, please help those of us who are being given no choice in this matter.
- Laura Seay, Georgia



The pat down was so invasive that the woman doing it stuck her thumb through my jeans into my vagina, significantly more than simple resistance. She cupped each of my breasts, and ran her hand inside the waistband of my jeans…. I am upset, humilated, degraded and feel abused and criminal, when I am guilty of nothing.
- Janet from Maryland [no form]


I was visibly upset and when he started to fondle me inappropriately I yelled “I want to see your supervisor!” I asked (emphatically) if he was legally allowed to grab my genitals and the supervisor said he was. After fondling my genitals he groped my buttocks and told me to have a good flight.
- Allen, Nebraska


The TSA agent used her hands to feel under and between my breasts. She then rammed her hand up into my crotch until it jammed into my pubic bone…. I was touched in the pubic region in between my labia…. She then moved her hand across my pubic region and down the inner part of my upper thigh to the floor. She repeated this procedure on the other side. I was shocked and broke into tears.
- Mary in Texas

[link to www.aclu.org]

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Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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The ACLU has received over 900 complaints from travelers in the United States about the TSA's new pat-downs,
ETC///


[link to www.aclu.org]
 Quoting: Nailer45


Here are all 38 quotes on that page plus another story about what the TSA said to a man with a camera...

[link to www.aclu.org]

(These quotations have been lightly edited for clarity and length. Please be aware that due to the nature of these searches, these complaints often include graphic and sometimes disturbing language.)

1 I opted out and was sexually molested in public. The method used to search my body was on par with a sexual massage by a stranger of the same sex. My penis was touched by a man. My anus and groin were rubbed by a man. My scalp was rubbed by the same person. How can this be acceptable...? These TSA agents are not qualified to deal with the psychological or ethical responsibility of this technology.
- Joe in New Mexico

2 The pat down was so invasive that the woman doing it stuck her thumb through my jeans into my vagina, significantly more than simple resistance. She cupped each of my breasts, and ran her hand inside the waistband of my jeans.... I am upset, humilated, degraded and feel abused and criminal, when I am guilty of nothing.
- Janet from Maryland [no form]

3 I was visibly upset and when he started to fondle me inappropriately I yelled "I want to see your supervisor!" I asked (emphatically) if he was legally allowed to grab my genitals and the supervisor said he was. After fondling my genitals he groped my buttocks and told me to have a good flight.
- Allen, Nebraska

4 The TSA agent used her hands to feel under and between my breasts. She then rammed her hand up into my crotch until it jammed into my pubic bone.... I was touched in the pubic region in between my labia.... She then moved her hand across my pubic region and down the inner part of my upper thigh to the floor. She repeated this procedure on the other side. I was shocked and broke into tears.
- Mary in Texas

5 In and around breasts, both arms and legs, inside of legs, up to and including genitals (although I clenched the top of my thighs to limit the officer's groping. Legs a second time, but from the rear (where her hand ran up my bum crack). Entire inside waistband of pants, both from the front and rear. Lifted up my hair (already in a ponytail), inside collar of shirt.
- Sharon, Massachusetts

6 She ran her hands all the way up and into my crotch with force. To get graphic she could have felt if I had a feminine pad on. When she finished with the front she did the same with my back to the point that she, what I would call groped, my butt. She went under, in between, and on my breast. It was more intense than my monthly breast exam.
- Paula M. Hamilton, Corydon, Indiana

7 In the 4 times she explored the area where my inner thigh met my crotch, she touched my labia each time, and one pass made contact with my clitoris, through 2 layers of clothing. I told her I felt humiliated, assaulted and abused.... In my work as a nurse, if I did what the TSA did against a patient's will it would be considered assault and battery, and I did not see how the TSA should have different rules.
- Chris

8 TSA says he is going to run the back of his hands on my buttocks and the front of his hands on my groin area.... He feels my bare arms and upper body including my balding scalp. ...
- Randy Spencer

9 This is the most humiliating experience of my entire life. Having another male on his knees in front or behind me and feeling my private areas. And in full view of other passengers. It is a disgusting sight. I now can not sleep due to the thoughts of these agents on their knees feeling my private areas.... I have never, ever been so humiliated and will never, ever fly as long as this policy is in effect.
- Ron Wilson, California

10 I have a history of having been raped. I was subjected to what I have since learned is a new TSA "enhanced pat down".... I cried throughout the groping and have had intrusive thoughts since. It was humiliating. I felt powerless. It brought up emotion I could not explain.
- Woman in her 40s

11 I was shaking and crying the entire time. I was begging them to hurry up but they kept stopping and telling me to calm down. It is impossible to gain composure when a stranger has her hands in your underwear. A crowd gathered and watched and I never felt so humiliated. After it was over, I ran into the ladies' room where I vomited and cried until my plane was boarding.
- Melissa, Massachusetts

12 I felt molested and sexually harrassed by their search.
- Gweneth from California

13 I would not hesitate to say that I felt sexually assaulted by the agent.
- Vince from Kansas

14 This was, by far, the second most humiliating, and personally violating event in my life - the first being a date-rape in college.
- M., Connecticut

15 The entire affair was very punitive, and humiliating and time consuming and emotionally distressing. When I retrieved my things, I walked into the women's restroom and wept.
- Rosemary, Virginia

16 While in the "private room"... the agent inappropriately touched my genitalia (more than once) and made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. The agent also pulled down my shorts (about halfway), and I had to ask the agent to let me pull them back up. I was inappropriately touched, groped, rubbed, massaged and sexually harrassed. The procedure was violating, degrading, invasive and humiliating.
- Scott in New Mexico

17 Simply, I was sexually assaulted. My breasts were caressed in an almost amorous manner. And on the second canvassing of my groin, single-finger pressure was applied to my labia majora - the plane of which was near-broken, during which the agent made a wildly off-color remark.
- B. from Maryland

18 In all of these years and the thousands of flights and millions of airlines miles I have never been so humiliated. If my choice is to risk having my genitalia spread all over the internet and my body exposed to unknown radiation or to have my testicles bounced and my buttocks stroked I will not fly any commercial airline.... our humanity and our dignity are being violated. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!
- Dennie from Texas

19 I am concerned about the exposure and I am equally concerned that someone saw my precious daughter as if she were naked. I was then put through as well and was humiliated and felt as though I were in a peep show. Before this trip, I honestly felt the scanners were a good idea and a price to be paid for travelling - after living it first hand, I have to say it is flat out WRONG.
- Celeste in Florida

20 The TSA agent did not give me the option of going through the screening machine. She put her hand forcefully in between my legs and took it all the way up into my genital area. She then pressed on my breasts just like a doctor would during a breast exam. She then lifted my dress and put her hands inside of my leggings around my waist.... It was so rough that I felt the effects of it throughout the day.
- Dina Pember, Kennesaw, Georgia

21 3 or 4 TSA employees came over, basically surrounded me and very loudly proclaimed what a jerk I was for refusing the scan, were laughing at me, repeatedly berating me. The "supervisor" then spent 15 minutes examining every part of my body - it was intrusive, humiliating and without a shadow of a doubt, intended to punish me for electing to not be irradiated.
- Aaron from New York

22 I was wearing a sanitary napkin, so the agent notified her supervisor that I had a "foreign object." It took about 10 minutes for her to walk 70 feet, speak with the supervisor, and return. Then she collected my carry-ons and began swabbing items in each of them. This process took a verrrrrry long time.... It was obvious to me that this was punitive for refusing the body scanner.... Finally I was told to remove my sanitary napkin. By the time I got to the gate the jetway had been removed and I was not able to board.
- Suzy in California

23 Going through the body scanner I said, "I want you to know I do not like this machine. " the TSA agent asked me if I would like to opt out. I said "no, I don't want you to touch me like that, I think it's worse," to which she snickered and replied, "well there's a good chance we're gonna do that anyway." When I went through, she said I did need a pat down, and then she said she need to check my butt and rear crotch.... It was demeaning and indecent....
- Tiffany from Nevada

24 4 other male and female TSA agents watched while she ran her hands up and down my body, starting with my hair and then going all over, including my breasts and vaginal area.
- A physician, Michigan

25 My genitals were touched no less than 4 times with the index finger as the screener's hand was slid up my leg until it could go no more into my crotch.
- Marlene, California

26 This new procedure was absolutely humiliating. She touched my limbs, my torso, my breasts, and rubbed my vagina with her fingers three separate times. I might have understood one rub. Three rubs was NOT acceptable. My pants were thin cotton.... As soon as I left the security area, I began to cry. My husband and I had spent one of the best weeks of our lives together for our honeymoon, and it was destroyed on the way home.
- Tiff, North Carolina

27 The female TSA agent did not advise me of an alternative and after she directed me through the scanner she conducted the "pat-down" WITHOUT my permission or WITHOUT warning that she would be making direct and forceful contact with my genitals FOUR times! I felt sexually violated and yet afraid to protest for fear that I would be put on some kind of no-fly list or miss my flight.
- Kim, Hawaii

28 This was a very different and, I maintain, a deliberately abusive experience.... the agent not only felt the inside of my upper thighs but also probed my vagina three separate times. I made it to the end of the search, but then broke down...I cannot and will not allow this to happen to me again.... I continue to have nightmares about this experience.
- Charlotte in California, female, 68

29 I was with two strangers, one of whom now had both of her open palms moving slowly across virtually every part of my body. She barely moved them as she groped both of my breasts. And most disturbingly, her hands karate-chopped their way a full two inches up into my vagina through my slacks. She performed this maneuver not once, but twice: once from behind me, and then once again, standing/bending in front of me.
- Alex, Washington state

30 I will do everything in my power to drive rather than take any commercial flights if this is the new standard of TSA screening.
- Max, North Carolina

31 My daughter was forced to cancel her plans to join us for Thanksgiving because she did not want to subject her children to either the exposure to x-rays or the patdowns. We have cancelled our plans to fly north for Christmas and will drive instead.
- Janet, Florida

32 The TSA agent squeezes my thighs and runs his hand up until they touched my testicles on both of my legs. This was done in full view of everyone in line. This was very uncomfortable, humiliating and seemed very unnecessary. If given the choice, I will do everything in my power to drive rather than take any commercial flights if this is the new standard of TSA screening.... I do not feel safer. I feel violated....
- Max, North Carolina

33 When I asked the agent politely for her badge number, she said in a sharp, loud tone, "If you want to know my badge number you can talk to my supervisor!"
- Heather from New York

34 I have Type 1 Diabetes and wear a wireless insulin pump. TSA supervisors... informed me that since I have to wear a medical device, I will be subject to the enhanced pat-down every time I fly. It's not okay with me to have a stranger grope my genitals once, much less 12-15 times per year. Please, please, please help those of us who are being given no choice in this matter.
- Laura Seay, Georgia

35 I didn't set off any alarms, apparently I was searched because I was wearing a 'loose fitting shirt'. My T-Shirt was not tucked in.
- Anonymous

36 I walked through the xray machine... with flying colors. And out of the blue a women said I had to get a pat down.
- Heather from Illinois

37 I was the only female in a crowd of men. Even though I was not next in line, I was called over to the body scanner. As I got closer to the scanner, I could clearly hear him say "got a cute one, some DD's." ... I was appalled and decided at that point to "opt out" of the scanner.... I was then put through the pat down procedure which I only can only describe as sexual assault.
- Caitlin, Connecticut

38 Security policies can be effective without needlessly infringing civil liberties. The ACLU is working to ensure that security policies are sensible, effective, and constitutional.




[link to blogs.forbes.com]

Snipit:

Security research, Graham, was told he could not take photos of TSA, was detained 30 minutes and was forced to destroy a photo. TSA rules state that the TSA must allow photography and cannot destroy photos.

TSA Screener quoted as saying: Not all parts of the government are accountable to the public, especially the TSA.


TSA handbook

2.7. PHOTOGRAPHING, VIDEOTAPING, AND FILMING SCREENING LOCATIONS
A. TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers, or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming screening locations unless the activity interferes with a TSO’s ability to perform his or her duties or prevents the orderly flow of individuals through the screening location. Requests by commercial entities to photograph an airport screening location must be forwarded to TSA’s Office of Strategic Communications and Public Affairs. Photographing EDS or ETD monitor screens or emitted images is not permitted.
B. TSA must not confiscate or destroy the photographic equipment or film of any person photographing the screening location.

This is nothing but absolute tyranny, and of the worst kind, may I add.
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Everyone especially women should scream while being groped and scream that you feel as though they are being raped and beg someone to call the police....every time. But comply so as not to trigger their default (TSA) position that you did not comply.

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