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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
Chaol (OP)

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Hello

I've been reading this (and the other) thread with a lot of interest... what you're saying about a tetravalent logic system makes a lot of sense to me, since I'm very interested (for some years now) in logic systems that aren't aristotelic (I mean the dual-value logic that most of us use).
Other things you said reminded me what Korzibsky wrote, about 80 years ago: "the map is not the territory", meaning, of course, that we shouldn't take a symbol, like a word, for the "real" thing it symbolizes. Amazingly, that's what most people do in their thought process. He also said, of course, that this, and also the fact that any (known) human language is incapable of describing "reality" in an accurate manner are the (main) reasons why our though process is, well, crippled.

Any way, I'm just writing in hope you could answer a question I have regarding the Genius before you leave. Does the new symbol we create has to have it's "meaning" revealed to other people, or is this not important at all when other people interact with it?

Please excuse me for unintentional errors, since English is not my mother tongue.

Thanks!
 Quoting: Jose Carlos


Hi.

Yes, we know of anything through its representation, no matter what system we're using. (There really is no difference.)

The new symbol you create only has to have meaning to you. It does not need to be revealed to any one else. People can interact with it without knowing the meaning. (They, in fact, do because they're your perspective.)

Hope this helps.
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Chaol,
Thanks for your time here (he mentions leaving till 2012 on his other thread).

[snips]


Thanks. I am still here but on holiday for a short while.

I will only leave once all questions have been answered.

Then, I will be here in short bursts of time while I make other preparations.

Kind regards,

K-all
 Quoting: Chaol


K-all, how did your flag change from Canada to Japan?????? Are you traveling? If so did you take United Airlines or the spaceship thingy? Or did you just wake into japan.

Need answers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1202565


I was on holiday for a few weeks. I took an airline :)

Nothing beats the experience. I could also save on hotel fees, but the idea of traveling is the experience itself. (Like life, I suppose.)

Transitioning from one place to another would be a bit easier than just waking up in Japan. It's not like in the movies. There is some adjustment period involved. If you time-traveled to 1820, for example, for the first couple of days you would probably wonder why there is a McDonald's next to the O.K. Corral ;)
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glad to see ur back. I knew you would come around again.

any word on the EC ap?
 Quoting: Ossiel


Mostly done. Just making a couple of changes.

They're a-coming! :)

Already working on version 2 of the game.
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Humanity without physicality? yup is called death
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Maybe.

But humanity can also be defined as, "Psychological characteristics that all normal humans have in common".

I would extend this to include the state of being human, which increasingly includes non-physical things.

Moreso, the future is probably very different from what we now know.

There was a time when even the clothes you are now wearing were "impossible". There are many more "impossibilities" in our future, even the end of human natural death.

I'm sure the fetus thinks it will die if it leaves the womb. But, for it, a new kind of physicality is at hand (and foot, and mouth...) An expanded version of itself in which it can see the things it only heard of before through the walls of the womb, as in a dream.

Thankfully, things change and life goes on without our old ideas of what we should be.

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 Quoting: Chaol


Hi.

Yes, it's like looking at a beautiful chair that belongs to you and then seeing a grossly overweight, oiled up, naked old man sit in it.

The chair is different because you have a new perspective of it.

Yuck! Thanks for that visual! I am now making an effort to un-see it!

You're experiencing your perception when you open your eyes and when you close your eyes, but the difference is that it's a new perspective.

Open your eyes and turn off the lights. Also a new perspective.

It's not a limit on how far you can see, you're just then placing more importance on some aspects over others. Maybe wondering why the colors are different or why you appear to see more but not noticing the deeper inter-relationships or other things, equally important.


Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation. I would like to add that I prefer the "inside" perspective. It seems that I can do more with it; it is more flexible for what I want to perceive and experience. The "outside" seems too solid and static. It takes too long for it to "move" or to change into what I want.
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OP, haven't read all posts, so maybe my question has already been answered:
Does the imminently expected vibratory shift entail us humans and other bioforms essentially becoming immortal, like living in a kind of resurrected etheric body, capable of travelling in many dimensions, or do we essentially die physically and live on in the adaptable astral realms ?
And can we still progress spiritually if we so choose and elevate our Self awareness to higher vibratory realms ?
Thanks.
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Hi everybody. I was looking at the website(ecsys.org) and reading the Notes. Did I get it right that Chaol was talking against Atheism but supporting religions somehow?

Thanks for your feedback
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Sorry. I don't know why my message was posted 2 times...

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Hi everybody. I was looking at the website(ecsys.org) and reading the Notes. Did I get it right that Chaol was talking against Atheism but supporting religions somehow?

Thanks for your feedback
 Quoting: TheQuestioner



Hi Questioner,

I am not chaol but i have been following this since the start and i have read every post and both versions of the web site many, many times and i can say you did not get it right!!!

As for your multitude of questions you posted on the other thread, does it really matter to us here what ever the social structure is over their.

This thread has been going for over a year and i see lots of people asking the same questions that were asked 12 months ago, i know it is a long read but to be fair to our host even if you believe or not to go and read all the posts before posting.

My username is actually just vegatech but i had to create a new username to get logged back in.

Thanks
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Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation. I would like to add that I prefer the "inside" perspective. It seems that I can do more with it; it is more flexible for what I want to perceive and experience. The "outside" seems too solid and static. It takes too long for it to "move" or to change into what I want.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244053


More geysers! The thought experiment regarding the slow and fast soccer players explains my comment wonderfully. I get it!
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Hi everybody. I was looking at the website(ecsys.org) and reading the Notes. Did I get it right that Chaol was talking against Atheism but supporting religions somehow?

Thanks for your feedback
 Quoting: TheQuestioner


I think that Chaol's information is beyond the perspective that involves religion or atheism. Those are non-issues in this study.

Here is something that I've considered: Chaol says that his world and this world diverged just before the Industrial Revolution. Supposedly, that would mean that we share the same history up to that point of divergence. In that case, Chaol's history would include the heavy influences of religion and religious beliefs, just like ours. His world would have experienced ancient myths, paganism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, the Roman empire's official religion (The Holy Roman Catholic Church), the Crusades, and all of the other episodes pre-dating the Industrial Revolution. This makes me think that Chaol's world must still contain traces of the old belief systems, although his world may very well have learned to deal with fanaticism and has developed past all of that. He has already hinted that the people in his world who "believe" and those who do not believe leave each other alone; that they understand "perspective" and simply accept others as having a different viewpoint.
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Hi everybody. I was looking at the website(ecsys.org) and reading the Notes. Did I get it right that Chaol was talking against Atheism but supporting religions somehow?

Thanks for your feedback
 Quoting: TheQuestioner


btw, can you quote what you were reading in the Notes that led to your question?
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I've read some of this thread and perhaps not enough to be making statements about personal perspective. That's as much of an apology as I'll offer though. I'm not religious, as in I don't uphold any god or religion as my personal truth. I do however have my own perspective of what existence can be within a physical human body. I actually hold many personal perspectives as I've lived within another physical reality that wasn't this and was entirely more fun. All of my hackles are standing on end where the OP is concerned. In other realities you're the type I'd ignore for as long as possible. Your prescription for reality construction is very unemotional and the exact opposite of what I know about changing my physical world. Use and promotion of symbolism to promote human transition acts as my warning system. "Danger! Danger Will Robinson!" I haven't read all this thread nor your website, but have you yet spoken about how human emotion raises inner vibration and frequencies and connects with all of nature? Have you experienced that for yourself? If so, how was that? It's like this, I already know about that change that can happen for humans still in a physical body. I understand the great power and self-sufficiency it offers and when all of environment is in sync how that works to become the Golden Age for humans and all that surrounds them in the physical. I know how damn good it is and I know that there's very little to nothing in this current reality that advises humans to expect this next natural evolving of humanity. Whoa, oh boy, won't the controllers love humans when that change happens? And is so damn obvious I no longer live in that golden reality, but in 1997 I lived it fully for 3 months and I'll never forget it within my existence. I was stopped then by bumping into minds that sound exactly like yours OP. Exactly what are you trying to sell me this time around?
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Hi everybody. I was looking at the website(ecsys.org) and reading the Notes. Did I get it right that Chaol was talking against Atheism but supporting religions somehow?

Thanks for your feedback
 Quoting: TheQuestioner


Thanks to Vegatech2 User ID: 1254388, Anonymous Coward User ID: 1253406 and Anonymous Coward User ID: 1253406 to reply to address my question directly.

Dear Vegatech2 User ID: 1254388, I forgot to say that I am new to this. I know there is a lot to read and I'm doing my best to catch up but I don't see any problem with asking questions even if they seem to be stupid. To me no questions is stupid and it's better to question everything. Anyways, in such a case some people just ignore my question and some take their valuabel time to give me a feedback which is very appreciated. To me, your approach and insight is different from Anonymous Coward User ID: 1253406. They see more history of faith in the past of Chaol's world.

Another thing, I'd like to know about their world's social structure cuz I'm into Social Studies of any world and I believe everywhere there are some "beings" there is a social structure and I'm interested in learning about it. Have you read the book of Dr. Michael Newton about souls' lives after death? They have a social structure in their world too.

Anonymous Coward User ID: 1253406 asked me about quote from the website. Please understand that I'm also trying to understand Chaol's message as he talks about a new perspective. There is no other purpose for me.

If you go to Notes section, under" Logic in Science and Religion" they say:
"Science and religion are both useful and serve purposes, and are both part of systems of logic that only seem to provide the ultimate answers we're looking for."
"Most religions care little for science, and most sciences care litle for perception.
The difference between most sciences and most religions is that only science would fail its own test."

It seems to me that in overall they question Atheism and Science more than religion.

"Atheism and Choice

Of some interest at this time is how like traditional religions atheism is becoming in the West. To atheists we ask a few hypothetical questions:

If you had a child would you tell the child what to believe, or let the child figure it out for him or herself?

Would you allow the child to choose their own personal belief, or tell them what to believe?

If you would tell them what to believe, how is that any different than other parents enforcing their belief on their children and thus continuing the same cycle that you presume to dislike?..."

This is a long story. I personally agree with the Science part. Our science is inefficient and primitive. It takes eons to make progress through it but I'm not with religions either. They keep us very limited. I guess what I appreciate is a spirituality which may be called "The Science of Consciousness" or something like that!

Thankshf

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hi chaol,could the genius be used to heal a very sick friend?if so how would i go about it thanks
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"In the alternate Earth where I am from"

and again..

"There is no physicality"
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ok time traveler, warp speeder, distance flyer or whatever you really are,ive got a question for you.

if this is true [which i strongly dispute]then why got to the trouble of entering humanity neuronicly to come and give us a posting such as this, couldnt you have lead it into something worthy of your trouble like free energy, cure for cancer, levitation or something really useful to our inept secular society?

or are you just like the rest of these so called beings from the other side of spiritual Hierarchy and bring us nothing but old idealism and value that we already know existed within our lives just like neuronics within the human body.

perhaps you could show us the ways and means of how to become a pure energy source free from any harbouring and hindering vesels we call our bodys with out being dead?

show me some proof you exist, big boy, come down the teleportation cable we call a phone line and we can discuss this firther in my living room and ill even put the kettle on for ya lol
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And while you're at it, demand every universal being in existence to immediately land at your doorstep.
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Yuck! Thanks for that visual! I am now making an effort to un-see it!

Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation. I would like to add that I prefer the "inside" perspective. It seems that I can do more with it; it is more flexible for what I want to perceive and experience. The "outside" seems too solid and static. It takes too long for it to "move" or to change into what I want.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244053


Once you see it, you cannot unsee it!

The inside is the same as the outside. It's just the the more far away from your perspective it seems, the less relative it is to your perspective.
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An exercise...

As you are in motion, imagine yourself being still and sensing your experience (especially vision) looking through your eyes from a stationary position.

Try it while being a passenger in a car, looking out of the window.

When you appear to be moving through space, it is an illusion. There is no movement and no space. What you're experiencing is a kind of 'change' in perspective. You're always experiencing the most important perspective you can experience. (Importance is an what would be most valuable for you at the time.)
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OP, haven't read all posts, so maybe my question has already been answered:
Does the imminently expected vibratory shift entail us humans and other bioforms essentially becoming immortal, like living in a kind of resurrected etheric body, capable of travelling in many dimensions, or do we essentially die physically and live on in the adaptable astral realms ?
And can we still progress spiritually if we so choose and elevate our Self awareness to higher vibratory realms ?
Thanks.
 Quoting: Why Not ? 1595


There's no vibratory shift that I know about, so I guess I cannot answer your question properly.

As illustrated previously, there is only 1 dimension.

Death is a perspective. "You" is what you call aspects of perspective. At each moment part of you is what you'd call physically dead. There is only 'physical' from the physical perspective. In this sense, everything would be physical including what you call the spiritual.
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Hi everybody. I was looking at the website(ecsys.org) and reading the Notes. Did I get it right that Chaol was talking against Atheism but supporting religions somehow?

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 Quoting: TheQuestioner


Hi.

No, I wasn't.

I was suggesting that atheism is doing pretty much the same thing as what it purports to be against, and advancing a more inclusive definition of what "religion" is.
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Hi everybody. I was looking at the website(ecsys.org) and reading the Notes. Did I get it right that Chaol was talking against Atheism but supporting religions somehow?

Thanks for your feedback
 Quoting: TheQuestioner


I think that Chaol's information is beyond the perspective that involves religion or atheism. Those are non-issues in this study.

Here is something that I've considered: Chaol says that his world and this world diverged just before the Industrial Revolution. Supposedly, that would mean that we share the same history up to that point of divergence. In that case, Chaol's history would include the heavy influences of religion and religious beliefs, just like ours. His world would have experienced ancient myths, paganism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, the Roman empire's official religion (The Holy Roman Catholic Church), the Crusades, and all of the other episodes pre-dating the Industrial Revolution. This makes me think that Chaol's world must still contain traces of the old belief systems, although his world may very well have learned to deal with fanaticism and has developed past all of that. He has already hinted that the people in his world who "believe" and those who do not believe leave each other alone; that they understand "perspective" and simply accept others as having a different viewpoint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1253406


Yes, that's correct.

And we basically "leave each other alone" because we (usually) realize there is no correct perspective.

This probably comes about through a small percentage of us experiencing other perspectives more easily. So I guess more religiously-peaceful conditions in your world are not far off.
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I've read some of this thread and perhaps not enough to be making statements about personal perspective. That's as much of an apology as I'll offer though. I'm not religious, as in I don't uphold any god or religion as my personal truth. I do however have my own perspective of what existence can be within a physical human body. I actually hold many personal perspectives as I've lived within another physical reality that wasn't this and was entirely more fun. All of my hackles are standing on end where the OP is concerned. In other realities you're the type I'd ignore for as long as possible. Your prescription for reality construction is very unemotional and the exact opposite of what I know about changing my physical world. Use and promotion of symbolism to promote human transition acts as my warning system. "Danger! Danger Will Robinson!" I haven't read all this thread nor your website, but have you yet spoken about how human emotion raises inner vibration and frequencies and connects with all of nature? Have you experienced that for yourself? If so, how was that? It's like this, I already know about that change that can happen for humans still in a physical body. I understand the great power and self-sufficiency it offers and when all of environment is in sync how that works to become the Golden Age for humans and all that surrounds them in the physical. I know how damn good it is and I know that there's very little to nothing in this current reality that advises humans to expect this next natural evolving of humanity. Whoa, oh boy, won't the controllers love humans when that change happens? And is so damn obvious I no longer live in that golden reality, but in 1997 I lived it fully for 3 months and I'll never forget it within my existence. I was stopped then by bumping into minds that sound exactly like yours OP. Exactly what are you trying to sell me this time around?
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Cookies. I'm trying to sell you cookies.
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hi chaol,could the genius be used to heal a very sick friend?if so how would i go about it thanks
 Quoting: pom 1236426


Hi.

You can do this through symbol.

For example, 2 days ago my key fob had a broken third button. (My housekeeper took the wrong set of keys so I could not automatically open my garage.)

In my mind, I simply created a map of what I think it should look like.

It doesn't matter that the map was accurate. What matters is that I mapped everything that I know about the fob to a symbol. In my mind, the layout was broken. I then "fixed it" in my mind by changing the connections.

The 'healing' of which you speak can be done in a similar manner.

However, it may be that your friend is sick in your perspective and all immediate perspectives. Which means, basically,

My first question would be, "How relative is this friend to your experience?" because the more relative they are the more difficult it may be to 'heal' them. It takes more 'energy' to change to a different perspective where your friend is healthy if your friend is deeply-integrated into your perspective.

Hope this helps.
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And while you're at it, demand every universal being in existence to immediately land at your doorstep.
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With pizza in hand? Just for universal yuks, can I demand each to bring a pizza with different toppings on either side?
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Yuck! Thanks for that visual! I am now making an effort to un-see it!
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Once you see it, you cannot unsee it!
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What I CAN do, however, is stick pink bows on his head, dress him in a frothy pink tu-tu, and give him a Santa-Claus personality. See there? He's laughing! Ho Ho Ho.
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This makes me think that Chaol's world must still contain traces of the old belief systems, although his world may very well have learned to deal with fanaticism and has developed past all of that. He has already hinted that the people in his world who "believe" and those who do not believe leave each other alone; that they understand "perspective" and simply accept others as having a different viewpoint.
 Quoting: TheQuestioner


Yes, that's correct.

And we basically "leave each other alone" because we (usually) realize there is no correct perspective.

This probably comes about through a small percentage of us experiencing other perspectives more easily. So I guess more religiously-peaceful conditions in your world are not far off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1253406


Hi Chaol,

Once or twice I have mentioned Harry Palmer's work on this thread. He has developed a series of courses under the label 'Avatar'. Sounds as if his stated goal is similar to what has been realised in your world:

Harry Palmer:

“The mission of Avatar® in the world is to catalyze the integration of belief systems. When we perceive that the only difference between us is our beliefs and that beliefs can be created or discreated with ease, the right and wrong game will wind down, a co-create game will unfold, and world peace will ensue.”

Your 'Teachings' appear to me to be very much aligned with his. I wondered if you had come across them before. More info here: [link to www.avatarepc.com]

Have a great Valentine's Trip cool2
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I've read some of this thread and perhaps not enough to be making statements about personal perspective. That's as much of an apology as I'll offer though. I'm not religious, as in I don't uphold any god or religion as my personal truth. I do however have my own perspective of what existence can be within a physical human body. I actually hold many personal perspectives as I've lived within another physical reality that wasn't this and was entirely more fun. All of my hackles are standing on end where the OP is concerned. In other realities you're the type I'd ignore for as long as possible. Your prescription for reality construction is very unemotional and the exact opposite of what I know about changing my physical world. Use and promotion of symbolism to promote human transition acts as my warning system. "Danger! Danger Will Robinson!" I haven't read all this thread nor your website, but have you yet spoken about how human emotion raises inner vibration and frequencies and connects with all of nature? Have you experienced that for yourself? If so, how was that? It's like this, I already know about that change that can happen for humans still in a physical body. I understand the great power and self-sufficiency it offers and when all of environment is in sync how that works to become the Golden Age for humans and all that surrounds them in the physical. I know how damn good it is and I know that there's very little to nothing in this current reality that advises humans to expect this next natural evolving of humanity. Whoa, oh boy, won't the controllers love humans when that change happens? And is so damn obvious I no longer live in that golden reality, but in 1997 I lived it fully for 3 months and I'll never forget it within my existence. I was stopped then by bumping into minds that sound exactly like yours OP. Exactly what are you trying to sell me this time around?
 Quoting: soulsurvivor


Cookies. I'm trying to sell you cookies.
 Quoting: Chaol


But what if we wanted delicious cake instead? :)

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whatever happened to Choal?
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Don't know. Website stil up
[link to ecsys.org]
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Don't know. Website stil up
[link to ecsys.org]

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