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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
Chaol (OP)

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In the alternate Earth where I am from, we use something called neuronics.

You're from Canada, for fuck's sake, not Mars.
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Interesting that most lurkers seem to pay more attention to where a poster is from than what they're actually saying.

I'm from the US, not Canada.

But still, how much does that say?
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I tried a few times to make sense of EC but I guess gave up rather quickly due to its intricacy. Def gotta give you guys credit for trying to make sense of this and getting others involved. You've motivated me to try again, hopefully I'll have some positive input to add to this soon.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1450186


The Genius is much easier to start with, but I'm sure some people think that it wouldn't work because it's too simple.

For Ec, just start with 1 word (make up your own word that represents something for which you do not currently have a word) and use it for 3 weeks. If you see no effect, then abandon it and call me crazy :)
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I tried a few times to make sense of EC but I guess gave up rather quickly due to its intricacy. Def gotta give you guys credit for trying to make sense of this and getting others involved. You've motivated me to try again, hopefully I'll have some positive input to add to this soon.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1450186


Please do Major. I don't think it is as intricate as it seems, well, it is only in your perspective for now. Before you become familiar with Ec you can still assist us with agreed definitions, the reasoning we provide when selecting an icon and, I am beginning to see, the words we select to translate.

I am wondering if people think we could create a functional language without the use of common words relating to gender, such as he, she, his or hers?

[link to www.duboislc.org]

Here is a list of the 1st 100 most commonly used words.

I noticed that the word 'he' came in at #11 and 'she' not until #46. I wonder what impact this would have on our current perspective and if our new language might be able to function just as effectively without their use, drawing less attention to perceived gender differences. Or am I shooting in the dark here? (These are just an example of words we may choose not to translate).

Major, your opinion and all others welcome on this subject.
 Quoting: curve


Compared to standard English "QWERTY" keyboards, Ec key pads are much easier to use.

If someone built one as a USB device and connected it to a basic software program, it would seem much easier.

On a piece of paper, I think it looks difficult because it's so foreign.

And although Ec has 66 icons, they're quite logical to one-another and could be easier to memorize than the 26 'random' (though with ancient roots) English alphabetic characters.
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[snips]

I noticed that the word 'he' came in at #11 and 'she' not until #46. I wonder what impact this would have on our current perspective and if our new language might be able to function just as effectively without their use, drawing less attention to perceived gender differences. Or am I shooting in the dark here? (These are just an example of words we may choose not to translate).

Major, your opinion and all others welcome on this subject.
 Quoting: curve


It makes a big difference.

If there was no distinction between "he" and "she", you can bet than the differences in treatment between the sexes would be very different.

As a rule of thumb, if it has a word it has experiences related to it.

Shared words would generally equate to shared experiences.

If you want to experience something more often, invent multiple words for the nuances of the experience.

If you want to experience something less often, then take it out of your vocabulary.

Generally speaking.
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I tried a few times to make sense of EC but I guess gave up rather quickly due to its intricacy. Def gotta give you guys credit for trying to make sense of this and getting others involved. You've motivated me to try again, hopefully I'll have some positive input to add to this soon.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1450186


Please do Major. I don't think it is as intricate as it seems, well, it is only in your perspective for now. Before you become familiar with Ec you can still assist us with agreed definitions, the reasoning we provide when selecting an icon and, I am beginning to see, the words we select to translate.

I am wondering if people think we could create a functional language without the use of common words relating to gender, such as he, she, his or hers?

[link to www.duboislc.org]

Here is a list of the 1st 100 most commonly used words.

I noticed that the word 'he' came in at #11 and 'she' not until #46. I wonder what impact this would have on our current perspective and if our new language might be able to function just as effectively without their use, drawing less attention to perceived gender differences. Or am I shooting in the dark here? (These are just an example of words we may choose not to translate).

Major, your opinion and all others welcome on this subject.
 Quoting: curve


I wonder if we have to? [link to ecsys.org]

+S S cAt:
strong symbol input, neutral symbol output. So, I imagined it could actually apply to a "cat" from my perspective. I have a pet cat, it is a symbol for a lesser form of perspective (as I see it).

+S-S AmericA:
strong symbol input, weak symbol output. I see this as a further removed version of cat (symbol for lesser perspective). It is the perspective of a "larger" organism, a country, business, corporation, family, etc... that level or further removed like a world government would be or religion.

+S+I bOOk:
strong symbol input, high interaction output. I see this as an important symbol that allows for high interaction. Reference material at any level.. this forum, video, song story, catalog, memories, thoughts... a collection of relationships.

works with Curve's:'me' (+S+I) 'oo' (as in book)

I am the ultimate symbol, naturally nothing is 'closer' to me than me, I interact with nothing and no other, more than I do with myself, I am conscious(I).

+S I tOO:
strong symbol input, neutral interaction output. I see this as "along with."

also applies to Curve's:'you' (+SI) 'oo' (as in too)

I thought this might work because 'you' are highly symbolic (of) someone other than myself, whom you interact/associate with to varying degrees, you also have consciousness(I). I like this but there are also other possibilities.

+S-I gO:
strong symbol input, weak interaction output. I can imagine this could be something (a symbol) in your current focus that you are working to interact less with. Like "go" means get away from me, or start doing something with your own means, a catalyst etc.

+S+P rEAd:
strong symbol input, strong possibility output. I see this as noticing the meaning in and kinda like seeing the possibility of.

+S P Bed:
strong symbol input, neutral possibility output. This is something (a symbol) that allows for only so many options, like an environment (a space to be safe etc)... unless you make beds, then well... that's obvious.

+S-P Milk:
strong symbol input, weak possibility output. Something you consume, a strong symbol, it's something very relative and it provides "energy." A car's "M" would be it's fuel.

+S+L Time:
strong symbol input, high logic output. Ecprime, Phi or phi, Pi etc. (from perspective, indivisible)

+S L THink:
strong symbol input, neutral logic output. A method of creation at any level.

+S-L THe:
strong symbol input, weak logic output. A reference to a relationship to another relationship. Pointing (out)at something to bring it into tOO's perspective. This includes your future self. (if you are still subject to something like time)

S-S mEn:
neutral symbol input, weak symbol output. an identity or archetype.

S+I Go:
neutral symbol input, high interaction output. The catalyst to (inspire?) another catalyst.

S I sIt:
neutral symbol input, neutral interaction output. like verbs (more or less)

S-I bUt:
neutral symbol input, low interaction output. but... yea that works, like a lesser form of tOO, so something like: an addition, with additional changes to it or the original.

S+P Yes:
neutral symbol input, high possibility output. An affirmative, or an agreement.

S P nOt:
neutral symbol input, neutral possibility output. a divide

S-P Window:
neutral symbol input, low possibility output. a divide you can perceive through?

S+L Read:
neutral symbol input, high logic output. like a skill?

S L Very:
neutral symbol input, neutral logic output. possibly like an adverb, a symbol used to reference the "quality" of verb?

S-L Five:
neutral symbol input, low logic output. a symbol used to describe a simple skill like counting?

-S+I Kilo:
low symbol input, high interaction output. Like an attribute of mass?

-S I Do:
low symbol input, neutral interaction output. A symbol defining a command.

-S-I Pig:
low symbol input, low interaction output. A symbol used to define normal things that are not interacted with very often (as a reminder this is all based on perspective). This may be different to a pig farmer... but the farmer may choose to agree with me.

-S+P No:
low symbol input, high possibility output. Disagreement

-S P Hello:
neutral symbol input, neutral possibility output. Greeting

-S-P Live:
low symbol input, low possibility output. A symbol like exist, you have to have it, so it's normally relative and it restricts your possibility?

-S+L caSual:
low symbol input, high logic output. Casual, formal, rules for interaction?

-S L Zoo:
low symbol input, neutral logic output. A standard rule for allowing the coexistence of perspectives?

-S-L Six:
low symbol input, low logic output. a simple skill that is less relative than a "Five"

Ok, lol there is the first 30, 36 to go... spent a lot of time on this, going to go spend time with my wife (queen of my tOO). :)
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Looks good.

However, some in the list may function more effectively not as symbols but other elements. "Window" and "Bed" could also be 'Possibility' for example.
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Looks good.

However, some in the list may function more effectively not as symbols but other elements. "Window" and "Bed" could also be 'Possibility' for example.
 Quoting: Chaol


I think I know what you mean, it's just that I was making an attempt at using your words as an anchor to recall the definition and sound of the neuronicon. I am not saying that window and bed can only be defined by those neuroicons, i am simply noting that they apply to them.

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hi chaol, i have a question regarding the three values (high, neutral and low). apologies if you have explained this already and i missed it.

can (or should) we use the values according to how relevant something is to our perspective?

as an example, i'd perhaps use
+S for ME
S for YOU
-S for HIM/HER
as input and the output (S/I/P/L) according to what happens.

explanation:
ME is high symbol because it relates directly/highly to myself
YOU (another me, in my current perspective) is neutral symbol because it relates to myself but not as directly/highly
HIM/HER (another me, but somewhat removed from my current perspective) is low symbol because is relates to me indirectly

example: "(I) SEE YOU TOMORROW!"
+SS IP L-L

"I" would be high symbol and "you" neutral symbol as described above.
"see" would be a neutral interaction (it's relative to my perspective but not highly relative insofar as it doesn't influence me very much) resulting in a neutral possibility (it is not defined what the possibility is and so it is relative to me but not (yet) highly relative).
"tomorrow" is neutral logic (less relevant than for example "now" and more relevant than, say, "next year", hence neutral. also, it's more vague than for example "tomorrow 8 am" which would be high logic) resulting in low logic (the only option left. no particular "logic" is defined in the sentence, hence it's low logic)
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
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Ive noticed some symmetry between ec and the tarot.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
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I can't wait til you get some followers

You could really give L Ron Hubbard a run for his money with this bit
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
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Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
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I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


So far, just awareness. My symbol is my perspective, my possibility is endless, my interaction is with everyone I come into contact with, my logic is language. Sounds crazy but it's working.
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I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


So far, just awareness. My symbol is my perspective, my possibility is endless, my interaction is with everyone I come into contact with, my logic is language. Sounds crazy but it's working.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Idk what to say. Not sure if its too broad or if its actually perfect, but if it's working than it must be ok. Definitely keep us posted with that.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
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Might I suggest you make your symbol a little more portable, that way there is more opportunity for interaction outside of your workplace, and thus greater effectiveness.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
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'If you want to experience something more often, invent multiple words for the nuances of the experience.

If you want to experience something less often, then take it out of your vocabulary.' Chaol.

'(For Input) "What is the element before we interact with the 'car'?"
(For Output) "what is the element after we interact with the 'car'?"' Chaol page 13, paraphrased.

Perhaps a few more icons would be helpful, a more accurate representation of your perceptions regarding your new car. Perseptions are feelings if that helps, as well as possibility, energy and space. But having said that, this is your word, and if one icon adequately describes the nuances of your relationship to your new car then leave it as is.

When mapping a concept there are really only 3 things to think about:

'1) What is the element before and after I interact with it?
2) If not mapped fully in my perspective, then repeat step 1
3) How is it written and how do I pronounce it?' Chaol page 13.


Above are a few pointers from the thread that might help, let me know if it does. I can only share the limited understanding that I have, but happy to try and nut this out with you if these suggestions don't shed any light it for you.

I am sure that Chaol will pitch in if I am 'off' in these suggestions.
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Mutant, you have done an immense amount of work. I will be back to contribute as soon as I can.
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Looks good.

However, some in the list may function more effectively not as symbols but other elements. "Window" and "Bed" could also be 'Possibility' for example.
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I think I know what you mean, it's just that I was making an attempt at using your words as an anchor to recall the definition and sound of the neuronicon. I am not saying that window and bed can only be defined by those neuroicons, i am simply noting that they apply to them.
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I see. That's a good mnemonic, then.

Part of the beauty of mapping is realizing anything can be applied to any element.

So you may discover some new symbols (or perspectives) that you didn't know were possible before.

When 'keyboard' as an interaction is already mapped to you perspective, then it can be more likely for you to experience 'keyboard' as a possibility.

When these icons combine (i.e., you interact with the mapping) then perspective is formed.
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hi chaol, i have a question regarding the three values (high, neutral and low). apologies if you have explained this already and i missed it.

can (or should) we use the values according to how relevant something is to our perspective?

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Yes, or the value that it has to your current perspective.

as an example, i'd perhaps use
+S for ME
S for YOU
-S for HIM/HER
as input and the output (S/I/P/L) according to what happens.

explanation:
ME is high symbol because it relates directly/highly to myself
YOU (another me, in my current perspective) is neutral symbol because it relates to myself but not as directly/highly
HIM/HER (another me, but somewhat removed from my current perspective) is low symbol because is relates to me indirectly

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You could, of course. There's no right or wrong, per se. There's only that which may become less convenient in the future or not as effective as you'd like.

But by then you probably would have changed it already.

This 'inaccuracy' actually helps the process, because you're seeing what something is not to you, or where it is not on the map which will further define where you want it to be.

example: "(I) SEE YOU TOMORROW!"
+SS IP L-L

"I" would be high symbol and "you" neutral symbol as described above.
"see" would be a neutral interaction (it's relative to my perspective but not highly relative insofar as it doesn't influence me very much) resulting in a neutral possibility (it is not defined what the possibility is and so it is relative to me but not (yet) highly relative).
"tomorrow" is neutral logic (less relevant than for example "now" and more relevant than, say, "next year", hence neutral. also, it's more vague than for example "tomorrow 8 am" which would be high logic) resulting in low logic (the only option left. no particular "logic" is defined in the sentence, hence it's low logic)
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What is your input and output for this first group (+SS)? Would 'I' be the input and 'you' be the output?
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Use the Genius if you want to 'change' your perceptions: [link to ecsys.org]

(You could save Ec for when you've mastered the Genius. Some people choose the opposite way but I guess whatever interests them most...)
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Ive noticed some symmetry between ec and the tarot.
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Interesting. Can you explain it?
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I can't wait til you get some followers

You could really give L Ron Hubbard a run for his money with this bit
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Obvious to some, perhaps, I am working against having 'followers'.

(And what so mysterious or confusing would have a mass of people following it if didn't come in hour-long episodes?)

By the time neuronics or Ecsys becomes popular I'll be long gone. And that's pretty much the point (e.g., message not messenger, as I've explained on my first thread).
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


The car isn't really the physical car but everything relative to the car.

You could say that the car you drive is the result of all these other interactions taking place.

That's why we create random physical symbols that are not obvious to you. Because the car is not blocking you from having a car. Something else is making having that car less relative to your experience.

We use the Genius to help figure out what it is, creating a map from "not having the car" to "having the car".
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
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Do you 'subconsciously' associate having the car you want with your job?
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Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
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There are many ways to influence this.

Because the map isn't just about that specific location. It is also about what is around that location.

For example, where would you go if you had that car? Do you think you would use the valet parking at a particular restaurant, or go cruising along the coast? Would you wash your car by hand more often?

Interact with these other elements to make them more relative to your experience.

In the above example, do not wait until you have the car to do the things you would do if you had the car. Make it relative to your experience now. Wash your old car now as you would your new car.

It is kind of like you want to go to a party but cannot receive a direct invitation from the hosts. You must, instead, get the invitation from their neighbors.

If the car is a location on your map you need to 'get invited' by the other experiences near that location.

You 'get invited' by having those experiences now. That will make it more likely that you will find yourself in the location that you desire.

The Genius is simply about drawing a logical map from one perspective to an other perspective. Your mind needs to see how it can get from one location to an other. The Genius makes it obvious, and helps you to realize the experience. (In more advanced uses, it 'creates' the experiences on-the-fly, kind of like a holodeck.)
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I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Allow it to interact more. And perhaps be creative with creating the symbol for your desires. Creating an exact model is ok, but not very effective. Because it is not the car that is keeping you from experiencing it.

By the way, I bought a new Bentley in my favorite color (with cash) using the Genius.

And I found someone to drive it for me using an other Genius model.

As I've mentioned before it works for any kind of perspective, not just certain physical perspectives.
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I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


So far, just awareness. My symbol is my perspective, my possibility is endless, my interaction is with everyone I come into contact with, my logic is language. Sounds crazy but it's working.
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Seems less physically-oriented so it may not have the results you want in your physical experience.

But it's good it is working for you.

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