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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
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Curve, Mutant and/or Chaol can you guys take a look at my attempt above and tell me if I'm on the right track?
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I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
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Might I suggest you make your symbol a little more portable, that way there is more opportunity for interaction outside of your workplace, and thus greater effectiveness.
 Quoting: curve


Exactly.

If the symbol is restricted to work, then they may be limiting where the experience will come from.

Meaning, it may take years if waiting for a promotion and salary hike to be able to afford the car (restricting interaction of symbol to work).

Or three months if starting a new business or any other type of situation whereby they would have it (not restricting it).

If the experience is about 'owning' the car, then take out concepts like 'being able to afford it', 'having the down payment', 'getting a great job', etc. Those concepts aren't relevant to your intention.
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I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
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what i'd do in your case is to start "smaller". in my understanding it takes more energy to get something the further away it is from your current perspective. that's probably not a problem if you KNOW that the genius works and trust in it 100% because you made it work countless times in the "past" (like chaol, for instance). but if you just start using it you should start smaller and go step by step and after you're confident that the genius works for you and you trust in it then you can go for the stuff that takes more energy to get. imo you unconsciously block the genius because you're not sure that with a $50.000/year salary you'll be able to afford such a car. i believe you have to be sure and totally confident in order for it to work.

i've done pretty much the same for about 10 years (or maybe all my life, who knows) but more or less unconsciously. first i've turned my hobby into my job, then increased my income to the point where i could afford the car i wanted and a nice house (which still doesn't belong to me completely but i'm confident that it will, eventually. not taking into account what's going to happen with all of our "perception" soon). basically, i've gone step by step and worked for it. that's what most people do who continuously reach the goals they set for themselves, only with knowledge of the genius and how it works it becomes infinitely easier.
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example: "(I) SEE YOU TOMORROW!"
+SS IP L-L

"I" would be high symbol and "you" neutral symbol as described above.
"see" would be a neutral interaction (it's relative to my perspective but not highly relative insofar as it doesn't influence me very much) resulting in a neutral possibility (it is not defined what the possibility is and so it is relative to me but not (yet) highly relative).
"tomorrow" is neutral logic (less relevant than for example "now" and more relevant than, say, "next year", hence neutral. also, it's more vague than for example "tomorrow 8 am" which would be high logic) resulting in low logic (the only option left. no particular "logic" is defined in the sentence, hence it's low logic)
 Quoting: AWinterShadow


What is your input and output for this first group (+SS)? Would 'I' be the input and 'you' be the output?
 Quoting: Chaol


yep, "I" would be the input because it's me who does the "seeing" and "you" would be the output because what/whom i see is the "result" of my input. is this ok or did i misunderstand anything?
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By the way, I bought a new Bentley in my favorite color (with cash) using the Genius.

And I found someone to drive it for me using an other Genius model.

As I've mentioned before it works for any kind of perspective, not just certain physical perspectives.
 Quoting: Chaol


you know, i think it's pretty cool that although you can do and get pretty much everything you want you still take the time to teach us and help us understand ecsys. thank you dasbier
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I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


So far, just awareness. My symbol is my perspective, my possibility is endless, my interaction is with everyone I come into contact with, my logic is language. Sounds crazy but it's working.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Seems less physically-oriented so it may not have the results you want in your physical experience.

But it's good it is working for you.
 Quoting: Chaol


I see where you're coming from Chaol, I really don't have anything else I want (or I am using that as an excuse). Plus, this answer was an easy response to Major's difficult question. I believe we all follow this model for anything we want by default. It works, but it's not profound like the uses you recommend for the genius. I would love to better understand the genius, I suppose I still have not bridged the concept gaps to understand it. I should say I still doubt, I look forward to not doubting.

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Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Use the Genius if you want to 'change' your perceptions: [link to ecsys.org]

(You could save Ec for when you've mastered the Genius. Some people choose the opposite way but I guess whatever interests them most...)
 Quoting: Chaol


Yea I'll go back to the Genius. I was studying Ec last night and have a much better understanding now, but nowhere near a complete understanding. I disregarded the whole input output part before. But it seems I didn't fully understand the Genius like I thought I had either, or at least not for what I want.
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I believe I would say that if my goal is to get a car, I would first choose THE car I want, learn as much about it as possible. Talk to people about it, ask people you know wih it if you can drive it. Give the genius. A go First.

To be honest, I have no idea how to help you with this. From my experience I have not been able to do what you are doing. If I were to make an attemp at assisting you I would work to show you it is probably not a car you want... but the associated feelings and new found possibility with having a car.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


There are many ways to influence this.

Because the map isn't just about that specific location. It is also about what is around that location.

For example, where would you go if you had that car? Do you think you would use the valet parking at a particular restaurant, or go cruising along the coast? Would you wash your car by hand more often?

Interact with these other elements to make them more relative to your experience.

In the above example, do not wait until you have the car to do the things you would do if you had the car. Make it relative to your experience now. Wash your old car now as you would your new car.

It is kind of like you want to go to a party but cannot receive a direct invitation from the hosts. You must, instead, get the invitation from their neighbors.

If the car is a location on your map you need to 'get invited' by the other experiences near that location.

You 'get invited' by having those experiences now. That will make it more likely that you will find yourself in the location that you desire.

The Genius is simply about drawing a logical map from one perspective to an other perspective. Your mind needs to see how it can get from one location to an other. The Genius makes it obvious, and helps you to realize the experience. (In more advanced uses, it 'creates' the experiences on-the-fly, kind of like a holodeck.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Ok, yes that def makes a lot of sense. Will apply this to my new Genius model. Also do you think I'm aiming too high for my 1st use of the Genius?
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Looks like this thread is more active than the other Chaol thread. So I'm reposting my questions from a few days ago over here:

(as a side, the words "person" and "community" in my questions can be replaced with "perspective")

Unu: What is it about people using Ec or "genius" that makes you happy? (re: "glad to help" "you're welcome" and smiley faces)

Two: It seems to me that Ec is a relatively young technology. We have a history of subscribing to new technologies that make life more convenient but which also end up creating destructive imbalances in life. Are you concerned that Ec may fit into this paradigm? (If not, I'd love a thorough explanation).

Sun: In a community that uses Ecsys, what role does myth and ritual play?

Fourtet: In a community that uses Ecsys, what role do universal archetypes play?

Cinco: What role does an artist play in an Ecsys community? (is the artist's role diminished by the fact that the masses have a stronger link to their subconscious?)

66: Do you believe that Ecsys brings people closer to the pleroma? [link to en.wikipedia.org]

777: Can principles of Ecsys be applied to musical composition?

8: Can the (novice) use of Ecsys lead to death of the user or someone else (unintentional or otherwise)?


From my understanding, using "genius" is similar to a technique in learning how to draw. This technique is to take an image, turn it upside down and cover with another piece of paper. You move the paper down a little bit and attempt to draw the exposed portion of the picture. You repeat this in increments.
This technique helps you to focus on negative space and relations between contours.
While I appreciate the discipline that this teaches, I feel that this technique alone, while it might produce very impressive works of art, can't be expected to create works that resonate with spirit (forgive the abstraction).

Nine: How can Ecsys make my "separateness" more bearable?
Or, how can thinking/using Ecsys be used for spiritual growth?

From ecsys.org: "The Future Is entirely up to you. Your past/present/future is whatever you imagine it to be."

Ultima: Does the above claim suppose that there are not daimons/powers/others who have more influence over my past/present/future than I do?


Enjoy!

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Breadsticks:
"Ultima: Does the above claim suppose that there are not daimons/powers/others who have more influence over my past/present/future than I do?"


This is the only question you pose that I believe I can personally answer with confidence. You have all the influence. It is you.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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I am using the Genius as well for this. I constructed a pyramid out of post-its at my job. Its here on my desk at work in plain site so everyone can see it. Its on top of a picture of the car I want that I drew, which is basically the base of the pyramid. I add a line around the four sides of the pyramid every day I'm at work as my rule. I considered also why and if its really the car that I want or the lifestyle associated with owning this car. A Mercedes Benz CLS 55 AMG. But nonetheless I'm using the Genius and trying to apply Ec to the best of my ability for my intent of me owning this car being my new perspective. I assume my lifestyle would have to change completely in the event of this taking place even without my intent being any further than owning this car.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


I look forward to your results. TRUST that you're right. If you must doubt, doubt you're wrong. I believe you're doing exactly what you can(have to)
To get this car. It needs space to exist (I believe) have you gone to dealers and test driven it? Perhaps read reviews online? Notice how it could fit? Can it?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Allow it to interact more. And perhaps be creative with creating the symbol for your desires. Creating an exact model is ok, but not very effective. Because it is not the car that is keeping you from experiencing it.

By the way, I bought a new Bentley in my favorite color (with cash) using the Genius.

And I found someone to drive it for me using an other Genius model.

As I've mentioned before it works for any kind of perspective, not just certain physical perspectives.
 Quoting: Chaol


For a point of reference, can you give us the method you used to bring the Bentley into your perspective.
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Breadsticks:
"Ultima: Does the above claim suppose that there are not daimons/powers/others who have more influence over my past/present/future than I do?"


This is the only question you pose that I believe I can personally answer with confidence. You have all the influence. It is you.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Hmmm. If I have all the influence, where did the seed of my consciousness come from? And how was that seed planted? By what force?

Also, I feel that, by trying to be all, I lead myself to become nothing. I recognize all and nothing but don't define myself as either.

The verb "to be" is like an equals sign. Its very useful but it lies.

The weight of being everything seems unbearable (and lonely for that matter).
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The weight of being everything seems unbearable (and lonely for that matter).
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i think that's why we have limited our perspective. it was boring to be everything, know everything. you still are, you just don't know it right now and so many people aim to become something they already are even though they didn't want to be that way anymore in the first place.

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The weight of being everything seems unbearable (and lonely for that matter).
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i think that's why we have limited our perspective. it was boring to be everything, know everything. you still are, you just don't know it right now and so many people aim to become something they already are even though they didn't want to be that way anymore in the first place.
 Quoting: AWinterShadow


Yup, I know what you mean by boring, others might not.

Boring in this sense would be from the perspective of someone who can experience "boredom"

If you are all that is, was and will ever be, you cannot experience, grow, hurt, feel etc... once you fully remember your true self, the one you already are but have forgotten, you will be everything and nothing. That is, until you choose to forget again(used very loosely in this context, since technically there is no "again").
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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The weight of being everything seems unbearable (and lonely for that matter).
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i think that's why we have limited our perspective. it was boring to be everything, know everything. you still are, you just don't know it right now and so many people aim to become something they already are even though they didn't want to be that way anymore in the first place.
 Quoting: AWinterShadow


I've always thought about things in this context. An analogy might be that we were originally white light but then fragmented into different colors.

However, no matter how singular or transcendent our perspective may be, it is still nothing more than perspective. We can use the word "everything" and "all" but those are only ideas and they begin to abstract as soon as we think or say them. What about reality that is beyond our perspective (language, sense organs, etc)?

Obviously, it is fruitless to think about it... its beyond unthinkable. But at the same time, it makes me hesitant to say that I am all. I can say that I am my perspective, and that I cannot perceive beyond my psyche, but to say that I am "all" or any other word, it might be useful in a poetic sense, but otherwise its just a one-sided absolutism. As soon as I say "I am all" I am limiting myself to my conception of "all" haha. I find it to be a funny paradox.
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The weight of being everything seems unbearable (and lonely for that matter).
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i think that's why we have limited our perspective. it was boring to be everything, know everything. you still are, you just don't know it right now and so many people aim to become something they already are even though they didn't want to be that way anymore in the first place.
 Quoting: AWinterShadow


I've always thought about things in this context. An analogy might be that we were originally white light but then fragmented into different colors.

However, no matter how singular or transcendent our perspective may be, it is still nothing more than perspective. We can use the word "everything" and "all" but those are only ideas and they begin to abstract as soon as we think or say them. What about reality that is beyond our perspective (language, sense organs, etc)?

Obviously, it is fruitless to think about it... its beyond unthinkable. But at the same time, it makes me hesitant to say that I am all. I can say that I am my perspective, and that I cannot perceive beyond my psyche, but to say that I am "all" or any other word, it might be useful in a poetic sense, but otherwise its just a one-sided absolutism. As soon as I say "I am all" I am limiting myself to my conception of "all" haha. I find it to be a funny paradox.
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Well said.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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The weight of being everything seems unbearable (and lonely for that matter).
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i think that's why we have limited our perspective. it was boring to be everything, know everything. you still are, you just don't know it right now and so many people aim to become something they already are even though they didn't want to be that way anymore in the first place.
 Quoting: AWinterShadow


I've always thought about things in this context. An analogy might be that we were originally white light but then fragmented into different colors.

However, no matter how singular or transcendent our perspective may be, it is still nothing more than perspective. We can use the word "everything" and "all" but those are only ideas and they begin to abstract as soon as we think or say them. What about reality that is beyond our perspective (language, sense organs, etc)?

Obviously, it is fruitless to think about it... its beyond unthinkable. But at the same time, it makes me hesitant to say that I am all. I can say that I am my perspective, and that I cannot perceive beyond my psyche, but to say that I am "all" or any other word, it might be useful in a poetic sense, but otherwise its just a one-sided absolutism. As soon as I say "I am all" I am limiting myself to my conception of "all" haha. I find it to be a funny paradox.
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I may never see all that you see and you won't see all the things I've seen/ experienced, but to each of us that is all there is. I wouldn't use the words "limiting yourself" because all that exists to you can never be anything outside of your perception. That is all lol
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Also, how can there be reality beyond your perspective. Theres no guarantee that anything anyones ever talked about that you haven't witnessed or experienced yourself even exists. Like you said, theres no way of describing whats outside of your perspective.. its impossible, because it just doesn't exist. These words on the screen may be all that exist right now to you, because your focused on them and you perspective has filtered out even some of the very things within your field of vision, even your own body. Until I spoke of them, they weren't there. Searching for anything outside of yourself imo is literally searching for "nothing".
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Also, how can there be reality beyond your perspective. Theres no guarantee that anything anyones ever talked about that you haven't witnessed or experienced yourself even exists. Like you said, theres no way of describing whats outside of your perspective.. its impossible, because it just doesn't exist. These words on the screen may be all that exist right now to you, because your focused on them and you perspective has filtered out even some of the very things within your field of vision, even your own body. Until I spoke of them, they weren't there. Searching for anything outside of yourself imo is literally searching for "nothing".
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Exactly.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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I may never see all that you see and you won't see all the things I've seen/ experienced, but to each of us that is all there is. I wouldn't use the words "limiting yourself" because all that exists to you can never be anything outside of your perception. That is all lol
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Firstly, I certainly understand that my perspective is different than yours. I find it to be a very beautiful and mysterious observation. To me that magic is felt more strongly when you look into someone's eyes. When my own perspective gets a flash of the potentialities of other perspectives.
Stare at a computer screen too much and you might forget about that magic.

If "all that I see" is not the same as "all that you see", then it stands to reason that "all i see" is not "all there is". I mean i think we're both saying the same thing but with different emphasis haha.

So, yeah, I get it, me = perception = all = whatever.
Got it. 1 equals 1. 3 equals 8. Great.
Now where am I? What am I doing? Why am I at this website? To expand my own perspective?
If all that exists if what I perceive to exist, how do we begin to talk about the seeds of potentiality for new perceptions? Where do those seeds come from?

Also, how can there be reality beyond your perspective. Theres no guarantee that anything anyones ever talked about that you haven't witnessed or experienced yourself even exists. Like you said, theres no way of describing whats outside of your perspective.. its impossible, because it just doesn't exist. These words on the screen may be all that exist right now to you, because your focused on them and you perspective has filtered out even some of the very things within your field of vision, even your own body. Until I spoke of them, they weren't there. Searching for anything outside of yourself imo is literally searching for "nothing".
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I agree that its useless to search outside of yourself.
I'm just acknowledging the paradoxical nature and duality of existence.

I would assume most of us are at this thread because we sense or believe some kind of change will occur and Chaol is making claims for a kind of "bridge" that will "help" us adapt to this change.
What I would like to know is how one would re-conceptualize what has been called "The Great Mystery" or "unknown". Traditionally, it has been recognized as power or force.
If I'm to believe that I have "all the power" then what shape does the "great mystery" take?
Hmmmmmm. Gonne sleep on that one.

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Firstly, I certainly understand that my perspective is different than yours. I find it to be a very beautiful and mysterious observation. To me that magic is felt more strongly when you look into someone's eyes. When my own perspective gets a flash of the potentialities of other perspectives.
Stare at a computer screen too much and you might forget about that magic.

If "all that I see" is not the same as "all that you see", then it stands to reason that "all i see" is not "all there is". I mean i think we're both saying the same thing but with different emphasis haha.
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Well from my perspective, the point your missing is, your never looking at anything solid as to say your seeing anything different than me. For example, I have friends who hate milk.. I love milk. The milk is the same, yet totally different perspective on it. The same goes with visuals. What you see is nothing more than what your mind is creating and furthermore how your mind interprets what it just created. We can be in the same spot staring at the same thing and verbally express we see the same thing, then turn and walk opposite directions and see totally different things. Why, because there was never anything more to see in the first place then what we were at that moment. If everyone in the world so the same thing as everyone else all the time, I would then be concerned if you started seeing different things lol. Fortunately we are free to see whatever we can convince our minds is there. There will never come a time when space is too limited for new things to enter your perspective. Technically speaking, when are you ever looking at the same thing twice
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Firstly, I certainly understand that my perspective is different than yours. I find it to be a very beautiful and mysterious observation. To me that magic is felt more strongly when you look into someone's eyes. When my own perspective gets a flash of the potentialities of other perspectives.
Stare at a computer screen too much and you might forget about that magic.

If "all that I see" is not the same as "all that you see", then it stands to reason that "all i see" is not "all there is". I mean i think we're both saying the same thing but with different emphasis haha.
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Well from my perspective, the point your missing is, your never looking at anything solid as to say your seeing anything different than me. For example, I have friends who hate milk.. I love milk. The milk is the same, yet totally different perspective on it. The same goes with visuals. What you see is nothing more than what your mind is creating and furthermore how your mind interprets what it just created. We can be in the same spot staring at the same thing and verbally express we see the same thing, then turn and walk opposite directions and see totally different things. Why, because there was never anything more to see in the first place then what we were at that moment. If everyone in the world so the same thing as everyone else all the time, I would then be concerned if you started seeing different things lol. Fortunately we are free to see whatever we can convince our minds is there. There will never come a time when space is too limited for new things to enter your perspective. Technically speaking, when are you ever looking at the same thing twice
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Hmmm. I don't think I am missing that point. I agree with everything you just said but I don't think it address the point I'm making about the unknown. Yes, we can perceive same thing and, yes, we can always perceive new things. But are we ever perceiving ALL things?
For example: if you're looking and see a ghost floating but I'm looking at the same spot and don't see a ghost. It could either be that you're insane or hallucinating or you have the faculties to perceive something that I don't perceive. Whatever the reason, I'm not going to deny the possibility that there is a ghost there just because I don't sense it.
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"Whatever thereason, I'm not going to deny the possibility thatthere is a ghost there just because I don't sense it."

Yup.

"New things" are an addition to our perspective. We could look at all of this in another way... what if we assume that anything is possible? What if all restrictions are self imposed?
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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what if we assume that anything is possible? What if all restrictions are self imposed?
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Well now we're back where we started!:

This is the only question you pose that I believe I can personally answer with confidence. You have all the influence. It is you.
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Haha, we've gone for a loop.

I think I'll retire this conversation now. But I'd still like to hear Chaol or anybody's response to this:

What I would like to know is how one would re-conceptualize what has been called "The Great Mystery" or "unknown."

Traditionally, it has been recognized as power or force (like the Christian God or Karma).
Something which is "founded upon an only partially psychic and possibly altogether different form of being."*

If I'm to believe that I have "all the power" then what shape does the "great mystery" or "unknown" take?

*Quote is Carl Jung
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Haha, we've gone for a loop.

I think I'll retire this conversation now. But I'd still like to hear Chaol or anybody's response to this:

What I would like to know is how one would re-conceptualize what has been called "The Great Mystery" or "unknown."

Traditionally, it has been recognized as power or force (like the Christian God or Karma).
Something which is "founded upon an only partially psychic and possibly altogether different form of being."*

If I'm to believe that I have "all the power" then what shape does the "great mystery" or "unknown" take?

*Quote is Carl Jung
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That is a question you can only ask yourself. If we have learned anything from this discussion, we can never agree until we know... we can never know... by definition the "unknown" is not known...yet.. Beautiful and simple. To know the "shape" of the unknown we would have to first know the "shape" of the known, that abstract concept is you.

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That is a question you can only ask yourself. If we have learned anything from this discussion, we can never agree until we know... we can never know... by definition the "unknown" is not known...yet.. Beautiful and simple. To know the "shape" of the unknown we would have to first know the "shape" of the known, that abstract concept is you.
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Word!
Hope we didn't hi-jack this thread too much.
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I haven't test driven it. I frequent the Mercedes Benz site where you can get a full preview of the car inside and out.
i've gone as far as custom building the model to my exact specifications and reviewing the dynamics and stats of the vehicle. Talking to you and a select few others is as far as I've gone as far as interaction. Most would think I'm crazy for looking into a $100,000 vehicle when I make a salary of half that a year, but forget believing I'm starting to know more and more everyday the Possibility of this is increasing hand in hand to my understanding of Ec. What about you? What are you using the Genius for?
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what i'd do in your case is to start "smaller". in my understanding it takes more energy to get something the further away it is from your current perspective. that's probably not a problem if you KNOW that the genius works and trust in it 100% because you made it work countless times in the "past" (like chaol, for instance). but if you just start using it you should start smaller and go step by step and after you're confident that the genius works for you and you trust in it then you can go for the stuff that takes more energy to get. imo you unconsciously block the genius because you're not sure that with a $50.000/year salary you'll be able to afford such a car. i believe you have to be sure and totally confident in order for it to work.

i've done pretty much the same for about 10 years (or maybe all my life, who knows) but more or less unconsciously. first i've turned my hobby into my job, then increased my income to the point where i could afford the car i wanted and a nice house (which still doesn't belong to me completely but i'm confident that it will, eventually. not taking into account what's going to happen with all of our "perception" soon). basically, i've gone step by step and worked for it. that's what most people do who continuously reach the goals they set for themselves, only with knowledge of the genius and how it works it becomes infinitely easier.
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The less logical it is from your current perspective the more distant in "time" and "space" the experience is.

However, it does not mean that a Toyota Corolla is more logical, or closer, than a Ferrari.

The idea is to have the map and traverse the logical path.

Anything can become more logical sooner if you know which path to take. Thus, the Genius.
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example: "(I) SEE YOU TOMORROW!"
+SS IP L-L

"I" would be high symbol and "you" neutral symbol as described above.
"see" would be a neutral interaction (it's relative to my perspective but not highly relative insofar as it doesn't influence me very much) resulting in a neutral possibility (it is not defined what the possibility is and so it is relative to me but not (yet) highly relative).
"tomorrow" is neutral logic (less relevant than for example "now" and more relevant than, say, "next year", hence neutral. also, it's more vague than for example "tomorrow 8 am" which would be high logic) resulting in low logic (the only option left. no particular "logic" is defined in the sentence, hence it's low logic)
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What is your input and output for this first group (+SS)? Would 'I' be the input and 'you' be the output?
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yep, "I" would be the input because it's me who does the "seeing" and "you" would be the output because what/whom i see is the "result" of my input. is this ok or did i misunderstand anything?
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See here: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

In that case, wouldn't anything you see be the "result" of the input.. not just "you"?

It could work (I suppose) but you would probably experience a very limited result.
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By the way, I bought a new Bentley in my favorite color (with cash) using the Genius.

And I found someone to drive it for me using an other Genius model.

As I've mentioned before it works for any kind of perspective, not just certain physical perspectives.
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you know, i think it's pretty cool that although you can do and get pretty much everything you want you still take the time to teach us and help us understand ecsys. thank you dasbier
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It's even more fun to limit myself.

I stand in line like everybody else (like Batman). I watch television and water the planets. To me, the experience is both entertaining and enriching.

(Isn't that what you do? Pretend that there are limitations in order to understand the unlimited?)
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I see where you're coming from Chaol, I really don't have anything else I want (or I am using that as an excuse). Plus, this answer was an easy response to Major's difficult question. I believe we all follow this model for anything we want by default. It works, but it's not profound like the uses you recommend for the genius. I would love to better understand the genius, I suppose I still have not bridged the concept gaps to understand it. I should say I still doubt, I look forward to not doubting.
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Thanks.

I suppose it's more about experiences (perspectives, so to speak) than getting what you want.

Often, we map out things that include what you'd call bad experiences.

Sometimes the most logical way to paradise is through a pig sty.
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I can't seem to wrap my mind around this at all. The more I read the more confusing.
I want a car.. A car being +SI (High symbol, neutral interation) which corresponds to the icon TOO . So does this mean the Symbol is the input and the Interaction is the output? Do I replace the word car with "TOO" using that as the bridge to bring it more into my perspective? Something tells me I'm totally off here...
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Use the Genius if you want to 'change' your perceptions: [link to ecsys.org]

(You could save Ec for when you've mastered the Genius. Some people choose the opposite way but I guess whatever interests them most...)
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Yea I'll go back to the Genius. I was studying Ec last night and have a much better understanding now, but nowhere near a complete understanding. I disregarded the whole input output part before. But it seems I didn't fully understand the Genius like I thought I had either, or at least not for what I want.
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Just be sure to remember to keep them separate (in basic uses, which we're still on).

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