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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
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Let me ask this and see if I can get a handle on Ec by breaking it down.

The first symbol is cat.

So cat is, high input symbol and neutral output symbol.

The next is America which is high input symbol and low output symbol.

How does cat's neutral output symbol flow into America's high input symbol?

Here's what the site says:

"As you can see, the second side of each subsequent icon is just continuing from the last. Then the first side moves to the next place when there is no more room. This makes each of the 66 characters quite easy to learn and remember."
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Hi. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about this material. I love thinking about it and I love discussing it.

But, first of all, I want to give credit where credit is due.

On the "dreamworld meeting" thread, I once again began to moan about my lack of progress in understanding the EC language. Chaol replied with "perhaps I can help". I read that and started to list my questions when I noticed that my mind started flowing with sudden comprehension. It is as if a pinhole had been made in a dike and the hole was growing larger, allowing torrents of water to gush from out of a huge reservoir that the dike had been holding back.

Now, I don't know how Chaol did this, but it is obvious to me that I have been gifted with some sort of special dispensation. In fact, I really cannot even refer to a "me" in this case.

I am struggling here to describe what I would like to tell you all.

We are aspects of Chaol. He is dreaming us. We are independent selves who are interpreting Chaol's dream from a unique perspective. So, when I come online to this forum and try to communicate my view of the material, it is as a different perspective of my dream self. It is "me", but also something else at the same time.

Okay. That is clear as mud, I see. Nonetheless, I'm going to post this as-is, because I know that I am not comprehending this material all on my own and I want you all to see that I understand this.
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Hi. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about this material. I love thinking about it and I love discussing it.

But, first of all, I want to give credit where credit is due.

On the "dreamworld meeting" thread, I once again began to moan about my lack of progress in understanding the EC language. Chaol replied with "perhaps I can help". I read that and started to list my questions when I noticed that my mind started flowing with sudden comprehension. It is as if a pinhole had been made in a dike and the hole was growing larger, allowing torrents of water to gush from out of a huge reservoir that the dike had been holding back.

Now, I don't know how Chaol did this, but it is obvious to me that I have been gifted with some sort of special dispensation. In fact, I really cannot even refer to a "me" in this case.

I am struggling here to describe what I would like to tell you all.

We are aspects of Chaol. He is dreaming us. We are independent selves who are interpreting Chaol's dream from a unique perspective. So, when I come online to this forum and try to communicate my view of the material, it is as a different perspective of my dream self. It is "me", but also something else at the same time.

Okay. That is clear as mud, I see. Nonetheless, I'm going to post this as-is, because I know that I am not comprehending this material all on my own and I want you all to see that I understand this.
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I understand what you're saying. Chaol has helped me too. Since it flowed for you, I am hoping to learn what I can from you!

Thanks for all you do share with us.
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I started writing about this on the "dreamworld meeting" thread, but I am moving it over here because it fits better here.

I am having the most remarkable results with writing strings of neuronicons to describe a state I want.

I wrote one for easy wealth. I wanted to perceive an availability of money with a no-big-deal sort of attitude towards it. It is just there if I want it.

The next day, a pizza delivery man asked me about my broken-down car. She is in good condition and a desirable car, but she stopped running and I have not been very motivated to fix her up. I told the man that I would be willing to sell her and quoted a price. He said that he would come back with the money. I said "okay" and then forgot all about it. After all, I had pizza!

Two days later, he knocked on my door with a wad of cash in his hand. I gave him the title to my car and he then hauled it away. It was all over with in half an hour!

Now, THIS was easy and totally unexpected.

I had to make one modification to my string of neuronicons, however. I had added the idea that nobody would cheat me or steal my money. Apparently, this was taking it too far, because the next day, I had two relatives hit me up for a handout! They declared that they knew I had money and that I somehow or other owed it to them. This is totally false! It was the neuronicon talking!

I removed the offending aspect, and, today, those two relatives act like nothing happened!

Guys! I cannot stress how easy and effective this is.
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Heck yeah, once you have pizza, what else would you need, heh! j/k That was cool how you changed the string and the next day the relatives acted like nothing happened!!! I love it!!!

Do you speak the strings out loud too, or just think them? Also, if you don't mind sharing, what kind of things are you using the strings for besides money? The reason I'm asking is I have a recurring theme in my life. Instead of trying to catch that thought all the time, it would be nice to replace it with Ec whenever it comes up. Do you think that would be effective?


Well, the website is down. Anyone interested in starting a thread on teaching Ec?????
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Just to note that the EC string was not about "money", per se, but rather about a perception I prefer in regards to the ease with which resources are avaiable to me. When one realizes that one can "manifest" anything that one desires, then money becomes less relevant. The "old" reality had people scrambling their entire lives in order to acquire a coin, while ignoring and corrupting things that were innocent and beautiful. IMHO, that is.

I have been using the string to release myself more and more from that old perspective. So, yes, I repeat the sounds and clearly imagine the icon string whenever I find myself slipping into the old habit of stressing over bills and income and such other related perceptions. Those belong to another era. I don't have to drag them along with me to this new dream.

I have several strings going for various ideas I have. I have been practicing "thinking" in EC, which certainly shows me a different world. I also seem to be much more lucid in my dreams.

Which raises a question I have: does dream self speak in EC? Is this the language used by dream self?
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For now, that's exactly what I want to do with Ec...release old thinking patterns. Do you actually understand how the symbols flow from one to another? Or, do you just make up words and use the symbols that correspond with them?

As far as speaking in the dream world, my experience is that I just KNOW things. But, I"m not entirely lucid, either.

From the website:

"In our world, most of us generally would not say something like, "You are generous". Instead, we use a more open an engaging expression like, "I see you as generous".


[link to web.archive.org]


Btw, any chance you'd join the behind the scenes activity?
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The icons do not really "flow" one into the other, unless you purposely design a string to do it that way. Each icon stands on its own, with its own "story" to tell, so to speak.

When developing a string to describe a state or a concept, there are elements or characteristics to those states or concepts for which a single icon can be used to depict each element. Once the elements have been adequately represented by a multiple of icons, you then have a type of phrase or sentence that, when taken altogether, defines the state or concept.

I have not been using the icons to translate English words. The English language produces one set of perceptions, while the EC language produces another. I would rather dive directly ino the EC world.
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Ah. So! I had a mini-brainstorm that could have useful repercussions.

Use your hands (or whatever other appendage seems appropriate. ha ha.) to draw the neuronicon in the air. This physicalizes and illustrates it for the rest of your perspective.

Has Chaol already made this suggestion?

I was outside, sitting by my favorite maple tree, when I realized that this tree is a strong symbol to me. I mostly just sit and admire this tree, which could be described as a neutral interaction. Thus, the symbol "OO" as in "TOO". I drew it in the air. There is a box at the beginning of this icon, and I made a motion of bringing all five fingers together then exploding them outwards to indicate the emphasis before the line.

Somewhere in these threads, Chaol posted a link to an article about how those who are born profoundly deaf use Signing as a natural language. They use it to the extent that their brains are wired differently from the "hearing". They think exclusively in symbols.
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Great idea about using the hands.

So the tree is one symbol. How do you then go on to a string?
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In this post, I had not really defined the tree using EC. This is where an EC dictionary would come in handy. Instead, I used English words to describe the tree. I did, however, tell you in EC about my relationship with my tree.

The point of post was to announce an apparent value to be found in the act of Signing the icon.
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Short of giving my weight and social security number, I have already revealed all of my personal stastics on this thread, including some really private stuff. All of it right out there in the open for one point two million visitors per day to examine.

House of Chaos
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I hadn't noticed because you are also an AC with a changing IP number. I don't know any of your private stuff because of it. How transparent is that?

And, why do you find honesty in public more transparent than honesty in intimacy?

just sayin'
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Yep. I will always and forever be an AC. It is my good buddies, the
Electrons, that are fooling around with the changing ID numbers. They've got their own little joke going on.
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Heck yeah, once you have pizza, what else would you need, heh! j/k That was cool how you changed the string and the next day the relatives acted like nothing happened!!! I love it!!!

Do you speak the strings out loud too, or just think them? Also, if you don't mind sharing, what kind of things are you using the strings for besides money? The reason I'm asking is I have a recurring theme in my life. Instead of trying to catch that thought all the time, it would be nice to replace it with Ec whenever it comes up. Do you think that would be effective?


Well, the website is down. Anyone interested in starting a thread on teaching Ec?????
 Quoting: U3


Just to note that the EC string was not about "money", per se, but rather about a perception I prefer in regards to the ease with which resources are avaiable to me. When one realizes that one can "manifest" anything that one desires, then money becomes less relevant. The "old" reality had people scrambling their entire lives in order to acquire a coin, while ignoring and corrupting things that were innocent and beautiful. IMHO, that is.

I have been using the string to release myself more and more from that old perspective. So, yes, I repeat the sounds and clearly imagine the icon string whenever I find myself slipping into the old habit of stressing over bills and income and such other related perceptions. Those belong to another era. I don't have to drag them along with me to this new dream.

I have several strings going for various ideas I have. I have been practicing "thinking" in EC, which certainly shows me a different world. I also seem to be much more lucid in my dreams.

Which raises a question I have: does dream self speak in EC? Is this the language used by dream self?
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For now, that's exactly what I want to do with Ec...release old thinking patterns. Do you actually understand how the symbols flow from one to another? Or, do you just make up words and use the symbols that correspond with them?

As far as speaking in the dream world, my experience is that I just KNOW things. But, I"m not entirely lucid, either.

From the website:

"In our world, most of us generally would not say something like, "You are generous". Instead, we use a more open an engaging expression like, "I see you as generous".


[link to web.archive.org]


Btw, any chance you'd join the behind the scenes activity?
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The icons do not really "flow" one into the other, unless you purposely design a string to do it that way. Each icon stands on its own, with its own "story" to tell, so to speak.

When developing a string to describe a state or a concept, there are elements or characteristics to those states or concepts for which a single icon can be used to depict each element. Once the elements have been adequately represented by a multiple of icons, you then have a type of phrase or sentence that, when taken altogether, defines the state or concept.

I have not been using the icons to translate English words. The English language produces one set of perceptions, while the EC language produces another. I would rather dive directly ino the EC world.
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I agree not to translate English words with the icons. And it makes sense that I don't need to consider that each icon flows into the other. That's the way I was using them at first, but I was only constructing a word and not a sentence or several sentences.

Let me re-state what you said above to make sure I get what you're saying. I have a desired perception. Some of it will not take much input but I would like a high output to it.

So, I look at the symbols to see what might fit. There may be one or several. I pick what I see fulfills the input/output I feel fits the perception.

OK, I hope I've got that so far. But here is where I don't get what to do.

Say there is just one symbol that really fits a desired perception. How do I then choose additional icons to go with it?

And if there are more that fit the low input, high output, then would I pick several of them for a string? And only those for the string?

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Ah. So! I had a mini-brainstorm that could have useful repercussions.

Use your hands (or whatever other appendage seems appropriate. ha ha.) to draw the neuronicon in the air. This physicalizes and illustrates it for the rest of your perspective.

Has Chaol already made this suggestion?

I was outside, sitting by my favorite maple tree, when I realized that this tree is a strong symbol to me. I mostly just sit and admire this tree, which could be described as a neutral interaction. Thus, the symbol "OO" as in "TOO". I drew it in the air. There is a box at the beginning of this icon, and I made a motion of bringing all five fingers together then exploding them outwards to indicate the emphasis before the line.

Somewhere in these threads, Chaol posted a link to an article about how those who are born profoundly deaf use Signing as a natural language. They use it to the extent that their brains are wired differently from the "hearing". They think exclusively in symbols.
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Great idea about using the hands.

So the tree is one symbol. How do you then go on to a string?
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In this post, I had not really defined the tree using EC. This is where an EC dictionary would come in handy. Instead, I used English words to describe the tree. I did, however, tell you in EC about my relationship with my tree.

The point of post was to announce an apparent value to be found in the act of Signing the icon.
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I caught that value. So today, on my walk with my walking stick, I drew the icons in the air as I walked. Right now, I'm just trying to memorize some of them.

It's a great idea. Thanks.
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Short of giving my weight and social security number, I have already revealed all of my personal stastics on this thread, including some really private stuff. All of it right out there in the open for one point two million visitors per day to examine.

House of Chaos
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Incidentally, I weigh 170 pounds. I am 5' 10" tall.
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I hadn't noticed because you are also an AC with a changing IP number. I don't know any of your private stuff because of it. How transparent is that?

And, why do you find honesty in public more transparent than honesty in intimacy?

just sayin'
 Quoting: U3

Yep. I will always and forever be an AC. It is my good buddies, the
Electrons, that are fooling around with the changing ID numbers. They've got their own little joke going on.
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Well, you are hidden in an ocean of AC's, so it's not conducive to transparency...to me. When you say you've posted a lot of private stuff, I wouldn't know it because of this.

I have tried both and having a user name and avatar make you stand out. When I'm an AC, I feel more hidden. It makes it easier, for me, to share private stuff as an AC and I actually prefer to be one.

I haven't known who you are until now and I sure can't find you in the thread. And, once you stop posting about Ec, I will again, not know who you are.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on transparency on GLP!

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I seem to have an attraction for the icon "SUN". That is, Neutral Logic/High Possibility. I seem to be including it a lot in other strings. Then, I found another icon - fAIR: Neutral Possibility/Neutral Interaction. To me, the combination of the two sounds like magic. As if anything could be anything. SUNAIR. I have already used it as a log-on name on a website.

I notice that each of the neuronicons has its own philosophy. If a person had never studied Chaol's material, I don't think s/he would ever be able to grasp the meanings of the icons. This may be one reason that the EC language seems difficult. We needed the background teachings so as to comprehend - however dimly - the import of an icon like, for example, BOOBA (Weak Logic/Weak Possibility).
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So you use a word for more than one meaning? And you figure out the input/output as to how you determine to use it?
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Well, I use an icon for more than one meaning, yes. Each icon seems to straddle a multitude of values associated with it. So far, I have been choosing an icon according to how it FEELS. A tree just FEELS like High Symbol/Neutral Interaction. OO. a tree even SOUNDS like OO.
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Hi! I'd be happy to share the string that is working so well for me.

Please be aware that this is for a feeling that I conjured up and then wrote a string that described the feeling. My interpretation using neuronicons may be different from the way someone else may see it.

If you can access a page of neuronicons with their pronounciations, the icons I am using are: SIT, TOO, SUN, MY, and PIG, spoken as "I-OO-SUN-Y-P".

The perception I am after goes like this: "Meh. Money. I have a good income with very little effort, doing things that I like to do. There's plenty there if I need it to buy a plane ticket or something where the only recourse is to spend money on it. There are no bills since there are no debts. Bills are irrelevant. I lack for nothing."
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So you see all 5 symbols when you speak this string? And is the one you adjusted the meaning of, when the relatives showed up saying you owed money? You only changed the meaning to change the perception and not the string?
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Very observant. Yes. I only changed the meaning in order to remove that one particular element. I decided that I was satisfied with the original icons as they were.
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Let me ask this and see if I can get a handle on Ec by breaking it down.

The first symbol is cat.

So cat is, high input symbol and neutral output symbol.

The next is America which is high input symbol and low output symbol.

How does cat's neutral output symbol flow into America's high input symbol?

Here's what the site says:

"As you can see, the second side of each subsequent icon is just continuing from the last. Then the first side moves to the next place when there is no more room. This makes each of the 66 characters quite easy to learn and remember."
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"Cat" doesn't flow into "America". The part of Chaol's explanation that you have quoted is describing how every high-neutral-weak aspect for each of the four forces is included in the set of 66 icons. He is saying that once one aspect has been described, then the line moves in an orderly manner to describe the next aspect. Chaol has also likened this process to the hands of a clock movng in a circle around the face of a clock, hitting every single position available during its movement.
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Just to note that the EC string was not about "money", per se, but rather about a perception I prefer in regards to the ease with which resources are avaiable to me. When one realizes that one can "manifest" anything that one desires, then money becomes less relevant. The "old" reality had people scrambling their entire lives in order to acquire a coin, while ignoring and corrupting things that were innocent and beautiful. IMHO, that is.

I have been using the string to release myself more and more from that old perspective. So, yes, I repeat the sounds and clearly imagine the icon string whenever I find myself slipping into the old habit of stressing over bills and income and such other related perceptions. Those belong to another era. I don't have to drag them along with me to this new dream.

I have several strings going for various ideas I have. I have been practicing "thinking" in EC, which certainly shows me a different world. I also seem to be much more lucid in my dreams.

Which raises a question I have: does dream self speak in EC? Is this the language used by dream self?
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For now, that's exactly what I want to do with Ec...release old thinking patterns. Do you actually understand how the symbols flow from one to another? Or, do you just make up words and use the symbols that correspond with them?

As far as speaking in the dream world, my experience is that I just KNOW things. But, I"m not entirely lucid, either.

From the website:

"In our world, most of us generally would not say something like, "You are generous". Instead, we use a more open an engaging expression like, "I see you as generous".


[link to web.archive.org]


Btw, any chance you'd join the behind the scenes activity?
 Quoting: U3


The icons do not really "flow" one into the other, unless you purposely design a string to do it that way. Each icon stands on its own, with its own "story" to tell, so to speak.

When developing a string to describe a state or a concept, there are elements or characteristics to those states or concepts for which a single icon can be used to depict each element. Once the elements have been adequately represented by a multiple of icons, you then have a type of phrase or sentence that, when taken altogether, defines the state or concept.

I have not been using the icons to translate English words. The English language produces one set of perceptions, while the EC language produces another. I would rather dive directly ino the EC world.
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I agree not to translate English words with the icons. And it makes sense that I don't need to consider that each icon flows into the other. That's the way I was using them at first, but I was only constructing a word and not a sentence or several sentences.

Let me re-state what you said above to make sure I get what you're saying. I have a desired perception. Some of it will not take much input but I would like a high output to it.

So, I look at the symbols to see what might fit. There may be one or several. I pick what I see fulfills the input/output I feel fits the perception.

OK, I hope I've got that so far. But here is where I don't get what to do.

Say there is just one symbol that really fits a desired perception. How do I then choose additional icons to go with it?

And if there are more that fit the low input, high output, then would I pick several of them for a string? And only those for the string?
 Quoting: U3

I can see how a single icon could be sufficient representation of a value. Chaol has even recommended that we assign a value to each icon. I suppose that there may come a time when you may wish to refine a value to add or subtract some characteristics. That could be when you decide to append other icons in order to clarify a definition.

With our current newly-found interest in the EC language, I would say that we are having fun discovering. Let's continue to share our insights and experiences in order to get ourselves traveling in a straight line with all of this.

Thank you for your support and contributions to this conversation. Everybody benefits from it.
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Somebody else on the thread made the suggestion, but I made flashcards to help me learn the icons.

Here is a list of English words for which I would like to assign icons. Any suggestions?

Beginning
And
True
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Thanks.
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I seem to have an attraction for the icon "SUN". That is, Neutral Logic/High Possibility. I seem to be including it a lot in other strings. Then, I found another icon - fAIR: Neutral Possibility/Neutral Interaction. To me, the combination of the two sounds like magic. As if anything could be anything. SUNAIR. I have already used it as a log-on name on a website.

I notice that each of the neuronicons has its own philosophy. If a person had never studied Chaol's material, I don't think s/he would ever be able to grasp the meanings of the icons. This may be one reason that the EC language seems difficult. We needed the background teachings so as to comprehend - however dimly - the import of an icon like, for example, BOOBA (Weak Logic/Weak Possibility).
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So you use a word for more than one meaning? And you figure out the input/output as to how you determine to use it?
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Well, I use an icon for more than one meaning, yes. Each icon seems to straddle a multitude of values associated with it. So far, I have been choosing an icon according to how it FEELS. A tree just FEELS like High Symbol/Neutral Interaction. OO. a tree even SOUNDS like OO.
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OK, makes sense. I can get it with one word but when it comes to a string, I'm sure lost.

Thank you for your help.
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Hi! I'd be happy to share the string that is working so well for me.

Please be aware that this is for a feeling that I conjured up and then wrote a string that described the feeling. My interpretation using neuronicons may be different from the way someone else may see it.

If you can access a page of neuronicons with their pronounciations, the icons I am using are: SIT, TOO, SUN, MY, and PIG, spoken as "I-OO-SUN-Y-P".

The perception I am after goes like this: "Meh. Money. I have a good income with very little effort, doing things that I like to do. There's plenty there if I need it to buy a plane ticket or something where the only recourse is to spend money on it. There are no bills since there are no debts. Bills are irrelevant. I lack for nothing."
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So you see all 5 symbols when you speak this string? And is the one you adjusted the meaning of, when the relatives showed up saying you owed money? You only changed the meaning to change the perception and not the string?
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Very observant. Yes. I only changed the meaning in order to remove that one particular element. I decided that I was satisfied with the original icons as they were.
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This is REALLY fascinating to me. By changing the meaning (logic), the perception changed, even though you used the same string.

Do you have any thoughts on this? For example, is it better to stay in neutral mode when determining the intended desired perception? Any other input?

Also, I guess it doesn't affect the string to change the intent. With the Genius maps, at one point, Chaol told us if we change the intent, we need to change the rest of the Genius. (Of course, I guess the Genius differs from the actual Ec language in how they manifest things.)Another fascinating thing about all this.

It sure reminds me how important setting our desire (or intent) is... and I stumble a lot on this part too. I know what I want....but how to word it correctly, often escapes me.

Sometimes, I meditate on it for several days before I decide how I want to word it, at least in English. I have a feeling once it's decided for the language, the rest is easier... because it's based on input/output values rather than wording. (I hope that made sense)

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Let me ask this and see if I can get a handle on Ec by breaking it down.

The first symbol is cat.

So cat is, high input symbol and neutral output symbol.

The next is America which is high input symbol and low output symbol.

How does cat's neutral output symbol flow into America's high input symbol?

Here's what the site says:

"As you can see, the second side of each subsequent icon is just continuing from the last. Then the first side moves to the next place when there is no more room. This makes each of the 66 characters quite easy to learn and remember."
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"Cat" doesn't flow into "America". The part of Chaol's explanation that you have quoted is describing how every high-neutral-weak aspect for each of the four forces is included in the set of 66 icons. He is saying that once one aspect has been described, then the line moves in an orderly manner to describe the next aspect. Chaol has also likened this process to the hands of a clock movng in a circle around the face of a clock, hitting every single position available during its movement.
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Ohhhhhhh, ok. Yes, that was tripping me up. He mentioned this flow makes it easy to memorize the 66 symbols, so I was trying to see how they flowed from one icon to the next.

No wonder I was having trouble. That's not what he meant at all, LOL! I was trying to see the big picture before reducing down to a single icon.

Now that I don't have to see the whole picture first, I'll study it some more. I'm sure I'll have some more questions but right now, I'll let this soak in.

Thanks so much.

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Somebody else on the thread made the suggestion, but I made flashcards to help me learn the icons.

Here is a list of English words for which I would like to assign icons. Any suggestions?

Beginning
And
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10

Thanks.
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Flash cards is a good idea. Did you also put output/inputs on them too? Or can you tell it just by looking at the icon?

I still use that image from the website...the one with the inputs and the 4 sides. This one:

[link to xa.yimg.com]

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Somebody else on the thread made the suggestion, but I made flashcards to help me learn the icons.

Here is a list of English words for which I would like to assign icons. Any suggestions?

Beginning
And
True
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Equals
10

Thanks.
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Flash cards is a good idea. Did you also put output/inputs on them too? Or can you tell it just by looking at the icon?

I still use that image from the website...the one with the inputs and the 4 sides. This one:

[link to xa.yimg.com]
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I have not been able to follow a link or watch videos that are posted for the past two months, so please forgive me for not knowing exactly which graphic you are referring to. As to the input/output, since the icons are always read in a clockwise manner, I just imagine a circle going to the left around an icon and the first line (or emphasis box) I hit would be "input".

I constantly look at the graphics for the four forces. It is my cheat sheet.

Have you noticed that the formula numbers for the four forces run COUNTERclockwise? That is, Logic is 1, then go backwards to Possibility, which is 2, then backwards again to Interaction, 3, then to Symbol, 5. Everything else is figured clockwise. This why I keep the cheat sheet nearby. I get mixed up with the positions of strong/neutral/weak.
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For now, that's exactly what I want to do with Ec...release old thinking patterns. Do you actually understand how the symbols flow from one to another? Or, do you just make up words and use the symbols that correspond with them?

As far as speaking in the dream world, my experience is that I just KNOW things. But, I"m not entirely lucid, either.

From the website:

"In our world, most of us generally would not say something like, "You are generous". Instead, we use a more open an engaging expression like, "I see you as generous".


[link to web.archive.org]


Btw, any chance you'd join the behind the scenes activity?
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The icons do not really "flow" one into the other, unless you purposely design a string to do it that way. Each icon stands on its own, with its own "story" to tell, so to speak.

When developing a string to describe a state or a concept, there are elements or characteristics to those states or concepts for which a single icon can be used to depict each element. Once the elements have been adequately represented by a multiple of icons, you then have a type of phrase or sentence that, when taken altogether, defines the state or concept.

I have not been using the icons to translate English words. The English language produces one set of perceptions, while the EC language produces another. I would rather dive directly ino the EC world.
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I agree not to translate English words with the icons. And it makes sense that I don't need to consider that each icon flows into the other. That's the way I was using them at first, but I was only constructing a word and not a sentence or several sentences.

Let me re-state what you said above to make sure I get what you're saying. I have a desired perception. Some of it will not take much input but I would like a high output to it.

So, I look at the symbols to see what might fit. There may be one or several. I pick what I see fulfills the input/output I feel fits the perception.

OK, I hope I've got that so far. But here is where I don't get what to do.

Say there is just one symbol that really fits a desired perception. How do I then choose additional icons to go with it?

And if there are more that fit the low input, high output, then would I pick several of them for a string? And only those for the string?
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I can see how a single icon could be sufficient representation of a value. Chaol has even recommended that we assign a value to each icon. I suppose that there may come a time when you may wish to refine a value to add or subtract some characteristics. That could be when you decide to append other icons in order to clarify a definition.

With our current newly-found interest in the EC language, I would say that we are having fun discovering. Let's continue to share our insights and experiences in order to get ourselves traveling in a straight line with all of this.

Thank you for your support and contributions to this conversation. Everybody benefits from it.
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I don't quite understand why we would need to assign a value to each icon.....unless it's to help us remember it? Do you think that's it?

Seems to me that would be doing the same thing as our English language, but since it has input/output, it puts a better meaning to it. Maybe I don't understand what's meant by value?

Oh boy, I have no problem continuing our discussion. I'm loving it even though I feel I'm not grasping it yet. I'm delighted you are enjoying it too. This is great!

Thank you for being here so we can discuss it. It's a dream come true!!!! And yes, everyone benefits!

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Somebody else on the thread made the suggestion, but I made flashcards to help me learn the icons.

Here is a list of English words for which I would like to assign icons. Any suggestions?

Beginning
And
True
False
Equals
10

Thanks.
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Flash cards is a good idea. Did you also put output/inputs on them too? Or can you tell it just by looking at the icon?

I still use that image from the website...the one with the inputs and the 4 sides. This one:

[link to xa.yimg.com]
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I have not been able to follow a link or watch videos that are posted for the past two months, so please forgive me for not knowing exactly which graphic you are referring to. As to the input/output, since the icons are always read in a clockwise manner, I just imagine a circle going to the left around an icon and the first line (or emphasis box) I hit would be "input".

I constantly look at the graphics for the four forces. It is my cheat sheet.

Have you noticed that the formula numbers for the four forces run COUNTERclockwise? That is, Logic is 1, then go backwards to Possibility, which is 2, then backwards again to Interaction, 3, then to Symbol, 5. Everything else is figured clockwise. This why I keep the cheat sheet nearby. I get mixed up with the positions of strong/neutral/weak.
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Are you saying the emphasis box is that little gray box by the icons? And the first box you come to after going left, is the "input"?

I made a copy of the image with: Symbol, at the top, Interaction, on the right (in yellow), Possibility on the bottom and Logic on the left (in green). And it has all the high, neutral, low lines throughout. This is the cheat sheet I use.

I don't think it's what you're talking about. I don't know what's meant about the formula numbers or the 4 forces being counterclockwise...so I guess we are talking about different images. I'll go look at the website and see if I can figure it out.

OK, I found this from the site: "The fundamental forces of Ecsys are the Gods of Logic, Possibility, Interaction, and Symbol." And then he goes on to explain them. But, I don't see them counterclockwise. He does start with Logic and end with Symbols, though. And I don't see inputs, outputs....so I'm not sure. I'll put the link just in case I want to look at it again:
[link to web.archive.org]



I"m looking at the four forces now. Orbia: The Goddess of Logic, Kosmosis: The God of Possibility, Chaos: The Goddess of Interaction, ThohT: The God of Symbol

Logic is the structure of a perspective, its most fundamental part.

Possibility: Symbol without Interaction.

Interaction is the structure of potential energy and enables logic.

Symbol is the interaction of potential energy, used to integrate with other symbols.

Okay, I think we are talking about the same image but I don't see the forces numbered because I don't see them as counterclockwise. Let me think about it. I might be back to this post tonight, I might not, depending on what I get.

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Hi! I'd be happy to share the string that is working so well for me.

Please be aware that this is for a feeling that I conjured up and then wrote a string that described the feeling. My interpretation using neuronicons may be different from the way someone else may see it.

If you can access a page of neuronicons with their pronounciations, the icons I am using are: SIT, TOO, SUN, MY, and PIG, spoken as "I-OO-SUN-Y-P".

The perception I am after goes like this: "Meh. Money. I have a good income with very little effort, doing things that I like to do. There's plenty there if I need it to buy a plane ticket or something where the only recourse is to spend money on it. There are no bills since there are no debts. Bills are irrelevant. I lack for nothing."
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So you see all 5 symbols when you speak this string? And is the one you adjusted the meaning of, when the relatives showed up saying you owed money? You only changed the meaning to change the perception and not the string?
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Very observant. Yes. I only changed the meaning in order to remove that one particular element. I decided that I was satisfied with the original icons as they were.
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This is REALLY fascinating to me. By changing the meaning (logic), the perception changed, even though you used the same string.

Do you have any thoughts on this? For example, is it better to stay in neutral mode when determining the intended desired perception? Any other input?

Also, I guess it doesn't affect the string to change the intent. With the Genius maps, at one point, Chaol told us if we change the intent, we need to change the rest of the Genius. (Of course, I guess the Genius differs from the actual Ec language in how they manifest things.)Another fascinating thing about all this.

It sure reminds me how important setting our desire (or intent) is... and I stumble a lot on this part too. I know what I want....but how to word it correctly, often escapes me.

Sometimes, I meditate on it for several days before I decide how I want to word it, at least in English. I have a feeling once it's decided for the language, the rest is easier... because it's based on input/output values rather than wording. (I hope that made sense)
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If I am using cold analysis to determine a desire which I wish to represent, I remain neutral so that I can see clearly. But, I have also noted some sensations that run through me that I feel excited to capture as a set of icons. This is the programming code, I think. The more poignantly I can feel that sensation when choosing the representative icons, then the more accurate my EC string will be.

I, too, try to carefully consider what it is that I want. It takes a lot of honesty with your own self to really see the why's and wherefore's of your current perception and your motivations for wanting to change it.

Along with all of this, one needs to keep in mind the law of conservation of energy. Ecsys Prime. We are going to perceive what is the closest to our current perception. I seem to understand this pretty well in my sleeping dreams, but then get a bit befuddled with it in waking life.
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So you see all 5 symbols when you speak this string? And is the one you adjusted the meaning of, when the relatives showed up saying you owed money? You only changed the meaning to change the perception and not the string?
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Very observant. Yes. I only changed the meaning in order to remove that one particular element. I decided that I was satisfied with the original icons as they were.
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This is REALLY fascinating to me. By changing the meaning (logic), the perception changed, even though you used the same string.

Do you have any thoughts on this? For example, is it better to stay in neutral mode when determining the intended desired perception? Any other input?

Also, I guess it doesn't affect the string to change the intent. With the Genius maps, at one point, Chaol told us if we change the intent, we need to change the rest of the Genius. (Of course, I guess the Genius differs from the actual Ec language in how they manifest things.)Another fascinating thing about all this.

It sure reminds me how important setting our desire (or intent) is... and I stumble a lot on this part too. I know what I want....but how to word it correctly, often escapes me.

Sometimes, I meditate on it for several days before I decide how I want to word it, at least in English. I have a feeling once it's decided for the language, the rest is easier... because it's based on input/output values rather than wording. (I hope that made sense)
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If I am using cold analysis to determine a desire which I wish to represent, I remain neutral so that I can see clearly. But, I have also noted some sensations that run through me that I feel excited to capture as a set of icons. This is the programming code, I think. The more poignantly I can feel that sensation when choosing the representative icons, then the more accurate my EC string will be.

I, too, try to carefully consider what it is that I want. It takes a lot of honesty with your own self to really see the why's and wherefore's of your current perception and your motivations for wanting to change it.

Along with all of this, one needs to keep in mind the law of conservation of energy. Ecsys Prime. We are going to perceive what is the closest to our current perception. I seem to understand this pretty well in my sleeping dreams, but then get a bit befuddled with it in waking life.
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Right now, all I really care about is waking up in the dream world. But, figuring out how to get there from here...(the conservation of energy) is the hardest part for me. What is most logical for me is to become more lucid while dreaming.

At the same time, I understand that I have attachments here. Plus, Chaol said Ec or the Genius won't help you if you aren't changing your daily habits.

So, I finally decided that not thinking the same old thing is the best way to go....along with changing daily habits. It's surprising how much work just this is, ya know?

Another thing Chaol said is it's better to be attracted to something than trying to escape something. And to be honest, I have both going on. I want out of here and I've very attracted to there!!!!! So when deciding what words to make up, I am trying to figure what might work the easiest and be attractive to me.

The why's of my current perception are always intriguing. And I've played with it enough to know it all links to me, that's for sure.

Anyway, I like how you described your process. You seem very interactive with the icons. I'm still in left brain mode with this right now. It will switch but I don't know when. It seems I always start out learning something this way. In fact, I've been thinking I'd like to make a string that might help me make the switch.

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You are already in the dreamworld. We are simply interpreting our dream in a particular way, which makes it seem as if we are somewhere else. Apparently, it is the language we are using which makes one reality seem to be so different from another.

There is also something about Horus on the Horizon, both rising and setting. Something about Sekhmet, Lady of the Setting Sun, in the Great Hall underground, while her twin,The Sphinx, is on the surface, gazing at the rising sun.

I haven't figured this out yet, But there is something to it.

The leap that you are probably looking for is the full realization that you are non-physical. In fact, use of the EC language is especially difficult without some glimmer of this realization.
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You are already in the dreamworld. We are simply interpreting our dream in a particular way, which makes it seem as if we are somewhere else. Apparently, it is the language we are using which makes one reality seem to be so different from another.

There is also something about Horus on the Horizon, both rising and setting. Something about Sekhmet, Lady of the Setting Sun, in the Great Hall underground, while her twin,The Sphinx, is on the surface, gazing at the rising sun.

I haven't figured this out yet, But there is something to it.

The leap that you are probably looking for is the full realization that you are non-physical. In fact, use of the EC language is especially difficult without some glimmer of this realization.
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English is a left-brain language. Since I am a writer and editor, I've been deep in it! :o( Not to fear, I also am very creative, LOL!

There is also something about Sekhmet has been waiting for 30,000 years. I'm not sure what Chaol meant by that but I find it all intriguing. He also says the pyramids are being built now.

Oh yes, I'd love that leap of full realization I'm not physical. I wonder though, according to Chaol, this is almost impossible and too frightening. The fear of non-existence is what keeps us playing in illusion.

Chaol said to learn to use the Genius and it changes the mind so it's prepared for Ec.

Edit: I just remembered something else about the sun. Chaol said his sun looks like a comet to us. (I'm pretty sure that's what he said.)

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Hi! I'd be happy to share the string that is working so well for me.

Please be aware that this is for a feeling that I conjured up and then wrote a string that described the feeling. My interpretation using neuronicons may be different from the way someone else may see it.

If you can access a page of neuronicons with their pronounciations, the icons I am using are: SIT, TOO, SUN, MY, and PIG, spoken as "I-OO-SUN-Y-P".

The perception I am after goes like this: "Meh. Money. I have a good income with very little effort, doing things that I like to do. There's plenty there if I need it to buy a plane ticket or something where the only recourse is to spend money on it. There are no bills since there are no debts. Bills are irrelevant. I lack for nothing."
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This string continues to work very well for me. I have run into another surprise stack of money.

My husband and I own a very, very small business. We earn just enough to pay the bills and buy food. Both of us are simple enough and humble enough to where this is adequate. In the past five years, we have never turned a profit and so never paid any federal taxes.

Well, this year we DID turn a profit. $2000! I have just finished the tax return and this is the first time we have ever had to pay a self-employment tax. $24! Now, here's the thing: since our profit is so small, the IRS is returning most of it back to us as an Earned Income Credit. I think this is pretty funny. Not only do we not owe any taxes (again), but the IRS is going to give back to us the bulk of our puny little profit.

This is totally unexpected. I really don't even need the money. But, this is how this EC string has been altering my perception.
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Intent. If there are four forces and I use the genius method to change my reality, where does intent come from? How does intent fit into changing a reality? What does it do?
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Your intent is illustrated in all 4 forces. It becomes your interpretation of the 4 forces into your reality.

Your intent would be in:

the symbols you pick
the way you allow your symbols to interact
the potential energy you use
the rules you set up

In effect, your new reality becomes a property of these things you have chosen.

Just like your current reality is an aggregate property of the symbols around you.
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This is a good reminder for me.
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In your system, what are dreams, anyway? Why does there seem to be such a disconnect between dreams and waking reality?

If I dream of living on a tropical island, I still wake up in my home in the middle of a big city. Shouldn't I wake up on a tropical island?
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But you are waking up on a tropical island.

You just don't realize it.

What you probably want to do is experience it with your waking mind.

It's possible to get to a point where you choose the kind of things you want to experience and/or to have control over your experiences.

The disconnect is in the symbols you are using.

That's it. It's the only thing. The symbols are the starting point to everything else.

Learn new symbols and you will have different experiences.


Learn the symbols of perception and you will be able to interface directly with your perception (a.k.a. changing your reality as you wish).

Use the Genius more and you will learn how to change your reality faster and faster when you learn how to create symbols on-the-fly (and interact with those symbols, etc).

By the way, dreams are just a different "flavor" of your perception.

The different flavors are the effect of using the different symbols.
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Sure sinks in deeper the second time reading this.
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<<our brains cannot deal or do anything about the inforamtion you are posting, our human genome would have to change drasticly for this to take effect and could not take place in a measly 30 years or do like you suggested.>>

A short story in response to this statement. I read the thread from September 2009 when it was first posted back then. I read the website that was linked therein. At the time, I thought, "well. huh."

Three days ago (its now late November 2010), I came across my bookmark for the site and lazily began scanning it. It had been over a year since I had first looked at it. This time, however, my jaw dropped at the information in there. I was astounded at how pertinent it all was!

I think that our understanding is evolving. I don't really know why...that all of a sudden...OP's philosophy took me by storm, but if you will just give it time, you, too, may feel very, very interested in it. I think that we can absorb it. I don't think that it is beyond our ken.

(btw, this is not a paid advertisement. I'm not a groupie, either. I'm just telling you about my experience.)
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Hi.

Thanks. Yes, and at this point the evolution will be quite rapid.

Your world will change right before your eyes.


For some of us, the more we understand the fundamentals of how something comes about the better we can understand everything else.
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Posted in 2010 and Chaol says we have numerous nexus points this year, 2013!
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Hi! I'd be happy to share the string that is working so well for me.

Please be aware that this is for a feeling that I conjured up and then wrote a string that described the feeling. My interpretation using neuronicons may be different from the way someone else may see it.

If you can access a page of neuronicons with their pronounciations, the icons I am using are: SIT, TOO, SUN, MY, and PIG, spoken as "I-OO-SUN-Y-P".

The perception I am after goes like this: "Meh. Money. I have a good income with very little effort, doing things that I like to do. There's plenty there if I need it to buy a plane ticket or something where the only recourse is to spend money on it. There are no bills since there are no debts. Bills are irrelevant. I lack for nothing."
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This string continues to work very well for me. I have run into another surprise stack of money.

My husband and I own a very, very small business. We earn just enough to pay the bills and buy food. Both of us are simple enough and humble enough to where this is adequate. In the past five years, we have never turned a profit and so never paid any federal taxes.

Well, this year we DID turn a profit. $2000! I have just finished the tax return and this is the first time we have ever had to pay a self-employment tax. $24! Now, here's the thing: since our profit is so small, the IRS is returning most of it back to us as an Earned Income Credit. I think this is pretty funny. Not only do we not owe any taxes (again), but the IRS is going to give back to us the bulk of our puny little profit.

This is totally unexpected. I really don't even need the money. But, this is how this EC string has been altering my perception.
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You don't know how tempted I am to try your string, but I know it doesn't work that way. Congratulations to you, though.

Do you mind telling me how long you've been using this string?

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