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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
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we are non-physical beings, you...
stop this shit,
for you are lost.
god is human,
not a ghost.
And the Creation is above him, mate.
Don't spin in emptiness your fate.
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Interesting.

It sounds plausible.

What shall we do next?
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Hi chaol,

With the EC characters when you have a collective string to produce the desired outcome,

does the outputs of one character flow as an input of the next and so on to the end similar to transistor logic?
or
are the outputs independent of them selves and the total collective of outputs produce the outcome similar to a logic gate?

Thanks


Hi.

When used as mental computers or for programming, each icon is like a logic gate to serve as an instruction (We can also network them together.) The outputs of an icon do not affect the input of the one previous.

When used for translation, each icon is like a definition. There are standard definitions and also you can have your own personal definition. (For example, if how you value a certain word or concept is different from the standard.)
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Hi Chaol,

So if i understand you correctly,

The EC symbols represent a possibility with its own relationship to the four forces and we just decide which outputs we need to achieve the desired goal or is each character set for a specific purpose.

Please help to clarify?

Thanks
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Just an FYI.. we are working on some software for Android phones and tablets that we call "The Magic Mirror of Chaos". We plan to release it before the end of the year.

It is an app that will allow you to easily perceive aspects of other worlds as they happen. At the same time, you are training your brain to pick up on these energies in your everyday reality. (Or, more accurately, letting your brain know that you don't want it filtered out.)

A gateway to other dimensions, if you will.

We are trying to move out of the "talking about it stage" to the "doing it" stage using readily available tools. (You'll also probably want one other item from Home Depot or a similar store to enhance the experience.)

We could talk about it for ages, of course. But that wouldn't really do much for you. Let's do it!

Time is of the essence, it is said. Things will be changing quite rapidly from the release of Ecsys v2 and exponentially from the release of Ecsys v3.

I will let you know when it is available.
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Hi Chaol,

So if i understand you correctly,

The EC symbols represent a possibility with its own relationship to the four forces and we just decide which outputs we need to achieve the desired goal or is each character set for a specific purpose.

Please help to clarify?

Thanks
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Hi.

A string of icons represents the perception. It is the code to the perception. If you know how to interpret the code (by understanding the values) then you can perceive what is behind the code.

Because EC is a type of interface with your perception the meaning of each symbol should be unique to you. You can share these "programs" with others for reference but it will probably work in a somewhat different way.

Use the Genius to achieve goals and EC to change your perspective.

The difference:

The Genius is like the map to the goal that automatically drives you to the destinations (when used).

EC re-maps your brain entirely so that you can perceive things differently.

Just imagine a world without spoken/written language and you're trying to tell the people about the benefits of using a spoken/written language.

Quite an impossible task, as you need the language in order to express the benefits.

Without English (or whatever) not only would you not understand much of what is going on you would perceive of reality in a completely different way.

It is because of language that we can perceive.

New language = new perceptions

Entirely new language = entirely new perceptions

The language of perception = limitless possibilities, because you are able to "control" what you perceive
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[snips]
It is because of language that we can perceive.

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And feel, and think, etc.

Some science behind this: [link to www.physorg.com] and [link to www.cs.indiana.edu] etc

Simply put, as related to this... Learn the language of X and you can perceive much more of what X perceives.
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Just an FYI.. we are working on some software for Android phones and tablets that we call "The Magic Mirror of Chaos". We plan to release it before the end of the year.

It is an app that will allow you to easily perceive aspects of other worlds as they happen. At the same time, you are training your brain to pick up on these energies in your everyday reality. (Or, more accurately, letting your brain know that you don't want it filtered out.)

A gateway to other dimensions, if you will.

We are trying to move out of the "talking about it stage" to the "doing it" stage using readily available tools. (You'll also probably want one other item from Home Depot or a similar store to enhance the experience.)

We could talk about it for ages, of course. But that wouldn't really do much for you. Let's do it!

Time is of the essence, it is said. Things will be changing quite rapidly from the release of Ecsys v2 and exponentially from the release of Ecsys v3.

I will let you know when it is available.
 Quoting: Chaol



Music to my ears!!!

Will i definitely need a android phone or tablet?

And please give warning before we need the home depot thing
as i have been studying this stuff since your first post and i really want to make it work!!!

Thanks again for all your work!!!!
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Music to my ears!!!

Will i definitely need a android phone or tablet?

And please give warning before we need the home depot thing
as i have been studying this stuff since your first post and i really want to make it work!!!

Thanks again for all your work!!!!
 Quoting: Vegatech


+5!!

Some of us are very excited about all of this and very grateful for all of the information.

Thanks so much for answering our questions so patiently. It becomes more clear all the time.

The hardest part is waiting for what appears to be a very curious future.
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A string of icons represents the perception. It is the code to the perception. If you know how to interpret the code (by understanding the values) then you can perceive what is behind the code.
 Quoting: Chaol


Recently, I read a different interpretation of the Egyptian "Eye of Horus" in which it was described as representing the concept of "maat" where the meaning behind an object or event was sought in order to comprehend the physical manifestation. I've since incorporated this word "maat" and the concept into my everyday living.


It is because of language that we can perceive.

New language = new perceptions

Entirely new language = entirely new perceptions

The language of perception = limitless possibilities, because you are able to "control" what you perceive

The author Jane Roberts transcribed information from Seth back in the 1970's in which Seth expounds quite a bit on this very notion: that language can limit our world.
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There are no powers that be. There are only the powers that seem to be.
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I suspected as much.

btw, I was only minimally effected by 9/11. I did, however, take notice of its effects on others around me and how that particular event still effects others to this day. Bunch of insane reactions, IMHO.
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[snips]
It is because of language that we can perceive.



And feel, and think, etc.

Some science behind this: [link to www.physorg.com] and [link to www.cs.indiana.edu] etc

Simply put, as related to this... Learn the language of X and you can perceive much more of what X perceives.
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Something that is bothering me about these scientific articles regarding perception is the assumption that there is something "out there" whose photons or light rays or whatever are entering the eye and then being re-interpreted by the brain.

It is my experience, that it is the other way around. That what we see inside is projected outside of ourselves and then observed and translated.

OP, you have already stated that there is no physical, so you know what I am getting at. It is all inside.

(also, I am aware that fundamentally there is no "inside" or "outside". But, you know what I am referring to. Guess it is a perspective, eh?
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Music to my ears!!!

Will i definitely need a android phone or tablet?

And please give warning before we need the home depot thing
as i have been studying this stuff since your first post and i really want to make it work!!!

Thanks again for all your work!!!!
 Quoting: Vegatech


Good idea! We will also make sure it's available as a Flash app through your browser. It seems to work best laying on a bed with your eyes open, but I suppose that if one is sitting at their computer or laptop it could also work the same.

Version 1 of the Magic Mirror of Chaos will probably be a simple version with the basic structure.

Version 2 will probably allow users to create 'profiles' that other people can try and also comment on their experiences in.

(The extra device from Home Depot is just a type of light bulb. About $2-4 each)

A very crude and simple neuronic device, but it seems to work. Baby steps!

The best part, from user feedback so far, is being able to perceive of these other worlds with your eyes open.

It will also allow you to perceive more of how you perceive. Meaning, you can see more of the geometry of relationships.

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Music to my ears!!!

Will i definitely need a android phone or tablet?

And please give warning before we need the home depot thing
as i have been studying this stuff since your first post and i really want to make it work!!!

Thanks again for all your work!!!!


Good idea! We will also make sure it's available as a Flash app through your browser. It seems to work best laying on a bed with your eyes open, but I suppose that if one is sitting at their computer or laptop it could also work the same.

Version 1 of the Magic Mirror of Chaos will probably be a simple version with the basic structure.

Version 2 will probably allow users to create 'profiles' that other people can try and also comment on their experiences in.

(The extra device from Home Depot is just a type of light bulb. About $2-4 each)

A very crude and simple neuronic device, but it seems to work. Baby steps!

The best part, from user feedback so far, is being able to perceive of these other worlds with your eyes open.

It will also allow you to perceive more of how you perceive. Meaning, you can see more of the geometry of relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol


How exciting!
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A string of icons represents the perception. It is the code to the perception. If you know how to interpret the code (by understanding the values) then you can perceive what is behind the code.

Recently, I read a different interpretation of the Egyptian "Eye of Horus" in which it was described as representing the concept of "maat" where the meaning behind an object or event was sought in order to comprehend the physical manifestation. I've since incorporated this word "maat" and the concept into my everyday living.


It is because of language that we can perceive.

New language = new perceptions

Entirely new language = entirely new perceptions

The language of perception = limitless possibilities, because you are able to "control" what you perceive

The author Jane Roberts transcribed information from Seth back in the 1970's in which Seth expounds quite a bit on this very notion: that language can limit our world.
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Yeah. It's interesting how the original meaning can be completely lost from a new perspective.

The ancient world is nothing like what we think it is. It could be said that we've lost internal understanding as we developed external tools.

I suppose we consider the utility of the tool to serve a greater purpose than expressing the meaning of the tool. Easier to sell, to be sure.
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<<There are no powers that be. There are only the powers that seem to be.>>


I suspected as much.

btw, I was only minimally effected by 9/11. I did, however, take notice of its effects on others around me and how that particular event still effects others to this day. Bunch of insane reactions, IMHO.
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May I ask, how much was the world around you affected by it?
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Something that is bothering me about these scientific articles regarding perception is the assumption that there is something "out there" whose photons or light rays or whatever are entering the eye and then being re-interpreted by the brain.

It is my experience, that it is the other way around. That what we see inside is projected outside of ourselves and then observed and translated.

OP, you have already stated that there is no physical, so you know what I am getting at. It is all inside.

(also, I am aware that fundamentally there is no "inside" or "outside". But, you know what I am referring to. Guess it is a perspective, eh?
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I often hear people talk about how they believe that they create their own reality but don't see how they create what they think of as the negative things.

Perhaps they think when their body gets sick, somehow they did not make it so.

That when they stub their toe, somehow it was the object's fault or they simply didn't see it.

It's not that these things are created in their reality. Or that they create their reality. Nothing is really created. But everything is perceived.

Creation doesn't exist. We use these terms to reference some other process.

If we write a poem, for example, we're not creating something new. We're simply exploring relationships. The words were already there but it becomes relevant to us because we are creating a poem for ourselves.

When something new happens, it is the same thing. You are exploring a relationship. The elements were there already but you are in a way "seeing what happens" when you combine one thing with another thing.

It doesn't actually matter what you perceive, as long as you perceive something.

The idea is to "form relationships". However, the value of each relationship is not the same as the perception of it.

In this sense, at times it may be "better" to perceive of something you consider very bad than something very good.

You're looking at the shape of the relationship, not what your brain interprets the relationship to look like today.

What do we perceive? We perceive of things most relative to us in the here/now. Things not as relative to us are more distant in time/space.

So, your body is most relative to your perspective. So it seems that it's always following you around. Your toes are not as relative to your perspective as your nose and mouth are, and are further away in distance.

Your watch is sometimes relative to your perspective so you may only wear it sometimes.

Your workplace is less relative to your perspective, so it is even more distant.

And so on...

However, it is about the value rather than the perception. The place you grew up or went to school may be very relative to your current perspective but be distant in time space. But what you don't see is that the "shape" of your school or hometown is still around you in a different form.

So, actually, when we are reading a scientific article about how we perceive we must ask ourselves, "What is it that we're doing?";

Are we reading an article or exploring our own values?

When we perceive of a distant object, is it that the photons from the object are hitting the cells in our eyes or that the distant object is us; a less-relative value in our perspective and we only interpret distance in such a way?
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May I ask, how much was the world around you affected by it?
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The world around me showed an increase in security measures, including having to take off your shoes at the airport check-in; there was a wave of extreme patriotism amongst the Americans; and there was an irrational fear of people from the Mideastern countries. Our politicians went nuts with passing the Patriot Act. Then, they marched our armies into overseas nations, all with the justification that "they were terrorists". This is what I observed.

Are you going to say that what I am perceiving is of my own making? That, perhaps, I am resisting my perceptions?

In that case, I am having difficulty in understanding how it is that I do not feel any fear at all: not of airplanes being commandeered, not of foreigners of any culture, not of my office building being blown up, and I certainly do not fear (nor hate) politicians. I feel very removed from fear and hatefulness. It's as if it belongs to somebody else, but not me.

I understand that this is the appearance of the world that I am living in since 9/11, but it has minimal effect on how I live my life. Truly.
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So, actually, when we are reading a scientific article about how we perceive we must ask ourselves, "What is it that we're doing?";

Are we reading an article or exploring our own values?

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Heavy. Thanks.

And I do definitely consider all of this at times. Everything that you've written above.

More specifically, sometimes I agree with what I'm reading, and I say, "Oh. This is right on. This is how I feel about it, too." Then, other times, when I disagree, I ask myself, "Now where, from within my mind, is this coming from if I don't even agree with it? Why is it even in my perception (or reality. I'm using your jargon)?"

I understand your rap about values. I do, really. I often ponder "values". This is an important subject for me.
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Yeah. It's interesting how the original meaning can be completely lost from a new perspective.

The ancient world is nothing like what we think it is. It could be said that we've lost internal understanding as we developed external tools.
[snips]

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For example...

If you were to travel back in time 20 years and visit your relatives they would see you as being "alien". The world of 20 years ago is exceedingly different than the world of today, as are the cognitive processes that were used. (More accurately, the values you would need are very different. There's only you, and the illusion of traveling to the past.)

To yourself, you seem pretty darn human. But to them, you are a strange being with strange behaviours, perceptual abilities, thoughts, knowledge, understanding, tools, etc.

The brain picks up on all these signals and tries to filter them out while providing a composite of what it thinks you are.

Even though you think you remember what it was like 20 years ago, you actually have no idea. You may be in shock as to the difference between what you think of the past and more of what is actually there.

The past you remember is actually a value in your present.

Or, you could say, we re-interpret our past into our present perspective.

Similar to a human being being misinterpreted as an alien, we could say that past civilizations (like Ancient Egypt) are misinterpreted as being past civilizations.

The civilizations are still very much alive. They are shapes in our present reality.

Imagine that we could magically translate all of humanity into a sitcom on television show about cats. Anyone watching and understanding the show would see cats, but there would be a deeper meaning involved that would resonate with the viewers.

Now imagine an ancient civilization as our present civilization re-interpreted.

When we look at Ancient Egypt, for example, we are perceiving not a dead culture, technology, place, etc., but a value in the present.

Ancient Egypt, Rome, Maya, etc., are not in the past. They are in the present.

They are the present civilizations translated into different "languages" (for lack of a better term).

But because the shape is so different we think of them as being more distant in time/space, and thus appear ancient and strange (like you would to your previous self appear).
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The world around me showed an increase in security measures, including having to take off your shoes at the airport check-in; there was a wave of extreme patriotism amongst the Americans; and there was an irrational fear of people from the Mideastern countries. Our politicians went nuts with passing the Patriot Act. Then, they marched our armies into overseas nations, all with the justification that "they were terrorists". This is what I observed.

Are you going to say that what I am perceiving is of my own making? That, perhaps, I am resisting my perceptions?

In that case, I am having difficulty in understanding how it is that I do not feel any fear at all: not of airplanes being commandeered, not of foreigners of any culture, not of my office building being blown up, and I certainly do not fear (nor hate) politicians. I feel very removed from fear and hatefulness. It's as if it belongs to somebody else, but not me.

I understand that this is the appearance of the world that I am living in since 9/11, but it has minimal effect on how I live my life. Truly.
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Perceptions are feelings.

The most-relative parts of you may not feel these things because the less-relative parts already express these feelings.

They're still your perceptions, even if you don't agree with them.

You don't need to feel it, as other 'parts of you' are feeling it for you.

We cannot help but resist things, and this is completely natural. We need to resist.

(Actually, we resist everything in order to exist. But that's a different discussion entirely.)

Something could have a minimal effect on the most-relative-you but have a larger effect on the least-relative-you.

It's all a matter of perspective :)

It only really matters when we think of some things as bad and others good, etc. Meaning, we don't care when the "big event" is a new technology even when it has a greater effect on the way we live.

9/11 is actually no more important than 5/2 or the cookies in the cabinet. It has no extra value by itself. What matters is how a certain thing changes the values of other things, like a stone dropping in water.

And these things would have changed their value regardless of whether or not a particular event happened. Meaning, it is not 9/11 that brought about the experience of 9/11. (There was no stone dropping in the water. The waves in the water aligned in such a way that the illusion of the stone was dropped. It is our mind that fills in the blank and shows us the stone. To stretch your mind even further, it is our mind that fills in the blank and shows us the water.)

Meaning, 9/11 would have happened even if 9/11 didn't happen. And for this, we have reached the edge of the English language :)

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[snips]

I understand your rap about values. I do, really. I often ponder "values". This is an important subject for me.
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I should clarify for some others reading.

"Values" more like variables than moral values.

When you explore your own values you are exploring the possibilities and how one thing relates to an other.

Thanks.
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[snips]

I understand your rap about values. I do, really. I often ponder "values". This is an important subject for me.


I should clarify for some others reading.

"Values" more like variables than moral values.

When you explore your own values you are exploring the possibilities and how one thing relates to an other.

Thanks.
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Yes. I did not mean "moral values" either, although those considerations do offer themselves up for examination at times.

I meant "values" as in states of being.
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Perceptions are feelings.
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This is the first time you've said this, that I am aware of.
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How is it that we can perceive things that we do not agree with?

Let's take an example.

Why is it that you are doing Xie right now?

You probably don't know what I'm talking about because there is nothing to support Xie in this world.

When we have something that defines Xie then we can imagine all kinds of activities surrounding Xie. Good stuff, bad stuff, etc.

Further:

without the idea of time the would be no clocks, as we could not imagine the usefulness of such a device.

without the idea of law enforcement there would be no one breaking the laws, because no one could imagine how the laws could be broken.

without the idea of certain religions there would be no sins, because no one could imagine how to sin as "sin" would not be defined.

A clock depends on time, a criminal depends on the law, sin depends on its religion, etc.

However, the opposite is also true. The existence of time depends on time-keeping mechanisms. The law depends on criminals to define it. Religion depends on sin and other aspects of its use in order that it may exist.

Each needs the other in order that it may be defined.

If you were to create a world from scratch and place in it only the "good" things then eventually some of those good things would then turn "bad" in your perception because you need a way to perceive of other things, i.e., to create relationships.

So, we are left with intentionally disagreeing with the things we perceive in order to define the things we do agree with.

[Note: The above is a very simplified explanation of the dependencies of perception. There are a multitude of other factors at play, but the idea is the same.]
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Why does everyone want so much to leave the physical and go borg?
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Perceptions are feelings.


This is the first time you've said this, that I am aware of.
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When we feel something it is not independent from our perspective, it is because of it.

We cannot choose to feel sad in an instant, for example. We must first change the 'geometry of relationships' by doing or thinking of something that reflects this property.

Everything that exists does so within your perception, including thoughts, feelings, people, events, etc. These things are the perceptions.

Physically expressed it could be one chemical in relation to an other, or two objects placed in a certain way. But it's all about the non-physical relationships.
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Why does everyone want so much to leave the physical and go borg?
NERDS.
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The Borg are non-physical? I should re-watch my Star Trek episcopodes.

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You don't need to feel it, as other 'parts of you' are feeling it for you.

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So, when I come to this forum and there are posters hating on Muslims and gays, condemning the president, anticipating wars and other various forms of doom, but I don't feel this way at all, that they are actually other parts of me that have those feelings?
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Perceptions are feelings.


This is the first time you've said this, that I am aware of.


When we feel something it is not independent from our perspective, it is because of it.

We cannot choose to feel sad in an instant, for example. We must first change the 'geometry of relationships' by doing or thinking of something that reflects this property.

Everything that exists does so within your perception, including thoughts, feelings, people, events, etc. These things are the perceptions.

Physically expressed it could be one chemical in relation to an other, or two objects placed in a certain way. But it's all about the non-physical relationships.
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Yes! This is what I have been playing around with. I notice that I can deliberately choose my feeling and that everything around me changes.

And, like you were saying earlier, it is the feelings and perceptions that I don't like which motivate me to find a feeling that I do like.

But, I notice that the feeling comes first, followed by the outside changes. I work on developing the feeling, knowing that everything else changes in accord with it.
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Intent=ituition,based on electro response.(core-intent)moves mountains,take care

Intent. If there are four forces and I use the genius method to change my reality, where does intent come from? How does intent fit into changing a reality? What does it do?
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Intent=ituition,based on electro response.(core-intent)moves mountains,take care


Intent. If there are four forces and I use the genius method to change my reality, where does intent come from? How does intent fit into changing a reality? What does it do?

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Ha ha. You're in Switzerland? You don't want anybody to haphazardly move the Alps, do you? Just because they've figured out intent and now feel like moving a mountain?

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