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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
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The easiest way to become non-physical (or, more accurately, to remember that you are not actually bound to physicality) is to practice what we call the Code of Ecsys.

There are 4 codes:

Code of ThohT
Make your thoughts and desires physical in a small way. Symbolize your internal reality in your physical reality.

This means making use of the Genius: [link to ecsys.org]

No need to start out doing this every day. At first, try it once. Then see if you can understand how it works. A few days later, try it again.

The point of this exercise is to slowly show yourself how you come to experience your reality.

Code of Chaos
Be honest with the people and things around you. The more transparent you are the more you are connecting with your perceptions.

You're not fooling your perceptions! The more honest you are with your own perceptions the quicker you can peer through the veil of reality to see how it really is.

When you are dishonest with the things, places, people, etc, you perceive you are being dishonest with your own perceptions. Meaning, you are hiding from yourself. So then you don't actually want to see how things are.

The point of this exercise is to realize that you are the same as what you perceive.

Code of Kosmosis
Explore what is outside of your usual perspective. Do things you would not ordinarily do.

Your reality fits your definition of it.

If you say you are X and X is how things happen, then your perspective will grow into it as your re-inforcing views take shape.

Get out of your shell! Redefine your reality by being flexible not only about who and what you are but the world around you.

When you open your mind to different possibilities you are expanding your perspective. Essentially you are slowly adopting the view that anything could be anything. The things you perceive become more unified and start to hold the same values.. it all becomes one thing: your perception.

The point of this exercise is to realize that everything is in everything else.

Code of Orbia
Respect the logic of others. Try to understand whatever you resist. Exercise 'unlogic' by asking yourself, “How could I be wrong?”

Things that many of us don't want to do: see the other side of the coin about our strongest beliefs.

Start small. Make a list of some things you believe and try to see it for its opposite.

This is not to say that you should start believing in the opposite of whatever your beliefs are. See the logic of the things you don't believe in. If may not make sense to you but it makes sense to somebody.

Then ask yourself how you could be wrong about the things you believe in. Start small and work your way up to your core beliefs.

The point of this exercise is to understand that there is not just one kind of logic or right answer. There are no right answers. Each answer is perfectly attuned to its complete environment, including your own answers and closely-held beliefs.

1+1 is not "2". It is irrelevant. It only matters when we value "1" in a particular way and see the world in a particular way.

Does this mean that bad things are good? No, it means that the question or good and bad are irrelevant when we don't know how something really is.

It's all your perception. If some of your perceptions are good while others are bad then it is difficult to see your reality as a single perspective.

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Want my holoband like in Caprica! It's a direct neural communication device of the future!


Sounds interesting. But not sure why the interface goes through the eyes.

Science fiction has been the primary cause of much of the technological progress of the last few centuries, and I think these types of devices are being worked on now.

The problem with discovering new technology, however, is that we tend to want to integrate old concepts into new ones.

Artificial intelligence, for example, is generally thought of a being a singular intelligence.

The AI of the future (most probably) is more like a piece of software with multiple personalities and various interfaces to physically express or interpret itself if it wants to. It is then given the freedom to create and destroy the various personalities as it sees fit.

Not sure how a direct neural interface in the next couple of years will work, but of the probable distant future (say, 5 years) it is manufactured on a molecular basis and integrated into physical objects and materials, for those who are not comfortable using more abstract methods.

A piece of granite kitchen counter-top, for example, is reconfigured to function within a network and act as a computing device and receive instructions via the network of which your brain is part.

It sounds fantastical, but you already have the technology. It's just a matter of putting the pieces together and mass producing it.

Closer than you realize.
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Holoband is a concept how pure neural interface would work, and replace eyes, ears and body senses with information from digital sources, and also intercept body movements and speech before they are expressed by the body, and digitize and transfer that information to control the avatar.

iPhone already has virtual reality applications, which integrate digital reality with the camera picture, and show this information layered on screen and it responces to the camera movements showing information that is available where you point the camera.

Nokia has a prototype (helmet size) which uses vr-glasses that interlace virtual reality on the vision, and a concept-model where this technology comes in eyeglasses.

Ok. Give it 10 years to mature and we have Holoband prototype, sort of similar device Manfred Macx uses in Accelerando scifi. 10 years more and we'll get some neural interfaces added.

20 more years and we'll have almost full Holoband. During these 40 years of development also computers, artificial intelligence, 3d rendering, storage, speed, memory, autonomic agents, robotics, neural implant-interfaces, wireless internet and cloud-computing have progressed rapidly.

I think Caprica's vision of future is on very sound base. That's the future. Prepare for it. Add maybe few decades for the blueprint, but it's coming.
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Hi Chaol,

I have some questions regarding the EC characters

1. Why does the input and output lines vary in length like the 13,14,15 characters have the input all at different lengths?

2. Is there a reason for changing the names of the elements from the original web site to this one

i.e Axon to Aom & Ion to i/oh


3. How do i correctly pronounce Thoht the god of symbol and i am very confused as to why his opposing key is Absolution


Thanks
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In the alternate Earth where I am from, we use something called neuronics.

Neuronics is a way to influence neurons and other cells in the human body to change what you experience.

Any cell in a biological body can become a neuron, and any cell in the body can thus be influenced using neuronics.

It is like your electronics here, where devices are 'powered by neuronics'.

In the electric field surrounding each cell there is 15 million volts of energy per meter, approximately 500% more than a bolt of lightning. (See [link to www.technologyreview.com] )

You use electronic devices to influence electrons in particular ways, and so we have devices that influence neurons.

You have televisions, alarm clocks, robots, computers, and other devices. We have an array of similar devices that we use to change our reality.

Most of you would call such technology teleportation, materialization/dematerialization, time-shifting and time travel, etc. We're not changing anything physically by using these devices, just changing perception.

(There is no physicality.)

Many of us in my world live non-physically. That is to say, we are not bound by physical constraints.

In this world, you're moving quickly towards this point.

Neuronics is one way to live as a human, but not live in a human body. (Strangely enough, your body is not human. It's more than 90% microbes.)
 Quoting: Chaol

So are you and fellow energies(people)(on your planet) a singularity. Like a hive mind? Or individual? If individual, then how are you separated by uniqueness or freewill, if not housed in a body? or vehicle of some sort.

I guess, I believe we are all energies of different frequencies, but in order to express our energies we must implant into a body, vehicle or matter of some sort.Depending on the matter our energy selects is the functions we are able to utilize while encased. As with a human suit we are able to do quite a bit more than say an amoeba.


How would you be typing if not encased by a body or have you implanted yourself recently or born into this body?

ALways questions?
Looking for answers
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Hi Chaol,

I have some questions regarding the EC characters

1. Why does the input and output lines vary in length like the 13,14,15 characters have the input all at different lengths?

2. Is there a reason for changing the names of the elements from the original web site to this one

i.e Axon to Aom & Ion to i/oh


3. How do i correctly pronounce Thoht the god of symbol and i am very confused as to why his opposing key is Absolution


Thanks
 Quoting: Vegatech


Hi.

1. That's because the outputs are in different places. Actually, it doesn't matter how long the lines are because there are only 3 variations: box-line, line by itself, or line-box. So you can still read it even if the lines are shorter than they are in the image.

2. The names were changed slightly to make the pronunciation more exact.

3. "ThohT" is pronounced "thought". It's also a palindrome and a play on the Egyptian force "Thoth". The opposing key is absolution because symbols are representations. The opposite of that would be an absolute symbol, which does not exist. There are no real absolutes when everything is a representation.

Surely :)

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So are you and fellow energies(people)(on your planet) a singularity. Like a hive mind? Or individual? If individual, then how are you separated by uniqueness or freewill, if not housed in a body? or vehicle of some sort.

I guess, I believe we are all energies of different frequencies, but in order to express our energies we must implant into a body, vehicle or matter of some sort.Depending on the matter our energy selects is the functions we are able to utilize while encased. As with a human suit we are able to do quite a bit more than say an amoeba.

How would you be typing if not encased by a body or have you implanted yourself recently or born into this body?

ALways questions?
Looking for answers
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Hi.

We have a different idea of physicality. One that is more flexible than being confined to a seemingly-organic form.

We are not part of a singularity or singular thing any more than you are. We are individuals who have forms and bodies, although

In the world I am from most of us maintain our physical form and don't really care about being non-physical. Physicality is an illusion and it is a fine illusion serving a purpose.

However, some of us (myself included) live with more awareness that we are not confined to our physical forms.

I came here because I thought it would be interesting to experience this change taking place, where some people "consciously" become non-physical (or, more accurately, realize that they weren't physical to begin with and exercise control over what form they take and how they experience things).

We need not be housed in anything (vehicle, body, etc) when we are assuming a non-physical form. It is more about relativity. For example, a particular frequency of light could be considered a type of individual consciousness even though it is intimately connected with others.

Not much different from how you are now.

The only difference is that we're more aware of it and we make more use of this understanding. While I am in this Earth for other reasons, I've decided to give some information on how to assume non-physical form (and keep it) the same way you do every time you sleep.

You are actually fluctuating between different forms as you read this but you're not aware of it.
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I always thought 9/11 was no different than a bannana, my perception was stuffed up!
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Hi.

We have a different idea of physicality. One that is more flexible than being confined to a seemingly-organic form.

We are not part of a singularity or singular thing any more than you are. We are individuals who have forms and bodies, although

In the world I am from most of us maintain our physical form and don't really care about being non-physical. Physicality is an illusion and it is a fine illusion serving a purpose.

However, some of us (myself included) live with more awareness that we are not confined to our physical forms.

I came here because I thought it would be interesting to experience this change taking place, where some people "consciously" become non-physical (or, more accurately, realize that they weren't physical to begin with and exercise control over what form they take and how they experience things).

We need not be housed in anything (vehicle, body, etc) when we are assuming a non-physical form. It is more about relativity. For example, a particular frequency of light could be considered a type of individual consciousness even though it is intimately connected with others.

Not much different from how you are now.

The only difference is that we're more aware of it and we make more use of this understanding. While I am in this Earth for other reasons, I've decided to give some information on how to assume non-physical form (and keep it) the same way you do every time you sleep.

You are actually fluctuating between different forms as you read this but you're not aware of it.
 Quoting: Chaol

Thank you

hf
I look forward to recognizing and attaining back to where you are now.
The Truth will set you free.
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[snips]

I think Caprica's vision of future is on very sound base. That's the future. Prepare for it. Add maybe few decades for the blueprint, but it's coming.
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The rate of technological change here is accelerating, not remaining static or decreasing.

For example, tools that took 1,000,000 years to evolve before now take mere seconds.

What takes 1 year to do in 2010 will take mere days in 2011.

2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and beyond will be completely unrecognizable from today.

"True" artificial intelligence and many technologies science says is 50-100 years away exists in a few years.

Here, people see the future from the present perspective.

For example, just 10 years ago it would have been quite difficult to think that much of what is happening in the world in 2010 was even possible, much less a way of life.

Just last year, who would have imagined that sexual assault at airports would be accepted? Imagine such a thing happening on street corners, libraries, shopping malls, at random. Imagine airports being locked down for hours or days at a time while everyone is searched and that this is a way of life.

Physical neuronic devices will not be successful until well after non-physical ones are. (Imagine the possibilities with businesses and government.)
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(The extra device from Home Depot is just a type of light bulb. About $2-4 each)
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What type of light bulb?
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In the alternate Earth where I am from, we use something called neuronics.

Neuronics is a way to influence neurons and other cells in the human body to change what you experience.


In the actual Earth where you and I are from, we use something called psilocybe cubensis.

Psilocybe cubensis is a way to influence neurons and other cells in the human body to change what you experience.
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LMAO
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<<(The extra device from Home Depot is just a type of light bulb. About $2-4 each)>>


What type of light bulb?
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It fits in a standard socket, but more info about this will come around the time of release.
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In the alternate Earth where I am from, we use something called neuronics.





Most of you would call such technology teleportation, materialization/dematerialization, time-shifting and time travel, etc. We're not changing anything physically by using these devices, just changing perception.


Neuronics is one way to live as a human, but not live in a human body. (Strangely enough, your body is not human. It's more than 90% microbes.)
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Good god. I would think such an advanced alien race would be a bit smarter. Nice try though.

Bacteria is the word you are looking for, not microbes.

You sound like a scientologist, or similar ilk. Shut up. You haven't the faintest what the hell you are talking about but are content to use made up words and throw around words you don't comprehend under the guise of sounding deep or intelligent.
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In the alternate Earth where I am from,


enough said jerkit

love the sociopaths on this site though
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ah yes, but they give themselves a way a bit........and it is most amusing to try and figure out who they are and what their agenda really is......
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In the actual Earth where you and I are from, we use something called psilocybe cubensis.

Psilocybe cubensis is a way to influence neurons and other cells in the human body to change what you experience.




LMAO
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If "psilocybe cubensis" didn't sound like something out of Harry Potter then it may be less funny, perhaps only allowing right cheeks of said ass lain.
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Good god. I would think such an advanced alien race would be a bit smarter. Nice try though.

Bacteria is the word you are looking for, not microbes.

You sound like a scientologist, or similar ilk. Shut up. You haven't the faintest what the hell you are talking about but are content to use made up words and throw around words you don't comprehend under the guise of sounding deep or intelligent.
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You're right. I have no idea what I am talking about.

Thanks.
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<My brain is NOT your hardware> you are giving yourselves away a bit too much don't you think?

This website is sheer evil..........
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Bacteria is the word you are looking for, not microbes.

[snips]
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Taking some of your advice, it's probably far better use of my devices to donate to a worthy cause like Wikipedia. [link to en.wikipedia.org] It seems they're looking for donations.

Discover magazine would also be a worthy cause [link to discovermagazine.com]

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<<(The extra device from Home Depot is just a type of light bulb. About $2-4 each)>>


What type of light bulb?


It fits in a standard socket, but more info about this will come around the time of release.
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Is it a black light by any chance?
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Is it a black light by any chance?
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More info to come :)

(No, not a black light. That was your last guess lol)
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My guess would be Xenon light?

I want to play too.
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My guess would be Xenon light?

I want to play too.
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The important piece will be the 'Magic Mirror', which others will be able to fine-tune with their own settings.
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Well December is tomorrow!!!

one more sleep, yeehaa

Well i choose to perceive it that way and i plan on growing up sometime next week.
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You are actually fluctuating between different forms as you read this but you're not aware of it.
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In the movie, "A Scanner Darkly" (adapted from the story written by Philip K. Dick), Keanu Reeves plays an undercover operator, called a "scanner". When he meets with his co-workers, he disguises himself by wearing a full body suit that continually changes into the images of different people.

[link to www.youtube.com]



In fact, the entire movie parallels (in a brooding, angsty manner) much of which OP has written about. The full movie is on youtube in ten parts. If you have never seen it, I highly recommend it.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Hi choal,

How do we change our reality with no symbol outputs, as i see it, to change our reality we would by definition be changing our representations which are symbols and i can't see how we change anything if we can not output that reality?

thanks

Signed very confused!!!!!
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Hi choal,

How do we change our reality with no symbol outputs, as i see it, to change our reality we would by definition be changing our representations which are symbols and i can't see how we change anything if we can not output that reality?

thanks

Signed very confused!!!!!
 Quoting: Vegatech


Hi.

There are no symbol outputs because the whole process is a symbol output, per Ecsys Prime (near the bottom of the Ecsys home page):

Symbol = logic(possibility2-possibility)+interaction

You're not outputting a reality. You're influencing the relationships that allow you to perceive the reality.

However, Ec is more for changing how you perceive reality, like mapping new neuronal pathways in your brain.

You can get to a very specific perception using Ec but that's quite an advanced use. It would be similar to teleportation (though it is not really) and using Ec as both the programming language and the address to where you're going.

The best way for now is to use the Genius if you want specific perceptions to 'materialize'.

For example: We can use the Genius to materialize a glass of milk in your reality. We can use Ec to experience one of an endless variety of ~(glassess)~(of)~(milk) because we are exploring glass/of/milk possibilities.
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okay i read this thread last night and looked around the sight and i had dreams that explained things in detail to me but soon after i woke up the information was gone.

this was what was left:
particles that travel
and the word (or acronym, can't be sure) EXO

what is EXO? OP does this have any significance or did I have a pizza dream?

to be honest last week i saw a porn that said SEXO but they zoomed in on EXO first and i asked my girlfriend, 'what is EXO?' and she said 'i think it's sexo.'

now the dream, plus your dream chart showing that events happen before dreams? i'm all kinds of confused. please help me with insight and thank you for your time.
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okay i read this thread last night and looked around the sight and i had dreams that explained things in detail to me but soon after i woke up the information was gone.

this was what was left:
particles that travel
and the word (or acronym, can't be sure) EXO

what is EXO? OP does this have any significance or did I have a pizza dream?

to be honest last week i saw a porn that said SEXO but they zoomed in on EXO first and i asked my girlfriend, 'what is EXO?' and she said 'i think it's sexo.'

now the dream, plus your dream chart showing that events happen before dreams? i'm all kinds of confused. please help me with insight and thank you for your time.
 Quoting: spucky ducky 1033476


Could just be pizza or porn.

Forgive the long explanation, but it is quite difficult to express this in words. Maybe you will need the former, above, first and the latter last after reading this jibba jabba.

Physicality is constricted by time, among other things. Time is partially the experience of our neurons firing. They fire fairly slow, at about 200 cycles per second. A different cycle would mean a different experience of time (and space).

Time is an illusion of the relationship of neurons, and physicality is as well.

Dreams are independent of this kind of time and have flexibility to show up 'anytime' it wants.

Imagine each moment like rooms in an infinite house. You think you must go in order, from the first room to the next. But this is only because you're using your feet. It takes a nanosecond to jump between rooms, and so this is your experience of time.

Dreams can show up in any room because it uses light instead of feet (as an example). So, dream-time is more flexible than physical-time.

You only think you need feet because you don't see any other way to walk to the next room.

What you don't realize is that you don't need to walk to the rooms, you can 'fly'.

Particles don't actually travel anywhere. They only seem to travel because this is what we expect (i.e., how we have set up our perspective).

A perceived thing takes on the same properties as the value of that which is used in the perception. We perceive time as it is because this is the property we have ascribed to the neuron.

So, in this way, a photon does not travel from the Sun to our eyes. The photon is a property of the cells, not a property of the sun. The cells themselves do not actually exist, either. They're just a way to translate experience from one dimension to another, so to speak.

So, the sun is a possibility in the cell. The cell is a possibility in your body. Your body is a possibility in your perspective, etc.

In the same way, for example, the Great Pyramid of Gizeh has always looked (and will always look) the way it does now. The way it 'has' looked or 'will' look is a possibility. If you were looking at it now it would be accurate to say that it was always corroded. Because you are not looking at it now it is accurate to say that it does not exist, but is a possibility within the current perspective.

Scientists here will figure out in a couple of years that the past, present, and future are possibilities (representations) of something that does not actually exist.

Apologies if the above is not clear.
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Using the sounds from the this graph: ec-language-chart.jpg, can you give us a string of sounds from the neuroiconics and let us try to figure out the word or concept?

Really trying to grasp the language.

Thanks.

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