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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
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Scientists here will figure out in a couple of years that the past, present, and future are possibilities (representations) of something that does not actually exist.
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Ha. Something like this? (look at the post by user name tkwasny, posted at 12/1/2010 9:04 a.m., both the blue box and the reply):

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Using the sounds from the this graph: ec-language-chart.jpg, can you give us a string of sounds from the neuroiconics and let us try to figure out the word or concept?

Really trying to grasp the language.

Thanks.
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Hi.

This is something to think about. As I mentioned in the other thread we will work on a widget or Flash app that can guide you through each letter and pronunciation.

However...

Ec works differently than other natural languages because of how it can be used. It is a very personal language because it has to do with perception.

If I point to a glass and say "de sticlă" then you can map one concept in your mind ("glass") to a new concept in Romanian ("de sticlă").

However, in Ec, you are talking about possibilities for the glass. You can talk about a glass in general or a very specific glass (like the short, transparent glass half-filled with orange juice sitting on the left side of the kitchen counter at 4pm on Sunday the 5th of January).

The level of depth is up to you.

But the deeper you go, the less others would understand your own "word" in Ec because they cannot see exactly what you are perceiving.

Using Ec for the first time is just like using a new computer for the first time. You have the basics but nothing else. You can use it but it becomes much more useful when you personalize it.

Meaning, you can translate the word 'glass' into Ec but it is really only useful when you translate 'glass' into your own definition of it in Ec (i.e., your own perspective)

Try this, to begin:

Pick a couple of Ec numbers/values to learn

0 - mu
1 - unu
2 - dua
3 - sun
4 - tatat
5 - wu
6 - sumi
7 - naru
8 - bu
9 - ta
(continuous) - kata
(changing) - booba

from this list, pick out 2-3 numbers and remember them.

Map your brain

When you see three things together, say "sun", for example.

For added bonus, think of the symbol for it.

What you are doing here is re-mapping your brain. I believe that this is where the difficulty is in understanding how Ec works. It is difficult to see how this mapping occurs, but it is how the brain works.

How does it work?
When we map one concept to another and use it then it will become more obvious how Ec can be used.

(Using it is the important part)

Quite difficult to explain, but by using Ec you are thinking in the language of perception.

Eventually, you will be able to teleport to a very specific location that you have defined in Ec by simply repeating the symbols and thinking of their values. (It's more reality-shifting than teleportation, but you get the idea.)

It is like putting the latitude and longitude coordinates into a vehicle and being driven there. Except you are interfacing directly with your perception rather than a vehicle.

By using Ec you are programming your perception. Ec is the software and your brain is the hardware, so to speak.

This is all quite new to everyone, I know. But it takes some time to understand and to get to the point where you are in control of what you perceive.

Baby steps is best, but I think the above is a good start.

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<<Scientists here will figure out in a couple of years that the past, present, and future are possibilities (representations) of something that does not actually exist.>>


Ha. Something like this? (look at the post by user name tkwasny, posted at 12/1/2010 9:04 a.m., both the blue box and the reply):

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Looks interesting. But I don't think scientists would care about any of this.

(Much of the perceived value of something by certain groups depends on where it is published.)

Science is useful, but quite limited when they confuse science with reality.

They will realize it when it hits them in the face during the next solar maximum.

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It is a very personal language because it has to do with perception.

If I point to a glass and say "de sticl&#259;" then you can map one concept in your mind ("glass") to a new concept in Romanian ("de sticl&#259;").

However, in Ec, you are talking about possibilities for the glass. You can talk about a glass in general or a very specific glass (like the short, transparent glass half-filled with orange juice sitting on the left side of the kitchen counter at 4pm on Sunday the 5th of January).

The level of depth is up to you.

But the deeper you go, the less others would understand your own "word" in Ec because they cannot see exactly what you are perceiving.

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Yes. Exactly. This is what I've come to comprehend.

It is the "sharing" of the word that brings up questions. Why have a language at all if it does not allow one to communicate with others? Why verbalize at all?

I appreciate your suggestions for further understanding.
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Yes. Exactly. This is what I've come to comprehend.

It is the "sharing" of the word that brings up questions. Why have a language at all if it does not allow one to communicate with others? Why verbalize at all?

I appreciate your suggestions for further understanding.
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Hi.

You can communicate with others, of course. You would just use 'general' words rather than specific possibilities. The more specific your word is the less likely they would be to quickly grasp the meaning of the word.

Others would understand you because they use the same general words for the same purpose.

It is a multi-purpose tool.
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from this list, pick out 2-3 numbers and remember them.

When you see three things together, say "sun", for example.

For added bonus, think of the symbol for it.

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Well, now. This is helpful...and fun.

Question: There was a closed door in front of me. I opened the door, which revealed a space between the frame of the door and the door itself. "Mu" leaped to mind. That is, "0". Does zero represent space? What else would mu/zero represent?
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Well, now. This is helpful...and fun.

Question: There was a closed door in front of me. I opened the door, which revealed a space between the frame of the door and the door itself. "Mu" leaped to mind. That is, "0". Does zero represent space? What else would mu/zero represent?
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This is exactly correct.

"Mu" is the difference between one and another. The 'space', between two things.

(For the symbol, its input is high possibility and output is neutral possibility.)

"Mu" could be anything because it is nothing in particular. It represents possibility.

Congratulations ;)
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Well, now. This is helpful...and fun.

Question: There was a closed door in front of me. I opened the door, which revealed a space between the frame of the door and the door itself. "Mu" leaped to mind. That is, "0". Does zero represent space? What else would mu/zero represent?


This is exactly correct.

"Mu" is the difference between one and another. The 'space', between two things.

(For the symbol, its input is high possibility and output is neutral possibility.)

"Mu" could be anything because it is nothing in particular. It represents possibility.

Congratulations ;)
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Yay!!

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3. "ThohT" is pronounced "thought". It's also a palindrome and a play on the Egyptian force "Thoth". The opposing key is absolution because symbols are representations. The opposite of that would be an absolute symbol, which does not exist. There are no real absolutes when everything is a representation.

Surely :)
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That makes sense that 'Absolute' or 'Absolutness' opposes 'representations' - but not 'Absolution' which is an entirely different word:

absolution n
1. the act of absolving or the state of being absolved; release from guilt, obligation, or punishment
2. (Christianity / Roman Catholic Church) Christianity
a. a formal remission of sin pronounced by a priest in the sacrament of penance
b. the prescribed form of words granting such a remission
[from Latin absol;n- acquittal, forgiveness of sins, from absolvere to absolve]
absolutory adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

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That makes sense that 'Absolute' or 'Absolutness' opposes 'representations' - but not 'Absolution' which is an entirely different word:

absolution n
1. the act of absolving or the state of being absolved; release from guilt, obligation, or punishment
2. (Christianity / Roman Catholic Church) Christianity
a. a formal remission of sin pronounced by a priest in the sacrament of penance
b. the prescribed form of words granting such a remission
[from Latin absol;n- acquittal, forgiveness of sins, from absolvere to absolve]
absolutory adj
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Thanks for that. I didn't realize that 'absolution' had a different meaning.

Looks like that word was taken over a long time ago. Darn religiness.
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Yes - I guess if ever there was a fine example of Absoluteness as opposed to representations it would be fundamentalism (of whatever flavour) or dogma.

I agree with your likening Science to Religion and agree too that Science has lost its way by ignoring its own rules!

My own take on the subject is that the only absolute in life is the absolute absense of absolutes (just as the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth)!

I am enjoying exploring your site and playing with the ideas.

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Yes - I guess if ever there was a fine example of Absoluteness as opposed to representations it would be fundamentalism (of whatever flavour) or dogma.

I agree with your likening Science to Religion and agree too that Science has lost its way by ignoring its own rules!

My own take on the subject is that the only absolute in life is the absolute absense of absolutes (just as the ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth)!

I am enjoying exploring your site and playing with the ideas.

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Thanks.

Many more things coming. This is only a small fraction of what is to come.
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In the alternate Earth where I am from,
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What designate universe?
'Magically Delicious'
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In the alternate Earth where I am from,

What designate universe?
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Hi.

There is only one universe. It's 'perspective'. Not sure why there's be more than one whole.
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Hi Chaol,

Have only just realised that you are also interacting with a second thread on this site which extends to something like 18 pages!

You have been putting out a lot of effort to help people understand your subject, but this raises, for me, the question:

How successful do you feel you are being so far in teaching people about Neuronics?

I have read many of the posts on both threads now and there seems scarce evidence of anyone really succeeding in putting your undoubtedly valuable information to use with any degree of competence or depth of understanding.

I intuitively feel that this isn't a fault of the ideas themselves, but that maybe their presentation could be improved.

I would like to help if I can.
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Hi Chaol,

Have only just realised that you are also interacting with a second thread on this site which extends to something like 18 pages!

You have been putting out a lot of effort to help people understand your subject, but this raises, for me, the question:

How successful do you feel you are being so far in teaching people about Neuronics?

I have read many of the posts on both threads now and there seems scarce evidence of anyone really succeeding in putting your undoubtedly valuable information to use with any degree of competence or depth of understanding.

I intuitively feel that this isn't a fault of the ideas themselves, but that maybe their presentation could be improved.

I would like to help if I can.
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Hi.

Any assistance you offer would be welcomed but the presentation is partly by design. My effort in this is actually very minimal. The information and presentation are part of a 'grand design', if you will. It's the beginning of a multi-stage process.

I'm in no hurry to have any of these ideas implemented on a grand scale. Time is a concern, but to me there's plenty of time. At this point the world is far from ready, but that should change soon enough.

My main concern is how is it used, not how much it is used. It's more about planting seeds and knowing what the garden is likely to look like in a number of years.

Despite this, I welcome your suggestions on improvement. I'm always very interested in new ideas and new relationships.

Thanks :)

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The other thread is here, for those interested: Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

It's about Ecsys in general, whereas this one is about neuronics.
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I'm always very interested in new ideas and new relationships.

Thanks :)
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I share that interest! And that is exactly why I like your site and what motivates me to want to help out if I can!

May I ask, is there an element of wishing to deliberately making the information only accessible to those 'ready' for it (ready could mean almost anything in that context!).

Or would you prefer to be presenting the information in a manner most easily assimilated by as broad a range of people as possible?

The first approach reminds me a bit of G.I.Gurdjieff who deliberately used an incredibly torturous style of writing to make sure that only the most persistent followers actually read his materials!

In any event, I shall first try and make some more inroads into understanding your work before offering some suggestions.

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My main concern is how is it used, not how much it is used. It's more about planting seeds and knowing what the garden is likely to look like in a number of years.

Despite this, I welcome your suggestions on improvement. I'm always very interested in new ideas and new relationships.

Thanks :)
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In the past week, I have logged approximately 25 hours and more studying the material, including reading both threads.

I have made a commitment to spending at least half an hour per day studying the actual neuroicons, and then to put the ideas into practice whenever I can remember to do so (couple minutes per day here and there, so far). Progress is slow, but I want to announce that some of it is seeping in. It is like learning an entirely new habit, but with your ideas. Old habits have to be shunted out of the way in order for the new to have some place to settle.

Suggestion for the website:

It took a while to comprehend how the neuroicons [link to ecsys.org] correspond to the chart of the Four Forces [link to ecsys.org]

I wonder if there could be a second chart in which the frame for the Four Forces is drawn in gray-scale for each character, with a neuroicon overwritten in a darker ink?

I am doing this very thing by hand right now, with a No. 2 pencil on a printout. It really does help the understanding of the relations of the strong, weak, and neutral forces.

However, I may still have misunderstood. If so, please correct me. Otherwise, I am off on a wild goose chase.

Thanks for taking so much time with us. You are a model of patience!
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Hi Chaol,

Is their an ETA on the magic mirror?

Thanks
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I share that interest! And that is exactly why I like your site and what motivates me to want to help out if I can!

May I ask, is there an element of wishing to deliberately making the information only accessible to those 'ready' for it (ready could mean almost anything in that context!).

Or would you prefer to be presenting the information in a manner most easily assimilated by as broad a range of people as possible?

The first approach reminds me a bit of G.I.Gurdjieff who deliberately used an incredibly torturous style of writing to make sure that only the most persistent followers actually read his materials!

In any event, I shall first try and make some more inroads into understanding your work before offering some suggestions.

 Quoting: Wiznick


Hi.

I guess it's a mix of giving it some broad appeal but, more importantly, keeping it as close to the original as possible.

As another poster was suggesting, you can't fully understand it using the same mental framework. It is a new way of thinking.

But I will continue to work to make it as easy to understand as possible, and thank you in advance for any suggestions you have on this.
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In the past week, I have logged approximately 25 hours and more studying the material, including reading both threads.

I have made a commitment to spending at least half an hour per day studying the actual neuroicons, and then to put the ideas into practice whenever I can remember to do so (couple minutes per day here and there, so far). Progress is slow, but I want to announce that some of it is seeping in. It is like learning an entirely new habit, but with your ideas. Old habits have to be shunted out of the way in order for the new to have some place to settle.

Suggestion for the website:

It took a while to comprehend how the neuroicons [link to ecsys.org] correspond to the chart of the Four Forces [link to ecsys.org]

I wonder if there could be a second chart in which the frame for the Four Forces is drawn in gray-scale for each character, with a neuroicon overwritten in a darker ink?

I am doing this very thing by hand right now, with a No. 2 pencil on a printout. It really does help the understanding of the relations of the strong, weak, and neutral forces.

However, I may still have misunderstood. If so, please correct me. Otherwise, I am off on a wild goose chase.

Thanks for taking so much time with us. You are a model of patience!
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I admire your effort in understanding the material.

I've updated the matrix at [link to ecsys.org] and will next do this for each symbol so that each is more clear.

Thanks for your suggestions :)
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Hi Chaol,

Is their an ETA on the magic mirror?

Thanks
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Hi.

The Magic Mirror of Chaos should be released this month.

Still tweaking the defaults and wondering if parts of version 2 should be included in the first release (as the first release is more bare-bones, but still effective).
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CAOL, I've been reading EC-Language, I think I get the basics but what would be the difference betweem the symbol for cat and for dog ? wouldn't they both be the same symbol ? How do you differentiate ? can you give me a sample symbol for a few different animals and explain why each is which ?
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I've updated the matrix at [link to ecsys.org] and will next do this for each symbol so that each is more clear.

Thanks for your suggestions :)
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Gosh. That was quick! A lovely graph! I can use this.

Now. What is in the middle of the the four-sided box? The symbol representing the sound O (as in NOt) [link to ecsys.org] appears as if it plunges from neutral Symbol clear through to neutral Possibility. But, it passes through the center of the box.

What does the center of the box represent?

Again, thank you.
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I've updated the matrix at [link to ecsys.org] and will next do this for each symbol so that each is more clear.
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Hi Chaol,

I see that as a good improvement, but have a further suggestion: On my screen the anchors are almost invisible as are the grey lines in the centre of the diagram. Could it be a bit more like this: (Link now deleted as issue resolved).

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CAOL, I've been reading EC-Language, I think I get the basics but what would be the difference betweem the symbol for cat and for dog ? wouldn't they both be the same symbol ? How do you differentiate ? can you give me a sample symbol for a few different animals and explain why each is which ?
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Hi.

Cats and dogs would have different symbols, as would a 'pinch of salt' and a 'grain of salt', for example. We can use other symbols to augmenting a symbol to farther define the concept.

Each concept is defined according to perspective. And because the general perspective in this world is quite different from that in mine, a unique dictionary is required (which is what the game is about).

So, "pinch of salt" would be more like "salt pinch". However, cats and dogs would each have their own icons.
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Gosh. That was quick! A lovely graph! I can use this.

Now. What is in the middle of the the four-sided box? The symbol representing the sound O (as in NOt) [link to ecsys.org] appears as if it plunges from neutral Symbol clear through to neutral Possibility. But, it passes through the center of the box.

What does the center of the box represent?

Again, thank you.
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Hi.

I'll make some more changes to it this week.

The center of the box doesn't represent anything, technically-speaking. But neutral 'everything' would be 'nothing' from which everything is animated, like the center of a wheel.

Thanks again for your comments!

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Hi Chaol,

I see that as a good improvement, but have a further suggestion: On my screen the anchors are almost invisible as are the grey lines in the centre of the diagram. Could it be a bit more like this: [link to www.teachguitar.com] ?
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Is this okay: [link to ecsys.org] ?

Thanks
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CAOL, I've been reading EC-Language, I think I get the basics but what would be the difference betweem the symbol for cat and for dog ? wouldn't they both be the same symbol ? How do you differentiate ? can you give me a sample symbol for a few different animals and explain why each is which ?


Hi.

Cats and dogs would have different symbols, as would a 'pinch of salt' and a 'grain of salt', for example. We can use other symbols to augmenting a symbol to farther define the concept.

Each concept is defined according to perspective. And because the general perspective in this world is quite different from that in mine, a unique dictionary is required (which is what the game is about).

So, "pinch of salt" would be more like "salt pinch". However, cats and dogs would each have their own icons.
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ok, looks like perhaps i understand less than i think i did ... can you provide a few more examples and elaborate on why those symbols represent those words, ie cat and dog for example ... i see them both as +S S but how can they have different representations if +S S is only represented one way ?

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