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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
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Hi Chaol,

I see that as a good improvement, but have a further suggestion: On my screen the anchors are almost invisible as are the grey lines in the centre of the diagram. Could it be a bit more like this: [link to www.teachguitar.com] ?


Is this okay: [link to ecsys.org] ?

Thanks
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I see that as perfect!
Thanks.
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what do the underlined letters in the words represent ?
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ok, next question ....

In your constitution example,

why/how do you break it down to

+SI -S+I -I+L ?

I understand why you picked +SI but why not +S+I instead ? Could you chose either option ? why would +S+I be incorrect ?
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I think CAT ..etc... means:

Pronounce this symbol 'A' as in CAT

Pronounce this symbol 'A' as in AMERICA

Pronounce this symbol 'OO' as in TOOK

Pronounce this symbol 'OO' as in TOO


...ETC..

Please correct me if I am wrong Chaol!
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I think CAT ..etc... means:

Pronounce this symbol 'A' as in CAT

Pronounce this symbol 'A' as in AMERICA

Pronounce this symbol 'OO' as in TOOK

Pronounce this symbol 'OO' as in TOO


...ETC..

Please correct me if I am wrong Chaol!
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Then how would you differentiate between CAT, RAT, HAT, etc ...


I've read the site a few times but still having a hard time translating from the symbols to their meanings ... almost as if the meanings of the symbols are unique per individual ? Almost like the symbols are open to interpretation to the individual, and not meant necessarily for communication between people like english language ?
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... almost as if the meanings of the symbols are unique per individual ? Almost like the symbols are open to interpretation to the individual, and not meant necessarily for communication between people like english language ?
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That's how I understand it - the site does emphasize that it's a language for thinking with. I am beginning to see it as a way of perceiving how I am perceiving if that doesn't sound too weird!

So I might choose OO-ORT for my Cat (OO as in BOOK) High symbol because he means a lot to me and high interaction is what results. Then in the second symbol (ORT as in SORT) high interaction outputs high possibility because I never know how my cat will react to me!

This is just my view and I am only nibbling round the edges myself at this stage, but it's fun and it seems to be producing some interesting dreams!
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... almost as if the meanings of the symbols are unique per individual ? Almost like the symbols are open to interpretation to the individual, and not meant necessarily for communication between people like english language ?


That's how I understand it - the site does emphasize that it's a language for thinking with. I am beginning to see it as a way of perceiving how I am perceiving if that doesn't sound too weird!

So I might choose OO-ORT for my Cat (OO as in BOOK) High symbol because he means a lot to me and high interaction is what results. Then in the second symbol (ORT as in SORT) high interaction outputs high possibility because I never know how my cat will react to me!

This is just my view and I am only nibbling round the edges myself at this stage, but it's fun and it seems to be producing some interesting dreams!
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How is it impacting your dreams ?
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I'm not one to take much notice of dreams normally, but since starting to study this language I have had two dreams of unusually high intensity.

One involved meeting up again with an old friend I haven't seen for more than 30 years. In the dream I expressed a very strong sense of brotherly love for them that I had forgotten I had ever felt for anybody. I can only describe it as a very deep sense of re-connection.

In the other dream I suddenly remembered that I knew how to fly and enjoyed flying wherever I felt like - great fun and a real sense of liberation. I have had these flying dreams quite often in the past, but not for quite some time now.

I intend to continue to play with Chaol's ideas to see where it leads - it takes considerable mental effort at first, but I think this is a path with heart (to quote Carlos Castaneda!)
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ok, next question ....

In your constitution example,

why/how do you break it down to

+SI -S+I -I+L ?

I understand why you picked +SI but why not +S+I instead ? Could you chose either option ? why would +S+I be incorrect ?
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Hi.

It could be anything. It depends on your perspective.

Standard definitions for English-to-Ec (in this world) will be released as the game is used.
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I think CAT ..etc... means:

Pronounce this symbol 'A' as in CAT

Pronounce this symbol 'A' as in AMERICA

Pronounce this symbol 'OO' as in TOOK

Pronounce this symbol 'OO' as in TOO


...ETC..

Please correct me if I am wrong Chaol!


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 890849


That's correct. It's a pronunciation guide, with the underlined letters illustrating how the sound should be pronounced.


I've read the site a few times but still having a hard time translating from the symbols to their meanings ... almost as if the meanings of the symbols are unique per individual ? Almost like the symbols are open to interpretation to the individual, and not meant necessarily for communication between people like english language ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 890849


There are standard definitions as well as personal definitions.

It's not too far off from English usage, where if someone uses a word in one way you can understand what they mean without you having the same definition of the word.

More details will follow.. I am currently changing the site and will have more time to post after. Thanks
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I'm not one to take much notice of dreams normally, but since starting to study this language I have had two dreams of unusually high intensity.

One involved meeting up again with an old friend I haven't seen for more than 30 years. In the dream I expressed a very strong sense of brotherly love for them that I had forgotten I had ever felt for anybody. I can only describe it as a very deep sense of re-connection.

In the other dream I suddenly remembered that I knew how to fly and enjoyed flying wherever I felt like - great fun and a real sense of liberation. I have had these flying dreams quite often in the past, but not for quite some time now.

I intend to continue to play with Chaol's ideas to see where it leads - it takes considerable mental effort at first, but I think this is a path with heart (to quote Carlos Castaneda!)
 Quoting: Wiznick


When you use Ec your dreams will indeed become more intense and lucid.

The connection between the 'two worlds' will grow.

It sounds like you're at the very beginning of that process.
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Good marketing skills, to promote upcoming mobile app?

sorry we live in such a world nowadays it is hard not to think critically.
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I'm not one to take much notice of dreams normally, but since starting to study this language I have had two dreams of unusually high intensity.

One involved meeting up again with an old friend I haven't seen for more than 30 years. In the dream I expressed a very strong sense of brotherly love for them that I had forgotten I had ever felt for anybody. I can only describe it as a very deep sense of re-connection.

In the other dream I suddenly remembered that I knew how to fly and enjoyed flying wherever I felt like - great fun and a real sense of liberation. I have had these flying dreams quite often in the past, but not for quite some time now.

I intend to continue to play with Chaol's ideas to see where it leads - it takes considerable mental effort at first, but I think this is a path with heart (to quote Carlos Castaneda!)


When you use Ec your dreams will indeed become more intense and lucid.

The connection between the 'two worlds' will grow.

It sounds like you're at the very beginning of that process.
 Quoting: Chaol



Last two nights my dreams were both much more vivid and easier to remember .. and I don't even think I understand the language yet (at least not fully)... Chaol, can you explain/elaborate how/why it impacts dreams to such a degree ?
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Hi Chaol,

I have read every post of yours on this web site and i spent many hours reading and memorizing and followed the all the recommendations laid out on the ecsys version one & version two web site's including the genius and i realize it has been almost a year since i started and i don't feel any closer to anything like you have been describing.

Questions

1. Is this going to be something like a 50 year zen riddle task as you said it was discovered on your world around 50 years ago so will it take 50 years to learn it as well as you?

2. I have spent a year already and i know we are all different and some may need longer than others to assimilate the information but on average can you estimate how long it will take to learn how too say, teleport? or Travel to your world?

3. You mentioned a few days ago that we have talked about it long enough and now we will start doing it. Can i ask if we have an ETA on this?

Please Chaol i honestly do not intend any disrespect it's just that i have patience issues which i have documented and i am practicing reverse logic on but i just had to these questions.


Thanks
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I have also noticed a change in dreams since i discovered this information.

I look at the Ecsys site before I go to bed and casually study the symbols. My dreams are far more vivid and tangible now. The dreams seem more real than waking life.

It is a beautiful world!
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Hi Chaol,

A thought:

Sir Isaac Newton pretty much helped us all define our world in terms of the four elements: Matter, Energy Space and Time. Is it a coincidence that these map (for me anyway) quite neatly onto: Symbol, Interaction, Possibility and Logic?

Einstein's theories have helped us collapse these four down into: E=MC2 and Space/Time - is this applicable to your four forces in any way? I can see Symbol and Interaction being two facets of the same thing, but Logic and Possibility less so!
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This thread really is food for thought!
Excellent.
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In the alternate Earth where I am from, we use something called neuronics.

Neuronics is a way to influence neurons and other cells in the human body to change what you experience.

Any cell in a biological body can become a neuron, and any cell in the body can thus be influenced using neuronics.

It is like your electronics here, where devices are 'powered by neuronics'.

In the electric field surrounding each cell there is 15 million volts of energy per meter, approximately 500% more than a bolt of lightning. (See [link to www.technologyreview.com] )

You use electronic devices to influence electrons in particular ways, and so we have devices that influence neurons.

You have televisions, alarm clocks, robots, computers, and other devices. We have an array of similar devices that we use to change our reality.

Most of you would call such technology teleportation, materialization/dematerialization, time-shifting and time travel, etc. We're not changing anything physically by using these devices, just changing perception.

(There is no physicality.)

Many of us in my world live non-physically. That is to say, we are not bound by physical constraints.

In this world, you're moving quickly towards this point.

Neuronics is one way to live as a human, but not live in a human body. (Strangely enough, your body is not human. It's more than 90% microbes.)
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We have the photonneuronic weapons. Do not enter without going through TSA checkpoint. yak
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Good marketing skills, to promote upcoming mobile app?

sorry we live in such a world nowadays it is hard not to think critically.
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Could be.

But it's a free app so I'm not too concerned with marketing.

Hopefully, enough persons will find it useful enough that it would promote itself.

Any suggestions?
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Last two nights my dreams were both much more vivid and easier to remember .. and I don't even think I understand the language yet (at least not fully)... Chaol, can you explain/elaborate how/why it impacts dreams to such a degree ?
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Hi.

Simply, it is the language of perception. Thus, the language of anything perceived, which includes dreams.

We create language in order to explore relationships. The 'geometry of relationships' is what we perceive. The language is the relationship itself.

By using Ec we are 'creating' relationships. Your dreams will process these new relationships (new stimuli) and it will see vivid and real.

The dream world is merging with what we see as the physical world. The better we are able to communicate the more real our dreams will seem until, eventually, all of life is a dream.

Not dreaming in the way that everything is random or crazy and you don't understand things. It's actually much more consistent and logical than that (your brain, however, makes it seem differently because it does not have the proper language to express it).

When life is a dream, you simply know that there is no difference between you and your perceptions. Everywhere is ThohT.
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thanks for your responses.

Can you elaborate on some of the aspects of the EC language, more specifically on the abstractness of it compared to the english language where all words are set in stone ? I believe this is the part I'm having a hard time comprehending. To me it seems as if EC is not as much memorizing words like it is to learn english, there is more to it than that, correct ?

Hopefully my question makes sense ...
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Hi Chaol,

I have read every post of yours on this web site and i spent many hours reading and memorizing and followed the all the recommendations laid out on the ecsys version one & version two web site's including the genius and i realize it has been almost a year since i started and i don't feel any closer to anything like you have been describing.

Thanks
 Quoting: Vegatech


Hi.

I can understand your frustrations. However, version 2 has only been out since Nov 23, less than 2 weeks.

The process isn't the same for everyone. Each person integrates the knowledge into their lives differently, even given the same material.

Perhaps I can help specifically. What is it you'd like to experience?

Questions

1. Is this going to be something like a 50 year zen riddle task as you said it was discovered on your world around 50 years ago so will it take 50 years to learn it as well as you?
 Quoting: Vegatech


No.

You've probably already learned some of it.

I don't actually understand that much of it. But what little I know makes enough of a difference in my experience, I think.

The path is relative. Things may happen quickly or slowly, depending on where you're currently 'standing'.

2. I have spent a year already and i know we are all different and some may need longer than others to assimilate the information but on average can you estimate how long it will take to learn how too say, teleport? or Travel to your world?
 Quoting: Vegatech


Most of what's required is a different frame of mine, not new information.

The information is mostly meaningless until there is a new frame of mind.

Thus, possibly no results because of the old frame of mind that cannot process the new information.

Some tips:

1 - *You is your perception*. Interaction with your perceptions in order to begin to realize this. If you see running water, go feel it. If the phone is ringing, feel the ringing in your brain like you would in a dream. This is the way to controlling what you experience.

2 - *See the structure of reality* In your imagination, superimpose a fine grid over everything you are looking at. Try to imagine different sounds emanating from objects. It doesn't matter what sounds. What you're doing is telling your brain to show you more of what it sees. Then instead of you having to embellish what is there, it will show you.

It could take 2 days or 2,000 years. It depends on how willing you are to give up your idea of what "you" is. The crazier the above seems, the longer it will take.

3. You mentioned a few days ago that we have talked about it long enough and now we will start doing it. Can i ask if we have an ETA on this?

Please Chaol i honestly do not intend any disrespect it's just that i have patience issues which i have documented and i am practicing reverse logic on but i just had to these questions.

Thanks
 Quoting: Vegatech


No worries. I understand. I would be frustrated too if I was not seeing the results that I wanted to see.

We're in the process of 'doing it'. It's not something that will happen right away, of course. There are learning curves (and understanding curves). It's a totally different frame of mind. One that probably cannot be implemented overnight.

If you're interested, start small and look for small results. If it's useful then it may be a good idea to continue.

I know most of my advice isn't practical from certain perspectives. Many will read #1 or 2 above and not give it a second thought because they don't see how it would benefit them, or they'll try it for a few minutes and if nothing substantial happens then they'll give up.

Most give up. There's nothing wrong with this. What I describe is other-worldly and they're already well-integrated in this world.

Try a little. If a little happens then try something more.

Then ask yourself if the material has any value to your life. If so, see the material in the everyday rather than just concepts and philosophy functionally independent of your reality.
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I have also noticed a change in dreams since i discovered this information.

I look at the Ecsys site before I go to bed and casually study the symbols. My dreams are far more vivid and tangible now. The dreams seem more real than waking life.

It is a beautiful world!
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Much more to come for you if you continue to explore. It's only been 2 weeks. Imagine what is possible within a year.

A completely different world. (And one of your 'choosing'.)
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Hi Chaol,

A thought:

Sir Isaac Newton pretty much helped us all define our world in terms of the four elements: Matter, Energy Space and Time. Is it a coincidence that these map (for me anyway) quite neatly onto: Symbol, Interaction, Possibility and Logic?

Einstein's theories have helped us collapse these four down into: E=MC2 and Space/Time - is this applicable to your four forces in any way? I can see Symbol and Interaction being two facets of the same thing, but Logic and Possibility less so!
 Quoting: Wiznick


Everything in the universe fits into the model, because it is the model of perception.

All 4 are facets of the same thing.

However, all models modeled after the model are inaccurate. They work up to a point and break down at any point before that which cannot be perceived.

Not much to say on E=MC2 other than it may not be as accurate as we perceive it to be.
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thanks for your responses.

Can you elaborate on some of the aspects of the EC language, more specifically on the abstractness of it compared to the english language where all words are set in stone ? I believe this is the part I'm having a hard time comprehending. To me it seems as if EC is not as much memorizing words like it is to learn english, there is more to it than that, correct ?

Hopefully my question makes sense ...
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As a spoken language, I'd say it's about the same. In Ec (not Ec-to-English) there may be a different meaning between two people using the same words, but the meaning is exact to each person. (Inter-meaning is more abstract, intra-meaning is more exact.)

But can you give me an example of where a particular English word is 'set in stone'? This would help me to answer the question further.

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I'm sorry, but this thread is actually useful.
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thanks for your responses.

Can you elaborate on some of the aspects of the EC language, more specifically on the abstractness of it compared to the english language where all words are set in stone ? I believe this is the part I'm having a hard time comprehending. To me it seems as if EC is not as much memorizing words like it is to learn english, there is more to it than that, correct ?

Hopefully my question makes sense ...


As a spoken language, I'd say it's about the same. In Ec (not Ec-to-English) there may be a different meaning between two people using the same words, but the meaning is exact to each person. (Inter-meaning is more abstract, intra-meaning is more exact.)

But can you give me an example of where a particular English word is 'set in stone'? This would help me to answer the question further.
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As an example, the word Cat in english is always represented by the letters c a t and the sounds "cat"

but in ec, your symbol for cat could be different than someones else's is that correct ? so if your symbol for cat is different than my symbol for cat, how can we effecitvely communicate ? That's the main principle i have a hard time grasping ...

I also don't understand how the symbols with meaning translate to the audio sounds/english words/letters you attach to them.

thanks for helping to try and elaborate/explain ... i feel as if there is just one key concept that i need to wrap my head around so that i fully understand ec language.
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Maybe this example clarifies more ? In EC, how do you differentiate between "coffee" and "tea" ? Or do you not bother, ie is it more at a higher level than english, and you do not need to define if it's coffee or tea in EC, you only define a relationship ? Does EC simply describe the relationship between you and cofee, but does not allow you to describe actions like drinking coffee or making coffee ?

I would love to see more EC language examples of both single words and sentences/meanings (if possible) ie english translation of "making coffee" or "drinking tea"
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Hi Chaol,

I have read every post of yours on this web site and i spent many hours reading and memorizing and followed the all the recommendations laid out on the ecsys version one & version two web site's including the genius and i realize it has been almost a year since i started and i don't feel any closer to anything like you have been describing.

Thanks
Quoting: Vegatech


Hi.

I can understand your frustrations. However, version 2 has only been out since Nov 23, less than 2 weeks.

The process isn't the same for everyone. Each person integrates the knowledge into their lives differently, even given the same material.

Perhaps I can help specifically. What is it you'd like to experience?



Hi Choal,

I am on a disability pension so i am always one dollar from being broke, so specifically i would like to experience actually having more money, i have been trying the genius map but no luck so far. Can you suggest anything as i am sure other people are in the same position i am in and would love some help.


Thanks
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Hi Chaol,

Do you think the Android app will be available before Christmas? Certainly looking forward to tinkering with EC over the holiday break.

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