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Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

 
Chaol (OP)

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As an example, the word Cat in english is always represented by the letters c a t and the sounds "cat"

but in ec, your symbol for cat could be different than someones else's is that correct ? so if your symbol for cat is different than my symbol for cat, how can we effecitvely communicate ? That's the main principle i have a hard time grasping ...

I also don't understand how the symbols with meaning translate to the audio sounds/english words/letters you attach to them.

thanks for helping to try and elaborate/explain ... i feel as if there is just one key concept that i need to wrap my head around so that i fully understand ec language.
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Well, there are many different types of cats. And the definition of "cat" and most other words changes not only from time-to-time but person-to-person. We would each define 'cat' or another word differently.

It only seems consistent because we have a good idea of what another person is talking about when they say "cat".

It's no different with Ec. The only thing is that we're not used to using it, so it seems like there's no way to understand someone else.

But "cat" would have one string of icons, and all the different types of cats would have their own icon strings.

So, for example, "cat" would have 3 icons and all other types of cats can be defined with 1 additional icon.

We can communicate because we agree on what a particular string of icons should mean.

I suppose the best thing is to make a tutorial that clarifies the confusion and makes learning Ec easier.
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Maybe this example clarifies more ? In EC, how do you differentiate between "coffee" and "tea" ? Or do you not bother, ie is it more at a higher level than english, and you do not need to define if it's coffee or tea in EC, you only define a relationship ? Does EC simply describe the relationship between you and cofee, but does not allow you to describe actions like drinking coffee or making coffee ?

I would love to see more EC language examples of both single words and sentences/meanings (if possible) ie english translation of "making coffee" or "drinking tea"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973071


Ec can be used to define "coffee" in general (using 3 icons) or to a very precise degree (using more icons). The more precise it is the less someone would understand "just off the top of their head". They would need your codex that defines the icons for a particular set.

As I mentioned in my previous posting I will put together a tutorial so that it's more clear.

Ec is a completely different way to communicate than English or other natural language, so a lot of this may be confusing. I take responsibility for not illustrating this in such a way that it could be easily understood.
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Hi Choal,

I am on a disability pension so i am always one dollar from being broke, so specifically i would like to experience actually having more money, i have been trying the genius map but no luck so far. Can you suggest anything as i am sure other people are in the same position i am in and would love some help.


Thanks
 Quoting: Vegatech


Certainly.

May I ask, how are you symbolizing it in your Genius exercise?
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Hi Chaol,

Do you think the Android app will be available before Christmas? Certainly looking forward to tinkering with EC over the holiday break.

Cheers
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You and I both!

I am hoping that it will be but there's no way to tell for sure.
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Hi Choal,

I am on a disability pension so i am always one dollar from being broke, so specifically i would like to experience actually having more money, i have been trying the genius map but no luck so far. Can you suggest anything as i am sure other people are in the same position i am in and would love some help.


Thanks


Certainly.

May I ask, how are you symbolizing it in your Genius exercise?
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Hi Chaol,

Firstly i made a picture box frame out tree branches from the garden, then made a sign of the two ec symbols (UH and B) which represents money attached too the frame.

I have it laying flat on the kitchen table with my wallet and bills and some food, today it's an apple to tie the relationships to what the purpose of the money is going to be used.

I have 3 rule attached to it so far, every morning i move it a little bit and put something else in the frame to associate with some thing else in my reality, today it's a silver neclace i have had for 20 years and every night i light a candle in the middle of it for a few hours.

Also i have put my weekly lottery tickets in last week $29 and this week $64 so i could say it is working but i that could be happenstance too early to tell.


On a different note that suggestion you gave on visualizing the grid on things and making sounds, now that is a trip i think you should put that on the web site. i don't have words to explain what i see.

Thanks
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Quote from ECsys Website (My underlining):

'What do we perceive? We perceive of things most relative to us in the here/now. Things not as relative to us are more distant in time/space.

So, your body is most relative to your perspective. So it seems that it's always following you around. Your toes are not as relative to your perspective as your nose and mouth are, and are further away in distance.

Your watch is sometimes relative to your perspective so you may only wear it sometimes.

Your workplace is less relative to your perspective, so it is even more distant.'

Hi Chaol,

I am wondering whether this makes better sense if we replace the word 'relative' (which has many definitions) with 'relevant' which seems to me to help make good sense of what you are saying.

rel·e·vant[rel-uh-vuhnt]
–adjective
bearing upon or connected with the matter in hand; pertinent: a relevant remark.

rel·a·tive [rel-uh-tiv]
–adjective
5. considered in relation to something else; comparative: the relative merits of democracy and monarchy.
6. existing or having its specific nature only by relation to something else; not absolute or independent: Happiness is relative.
7. having relation or connection.
8. having reference or regard; relevant; pertinent (usually fol. by to ): to determine the facts relative to an accident.
9. correspondent; proportionate: Value is relative to demand.


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Hi Chaol,

Firstly i made a picture box frame out tree branches from the garden, then made a sign of the two ec symbols (UH and B) which represents money attached too the frame.

I have it laying flat on the kitchen table with my wallet and bills and some food, today it's an apple to tie the relationships to what the purpose of the money is going to be used.

I have 3 rule attached to it so far, every morning i move it a little bit and put something else in the frame to associate with some thing else in my reality, today it's a silver neclace i have had for 20 years and every night i light a candle in the middle of it for a few hours.

Also i have put my weekly lottery tickets in last week $29 and this week $64 so i could say it is working but i that could be happenstance too early to tell.


On a different note that suggestion you gave on visualizing the grid on things and making sounds, now that is a trip i think you should put that on the web site. i don't have words to explain what i see.

Thanks
 Quoting: Vegatech


Hi.

If I understand you correctly it sounds like you have multiple symbols (picture box, Ec symbols) and possibly "wallet, bills, food, apple".

You just need 1 symbol. (And, for purposes of the Genius there is no need to use Ec.)

May I ask how the picture box frame symbolizes more wealth for you?

Nevermind making your symbol interact with the things you think are associated with money. Have your 1 symbol interact with your total perspective.

For example, it could be that a particular stack of newspapers in the basement is acting as a type of bottleneck to your increasing wealth. Not to say that your symbol should interact with everything that you see but don't narrow the possibilities of what the symbol should interact with.

I would suggest making the frame out of dollar bills, instead (if there is no clear connection between your previous symbol(s) and your increasing wealth) or something that is relevant to your intent.
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Hi Chaol,

I am wondering whether this makes better sense if we replace the word 'relative' (which has many definitions) with 'relevant' which seems to me to help make good sense of what you are saying.
[snips]
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Thanks for that. It will be considered.
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Hi Chaol,

Firstly i made a picture box frame out tree branches from the garden, then made a sign of the two ec symbols (UH and B) which represents money attached too the frame.

I have it laying flat on the kitchen table with my wallet and bills and some food, today it's an apple to tie the relationships to what the purpose of the money is going to be used.

I have 3 rule attached to it so far, every morning i move it a little bit and put something else in the frame to associate with some thing else in my reality, today it's a silver neclace i have had for 20 years and every night i light a candle in the middle of it for a few hours.

Also i have put my weekly lottery tickets in last week $29 and this week $64 so i could say it is working but i that could be happenstance too early to tell.


On a different note that suggestion you gave on visualizing the grid on things and making sounds, now that is a trip i think you should put that on the web site. i don't have words to explain what i see.

Thanks


Hi.

If I understand you correctly it sounds like you have multiple symbols (picture box, Ec symbols) and possibly "wallet, bills, food, apple".

You just need 1 symbol. (And, for purposes of the Genius there is no need to use Ec.)

May I ask how the picture box frame symbolizes more wealth for you?

Nevermind making your symbol interact with the things you think are associated with money. Have your 1 symbol interact with your total perspective.

For example, it could be that a particular stack of newspapers in the basement is acting as a type of bottleneck to your increasing wealth. Not to say that your symbol should interact with everything that you see but don't narrow the possibilities of what the symbol should interact with.

I would suggest making the frame out of dollar bills, instead (if there is no clear connection between your previous symbol(s) and your increasing wealth) or something that is relevant to your intent.
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Chaol, can you go over this a little more again ? Say I work for a company that is very successful and my desire is to have it be acquired. I then take a bottle cap, and on the inside draw the company logo and a dollar sign to represent "the acquisition" of this company. How then should I interact with this bottle cap in order to manifest the desired outcome ?
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Chaol, can you go over this a little more again ? Say I work for a company that is very successful and my desire is to have it be acquired. I then take a bottle cap, and on the inside draw the company logo and a dollar sign to represent "the acquisition" of this company. How then should I interact with this bottle cap in order to manifest the desired outcome ?
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Hi.

Make sure your symbol is relevant to what you intend. The more relevant, the better.

(No need for multiple symbols, especially ones that already have significant meaning to them (such as the dollar sign). The bottle cap is enough. However, I can only see this as being relevant if your company is a beverage company. But don't use the company's own symbols. Make up your own. Wrap the bottle cap in twine, for example.)

Next, allow the symbol to interact with your environment. For example, place it on your desk on top of your inbox or another place where people congregate for periods of time, such as the water cooler. But don't keep it just in the office. Take it outside and at home, too.

Do not force the symbols. Allow them to come to you.

Interaction should be with your perspective, not just part of your perspective. Your "company" also affects other parts of your perspective and this is just a way to delimit it.
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Thinking requires language

An interesting article on how persons born deaf think in 'Sign' here: [link to www.straightdope.com]

A quote: "Sign equips native users with the ability to manipulate symbols, grasp abstractions, and actively acquire and process knowledge--in short, to think, in the full human sense of the term. " [emphases mine]

Use different kinds of language to think in different kinds of ways and, thus, change your perspective.

Use Ec to "create your reality" (as is known*). Ec is very close to what you use to perceive and can be used to manipulate your perception as you wish.

*as previously mentioned, you're not creating anything. You're perceiving and experiencing your perspective. You are your perspective. (However, you only think the closest part of your perspective is "you".)

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Greetings, all.

I shall return in a few days.
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Greetings!

I'm back, but I still need a few days to get re-acclimated.

Otherwise I really will not make sense ;)
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Please tell us more about neuronics, OP.

Thank you!

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Greetings Chaol,
I have a few questions, firstly is it possible that through our dreams (even so called out of body experiences)that we pass into your world (0ne of many) the "non physical" for a brief time?

Also, is it possible that the human experience has a purpose, possibly in some way used by our consciousness for expression and to enhance evolution...and that maybe reincarnation is sustained by the attractions and addictions to matter and emotion?

looking forward to hearing more on your reality, and how we can somehow understand it....

sorry, I maybe way of base here but would like to hear your feedback, thank you
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When you no longer have your body it only means one thing.
You are dead.

The only thing you will want after you are dead, is to be resurrected, meaning joined back with your body in it's perfect form.
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welcome back Chaol. look forward to seeing what you have to share.
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When you no longer have your body it only means one thing.
You are dead.

The only thing you will want after you are dead, is to be resurrected, meaning joined back with your body in it's perfect form.
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It sounds as if you have a very limited perception of reality. Come back and join the class when you have graduated.
We are but eternal spiritual beings living a temporary human experience.
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Greetings Chaol,
I have a few questions, firstly is it possible that through our dreams (even so called out of body experiences)that we pass into your world (0ne of many) the "non physical" for a brief time?
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Hi.

Since there is no space there is no passing. However, all 'worlds' are represented in this one. More specifically, everything that exists is also represented in your current perception.

For example, one particle's relation to every other particle in your perception could be a representation of an entire universe. (Just as an illustration.)

So, you could say that at all times (waking, sleeping, etc) do you pass through every other world. The worlds that are most related to yours, including mine, have the most feedback/feedforwards.

Also, is it possible that the human experience has a purpose, possibly in some way used by our consciousness for expression and to enhance evolution...and that maybe reincarnation is sustained by the attractions and addictions to matter and emotion?

looking forward to hearing more on your reality, and how we can somehow understand it....

sorry, I maybe way of base here but would like to hear your feedback, thank you
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Humans are always searching for a reason, aren't we?

The search for the reason is perhaps more valid that the reason itself. Not many of us would want to hear that there may not actually be a 'purpose to life' so I won't say much else about it. If it comforts some, it could be said that the purpose has already been fulfilled.
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<<When you no longer have your body it only means one thing.
You are dead.

The only thing you will want after you are dead, is to be resurrected, meaning joined back with your body in it's perfect form.>>

It sounds as if you have a very limited perception of reality. Come back and join the class when you have graduated.
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As paradoxical or strange as it may sound, we each have a complete view of reality.

Our perspective is complete in that it "contains everything" that exists. Nothing need exist outside of it.

The words someone uses to verbally express their perspective is the only limited thing, we could say. When we speak about our world we are not describing our world but exploring the language we are using to express it. (Similar to how when we are looking into a microscope we are exploring a quality of the microscope rather than what we think is being observed. The extent of the microscope is far-reaching, as it is interacting with your complete perspective.)

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welcome back Chaol. look forward to seeing what you have to share.
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Thanks.

I've also used this time to see what all of you had to share, as well ;)

Further understanding of Ecsys and neuronics will be possible when we have illustrated aspects of such understanding.

You are creating the understanding as you go along. It is not a destination.

The destination is created "upon arrival".

You are the material. It is not about my world or something out there. I am merely attempting to describe yourself. A mirror. The reflection clears up as we unsubscribe from previous ideas about ourselves.
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Would you then say its possible that when we sleep(and still living in this physical reality) there is potential to connect consciously to the non-physical.....of which all exist as 1, but only minutely perceived by our physical senses/intellect.
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Our perspective is complete in that in "contains everything" that exists. Nothing need exist outside of it.

The words someone uses to verbally express their perspective is the only limited thing, we could say. When we speak about our world we are not describing our world but exploring the language we are using to express it. (Similar to how when we are looking into a microscope we are exploring a quality of the microscope rather than what we think is being observed. The extent of the microscope is far-reaching, as it is interacting with your complete perspective.)
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Very insightful and intuitive. I can not agree with this statement more....Thank you.

....side note this ties into everything that I have been learning about the mathematical concept of infinity.
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Would you then say its possible that when we sleep(and still living in this physical reality) there is potential to connect consciously to the non-physical.....of which all exist as 1, but only minutely perceived by our physical senses/intellect.
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If all exist as one, as you say, then we would also connect to the non-physical when we are awake.

Then there would be no difference between what appears to be physical and what appears to be non-physical.

We would be deeply connected to the non-physical when we are awake, then.

It would be all that we perceive.

If existence was maths, for example, we would take one particular formula and call it physicality. But it is actually no different from any other formula, as the elements are the same. It just appears to be different because you can make sense of the equation in a particular way. (You are approaching the same variables from a different perspective.)
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If all exist as one, as you say, then we would also connect to the non-physical when we are awake.

Then there would be no difference between what appears to be physical and what appears to be non-physical.

We would be deeply connected to the non-physical when we are awake, then.

It would be all that we perceive.

If existence was maths, for example, we would take one particular formula and call it physicality. But it is actually no different from any other formula, as the elements are the same. It just appears to be different because you can make sense of the equation in a particular way. (You are approaching the same variables from a different perspective.)
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Yes....exactly we are deeply connected (physical/non-physical) but only minutely aware of this connection....due to physical/social/philosophical/intellectual limitations.....it seems that we can shed these limitations when we OBE.

...and again yes, that was the conclusion I reached about math and its interpretation of infinity.
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Hi Choal,

Is there an time line on the Magic Mirror of Chaos?


And also you have been asking people if they have noticed any thing different in their live from studying the EC symbols so can i ask what you would expect to happen to us?


Thanks
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Hi Choal,

Is there an time line on the Magic Mirror of Chaos?

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Hi.

No time line. Everything pretty much depends on you ;) I'm hoping within the next month, however.

And also you have been asking people if they have noticed any thing different in their live from studying the EC symbols so can i ask what you would expect to happen to us?


Thanks
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Each experience is unique. I am very curious as to what those experiences are, however, and how much people realize what is happening to them.
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Hi Choal,

Is there an time line on the Magic Mirror of Chaos?



Hi.

No time line. Everything pretty much depends on you ;) I'm hoping within the next month, however.



I do not understand how this depends on me or the rest of the people here.

Can you please elaborate?

Thanks
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An experience:

Although Chaol has advised that one should create one's own unique symbol as a representation of what one wishes to manifest, I had this persistent picture of daisies in my mind's eye as a symbol for bringing a fresh, wholesome levity into my household. I also have a couple parakeets in my house for a similar reason: birds singing and chattering in my house seem to bring in the sunshine. They have happily resided in front of that window for the past two-and-a-half years.

I bought the daisies, and I set them near the window which also hosts the parakeet cage. I adjust the window shades every day to allow the birds to see outside and to get a healthy ration of sunlight, so, now, the daisies were sharing the same attention. I made rules around the flowers: I gave them a quarter turn every day; checked the dampness of their soil; buried my nose in them to smell and enjoy their flowery-ness; and vowed to keep daisies on the counter where they were the first thing sighted when walking into that room.

That was two weeks ago. Last week, one of my parakeets took ill. I tried nursing him back to health, but yesterday he died. The entire family was sad about it.

My mind insists on associating the flowers with the death of the parakeet. This may not be true, but there is something in me that insists on that relation.

Any comments?
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An experience:
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Any comments?
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Yes, you have to be careful with this stuff or you can get exactly what you don't want, at least at first. Same has happened to me.

I've asked Chaol to provide more information on how to map the symbols in our current perspective, to symbols in an altered perspective that we want to shift to.

Until some kind of mapping technique is presented in an understandable way, it's really just guess work - and with any kind of normal guessing it's just as likely to be wrong as right.

Your experience, and some of mine, prove that out.

I guess the good news is these show that the techniques do something.

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