Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)

Hey Curve, have you commited the ec characters and their meaning to memory yet? I've made flash cards and I understand the characters as an input/ output, the associated sound, image and meaning. Do you have any recommendations beyond finding associations throughout the day to practice when idle?

Chaol, is it inappropriate to use strait vertical and horizontal lines with right angles instead of the jagged lines like in -s-p? Would a straight line with appropriately placed "boxes" suffice?


Thanks again.

Edit- I assume it would be, because it is mostly for personal use.

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 10/04/2011 06:07 PM

I was wondering the same thing, but came to the conclusion that the zig-zagging was an important part of mind mapping/reprogramming/shaping.

Also, I am teaching my kids Ec as I learn (assist others and you will be assisted), and am wondering if you could please provide a simple definition and some examples of their use for the symbols -PL (kata) and -P-L (booba).

On one of Chaol's earlier posts in this thread he noted booba was "changing" and kata is "continuous"

You are probably asking for additional clarification, if so it would be nice to get some examples. I personally considered synonyms to clarify the terms inernally, but it would be nice to hear Chaol's interpretation.

I marvel at how you guys even can learn this stuff... let alone use it. To me it is mathematical gibberish (but maybe not being a native english speaker doesn't help reading the instructions).

Tuur...I am really just beginning to familiarise myself with the symbols and their pronunciations. I do want to reassure you that it is not neccessarily mathematical at all, although it can be applied that way. I understand the extra challenge you face being that English is your second language. Why not use the Genius to assist you in understanding Ec as it was suggested to me earlier in this thread?

MM...yes, I was just hoping for further clarification regarding the definitions of continuous and changing. In terms I could describe to my children (and myself).

Anyone have any thoughts on Chaol linking us to the part of the thread where he explains a little about DNA?

Homework?

I forgot to add this question to an earlier post of mine. Chaol, is it important to physically write the Ec icons in order beginning with input, ending with output?

It is most important to understand that everything is YOUR perspective, there is nothing independent of your perspective. Once you "feel" or "believe" that, then you can know that some things are close to you (in reality, time, distance) and some things are distant from you (in reality, time, distance).

Then it is important to understand all that you perceive can be understood (internally, via perspective) as logic(rules, guidelines, law, etc), possibility(paths for logic to follow, potential, space, etc), interaction(relationships or possibilities with logic/logic with possibilities) or symbol(representation, definition, names, paradigms, etc.

Then you can map them out with logic to your left, possibility beneath you, interaction to your right and symbol above you.

Then you can choose to separate logic, possibility, interaction and symbol each into High(strong, better, more than it's norm), Neutral(normal, average, what you'd expect) and Low(less than normal, weak, worse) versions of themself.

Then you can create an input and output, using high, neutral or low values of logic, possibility, interaction and symbol to begin to notice the more subtle aspects of your reality that you may or may not have previously defined. It's kind of like metaphor.

Chaol has us map it out on a chart, then extract the characters and assign a visual(the character), auditory(the internal/external sound) to them, to better remember the meaning and allow your mind to quickly notice it as it appears around you.


I may have been a little out of line, but I am finding as I work to memorize EC, I perceive a kinesthetic(feeling) aspect to them as well with the left of me(my perspective), below me, right of me, above me thing. I hope to learn this is a bad idea before I have to unlearn it.

I hope this helps.

I started doing that, assuming that it must be that way, but ya, I was wondering the same thing. It feels awkward, having learned to write in english, but I find it makes more sense (to me) to do it from input to output instead of concerning myself with left and right, I associate them with logic and interaction respectively. (not that I've written all that much ec, when I do, I haven't bothered with the boxes and do little curls in the direction the box should be, I am probably all kinds of wrong)

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 10/04/2011 09:04 PM

It would be nice to be that far along, so that I could do more than speculate. Perhaps he is attempting at giving us a carrot on a stick(what would that concept be? Meaningful symbol, with low possibility? so like: +S-P? Hmm.. perspective)

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

DNA consists of 4 symbols A, C, G and T. They have to represent logic, possibility, interaction and symbol at some level. I suppose one day I should read up on it.

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 10/04/2011 09:14 PM

I suppose I will have to bring DNA closer to my perspective also...though I hesitate to learn anything that I know I will be 'unlearning' down the track.


By the way MM, I continue to enjoy your explanations. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I am really glad to talk (interact) with someone who is looking to understand the same stuff (symbols) I am. Thank you Curve, I look forward to hearing more of your thoughts as well.

Feel like classmates.

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I have created an email address for those that wish to communicate further outside of this thread. All welcome.

Exactly how I feel. Hence the email.

Perhaps not much difference between one kind of representation and an other kind.



Yep. That'd be a fairly accurate analogy.



Yep.



Yes! You got it!

(Although take out parenthesized last phrase.)



A few languages, but English (or whatever natural language comes naturally to you) has great influence over how we use our brains and how we think, what we think about, etc.



It is good for the job but now that there are things to consider (less relative to what English & c. can describe) we need different ways of conceptualizing it.



More important than the number of colors is how useful each color is.

It could be, for example, that 4 colors is much more useful than 4 billion colors. Especially if those 4 colors can be used in a seemingly endless variety of ways.



Or, the "basic elements" from which all other elements arise.



They are the same.

Each thing or relationship in our perspective is a temporary symbol. (Temporary because our perspective does not hang on to it.)



It is already there because the physical representation of the thing is the symbol itself.

If you represented your own spaceship as 10-layer stack of mango wood, for example, the symbol would be your spaceship.

There would be no need for the spaceship of your fantasy (that you could climb into) to exist because it exists all ready.

The point is to make one symbol relative to an other symbol. (That is why we create symbols.. to form a logical pathway.)



The hat is the head, as far as it needs to exist (all things considered).

The Law of 5/2 (Energy Perspective) implies that no energy is wasted.

The 'future' spaceship is "contained" in the wooden spaceship.

Some may call it a holographic universe, but it's really just saving energy when there's no need for it to exist in all perspectives as the same thing.

It is ready just when it needs to be.



Yes, because one thing must be relative to an other thing in order to exist.

We know each thing from something else.

(The thing is not as real as the relationship, you could say.)



Or, "pretending" that the hole is there everywhere else.

Some would say, acting as if. (Which may also create the necessary field relationships.)



One thing, a seemingly infinite expression when it cannot be contained in any one perception.

It is recursive in this way because there is actually only one thing.

But it needs to be two in order to exist.

One thing cannot exist without being relative to something else.



Yep.



Again, the planets, Earth, galaxies, neighbors in the universe do not need to exist until you perceive them.

Planets do not exist but in the imagination. When you look at one through a telescope then a new kind of relationship is made. But there is no atmosphere in this perception, and it need not exist until you go there and interact with it.

The Law of Energy Perspective is symbol (5) without possibility (2) which comes alive only through interaction (3).

Without interaction with the representation, it exists only as a possibility (i.e., does not exist).



You got it! I'm impressed :)



Yes. And that is what Einstein had been working on for many years.

Perhaps one day we'll find the scribbles.



In Ec, there is no right or wrong. There is only perspective.

If you think cats are evil then you'd map it out as such.

You can say "cat" in English but does the person to whom you are speaking really know how you feel?

When you exercise the expression in Ec the person may know that you're talking about something 'feline' and 'evil' for example. They'd usually use their own perspective about what it is.

That's the beauty of Ec. By communicating in it you form a tremendous amount of relationships and, thus, more things become relative. (Thus, expansion of what you'd call intelligence and lots of other fun stuff.)

However, it may be hard to conceptualize how a word in Ec can have both standard definitions and a more nebulous definition.

But actually, in English you do it all the time in a somewhat different way. (Ever pick up on social queues? Maybe a friend's "yes" has a deeper meaning, for example.)

Hope this helps :)

In the real world there is neither physicality nor lack of it.

Hi.

Try to send me a message to my message box.

I may direct you back to this forum so everyone can learn from it, but you can still try.

Green is what's "killing" us, not the other way around.

I know it doesn't seem like it, though.

Interesting assumptions but my reality is physical.

Yes, I have a special message. And it's only $19.95 and starts with Anand.

I'm glad to hear that :)

Good luck in your endeavors. Should you need some assistance, please reply here.

Thanks.

Not illegal. The numbers work as words, too.

In that case, I've asked you this in your other thread, but it seems more appropriate here:

"Flash cards help to memorize EC, I understand the concept of an input and an output but I haven't quite grasped the input/output in relation to the elements. I've just been guessing and assuming I am right."

"Could you (Chaol) or anyone else with a better grasp, help me to better understand (adjust my perspective) to see what exactly we mean in EC when we say input and output? How does that relate to the high/neutral/low aspects of each element and why/how it applies to concepts?

I assume that "TA"(like in taboo) for instance -P +L ec#9 is something akin to, well I dunno. This is where I am lost. I can guess, and if I do it'd be something like the actual word "Taboo", relative to me, something that is taboo (to me) is something I would personally consider irrational or inappropriate for me to do therefore a low possibility from my perspective that I'd consider it close to me? High logic because it's easy to define something as taboo, or unaccepted? Lol, I have no clue, like I said guessing... could use a little guidance."

Thank you.


Couldn't sleep, too noisy from all the pennies dropping.

EC by osmosis. Wow, it is mind expanding, and I have only caught a glimpse through binoculars of the tip of this iceberg.

Still asking some fairly rudimentary questions while I begin to assimilate the basics. Interacting/experimenting with the language of Ec I think has been the most effective method for myself to gain an understanding of the code of Ecsys and therefore the genius. Hmm maybe it has really kinda been simultaneous. I can tend to do things ass about face though.


Ok, back to Ec.

Is the input of an icon of 'greater' relevance/value/meaning than the output?

Assuming such, when we create a string of icons, would it be logical to restrict the use of each neuronic (S,I,P,L) only once per string, rather than repeat them (if our perception could be expressed adequately)? And to write them in order beginning S through L?

Apologies if I am repeating questions.

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Was there a rule which assigned the numbers of Ec a certain icon? Say one which related to frequencies or the like (just an example).

Or am I missing the obvious definition of the icons?

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Me again...is there any reason we would translate only the first 30 most popular English words into single icon expressions when there are 54 available (after subtracting 10 for numbers, and 2 for kata and booba)?


Thanks again.


Shell.

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