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BREAKING! OMG! WIKILEAKS IS ONLY CREDIBLE WHEN IT MAKES THE USA LOOK BAD!!

 
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The cable in question:
[link to cablegate.wikileaks.org]
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For all those who consistantly criticise American Citizens, AKA "The US", public and foreign policy, the political agenda, and so on, are under the direct control of the government administration, the people are basically kept in the dark and not consulted on the day to day decisions made by those on capitol hill.
The actions of those in power, do not always reflect the needs, aspirations and attitude of all the citizens.
Even when 70% or more of the US population, don't agree with, and voice their opposition to, any particular legal stance, political position or direction the leaders are proposing, we are ignored and told it's in our best interest.
We have been lied to, cheated, manipulated, duped and have been used as pawns in their game of financial greed, lust for power and control, just like many other nations on the planet have.

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Of course, most people from outside the USA make that seperation. But some sidenotes should be made IMO:
- Too many americans on here seem seem to go way overboard with their conspiracy-theories and therefore sketching a situation of the TPTB in their own country and the world that just isnt realistic or true, more a situation of believe then trusting on facts / ratio.
- If the situation in your country bothers you so much why don't you start your own political party or force the existing parties to change there course. Of course, the current system is partly corrupted by too, but is not like its some evil, overpowering illuminati-system many of you make it out to be (see my first point). Youre still living in a democratic and free country: take you opportunities, fight for it, and dont believe all the conspiracy-hype.. LOL
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So tell us why it's bullshit?????

Because AC said so!
 Quoting: Evil Twin

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Amazing that wikileaks is now releasing diplomatic documents of not just the US, but also around the world. That could do serious damage.
GLP = Whirlwind of stupid.
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USA doesn't need Wikileaks to look bad. They are doing a very good job on their Own.


You shouldn't talk...

"Portugal’s Economy Struggles"

"We’re waiting for the government to do something, but they’re totally disorganized,”

[link to www.nytimes.com]
 Quoting: anonymous321


100% agree with you. But Wikileaks isn't about the Portuguese goverment actions on other countries. And that's why I made that comment.
If the question was about my countrie I'ld write the same.

But the Thread title is ...

"BREAKING! OMG! WIKILEAKS IS ONLY CREDIBLE WHEN IT MAKES THE - USA - LOOK BAD!!"
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if sites can be & have been seized - why hasnt wikileaks been seized?
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After thinking about this over a smoke - it dawned on me that they are seizing domains over 'copyrights' allegedly.

However - I bet they could just shut it down over "National Security" if they really wanted to....

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Evil Twin,

Youre simply playing the 'oh look, the rest of the world is bashing us again!' sentimental-card here, when its obvious that the worlds biggest player in the OP/Psyop-field within the western world, is most likely the country which generates the highest number of leaked information.

You totally missed the point of the thread.

What exactly is the point of this thread OP? Help us slow ones out a little hunter

N Korea helping Iran and USA spying are not big surprises.
 Quoting: Reclaimer117

Every country spy's, no surprise their.
What I can't get passed is, if really important info was being leaked....Wikileaks and owner would be wiped from the internet and planet in seconds.
You have one life. Live it.
You have one voice, use it.
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[link to cablegate.wikileaks.org]
¶8. (S) In recent meetings with senior USG officials, MbZ has
expressed clear support for U.S. initiatives against Iran.
MbZ and UAE Vice President and Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed
bin Rashid agreed with Secretary Rice February 23 about the
need to counter Iran's growing influence in the region and
its nuclear ambitions, although they specified that any
sanctions should target the key Iranian leadership, not the
Iranian people (ref I). MbZ told A/S Welch March 28 that he
did not think it was necessary to wait for all Gulf
Cooperation Council (GCC) countries to agree before
proceeding with any plans against Iran (ref E). "Whoever is
interested in getting on board ship should be encouraged," he
said. "I don't think it's logical or smart to wait for
everyone to get involved so we can sail. ... If another GCC
member believes it's not right, that's his choice." In the
Arab region, MbZ specifically identified Bahrain and Jordan
as two countries that also view Iran as a threat and that are
"capable to work with us." He told A/S Welch that the UAE
would prepare a paper responding to USG concerns about Iran
and mechanisms for addressing the challenge posed by Iran.
In a March 27 meeting with CENTCOM Commander General Abizaid,
MbZ spoke about the Iranian threat with a greater sense of
urgency. He was strongly in favor of taking action against
Iran and its president sooner rather than later. "I believe
this guy is going to take us to war. ... It's a matter of
time," MbZ warned, adding that action against Iran and
President Ahmedinejad should be taken this year or next year.

MbZ said he was unwilling to wait much longer. "Personally,
I cannot risk it with a guy like Ahmedinejad. He is young
and aggressive."
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I have just learned from several very smart ACs that this leaked cable is obviouly bullshit:

[link to www.nytimes.com]
Iran Fortifies Its Arsenal With the Aid of North Korea

while this other leaked cable is verified evidence of the USA's treachery:

[link to www.nytimes.com]
U.S. Expands Role of Diplomats in Spying


So tell us why it's bullshit?????

Because AC said so!
 Quoting: Evil Twin



LMAO.

Oh my, the patriotic Americans feel attacked once again.

Patriotism is a weapon.
they don't care about US

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WIKILEAKS is a diversion for the real story that going on.

If you STOP a minute and think for a second. You get the picture.

Let's go back in history to IRAK. What was the given publicity to invade that country, supposed to have some kind of a mass destruction weapon.

If you look whats going on around the wikileaks files, they are given you a picture that they want country's to go against each other throats. This means crate tension to have an excuse for exercise implantation of laws and pass on bill's for the execution of a bigger out fowling or event in the world like a false flag.

PEOPLE please weak up and try to concentrate on the real business that are occurring around every country in world.

like Health care cost are rising, economics are collapsing, freedom of speech is becoming very dangerous and could cost you're live, food is being controlled by Geo-engineering making weather so that crops died in fields or cannot sprout, Money is becoming very scares, unemployment is rising, everything that you have right to have, we have to pay for it.
This is the 21 century of enslavement.

Why don't we all have the birthright (Omega prime being) to have a free living without worrying about food and shelter and money and all complications of live for surviving it.

This is then called freedom. We have to push our world to a better place. I made my contribution today in starting a topic of the real world we live in...

I leave you for minute to think about it? Peace and Freedom to the people.

peace
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Tell us the point then as I v missed it too.

That Wikileaks is controlled and approved propaganda.
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Well, on GLP there will always be people saying that everyone's an Illuminati puppet, and that all information, even the scandalous, is part of the puppet masters' designed play.

While I admit the possibility that Wikileaks is part of the design, I wouldn't be too sure about it, and to me there's more evidence pointing for Wikileaks not being a puppet organization than the opposite.
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Nice try, but I still say bugger off shill.
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god you British are pretentious
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Step back, think about this, and decide who this is for. Think about WHY this is being made public. WHO is benefitting from this.
 Quoting: *Jentle*


Who benefits is exactly the right question. We should always ask that.
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Well, on GLP there will always be people saying that everyone's an Illuminati puppet, and that all information, even the scandalous, is part of the puppet masters' designed play.

While I admit the possibility that Wikileaks is part of the design, I wouldn't be too sure about it, and to me there's more evidence pointing for Wikileaks not being a puppet organization than the opposite.

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Applaudes for some common sense in this thread :)
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USA doesn't need Wikileaks to look bad. They are doing a very good job on their Own.

I have to agree with you.If it was fake,then why are the higher ups freaking?
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I noticed that politicians and even media figures look stressed out today
REFUSENICK

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Everything is running right on schedule....There are no coincidences........Tap Runs Out
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
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Nice try, but I still say bugger off shill.

god you British are pretentious
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if sites can be & have been seized - why hasnt wikileaks been seized?


I believe the sites were based in the US.

I believe the wiki site is not based in the US, so there are issues doing it legally.

pirate bay & others werent hosted in the usa


the pirate bay is still up. The only sites that were seized, were those that were hosted in the US by US companies. The US gov't has no authority requesting ICANN to change DNS information for sites not hosted in the US.
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correction - there was one - was it demonoid? one p2p site that was seized.
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if sites can be & have been seized - why hasnt wikileaks been seized?


After thinking about this over a smoke - it dawned on me that they are seizing domains over 'copyrights' allegedly.

However -
I bet they could just shut it down over "National Security" if they really wanted to....

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bingo.....and????????

my points been made
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Yes, we are. Thank god.
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rolleyes
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Yes, we are. Thank god.

rolleyes
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Just my inane sense of humour. Don't take me seriously.

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USA doesn't need Wikileaks to look bad. They are doing a very good job on their Own.
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And Europe is a shining example we should all emulate, eh?

dumbass
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Just my inane sense of humour. Don't take me seriously.
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hf

I don't and I like British folk.

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Evil Twin,

Youre simply playing the 'oh look, the rest of the world is bashing us again!' sentimental-card here, when its obvious that the worlds biggest player in the OP/Psyop-field within the western world, is most likely the country which generates the highest number of leaked information.

You totally missed the point of the thread.
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Yes, because you and your fellow shills aren't being intentionally vague at all...
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if sites can be & have been seized - why hasnt wikileaks been seized?


After thinking about this over a smoke - it dawned on me that they are seizing domains over 'copyrights' allegedly.

However -
I bet they could just shut it down over "National Security" if they really wanted to....


bingo.....and????????

my points been made
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Yeah - it didn't take away from your point.
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Just my inane sense of humour. Don't take me seriously.

hf

I don't and I like British folk.

cheers
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Well, my American cousin, remember we all need to stick together in these difficult times. Peace and love to all.
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Iran Fortifies Its Arsenal With the Aid of North Korea
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The cables reflect views held inside the American government. The exposure of such views has value in itself in helping American citizens evaluate their leaders, whether or not the views reflect reality.

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Yes, because you and your fellow shills aren't being intentionally vague at all...

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Give me a fucking break please, some of you people are really paranoid. Just because my opinion differs from that of Evil Twin and maybe from the majority in here, doesnt mean that i am spreading some specific agenda and working togetherswith others to spread that, let alone get paid for it.

I am just a a simple guy from the Netherlands, expressing my own views, nothing more, nothing less.

You folks who see 'shills' everywhere are the ones who are disillusional.. lol
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You folks who see 'shills' everywhere are the ones who are disillusional.. lol
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shill shill shill

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