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Third Secret of Fatima + Russia (Nov 30th/2010)

 
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ONE:

In her memoirs, Lucia writes of a warning spoken by Mary pertaining to the failure of Vatican officials to obey her requests before the point in time that Russia reeks havoc upon the world:
"Later...Our Lady said to me, complaining: "Not wishing to attend to my request! Like the King of France, they will repent then make it happen, but it will be (done) late. Russia will have already spread it's errors through the world, provoking wars, and persecutions of the Church: The Pope will have much to suffer."
(in Portuguese: Mais tarde...Nossa Senhora disse-me, queixando-se: Não quiseram atender ao Meu pedido! Como o rei de França, arrepender-se-ão e fá-la-ão, mas será tarde. A Rússia terá já espalhado os seus erros pelo mundo, mundo, provocando guerras, perseguições à igreja: O Santo Padre terá muito que sofrer)



TWO:

In 1980, during a trip to Fulda Germany, Pope John Paul II made remarks about the Third Secret. He stated that:
"my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves."

We already know that the Fatima prophecies speak precisely about Russia and more particularly "Russia's errors" rather than "communism." Thus in all likelihood JPII is referring to the then communist superpower RUSSIA when using the broader term "world power of communism."

For the Vatican to withhold publication of the Third Secret for decades due to fear of the Russians/Communists reacting with "certain moves" indicates that those "certain moves" are significant and grave. For instance the Third Secret may contain provocative words that infuriate Russia into a vengeful military attack against the Vatican.


A third secret element that would definitely infuriate Russia would be something along the lines of a prophecy that states: the leader of Russia at the time of the chastisement is possessed by demons from hell!



THREE:

During the Vatican's release of the "vision" portion of the Third Secret in June 26, 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger(now the Pope) wrote for the commentary:
"Here it would be appropriate to mention a phrase from the letter which Sister Lucia wrote to the Holy Father on 12 May 1982: “The THIRD PART of the ‘secret' refers to Our Lady's words: ‘If not, [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated'”

Ratzinger's words in June 2000 explicitly reveals that the Third Secret vision pertains to RUSSIA'S errors "causing wars and persecutions of the Church".

Therefore in order for a FUTURE fulfillment of the Third Secret of Fatima that involves a violent religious persecution and a Pope killed by soldiers...RUSSIA must in the FUTURE, become politically transformed into the tool that serves as the primary cause that brings about the period of religious persecution prophesied by the Fatima Prophecies. It is Russia that God uses to punish the world with war and persecution, suffering of the Pope, and annihilation.

If the Vatican considered there was even a 1% chance the Fatima Prophecy were a divine message from God, despite the conspiracy to hide the existence of the "words" of the Third Secret in June 2000, they would have certainly taken precaution against God's wrath by hedging their bet and actually reveal the gist of the Secret albeit less directly. Which they did in the commentary when Ratzinger included that quote attributed to the seer(Lucia), once again being: "Here it would be appropriate to mention a phrase from the letter which Sister Lucia wrote to the Holy Father on 12 May 1982: “The THIRD PART of the ‘secret' refers to Our Lady's words: ‘If not, [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated'”


So the real secret is that the Third portion of the Secret and the Second portion are actually two parts of one single unified secret. The reference to world war I and world war II in the second secret would be brief mentions of the two wars that would precede a separate Russian driven chastisement. Previous events regarding Russia and world war II would be shadows of future events to come.


Russia would be heading towards a moment of war that would change everything.




FOUR:

Malachi Martin, Secretary of high ranking Cardinal Bea, was shown the Third Secret in the 1960's.

Eight years before Ratzinger's June 2000 commentary, in Malachi Martin's 1992 book "The Keys of this Blood" (pg630-631) he indicated the role of Russia with the comments :

i)"Russia, according to the text of the 'Third Secret,' was the regulator of the timetable."

ii)"Lucia's single-page written formulation of the "Third Secret" covers three main topics. (1) A Physical chastisement of the nations...(2) A spiritual chastisement...(3) A central function of Russia in the two ...(which)..In fact, the physical and spiritual chastisements, according to Lucia's letter, are to be gridded on a fateful timetable in which Russia is the ratchet."




FIVE:

Long before Cardinal Ratzinger wrote the June 2000 commentary, the Cardinal released a book containing an interview given by him to Vittorio Messori which included some questions about the Third Secret. The interview occurred in the mid 1980's.

Detailed on pages 109 and 110 of his book "The Ratzinger Report":

-"Cardinal Ratzinger, have you read the so-called 'third secret of Fatima'...?"
-The reply is immediate and dry: "Yes, I have read it."

At the end of the question's pertaining to the Third Secret, after Ratzinger states "to publish the 'third secret' would mean exposing the Church to the danger of sensationalism" Vittorio Messori then writes: "that Perhaps also political implications, I venture, since it seems that here, also, as in the two other "secrets," Russia is mentioned? At this point however, the Cardinal declares that he is not in a position to go further into the matter and firmly refuses to discuss particulars."


-Cardinal Ratzinger's reaction to the mention of the word "Russia" in the context of the Third Secret demonstrates Vittorio's question hit a nerve. if Russia was NOT mentioned in the Secret, Ratzinger would have no need to react as such. His reaction seemed to indicate at that time that he was instructed in 1984 not to reveal that Russia was part of the Secret and not to falsely deny that Russia was part of the Secret. That would explain Ratzinger's choice to evade the subject at the mere mention of Russia.




SIX:

For his 1947 book "Our Lady of Fatima" author William Thomas Walsh interviewed Sister Lucia in 1946 --a year she was not yet forbidden to give interviews.

On page 221 of "Our Lady of Fatima", Walsh writes:

"she said more than once and with deliberate emphasis: "What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world.' "
"Does this mean, in your opinion, that every country, without exception, will be overcome by Communism?"
"Yes."(replied Lucia)."


Mary told Lucia that Russia's "errors" will spread to every country of the world, but in the 1940's to 1990 pretty much every believer in the world including Sister Lucia herself, would have assumed that Russia's errors were equatable with communism.

I would consider "Russia's errors" to be the tactics of a yet to arrive Russian Hitler that would rebuild the ego and glory of the Russian empire at the expense of the weak. These Russian errors could/would include such things as persecuting religious minorities at the behest of the majority, the blackmail of weaker nations, persecution of every kind of minority, declaring might as right/war to achieve all the needs of the state(attaining food, wealth, gas, slaves etc,) or something. Russia's tactics/errors that would spread to every country would be for egoism, diversion of attention, and ultimately to pacify the voting public during times of economic collapse, hunger, and chaos. The future Russia, possibly led by Vladimir Zhirinovsky, may echo some of the ways of the former communists, but it's behavior would be more extreme and frightening.





SEVEN:

The entire message of Fatima in entwined with Russia:

If divine forces are responsible for the Apparitions of Mary to Portugal in 1917, it is clear in context, that the major reason the year 1917 was selected for the Apparition to arrive was for the reason that Vladimir Lenin and the anti-religious Communists forced their way into power to take control of Russia less than one month after the Miracle of the Sun/Final Apparition.

Thus the Apparitions in the year 1917 establishes a connection between the Fatima Prophecies to a present(1917) and future transformation of Russia into a godless religious persecuting state.


From there, Mary indicates that even though she knows the Church officials will refuse to obey her requests thus dooming itself, she provides the remedy for world peace:

Her remedy given to the Church requires that the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the world in a public event "Consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart."

"If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church."



With the anti-religious communists in power in Russia, the request to consecrate Russia with the world watching, forces the Vatican to risk irritating and provoking the Soviet Union.


Releasing the WORDS of the Third Secret poses a significantly bigger threat to the Vatican's worldly interests. Not only does it's publication risk infuriating Russia, it risks making the Vatican lose substantial credibility if the dated prophecies seem to fail to materialize.


By having lied about the Third Secret in the year 2000, lied about Lucia's words in the year 2000, and lying in a book about the subject released in 2007(The Last Secret of Fatima-Cardinal Bertone)--as the abhorrent sexual scandal in the Church reaches it's climactic point in the future--the Vatican would be compelled to finally release the suppressed words of the Third Secret once the events have arrived and there is no longer doubt...but in doing so, the Vatican would have revealed to the entire world that it lied to protect it's earthly interests over Fatima thus appearing to much of the world that it is equally guilty of lying to protect it's skin in the explosively shocking sex scandal near the top of the Church that would have revealed itself at that time.

In order for the Pope to finally obey God and release the Third Secret, the cost in the end will be epic.
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bump.
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This bump is for Pegleg for trying to imply that I plagiarized
off this thread. Notice the same id number 1180012.
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for some reason i have always felt mary has cryed for her russian children since they killed the czar and his family the true leaders of the country their will never be peace in russia untill a king sits on the throne of russia once more
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Secrets, threats, warnings, unfulfilled prophecies, Popes not interested, afraid or against the truth, the Pope and Vatican having an official interpretation or position that is flawed, crusades to release the full Third Secret as that released by the Vatican is false, etc etc. The entire Fatima revelations history is a sad history of nonsense, reflecting in a small way the history of Christianity that's also filled with centuries of all sorts of nonsense. They'll do anything to push for their religion, while maintaining a state of denial.
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From: [link to www.courlisius.org]

Russia will remain politically stable, materialistic, and atheistic. People who keep saying that Russia is beginning to be converted, as Our Blessed Lady stated at Fatima, show complete ignorance and confused mind. Together with other global powers, Russia will remain godless. Even the increasing number of Christians will not change this fact. The real conversion of Russia comes after World War III. This is the only true meaning of the Message of Fatima. Military leaders will take over power in Russia before World War III.
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Mary is a spiritual false flag. Go figure.
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Secrets, threats, warnings, unfulfilled prophecies, Popes not interested, afraid or against the truth, the Pope and Vatican having an official interpretation or position that is flawed, crusades to release the full Third Secret as that released by the Vatican is false, etc etc. The entire Fatima revelations history is a sad history of nonsense, reflecting in a small way the history of Christianity that's also filled with centuries of all sorts of nonsense. They'll do anything to push for their religion, while maintaining a state of denial.
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And what religion are you you Muppet?
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For decades Catholics were told that Mary had ordered the Third Secret to be revealed by a certain date. IF they believed, they would have obeyed...NOT decided that they knew better. Who the heck is any pope to argue with the BVM?
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Good work OP

Add what J R Nyquist: Prophecies of WW3

[link to www.jrnyquist.com]

"Lucia, the last living seer from Fatima, 7 April 1990 (Fatima was 1917):

"The events taking place in Europe are a deception. Russia will be the scourge for all nations, because it was not converted. Russia attacks the West, and China invades in Asia."

Egger Gilge, Austria (1663-1735):

"One day the red-skirted will come and then it will be terrible."

Alois Irlmaier, Bavaria 1950:

"The Russians do not stop anywhere while running in their three wedges. Day and night they run in order to reach the Ruhr district, where the many furnaces and chimneys are...."

"It will be after the confusions in the balkans."

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Germany has already made a secret deal with Russia. Alois Irlmaier states the Russians will waltz through Germany.

As for America, Russia has been given Alaska, Canada and some Northern states. China from the West and south. Perhaps Cuba attacking Florida and/or Germany attacking NorthEast.

"In the end, my Immaculate Heart will TRIUMPH"
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Father Gruner is one of the best sources for discerning the Fatima reveltions.

[link to fatima.org]

An associate of Father Gruner, Father Paul Kramer has been publishing a report about the sisters in Sister Lucias' convent saying that Sister Lucia told some of the sisters that the third secret of Fatima would be revealed in its entirety during World War 3.
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You people do realize what an absolute blood bath it would be for any nation who invaded the United States? There are more guns per capital than fucking blades of grass. Bring it on. Should be interesting...
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I have read the three secrets of Fatima, at least what has been released to the public, and I find it highly suspect. First of all, it wasn't released when it was supposed to be, in 1960, but 40 years later, too late to be of any help. Secondly, it seems very possible that this 'secret' was made up after the fact to fit the events that had already happened, specifically the second world war and the cold war, with nothing new being revealed. It is curious that the writer of this alleged prophecy had a good understanding of the symbolism used in Revelation, such as the demons and creatures that are described, which represent organizations and countries, but then that itself is not so extraordinary. Lots of people have figured out that symbolism. Third, the 'Lady of the Rosary' does not actually identify herself as Mary, and seems to be arrogating to herself authority that rightfully belongs to God. I am not convinced of its authenticity, and even less so of the integrity of Cardinal Bertone. For those who don't know, he's the one who went on a TV interview and failed to make his case for the veracity of the claims that the entire secret has been revealed, but rather he has made it seem more in doubt than before.

But then what can you expect from Rome?
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secret still not revealed news just two weeks ago

[link to www.fatimacrusader.com]


Summer 2010
Articles in Issue 95
Making History:
The Fatima Challenge Rocks Rome
by Father Nicholas Gruner, S.T.L., S.T.D. (Cand.)


The Pope Speaks:
Fatima Center Vindicated


So There Was a "Fourth" Secret After All
by Antonio Socci — "Libero", May 12, 2010


Pope Benedict XVI tells us:
The Third Secret is Unfolding NOW!


Bertone Must Go:
The Secretary of State Opposes the Pope on Fatima
Taken from the 2010 Edition of The Devil's Final Battle


Why the Pope is Contradicting Bertone (and Messori)
by Antonio Socci — "Libero", May 13, 2010


The Hidden Text:
What the Third Secret Says
by Father Paul Kramer, B.Ph., S.T.B., M.Div., S.T.L. (Cand.)


The Fatima Challenge: Bring this Historic Conference Home
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[link to www.fatimacrusader.com]
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Special News Release

June 25, 2010

Truth about the Third Secret is out — and on Italian TV

see [link to www.fatima.org]
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I have read the three secrets of Fatima, at least what has been released to the public, and I find it highly suspect. First of all, it wasn't released when it was supposed to be, in 1960, but 40 years later, too late to be of any help. Secondly, it seems very possible that this 'secret' was made up after the fact to fit the events that had already happened, specifically the second world war and the cold war, with nothing new being revealed. It is curious that the writer of this alleged prophecy had a good understanding of the symbolism used in Revelation, such as the demons and creatures that are described, which represent organizations and countries, but then that itself is not so extraordinary. Lots of people have figured out that symbolism. Third, the 'Lady of the Rosary' does not actually identify herself as Mary, and seems to be arrogating to herself authority that rightfully belongs to God. I am not convinced of its authenticity, and even less so of the integrity of Cardinal Bertone. For those who don't know, he's the one who went on a TV interview and failed to make his case for the veracity of the claims that the entire secret has been revealed, but rather he has made it seem more in doubt than before.

But then what can you expect from Rome?
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Cardinal Bertone:

Idol1
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Father Gruner is one of the best sources for discerning the Fatima reveltions.

[link to fatima.org]

An associate of Father Gruner, Father Paul Kramer has been publishing a report about the sisters in Sister Lucias' convent saying that Sister Lucia told some of the sisters that the third secret of Fatima would be revealed in its entirety during World War 3.
 Quoting: Dino-B.C.


Can u elaborate on this?

Fr. Kramer is usually spot on.

Thanks Dino

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please see and read the previous link
also sign up to get he free magazine

it explains all about the the popoe just two weeks ago ststing that the secret is bring revealed right before our eyes at this time in the news

quite interesting if you want to become aware please read and sign up for free magazine you wont regret it
however it is quite unnerving news

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the site and readings also prove with eveidence that there is infac a written third secret that is in a sealed envelope with some initials on it.
the magazine and site explains the history of the non revealing of its contents and what past popes have said and did with it
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please excuse my typing
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[link to www.medjugorje.net]

plenty of info and news
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You people do realize what an absolute blood bath it would be for any nation who invaded the United States? There are more guns per capital than fucking blades of grass. Bring it on. Should be interesting...
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[link to online.wsj.com]

and

[link to home.flash.net]
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Father Gruner is one of the best sources for discerning the Fatima reveltions.

[link to fatima.org]

An associate of Father Gruner, Father Paul Kramer has been publishing a report about the sisters in Sister Lucias' convent saying that Sister Lucia told some of the sisters that the third secret of Fatima would be revealed in its entirety during World War 3.
 Quoting: Dino-B.C.


Can u elaborate on this?

Fr. Kramer is usually spot on.

Thanks Dino

Sursum Corda
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Father Kramer:

Shortly before spring 1991, when I visited Fatima, Our Lady revealed to Sister Lucy (according to a very reliable source in Fatima) that the Third Secret would be revealed during the course of a major war. The Third Secret has not yet been fully revealed, as even Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger admitted in a private conversation with a German speaking person, a personal friend of Pope John Paul II for many years (who is personally known to me) who confronted him about the alleged publication of the "whole" Third Secret. Ratzinger answered: "Truly, that was not all of it." The Third Secret will be revealed, but it will be late: only after the next world war will have broken out.


LINK:

[link to www.fatimacrusader.com]



Father Kramer is always very interesting to listen to.

"Sursum Corda".... Do you attend a traditional Mass? I attend an SSPX chapel here in British Columbia. Peace.
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Pedophiles in the church is supposed to be a secret? LMAO, Catholics are so stupid.
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hi dino
i'm just a lost soul looking for help in this world gone mad
thanks for the sentiment
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evidently you are not aware that this tragedy extends to most sects.
however only the catholic faith gets the publicity
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hi dino
i'm just a lost soul looking for help in this world gone mad
thanks for the sentiment
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I hear you.



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[link to thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com]
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TOPPING PATTERN COMPLETE? - [link to thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com]

RUSSIA WAS BEHIND 9/11: [link to thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com]
RUSSIA'S SECRET WAR PLANS: [link to thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com]
RUSSIA'S LYING TO THIS WORLD: [link to thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com]

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. [2 Thessalonians 2:8]

Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. [Psalm 68:4] [link to thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com]
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You people do realize what an absolute blood bath it would be for any nation who invaded the United States? There are more guns per capital than fucking blades of grass. Bring it on. Should be interesting...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1157890

Thats what I cant understand about you blubber gutted arrogant yanks..

You think you have force because about 40 million of you have guns....and only 50% of those 40 million KNOW how to use em.

Ive got the stats on US gun ownership.

But even IF HALF your population HAD guns and KNEW how to use em..'

You would STILL be slaughtered..because it takes MORE than guns to win a war.

What do you walmart FREAKS and fat gutted beer drinking arrogant fukcs know about STRATEGY??

Do you thinks its just "Point and shoot"?...probably.

But the forces you will be up against are ALL hard assed TRAINED ULTRA FIT KILLERS with MISSLES and BOBMS and GAS and STRATEGY....and VIOLENT HATRED for the country of walmart MONSTROSITIES!

Not only THIS..but the forces sent against you will FAR outnumber you..and they will have not only GUNS...but LARGE CALIBRE guns..chemical weapons...and LOTS of other nasties you never dreamed of.

ON TOP of this..ALL YOUR food supplies and water supplies will be DEVASTATED and POISONED...while THEY will EAT WELL..and will have come FULLY PREPARED!!!!..while YOU lot..rolling around in your mounds of BLUBBER..wont have a fucking CLUE what to do.

YES..it WILL BE A BLOOD BATH!!!


YOURS!!!!

FUCKING IDIOTS!
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News Flash:

China will invade Australia too. Good luck mate.


The Illuminati plan to destroy both countries, many will fall, but at least we tried.

Sr. Lucia quotes Our Lady "annihilation of nations"

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