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Mankind --- From an Alien Point of View

 
We Who Watch (OP)

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so In other words lets simply watch them kill each other and do Nothing Oh you guys are truly great Friends.
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

Ah friends! That would require that man do something different and step outside his comfort zone of controlling all things and all peoples. Even now you have those in high places who dream and scheme of ways to control "visitors." Do they share knowledge with their populace or ask the opinion of their fellow man. No. They just act for all without knowing consent of the masses.

Under what justification would someone not of this planet claim authority to interfere with this planet? Perhaps that is the human thing to do, much as the Conquistadors "exploring" South America to take gold back to the "old" world. How did that work out for the peoples of South America? Were the Spanish justified to use their greater technology to come and take what they wanted, no mater the cost in lives, though the lives lost were mostly those of "savages?

An advanced civilization would cease to have their purity of purpose if they interfered with another world's destiny without mutual trade and agreement.
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well I say your Karma is going way down. Turning the other cheek isn't helping anyone.
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

The universe has its own ways. Ignoring them for personal interest will not change them.
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As long as we humans have emotions; we will never lose the poison. In removing the "poison" we would lose our "emotions" as we know them. IMO

Some say this is why they are interested in us, our "emotions" which "they" somehow lost(never had?).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175402

Point 1 is questionable. Point 2 is curiously close to correct.
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If they were trying to help they wouldn't allow us to go through our what we are. They don't seem to be doing much of anything but sitting on their asses and watching us.
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

I thought we had free will. We choose our own actions.

We even chose to take the knowledge.

Our mess. Our responsibility.

Maybe they just want us to join them in the heavens. Where that knowledge we took originated from.

And it takes time.

Love your neighbors.

But I see that one guys post who automatically wants to blast them just aint at where I am talking about.

New heaven and a New earth.

I thought thats what it was all about?
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so In other words lets simply watch them kill each other and do Nothing Oh you guys are truly great Friends.

Ah friends! That would require that man do something different and step outside his comfort zone of controlling all things and all peoples. Even now you have those in high places who dream and scheme of ways to control "visitors." Do they share knowledge with their populace or ask the opinion of their fellow man. No. They just act for all without knowing consent of the masses.

Under what justification would someone not of this planet claim authority to interfere with this planet? Perhaps that is the human thing to do, much as the Conquistadors "exploring" South America to take gold back to the "old" world. How did that work out for the peoples of South America? Were the Spanish justified to use their greater technology to come and take what they wanted, no mater the cost in lives, though the lives lost were mostly those of "savages?

An advanced civilization would cease to have their purity of purpose if they interfered with another world's destiny without mutual trade and agreement.
 Quoting: We Who Watch

Really well You act like everyone on the Planet is Evil and wicked. When really its only out Government leaders. So you're reason are completly Irrational. hf
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Dude, when the aliens land.... I wont be singing Kumbaya with those fuckers. Prepare to eat a lead sandwich you gray little bastards.

Then I'll jack there space ship and cruise it back to home planet. I'll be hanging out the porthole with my AR15 raining lead down on them.

Peace... hell no!
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That would probably be the wrong reaction.
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Those who believe themselves to be merely a man, human, will use it for evil purposes. The technology would have to be passed on to an enlightened being who would, and has the ability emotionally, and monetarily share it with the world. There are very few indeed, but they do exist. How you would go about finding them may be the most difficult part for they would have to be found through divine direction. Thus the giver would also have to be enlightened to find the one who understands one.
 Quoting: reptilicus 1131797

That would be the concept of a benevolent dictatorship. That is not the government of enlightened aliens.
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If they were trying to help they wouldn't allow us to go through our what we are. They don't seem to be doing much of anything but sitting on their asses and watching us.
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

As in "We Who watch?"
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OP I like your thread but why do you speak as if you're an alien? Playing devils advocate?
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lol i think it is Fairly obvious u arent an alien/
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Really well You act like everyone on the Planet is Evil and wicked. When really its only out Government leaders. So you're reason are completly Irrational. hf
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

So is it to be a Sodom & Gomorrah type of thing? And would an Alien race use your standards or theirs? If Jesus of the Bible said that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD, would THAT be the standard?

It is too easy for man to call for killing, controlling, enslaving. Not as easy for an advanced alien government to cast off their beliefs for those of another planet.

It is understood the masses suffer under the enslavement of the few on Earth. Socialism is not the answer, nor is democracy. Either or only continues slavery through resources or "money."

Last Edited by We Who Watch on 12/03/2010 01:00 AM
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OP I like your thread but why do you speak as if you're an alien? Playing devils advocate?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1114629

Yes, that's it! I will say that it is a big universe and their are more roles than yet imagined.

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Okay so why Not help the Few that arent evil? You make no sense and it just makes u sound self obsorbed. Like oh were so powerful but we only care about ourselves
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lol i think it is Fairly obvious u arent an alien/
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

A technically correct answer would be "mostly no." My brain multi-tasks and jumps back and forth sometimes losing the moment of the language.
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I liked the role playing.

i said shit up there I would have never really thought of otherwise.

That was awesome. Almost therapeutic.
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Okay so why Not help the Few that arent evil? You make no sense and it just makes u sound self obsorbed. Like oh were so powerful but we only care about ourselves
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

Again, how to define "evil," and how to justify taking an aggressive action on a planet not their own? If I do not like my neighbor's tree, do I just go and chop it down? Do I do as the Roman's once did, sending an envoy with a golden rod to speak for the Roman Senate. Ignore the rod-bearer or kill him and soon the Legions would arrive to kill everything alive, save one to tell the tale.

The people of the planet are where they are because of the choices of the people made throughout the ages.
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I liked the role playing.

i said shit up there I would have never really thought of otherwise.

That was awesome. Almost therapeutic.
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And that is why "I" yet hold hope for man. I hope others do as well.
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umm I am pretty sure I have nothing to do with what is going on on Earth
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umm I am pretty sure I have nothing to do with what is going on on Earth
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

I know.... me too... and it hurts.

Wouldnt it be nice if good people did have something to do with the earth?

Can you imagine?

I can.

Someone once said "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

I think I understand this better now.
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umm I am pretty sure I have nothing to do with what is going on on Earth
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

And I wish that were not so. I commiserate with your position. I understand it totally, but I just have one point of view. Though I advocate, I do not always persuade. I overstep my boundaries; I pay a price. One of my old saying is "You don't shoot the pony in a one-horse show." I am no longer the only pony.
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umm I am pretty sure I have nothing to do with what is going on on Earth

I know.... me too... and it hurts.

Wouldnt it be nice if good people did have something to do with the earth?

Can you imagine?

I can.

Someone once said "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

I think I understand this better now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178267

Yes! I can travel within my mind and no one HERE can take that from me. That brings me to more answers, but there are no questions.
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umm I am pretty sure I have nothing to do with what is going on on Earth
 Quoting: Miserybusiness

But you do have a small microcosm of the world around you, in your friends, your school or work. You can make that small world a better place because you are in it. You can make everyone happy to see you and therefore make that microcosm, your own little world, better, because of you. It is the truth; you do have THAT power.
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I hope for the sake of the planet, ET's are here, and that it is not too late. What I see with my own eyes, wildlife gone where I live and hear/know about the disaster in the GOM, where my family lives, makes my soul cry.
I find it hard to pick myself up from these attacks by TPTB on my home, my planet. Will there be Earth for my grandchildren to live on?
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Yes! I can travel within my mind and no one HERE can take that from me. That brings me to more answers, but there are no questions.
 Quoting: We Who Watch

We on earth call them "revelations"

Sometimes I call the nasty ones "birth pangs".
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I have a problem with this.

Imagine there is a man with a dog. The dog wants to be a dog, but the man wants the dog to be a pet. The man beats the dog when the dog doesn't act like a pet and tries to be a dog. After awhile the dog learns to be a pet and forgets how to be a dog. Now a neutral third party comes upon this situation and knows that the dog wants to be a dog, but see that it has been beaten into believing it's a pet. What logic is this third party using to expect the dog to "WAKE UP" and remember how to be a dog? Wouldn't it make a little more sense to remove the man from the situation and remind the dog he's a dog?

Or should the dog just do that on his own?
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Yes! I can travel within my mind and no one HERE can take that from me. That brings me to more answers, but there are no questions.

We on earth call them "revelations"

Sometimes I call the nasty ones "birth pangs".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178267

I mean I have answers, some I can yet give, but man does not ask the questions. I believe that if this planet is saved, it will be because normal everyday people ask the question, get the answers and find new peace within themselves.
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I have a problem with this.

Imagine there is a man with a dog. The dog wants to be a dog, but the man wants the dog to be a pet. The man beats the dog when the dog doesn't act like a pet and tries to be a dog. After awhile the dog learns to be a pet and forgets how to be a dog. Now a neutral third party comes upon this situation and knows that the dog wants to be a dog, but see that it has been beaten into believing it's a pet. What logic is this third party using to expect the dog to "WAKE UP" and remember how to be a dog? Wouldn't it make a little more sense to remove the man from the situation and remind the dog he's a dog?

Or should the dog just do that on his own?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922377

Except that at times in history, the "dog" has had the "man" by the throat and yet here we are where we are, today.

The French guillotine was perhaps the strongest message sent, and it did get results, but no one in other countries did the same so eventually.....
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I have a problem with this.

Imagine there is a man with a dog. The dog wants to be a dog, but the man wants the dog to be a pet. The man beats the dog when the dog doesn't act like a pet and tries to be a dog. After awhile the dog learns to be a pet and forgets how to be a dog. Now a neutral third party comes upon this situation and knows that the dog wants to be a dog, but see that it has been beaten into believing it's a pet. What logic is this third party using to expect the dog to "WAKE UP" and remember how to be a dog? Wouldn't it make a little more sense to remove the man from the situation and remind the dog he's a dog?

Or should the dog just do that on his own?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922377

Why would the third party even care if it was neutral?

Should the 3rd party get involved? Is this what you are saying?

I guess that 3rd party would have to have some sense of compassion and love? To step in when there is injustice.

Anyone with, i guess, "LOVE" in their way of thinking just cant help it and step in.

I probably would.
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I have a problem with this.

Imagine there is a man with a dog. The dog wants to be a dog, but the man wants the dog to be a pet. The man beats the dog when the dog doesn't act like a pet and tries to be a dog. After awhile the dog learns to be a pet and forgets how to be a dog. Now a neutral third party comes upon this situation and knows that the dog wants to be a dog, but see that it has been beaten into believing it's a pet. What logic is this third party using to expect the dog to "WAKE UP" and remember how to be a dog? Wouldn't it make a little more sense to remove the man from the situation and remind the dog he's a dog?

Or should the dog just do that on his own?

Why would the third party even care if it was neutral?

Should the 3rd party get involved? Is this what you are saying?

I guess that 3rd party would have to have some sense of compassion and love? To step in when there is injustice.

Anyone with, i guess, "LOVE" in their way of thinking just cant help it and step in.

I probably would.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178267

And does mankind manipulate "Love?" Is Love used for the sake of power over another, either one or many? Look with truth and do not lie to yourself. See what really is.

Even those who would ask an alien society to take in a group, to remove them from planet, do not realize what they ask. Was American society changed when it "rescued" South Vietnamese at the end of their war? Was Britain enriched when it took emigrants in large numbers?

As a "human" or humane act it was the right thing to do; as a cultural act, it was totally wrong. There was no trade partnership or cultural agreement. There was no understanding attempted. Success from a human standpoint, failure from a cultural viewpoint.

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I agree with both of you. "Why" should a third party care to begin with is another discussion though. The dog, humanity, has had ample opportunity to overthrow it's master. We are not blameless in our slavery. We do not need nor should get any outside help in casting off those bonds. However, I do believe we will absolutely need an outside party to remind us who the man is and that we are dogs instead of pets. The beatings have gone on long enough that we have long since ignored the pleas of other pets telling us these things. We need a reminder from outside of the box.

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