Mankind --- From an Alien Point of View

OP has struck gold and gems with this thread, the pickaxes are our minds. Can we penetrate this wall of possible outcomes through to the treasure?

You are right OP has struck gold.
I think the treasure is our minds - can the OP help us find the appropriate axe to open it?

Have they taken you again WWW?


I will have to start kicking some ET butt!

OK ET you bring back the OP or I'm up in your face like you don't understand!

I'm off to bed now - and you know that that means you are under attack!

Ohhh yeah! I'm gonna pwaun you momma!


ET release the OP or I get frisky - and nobody wants that!

It is called editing, which is something of a lost art these days. This thread will stay on topic if I have to delete 20 pages. I am not here to debate religion or lack thereof, someone's faith or lack thereof, or someones belief in GOD or lack thereof. If you want to do that, go start your own thread and stop piggy-backing on mine.

I mentioned the GOD Concept for background information, not as a point of discussion. There is an old human saying, "He who has the gold makes the rules." I have some of the knowledge of what's going on. You want to get at that, great! You want to take me on your journey, I am not interested. Get this, they see what I see. I am trying to make a case for man's inclusion, not his exclusion. You NEED inclusion whether you realize it or not.

I hate to delete, but will do so for the sake of the many.

Not allies yet, how about friends? I think that would be a great start. Tell you what, if they don't take me tonight during sleep, I will try to talk some about the species tomorrow. Just a little so as not to get boring. That is what it is to me, but....

Things will happen indeed! I just want to send them in a positive direction with new friends. I will confess to ulterior motive I have found within myself. If they met with man and made trade and culture agreements, perhaps they might fully take me with them or release me back to man, though I actually think either choice is not possible.

They did work on the sun recently, attempting to stabilize it, even for them a large undertaking in resources. Why do that if they weren't hoping for a good outcome with man?

I don't know that I would be a good judge of that. I struggle to this day with food, having to eat bizarre combinations. Shrimp and chocolate ice cream anyone? How about some cottage cheese with brown gravy? Chile with cottage cheese do anything for you? How about chicken Quesadillas with jalapenos and bacon?

They don't eat anything like human food though perhaps they might acquire a taste for some of it after studying my reactions to the wonderful combinations I cited.

I tend towards meat and heat, not cold and vegetable. I do think vegetables and fruits are probably better for man, perhaps a small portion of fish and grain.

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Hardly. I did explain editing if you care to look at my earlier post. Should you care to hang around you might pick up something of interest here, but stay on topic.

The capability to support 49 billion on this planet does not mean you have to produce that many or that you should, it is just an example of future potential with advanced planet-wide agropoly. Think green! Right now the planet is staggering with 7 billion and will soon see a depletion of renewable resources if nothing is done.

Then we agree!

Able to sustain 49 billion while maintaining balance with the other creatures of the planet is a worthy goal. Think how easy life would become with that abundance supporting 7 billion. Think of food and water no longer being an issue for nations survival. Would the middle east still be an issue if there was no struggle to survive there?

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Obviously I have not given up since I have dragged the advanced species here with me. I can now take them where I want them to be, not where they want me to go.

Indeed. ;)

See my earlier answer to her. The particles are a lesser of two evils in that it would be preferable to have no effect on human technology. Not possible if they are to effect the sun. It will have a small effect on technology. It will not be harmful to life or vegetation in the solar system.

I hope you find the values you seek. Thank you for your consideration!

Yes, human creativity, your minds are definitely the treasure.

delayed me...

Hu-Man's have control of the light switch.

I was wondering if AI has a role in this? The idea of the settling of disputes by biggest/smallest measurement by itself poses new problems of verification and to whose satisfaction? Who arbitrates? Are AI systems used to adjudicate and are all AI systems equally unbiased?

Also, if we can create so well, would it be relatively easy to create a world system that happily lets us peacefully co-exist with intelligent aliens? It worries me that we appear to be so unable to do this with eachother, let alone anyone else. Why, if this has clear benefits all round and we're so good at creating?

Thirdly, 49 billion people. What would we do with all the poo?

Actually the technically advanced races are less inclined to aggression There are disagreements at NASA, but how many fistfights occur there? It is easy to agree when you have a mindset towards achievement rather than destruction.

The second question goes to the heart of my thread. The answer is that the creativity of man is offset by the anger.

49 billion people is a max, not the desired level. The problem is that your planet is straining to sustain 7 billion due to lack of agropoly, a unified plan of agricultural monopoly, basically a singular plan of and for the people for the people. The problem on this planet is the needs of the many are restrained by the greed of the few. I call it ultimate greed versus ultimate need. You could also call it: "It's good to be the king!"

BTW poo does not have have to be a bad thing. It has uses beyond dumping in rivers and oceans. What is cow manure and how do you use it?

Perhaps you should examine nitrogen based fertilizers, their effects when runoff enters rivers, lakes, ponds; then examine the projected depletion of the source of those fertilizers. The end of your 7 billion is closer than you think without a recognition of advanced measures.

"The anger", key phrase. Why "the anger" and its root, fear? Is that inherent, or is it because something has been lost or taken away? Plainly, we can see from the artefacts about us, there is a history to mankind that has been lost. Is the anger because we don't know our roots, don't know who we really are? Perhaps our behaviour would be tempered by knowing what we once knew.

Fear is a basic "fight or flight instinct." Anger is a next level bio-chemical response to negative stimuli. Fear is very hard to overcome by intellect. It is best overcome by experience. Anger can be overcome by intellect as intellect is overcome by anger. The first is the response of a more advanced species; the second is the response of an animal. My position to the advanced species who observe is that man can control his anger, he is not a dog, but in the end it is man who must prove himself capable.

You speak well to say artifacts... history TO mankind.

Who here has said anything of this mankind once knowing.

They don't eat anything like human food though

... WHAT do they eat??? if 'eat' being the correct term used for what they do to maintain health?

Just how many species do you know of that have visited earth in the past few thousand years?

Also, i don't remember if anyone has asked this yet so i'll shoot. What is the name of the 'group' you're contacting?

Very good, OP, you're making me think, I like.

Are you saying, then, that more advanced species also have a "fight or flight" response, that it is somehow common in the Universe and that the sign of advance is the control of the second stage?

Also, about the artefacts. We know pretty much how the great cathedrals of Europe were built, with their vaulted ceilings and flying buttresses and so forth. They're within the compass of mankind, as are the Roman amphitheatres and the Roman and Greek temples. What knocks us flat are the older relics, the Stonehenges and Manu Picchus and Great Pyramids etc, not to mention stuff like the Ecuadorian figurines with "pre-Sanskrit" and global inscriptions. Are you saying the the older stuff predates mankind, in other words are non-human structures? That's quite important.

Perhaps what we need is for someone to hold up a mirror to us on a regular basis, which shows us what is beautiful and what is ugly about mankind. Good feedback might get us somewhere.

I don't like us all being lumped in together.

Service to Self vs Service to Others.

There are two kinds of people on this earth.

The ETs know this. They also know, they themselves are
divided in the same respect, and have their own problems to overcome.

You should also know this OP.

I have never noted one eating, never noted a kitchen or dining area.

Eating is an emotional experience for man. Since they have no such emotional bond to food, I can surmise that they have some compressed form of nutrition, much like we have vitamins.