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AMERICAN Women bring out the WORST in you!!!

 
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Feminists believe that all men are evil abusers.

When a man abuses them, deep down they feel a creamy sense of satisfaction. Their belief has been validated.

Therefore they carefully craft a life, and surround themselves with people who will create more of this abuse.

Thus further confirming their belief structure.

This type of mentality has been studied and explored by countless psychologists, and is well-understood by all people with common sense.

Also, there is a more dangerous issue, here.

Men are very "susceptible" to women's opinions of us. Let's face it guys, when we get married, we are very likely to start changing in response to our woman's needs. We can't help it...her emotions are so strong, and our sense of responsibility to her is so deep, that we can't help but slowly become the man she envisions us to be.

That can be good, or bad. A man who is married to an angry feminist will often become more abusive, fulfilling her expectations of him. She accuses him of shit he didn't do...finally he thinks "well, if she's going to treat me like a scumbag, then by golly I should just go ahead and be a scumbag."

On the other hand, a man who marries a loving woman (who trusts men) will usually become more worthy of trust, thus fulfilling her expectations of him.

The old cliche of "behind every great man is great woman" is so true.

Men, choose your wife carefully. Her mental image of men will probably become your destiny. Avoid women who think badly of men (which as you know, includes the vast majority of American women).
For what will it profit men that a more prudent distribution and use of riches make it possible for them to gain even the whole world, if thereby they suffer the loss of their own souls?
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bump for intelligent debate
For what will it profit men that a more prudent distribution and use of riches make it possible for them to gain even the whole world, if thereby they suffer the loss of their own souls?
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Ahhhhh here we go again girls!
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Ahhhhh here we go again girls!
xenahead
 Quoting: Tali


Tali you are right; I probably deserve my head to be chopped off much like xena did to that guy

But I believe this country has a massive problem socially with the single life transitioning into marriage

This is a big problem and we can be adults and discuss solutions and insight into this issue that needs to be answered.


All the best;
John
For what will it profit men that a more prudent distribution and use of riches make it possible for them to gain even the whole world, if thereby they suffer the loss of their own souls?
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Oh no, Tali's gonna call in the big guns:

Calling in Mia, Hillcrest, SaltWater, etc...
It's like an episode of GI Joe.
Everyone dies, but not everyone lives.

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I guess I was lucky

My wife brings out the best in me.
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Generalization..OP

we are all different...My wife is probably the greatest human being Ive ever met... and she is an American woman...

so your posit fails...
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I guess I was lucky

My wife brings out the best in me.
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You are a lucky man

I wish I was as lucky as you friend
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Generalization..OP

we are all different...My wife is probably the greatest human being Ive ever met... and she is an American woman...

so your posit fails...
 Quoting: ShaneSteele



True we are generalizing; but we need to since this issue is brought up in personal cell conversations all the time; at the bars; I was at clarendon last night near DC and this topic came up... its unbelievable that we ( men and women ) have this problem


and by we I mean not everybody including you; but a lot more of my friends; me included; are realizing this.



Look at what I just emailed my wife which I'm separated from now for 2 months:


Do you think we have this problem? If not tell me why

Is it me being abusive and angry

What attracted me to you?

What about you attracted you to me?



Behind every great man is a great woman.


You know I want to be a great man; and I know I will before I am.
I need a great woman.


Are you a great woman?


...
For what will it profit men that a more prudent distribution and use of riches make it possible for them to gain even the whole world, if thereby they suffer the loss of their own souls?
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Ahhhhh here we go again girls!
xenahead


Tali you are right; I probably deserve my head to be chopped off much like xena did to that guy

But I believe this country has a massive problem socially with the single life transitioning into marriage

This is a big problem and we can be adults and discuss solutions and insight into this issue that needs to be answered.


All the best;
John
 Quoting: lim



Ohhhh okay...

I'm not a feminist btw...

The woman you are portraying though sounds like someone with a victim mentality....this does not affect only one gender.

And really it comes down to trust issues like you say...I've been in a couple abusive relationships...one was physically abusive and the other was more mentally abusive...so yeah, I have gotten leary of some men...the good thing thoughh is I know the red flags, and I also know I have a weakness for "tough guys"...thank god though I am more experienced these days and can rely on my brains rather than my emotions concerning men.

I would prefer a great friendship with the person I am going to marry rather than a huge lusty clusterfuck.

ALSO...when a person is raised with parents who were abusive to eachother one tends to feel comfortable with those traits...ie, I ended up marrying a guy a lot like the way my dad was when I was younger (he's changed a LOT since then, thank god)...

Anyway, the broad statements of American Women being so terrible kinda irks me...where have you been picking up women?
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their seems to be a lot of these kinds of threads lately and i had a great big long post to reply but lost it because i'm so long winded and timed out.

ultimately rather than recreate it its probably best i just wish you luck OP. sometimes its better to not contribute to these threads rather than have them turn out to be man/woman bashing threads.

posieasd
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Generalization..OP

we are all different...My wife is probably the greatest human being Ive ever met... and she is an American woman...

so your posit fails...



True we are generalizing; but we need to since this issue is brought up in personal cell conversations all the time; at the bars; I was at clarendon last night near DC and this topic came up... its unbelievable that we ( men and women ) have this problem


and by we I mean not everybody including you; but a lot more of my friends; me included; are realizing this.



Look at what I just emailed my wife which I'm separated from now for 2 months:


Do you think we have this problem? If not tell me why

Is it me being abusive and angry

What attracted me to you?

What about you attracted you to me?



Behind every great man is a great woman.


You know I want to be a great man; and I know I will before I am.
I need a great woman.


Are you a great woman?


...
 Quoting: lim



lol, Ive been to clarendon...what a shit hole? too small, dance floor too small...etc..

Unfortunately Men at the age of courtship are only thinking about ONE THING!!!

Finding a women that:
A. Looks hot
B. Has perfect tits
C. Will give sex after three dates

Its NO wonder Women look at men like idiots and dogs..

If men were to remove their EGO's and DESIRE to have a barbie doll as a wife, but instead seek that female who's personality they match.. in all ways.. things would be alot better off...but most men dont have the experience or wisdom to do that.. so they end up dating someone that makes them horny...
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I would like to add a really helpful book I read to help my understanding of men and vice versa...Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus....

My ex and I would read a chapter every night...I would read a chapter, and highlight things I wanted him to especially look into and he would do the same and we would switch. It did help.

I know one of my problems - as in something I needed to stop - was when we would be arguing about something and when he would try to drop the subject I would keep going and going and going, I felt I was not heard at all.....well, thats considered nagging to some people, really I would like to believe he did care about what I was saying, but I should have dropped it and let him go to his "mancave" when he was upset....and brought it up again another time when we both had some air.

This is one example of something I learned in this book...another thing is appreciation...it goes a long way, (when its not fake of course)...you're stroking their ego of course which is fine, but I think it makes them feel fulfilled as a man/breadwinner/hero extraoridaire. It does something primally good.

Women also deserve appreciation, it IS a two way street. Taking care of a home and kids and meals isn't a walk in the park...coming up behind your wife slaving in the kitchen and telling her how sexy it is or how you appreciate it also goes a long way...

Can you see a great FRIENDSHIP in this? Trying to understand the way EACHOTHER tick instead of bashing?
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their seems to be a lot of these kinds of threads lately and i had a great big long post to reply but lost it because i'm so long winded and timed out.

ultimately rather than recreate it its probably best i just wish you luck OP. sometimes its better to not contribute to these threads rather than have them turn out to be man/woman bashing threads.

:posieasd:
 Quoting: Aileana


thanks aileana
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If a man is an abuser, either physically or emotionally, it is because he brings out the worst in himself. Such a man generally looks for someone who is easy to abuse.

As for me, first sign of it in any form and I am gone. Most "great women" do the same and consider abuse in any form the deal-breaker.

It is also true that most American men want sex too soon and are overly impressed by the barbie-doll and physical appearance.
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OP 'angry feminists' usually do not get married.

Men have been brain washed about feminism, just as men believe women have been brainwashed by feminism.

The original woman that you described would not be called a feminist, but someone who had been abused. This can apply to men or women. Abused people are emotionally fucked up, and create drama unconsciously because that is what they know of reality. Their bodies can become addicted to the drama and will allow "drama" peptides to dock in cells over proteins to help build the body.

We all know people, both men and women, who have stayed with abusive partners. They were brought up with abuse and receate when they become adulats. ULESS they take steps to knw themselves, and to break the cycle.

Men need to start getting to knw themselves, and stop projecting outswards onto women. Both men and women need to stop blaming the other for their problems. All problems and all solutions start with the self.

Women have led the way on this path of self-insight in the past few decades. Yes, there are still some young women who have been brainwashed by Hollyweird (just as there are young men who have been brainwhased by porn.)But go to any group based on self-inquiry (eg: meditation, philosophical discussion, commenity groups, yoga even etc) and it is at least 80% women. Men seem to be having a harder time figuring out who they are, and how to change.

This spiritual age that we are in is all about Know Thyself, and consciously evolving. ARe you doing that, or are you still going to the bar to drink and watch professional sports on tv.
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Feminists believe that all men are evil abusers.

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no, we don't s226

just evil little liars like YOU.


tounge you are WRONG tounge


belly but Happy Friday to all, anyway!! belly
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Oh FFS. Take responsibility for your own actions. Male or female. Stop trying to blame each other for being assholes.
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OP 'angry feminists' usually do not get married.

Men have been brain washed about feminism, just as men believe women have been brainwashed by feminism.

The original woman that you described would not be called a feminist, but someone who had been abused. This can apply to men or women. Abused people are emotionally fucked up, and create drama unconsciously because that is what they know of reality. Their bodies can become addicted to the drama and will allow "drama" peptides to dock in cells over proteins to help build the body.

We all know people, both men and women, who have stayed with abusive partners. They were brought up with abuse and receate when they become adulats. ULESS they take steps to knw themselves, and to break the cycle.

Men need to start getting to knw themselves, and stop projecting outswards onto women. Both men and women need to stop blaming the other for their problems. All problems and all solutions start with the self.

Women have led the way on this path of self-insight in the past few decades. Yes, there are still some young women who have been brainwashed by Hollyweird (just as there are young men who have been brainwhased by porn.)But go to any group based on self-inquiry (eg: meditation, philosophical discussion, commenity groups, yoga even etc) and it is at least 80% women. Men seem to be having a harder time figuring out who they are, and how to change.

This spiritual age that we are in is all about Know Thyself, and consciously evolving. ARe you doing that, or are you still going to the bar to drink and watch professional sports on tv.
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Oh FFS. Take responsibility for your own actions. Male or female. Stop trying to blame each other for being assholes.
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yay!


hf
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there are 25 other threads on this already... women say they want a supportive man, but really want excitement.. so they screw the alpha males, then go cry to the beta male, who they should be MARRYING, how badly their man treated them.. or if they've alienated all beta males already, they just cry to their girlfriends. Same old story told over and over again.

Can't have both excitement, nonstop mystery, and a stable marriage with a good provider, have to choose. Most women under 30 will choose the alpha male, every time.
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lol, Ive been to clarendon...what a shit hole? too small, dance floor too small...etc..

Unfortunately Men at the age of courtship are only thinking about ONE THING!!!

Finding a women that:
A. Looks hot
B. Has perfect tits
C. Will give sex after three dates

Its NO wonder Women look at men like idiots and dogs..

If men were to remove their EGO's and DESIRE to have a barbie doll as a wife, but instead seek that female who's personality they match.. in all ways.. things would be alot better off...but most men dont have the experience or wisdom to do that.. so they end up dating someone that makes them horny...
 Quoting: ShaneSteele


your right... natures cruel little trick...

males peak sexually early 20s until mid to late 20s

unfortunately females peak sexually anywhere from early 30s to late 30s.

We are a decade apart us men and women; and unfortunately its the horndogs that are the problem

The ones that stare into a young womans eye and can lie like the best politicians and then sleep with her and proceed to dump her

The ones that are maneaters and jaded and have to wrap their hearts in spikes and tin foil and reinforce it with barbed wire...
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come on, women do the same thing, date guys that make them horny, people marry for sex and divorce not long after.. not a big surprise, sex is not enough to keep a relationship going.
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i don't even want them in my life anymore unless it's free pussy
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It's okay to generalize when taking about large groups of people with common traits. The problems start though when this generalized thinking process gets utilized in a relationship between two individuals. One either stops listening or just does not care enough to really get to know the individual, so they try to approximate where the other person stands by this generalized thinking process. It's so pandemic in our society.


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all women have it in them to castrate without flinching
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women in their 20's don't know what they want anyways, so it would be pointless for a good guy to even get into a relationship with them... they want to spend their 20's partying and being with random men..
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i don't even want them in my life anymore unless it's free pussy
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Whats wrong you dont think the social contract is fair?
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I would like to add a really helpful book I read to help my understanding of men and vice versa...Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus....

My ex and I would read a chapter every night...I would read a chapter, and highlight things I wanted him to especially look into and he would do the same and we would switch. It did help.

I know one of my problems - as in something I needed to stop - was when we would be arguing about something and when he would try to drop the subject I would keep going and going and going, I felt I was not heard at all.....well, thats considered nagging to some people, really I would like to believe he did care about what I was saying, but I should have dropped it and let him go to his "mancave" when he was upset....and brought it up again another time when we both had some air.

This is one example of something I learned in this book...another thing is appreciation...it goes a long way, (when its not fake of course)...you're stroking their ego of course which is fine, but I think it makes them feel fulfilled as a man/breadwinner/hero extraoridaire. It does something primally good.

Women also deserve appreciation, it IS a two way street. Taking care of a home and kids and meals isn't a walk in the park...coming up behind your wife slaving in the kitchen and telling her how sexy it is or how you appreciate it also goes a long way...

Can you see a great FRIENDSHIP in this? Trying to understand the way EACHOTHER tick instead of bashing?
 Quoting: Tali


Thanks Tai for your book suggestion and insight; I will download the book tonight at home

Also; I would recommend a book called ' the five love languages ' it really helps out but it does not solve underlying personal issues
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OP 'angry feminists' usually do not get married.

Men have been brain washed about feminism, just as men believe women have been brainwashed by feminism.

The original woman that you described would not be called a feminist, but someone who had been abused. This can apply to men or women. Abused people are emotionally fucked up, and create drama unconsciously because that is what they know of reality. Their bodies can become addicted to the drama and will allow "drama" peptides to dock in cells over proteins to help build the body.

We all know people, both men and women, who have stayed with abusive partners. They were brought up with abuse and receate when they become adulats. ULESS they take steps to knw themselves, and to break the cycle.

Men need to start getting to knw themselves, and stop projecting outswards onto women. Both men and women need to stop blaming the other for their problems. All problems and all solutions start with the self.

Women have led the way on this path of self-insight in the past few decades. Yes, there are still some young women who have been brainwashed by Hollyweird (just as there are young men who have been brainwhased by porn.)But go to any group based on self-inquiry (eg: meditation, philosophical discussion, commenity groups, yoga even etc) and it is at least 80% women. Men seem to be having a harder time figuring out who they are, and how to change.

This spiritual age that we are in is all about Know Thyself, and consciously evolving. ARe you doing that, or are you still going to the bar to drink and watch professional sports on tv.


Oh I like you.
 Quoting: Tali



I think this is the solution. Right here.

I'm going to counseling with my father to try and improve the self. Mind Body and Soul; all equal; always progressing :)
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come on, women do the same thing, date guys that make them horny, people marry for sex and divorce not long after.. not a big surprise, sex is not enough to keep a relationship going.
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The above is spot on... having been married twice...

At the risk of being burned at the stake here..hahaha..

The second time around, I got flat on my face and prayed to GOD to provide the best for ME! ..... shocking...HE DID!!

After all Genesis says... It was not good for man to be alone,....... HE BROUGHT THE WOMAN TO THE MAN....

so my best advice...OP...watch for the women that great mystery brings to you...NOT WHAT YOUR EGO WANTS...its best to have a friend to grow old with....!!