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The Perfect Religious Stance to Take!!!!!

 
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Sorry, but this is just dumb. You put yourself in the place of God and that you are not. Only an idiot would even think of posting what you did.

Sorry, but you need God, not yourself and your silly ideas.
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lol. maybe god needs us more than we need him. he likes to be praised a lot and is quite vain. violent tendencies as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 868423

That is the American Christian god. It is a very nasty thing and should be avoided. There are better gods in Europe and Asia.
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I said virtually this very same thing when I was 12! Then my father beat me and dragged me -literally- by my hair into the church where I was expected to ask forgiveness for my "sin". Yeah, really made a believer out of me.
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Again with that retort? I'm not claiming any sort of divine influence. I'm not a god. I'm not a messiah. I'm just like everyone else here: a man. The only difference is that I understand that no one preacher/pope/holy man has it any more figured out than the rest of us. Blind faith is different than accepting any one man's interpretation.
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To know the bible you don't need anything more then the bible. No preacher, no pope, no holy man.

It's easy to pick out the people who've never even read the bible and still think they have better ideas because they speak from the mind of a fallen man.
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Why is the Bible important? There are far better and less confused texts that one can read. All that knowledge of the bible shows is that a person values life so little that they would waste away the hours of it reading an irrelevant text. There are only a few sentences in the bible that are of any relevance to life and they are near the end.
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ambivalence is not a stand -- its indecisive mediocrity
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The thing is 100 years ago ..you would inderstand the christians , muslims or jews following blindly and fighting to death about a hear-say god(im not trying to offend no one because im myself a believer to god ..but want myself and everyone to be very humble about it).But in 2010 ..in the modern enlightened age...where you can travel the world in minutes and hours...where you can learn so much about others religion on the web.Theres still some peoples who just do not want to open their mind and lose their too good to be true dream of having the true and only religion of god.

-When i was small ..i thought islam was the only true and beautiful religion of allah(funnily i still think but with lots of humbleness and zero arrogance)

i always thought of other religion like bouddhist and hindoue ,judaism as nuisance by satan to annoy muslim.

..as i grow up ..i learned so much ..read so much ..i speak and read in four languages .i started to indertstand the world is not really what i thought it was ..far from it..i shock but i recovered from it.

And then i met the christians who they too think jesus and their god is the real deal..and the winner.....gosshhhhh

it cant be possible...but wait ..i thought i had the right one...hahhaaha .

-And i met the inabitants of the island called tanna vanuatu ...who worship prince phillips of united kingdom
as their god.what???????????(goggle if you want)

-So that show you human seem to be a being with inbuilt sense for worshiping a higher being or god ...so we all should do with respect and freedom and not pushing each other troat down any belief with not proof its better than the other one.
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I said virtually this very same thing when I was 12! Then my father beat me and dragged me -literally- by my hair into the church where I was expected to ask forgiveness for my "sin". Yeah, really made a believer out of me.
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Meh, that's better than the alternative IMO.

I grew up in the south out of churches. The few Jewish we had in school banded together. I was avoided like a leper. Church in some parts of the country are a must if you want to make good social connections and date before you can get into the bars *blah.*

I would have been a lot more open minded about their ways if there wasn't such a pressure to assimilate the new guy in church. I actually found one like that in a different state many years later. I still go there from time to time because it's just a small congregation with nothing but non judgmental good people.
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Sweet. Question question question, no one alive knows the answers. We are here to question, expand the knowledge of us all. hf
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The thing is 100 years ago ..you would inderstand the christians , muslims or jews following blindly and fighting to death about a hear-say god(im not trying to offend no one because im myself a believer to god ..but want myself and everyone to be very humble about it).But in 2010 ..in the modern enlightened age...where you can travel the world in minutes and hours...where you can learn so much about others religion on the web.Theres still some peoples who just do not want to open their mind and lose their too good to be true dream of having the true and only religion of god.

-When i was small ..i thought islam was the only true and beautiful religion of allah(funnily i still think but with lots of humbleness and zero arrogance)

i always thought of other religion like bouddhist and hindoue ,judaism as nuisance by satan to annoy muslim.

..as i grow up ..i learned so much ..read so much ..i speak and read in four languages .i started to indertstand the world is not really what i thought it was ..far from it..i shock but i recovered from it.

And then i met the christians who they too think jesus and their god is the real deal..and the winner.....gosshhhhh

it cant be possible...but wait ..i thought i had the right one...hahhaaha .

-And i met the inabitants of the island called tanna vanuatu ...who worship prince phillips of united kingdom
as their god.what???????????(goggle if you want)

-So that show you human seem to be a being with inbuilt sense for worshiping a higher being or god ...so we all should do with respect and freedom and not pushing each other troat down any belief with not proof its better than the other one.
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I couldn't agree more. To much of the dismay of both sides, Islam and Christianity are really the same stories just different names. In fact, there are flood stories in even the Native American tribal religions. I'm simply amazed at the fact that despite the blatant similarities between them all, there is the incessant need by many to discredit every other religion but theirs. The world would be a much more civilized place if we all conceded the fact that no one knows which one is right for certain and let everyone decide what and how they believed. It would be an even greater achievement if we could all gather as a community and celebrate our differences under the same roof every week.
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Sweet. Question question question, no one alive knows the answers. We are here to question, expand the knowledge of us all. hf
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Yeah! You get my original point. =D

I think we need to do so as a group without the hierarchy that is currently in place. There should be no set preacher. It should be an open platform for discussion because no one is really qualified to be a "teacher" since there is no absolute truth. Ideas should be bounced around between people. Everyone would hold themselves to a higher standard in life if we did that I believe because of the true passion the debates would create.
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12/05/2010 10:11 PM
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Hey...it's like an insurance policy right?

That's a GREAT idea!!!!

Unless one is judged by their FAITH!




Trying to out-think the Creator?

REALLY???????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1113553



That logic has always bothered me. What's the point in sending people into this world to choose one of the 5 or 10 dominant religions, and see who can hold onto "faith" the longest?

The bible is full of shit BUT also some good tidbits that fit in very well with the ops "live and let live" and golden rule philosophy.

I say look at any religion, strip out any components of priesthood power, find what keeps people fairly working together, and use that, COMBINED with that feeling in your gut, "Is this right?". Not by any gods standards but your own inner KNOWING of right and wrong.
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I said virtually this very same thing when I was 12! Then my father beat me and dragged me -literally- by my hair into the church where I was expected to ask forgiveness for my "sin". Yeah, really made a believer out of me.


Meh, that's better than the alternative IMO.

I grew up in the south out of churches. The few Jewish we had in school banded together. I was avoided like a leper. Church in some parts of the country are a must if you want to make good social connections and date before you can get into the bars *blah.*

I would have been a lot more open minded about their ways if there wasn't such a pressure to assimilate the new guy in church. I actually found one like that in a different state many years later. I still go there from time to time because it's just a small congregation with nothing but non judgmental good people.
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What it taught me was that churches are filled with fear mongers and hypocrites. Jesus said "...see that you meet together often..." but there is no commandment to go to a building and let someone else lead you in prayer while your neighbor looks down his nose at you because your suit is not new or you don't put as much money in the offering plate. And since when is paying money a requirement of seeking refuge in a 'Holy Place'? Jesus threw the money changers OUT of the temple!! He said to care for the poor and the elderly and the orphans - NOT make some asshole pastor a millionaire so he can get his wife a boob job and a new Mercedes Benz.

He never said the pathway to heaven is in religion, but by following His example and loving others as He did. Nor did he ask for a religion to be created in His name or say that we should worship Him or Praise His name. He said 'All Glory be to the Father."

So... no. I have no use for religions or churches and see them for what they are; man's way of interpreting God's word to his own advantage. More men have been killed over differences of religious ideology than any other political or economic agenda.
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Hey...it's like an insurance policy right?

That's a GREAT idea!!!!

Unless one is judged by their FAITH!




Trying to out-think the Creator?

REALLY???????



That logic has always bothered me. What's the point in sending people into this world to choose one of the 5 or 10 dominant religions, and see who can hold onto "faith" the longest?

The bible is full of shit BUT also some good tidbits that fit in very well with the ops "live and let live" and golden rule philosophy.

I say look at any religion, strip out any components of priesthood power, find what keeps people fairly working together, and use that, COMBINED with that feeling in your gut, "Is this right?". Not by any gods standards but your own inner KNOWING of right and wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1157608


You're getting hung up on religion. I was talking about Faith.

Some things have to be believed to be seen.
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Sorry, but this is just dumb. You put yourself in the place of God and that you are not. Only an idiot would even think of posting what you did.

Sorry, but you need God, not yourself and your silly ideas.
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Nn the op did not, has the ops post touched a raw nerve?.
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What it taught me was that churches are filled with fear mongers and hypocrites. Jesus said "...see that you meet together often..." but there is no commandment to go to a building and let someone else lead you in prayer while your neighbor looks down his nose at you because your suit is not new or you don't put as much money in the offering plate. And since when is paying money a requirement of seeking refuge in a 'Holy Place'? Jesus threw the money changers OUT of the temple!! He said to care for the poor and the elderly and the orphans - NOT make some asshole pastor a millionaire so he can get his wife a boob job and a new Mercedes Benz.

He never said the pathway to heaven is in religion, but by following His example and loving others as He did. Nor did he ask for a religion to be created in His name or say that we should worship Him or Praise His name. He said 'All Glory be to the Father."

So... no. I have no use for religions or churches and see them for what they are; man's way of interpreting God's word to his own advantage. More men have been killed over differences of religious ideology than any other political or economic agenda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103915


I agree 100% with what you say. Preferably I would like to see the community functions of churches being held in a non secular way. It would be great just once a month if everyone put religion aside and came together as a community maybe twice a month. Hell, hold them at the local fire departments and let everyone bring a bit of food to share and get to know each other. Local restaurants would cater them for free for the advertisement. We'd certainly be better off if we took a few days a month for some good face time.
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What it taught me was that churches are filled with fear mongers and hypocrites. Jesus said "...see that you meet together often..." but there is no commandment to go to a building and let someone else lead you in prayer while your neighbor looks down his nose at you because your suit is not new or you don't put as much money in the offering plate. And since when is paying money a requirement of seeking refuge in a 'Holy Place'? Jesus threw the money changers OUT of the temple!! He said to care for the poor and the elderly and the orphans - NOT make some asshole pastor a millionaire so he can get his wife a boob job and a new Mercedes Benz.

He never said the pathway to heaven is in religion, but by following His example and loving others as He did. Nor did he ask for a religion to be created in His name or say that we should worship Him or Praise His name. He said 'All Glory be to the Father."

So... no. I have no use for religions or churches and see them for what they are; man's way of interpreting God's word to his own advantage. More men have been killed over differences of religious ideology than any other political or economic agenda.


I agree 100% with what you say. Preferably I would like to see the community functions of churches being held in a non secular way. It would be great just once a month if everyone put religion aside and came together as a community maybe twice a month. Hell, hold them at the local fire departments and let everyone bring a bit of food to share and get to know each other. Local restaurants would cater them for free for the advertisement. We'd certainly be better off if we took a few days a month for some good face time.
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I think it would be a great ideas and lovely...but i could imagine a priest sitting alone in a empty church ..calling a few gangster (godfather style)..tell them ..i want you guys to stop the fun there...bring them back...And soon there will be a notice a the fire station...We apologise no more meeting will be held since all the trouble and fighting that happen we cannot garantee your health and safety...hehehhe...im not serious about it but it could happen.... lol
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I think it would be a great ideas and lovely...but i could imagine a priest sitting alone in a empty church ..calling a few gangster (godfather style)..tell them ..i want you guys to stop the fun there...bring them back...And soon there will be a notice a the fire station...We apologise no more meeting will be held since all the trouble and fighting that happen we cannot garantee your health and safety...hehehhe...im not serious about it but it could happen.... lol
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LOL I know right? Down here if you wanted it on Sunday, you'd have to schedule it from 3-5 in the afternoon. You could make a monthly event one Saturday a month though easily! Can you imagine how nice it would be? You'd meet all sorts of people you could do business with instead of the big conglomerates. No big entertainment or anything, just a simple free community picnic and meet and greet.
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Again with that retort? I'm not claiming any sort of divine influence. I'm not a god. I'm not a messiah. I'm just like everyone else here: a man. The only difference is that I understand that no one preacher/pope/holy man has it any more figured out than the rest of us. Blind faith is different than accepting any one man's interpretation.
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To know the bible you don't need anything more then the bible. No preacher, no pope, no holy man.

It's easy to pick out the people who've never even read the bible and still think they have better ideas because they speak from the mind of a fallen man.

Why is the Bible important? There are far better and less confused texts that one can read. All that knowledge of the bible shows is that a person values life so little that they would waste away the hours of it reading an irrelevant text. There are only a few sentences in the bible that are of any relevance to life and they are near the end.
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NAH, read 2 KINGS 23.....gives you the straight skinny on what's really going down........devil whoreshippers really rule us and there sure are LOTS of homo prostitutes doing business in all the "temples"

here's another good one they forgot tear out, Titus 1:10 kinda points out that "Christ" and his posse weren't circumsised and weren't "jews"
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Fear is THE greatest motivator of most staunch believers. They fear the wrath of God. These are the most dangerous types.

Unfortunately, as we ALL know how easily the holy books that are out there are open to incredibly diverse interpretation, that seems to keep a person stuck in their own boots. In the muck and mire of their personal religious hell. And conveniently, most of the 'holy books' were written with such incredible contradiction that it is easy to preach to others a limited view of some scary hellfire or that God will only accept you if certain terms are met. So much easier to stay in a little box of comfort, pointing fingers at another's faults, than to turn inward and correct what is wrong with one's self.

Know the type of people I admire most? Exactly those people that are mentioned in the OP. The person that can walk in his or her own faith, without FEAR of other faiths and religions. They have a quiet knowing, and never feel the need to be closed minded to other ideas. Know how often I run across these types? A few times IN my lifetime thus far.

The person that actually practices good will toward man; this is what makes me want to listen to him/her,not what they believe. How can a person practice good will if they are always finding fault with people's religion or faith?

I decided to judge each person by the way they treated me. I don't choose a good friend based on their religious beliefs. I choose a good friend based on their loyalty and compassion. I try to do the same toward them. I won't blindly show loyalty to just any person that happens to have a like minded faith. I pick a good friend because of how well they treat me.Faith is secondary.

If an atheist comes by to assist you on the road, and you are Christian, do you turn them away after a brief questioning of their religious beliefs? If you do, you are bound to be stuck there for a while.
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I call it - Golden Rule Agnosticism.

Pretty self explanatory. Only two things are required. The first is that you treat others as you would want to be treated yourself. In other words there is no sin unless there is harm to another - live and let live and to each his/her own. The second part is that you admit that you have no real clue about how it really works. You can believe in any deity for that matter, but as to the purpose, intent, and moral directive we all really have no clue.

If I am judged at the pearly gates and asked why I didn't follow the *insert holy document of the religion of your choice here* I plan to respond "I did not put my faith in man to recreate your wishes accurately, so I listened to the conscience you had the forethought to bestow upon me."

To those who plan on quoting verses here, I will remind you that they have become less of life lessons and more akin to shields for weak minds to hide behind when they cannot form the words to explain their reasons for believing as they do.

I'm not advocating any one religion here. What I am advocating is a simple two part system that religions should work within. Belief is not a bad thing. It should just be handled in a more academic way. After all, even the most pious person is no more enlightened with answers than the rest of us.

We all are born with questions, search our whole lives for them, then die without ever truly knowing the answers. It is an easily manipulated system that allows individuals to lecture and proclaim divine influence. It is what creates extremism and gives the worst of mankind a platform to build personal followings. The whole experience should be one of discussion, debate, and growth. Wise men know that there is wisdom in proclaiming ignorance. An ignorant man thinks there is wisdom in proclaiming to be wise.

Friendly debate and discussion welcome. Trolls will be ignored!!

hf
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You cant use the first rule since YESHUA (Jesus) taught that.. it is biblical teaching and belongs to the believers..

Matthew 7:12 (King James Version)

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
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What I am advocating is a simple two part system that religions should work within.
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hf


We all are born with questions
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Not true IMO. And this could be the way out to find back to our source.

Just as a dislocated joint pains only as long as it is out of shape, and is forgotten as soon as it is set right, so is all self-concern a symptom of mental distortion which disappears as soon as one is in the normal state. /Šrí Nisargadatta Maharaj
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ALL RELIGION MUST DIE!!!!!

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