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The Spiritual Person of the First Begotten Son of God

 
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If you all will just open up and read the scriptures given in the message and read them, then you will find out the real teachings on this subject, that is, if the Lord has given you to understand.

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You are selling us the words of the Pharisees......and you don't even know it do you? :(


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Elijah is not selling you anything but what the Word of God says. Just simply reading the scriptures given in the message is all we ask you to do.

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 Quoting: Scribe to Elijah 1184003


Elijah has made predictions that have not come through , that is how I know he is a false prophet .

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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SCRIB HAS BEEN FOOLED BY THE MORNING STAR!

JESUS WAS NOT , IS NOT , AND NEVER WILL BE MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL. JESUS WAS THERE AT THE VERY BEGINING, AS THE WORD!



I do not write these messages, but it is clear this truth has completely evaded you.


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"Michael" means "Who is like God" (its all in the name)!

We get hung up on the name being different than what we are familiar with but, after all, we call Him "Jesus" and that wasn't His name either! Don't get hung up on the name, I believe what Elijah says here is spiritually accurate.

Look up the referenced scriptures before you judge the matter. Who else could Michael be? Pray for your own discernment, let the Author of His Word tell you for Himself. Don't just write this off as blasphemy when you haven't even read the scriptures referenced. ("He who judges a matter before He hears it is a folly and a shame.")

Thanks Elijah and Scribe for reminding us that we are to remain diligent for our own Spiritual Growth and follow Proverbs 25:2 "It is the Glory of God to conceal a matter but the honor of kings to search a matter out."



Nicely said. hf
 Quoting: meroj 1177551


Elijah has always said, if there's just one person who sees the truth, then it's worth the labor we have put into getting this message out to you, and I do agree.

Thanks for your input, you two.

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The Holy Spirit has to impart "spiritual discernment". You can't think it up for yourself but you can pray for God's Wisdom and Discernment in all sincerity and He will give it to you.
 Quoting: ^Watcher^

"spiritual discernment"? What is that exactly????

You mean were somebody else does your thinking for you......like the Holy Ghost for example?

Sorry 'Watcher', but I think all to often, "spiritual discernment" is nothing more than an excuse for saying that you think your kind of thinking is better than my kind of thinking.........and THAT based upon what a book has told you!?! :(

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If you all will just open up and read the scriptures given in the message and read them, then you will find out the real teachings on this subject, that is, if the Lord has given you to understand.

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You are selling us the words of the Pharisees......and you don't even know it do you? :(


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Elijah is not selling you anything but what the Word of God says. Just simply reading the scriptures given in the message is all we ask you to do.

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 Quoting: Scribe to Elijah 1184003


I don´t need to read the quotes you mentioning because I understand what you conclude.

Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them.


Excuse me, but that is not my Jesus.
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If you all will just open up and read the scriptures given in the message and read them, then you will find out the real teachings on this subject, that is, if the Lord has given you to understand.

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You are selling us the words of the Pharisees......and you don't even know it do you? :(


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Elijah is not selling you anything but what the Word of God says. Just simply reading the scriptures given in the message is all we ask you to do.

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Elijah has made predictions that have not come through , that is how I know he is a false prophet .

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1187333



That's because they have not yet been fulfilled. A false prophet is a liar, and Elijah is far from that as the east is from the west. To be quite honest, he is the most godly and caring man I have ever met.

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Proverbs 25:2 "It is the Glory of God to conceal a matter but the honor of kings to search a matter out."

Tell me something 'Watcher': Do you even know who wrote Proverbs?


Solomon's Book of Wisdom.
 Quoting: ^Watcher^

And do you really think Solomon(with all his wives) was any wiser than you?
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If you all will just open up and read the scriptures given in the message and read them, then you will find out the real teachings on this subject, that is, if the Lord has given you to understand.

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You are selling us the words of the Pharisees......and you don't even know it do you? :(


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Elijah is not selling you anything but what the Word of God says. Just simply reading the scriptures given in the message is all we ask you to do.

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I don´t need to read the quotes you mentioning because I understand what you conclude.

Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them.


Excuse me, but that is not my Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154807


That's just it, you don't understand unless you do read these scriptures. This message is the fruit of hours of work by Elijah searching the scripture, and my scribing it for him. It is for your benefit.

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Proverbs 25:2 "It is the Glory of God to conceal a matter but the honor of kings to search a matter out."

Tell me something 'Watcher': Do you even know who wrote Proverbs?


Solomon's Book of Wisdom.

And do you really think Solomon(with all his wives) was any wiser than you?
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe



Solomon was not only and adulterer but also a fornicator with Asherah who is the enemy of YAH. He brought Idolatry into the Temple of YAH

His father was both a adulterer and murderer.

If you look to man to bear evidence of YAH than you will be disappointed every time.

Wisdom comes from the lips of YAH and he DOES use erroneous man to pass the truth.

If thats something a person cannot accept then there is nothing more to be done.

It is the heart that is weighed. And no man can examine the heart of his brother or sister.
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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If you all will just open up and read the scriptures given in the message and read them, then you will find out the real teachings on this subject, that is, if the Lord has given you to understand.

.

You are selling us the words of the Pharisees......and you don't even know it do you? :(


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Elijah is not selling you anything but what the Word of God says. Just simply reading the scriptures given in the message is all we ask you to do.

.


I don´t need to read the quotes you mentioning because I understand what you conclude.

Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them.


Excuse me, but that is not my Jesus.


That's just it, you don't understand unless you do read these scriptures. This message is the fruit of hours of work by Elijah searching the scripture, and my scribing it for him. It is for your benefit.

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 Quoting: Scribe to Elijah 1184003


I have been stadying the Bible since I was a teen and never came to conclusions like your ones.

Michael was created - Jesus was NOT!
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Well Scribe you did not answer my question.

Was your teacher born Elijah?
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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What faux-elijah is selling you is his own schizoid belief that God hijacked his life and turned him into Elijah of Scripture. Just not so, and not In-Accord With God's Will or Functionings.

These are the final moments.
Have never seen a True Christian witness from this schizo. Certainly he's never written that Jesus IS The Way Unto The Father or given witness of how he gave his life to God so others might be encouraged to Lift Up The Son Of Man...

Lots of effort to make his readers believe he is elijah though. As if anyone going about Doing God's Will needs your understanding or assent to do so. When The Father Manifested Moses and Elijah to Jesus in the desert, several of the Apostles were present. God did not hijack anyone on that occasion. HE Has not done so on any occasion...

Pity that none of the faux-elijah crowd are Born-Again per Ezekiel 36:26-27, otherwise it would be plain to them because of The Holy Spirit's Witness and their own God-Enabled discernment.

The angels have nothing to do with Coming Unto The Father or Jesus. They Serve and Give Witness, but are not more than HIS emissaries. Knowing HIM, being Born-Again would mean understanding that only witness and Doing HIS Will matters.

Too bad faux-boy seeks only for self rather than Father and Christ...

Maranatha!!!
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If you all will just open up and read the scriptures given in the message and read them, then you will find out the real teachings on this subject, that is, if the Lord has given you to understand.

.

You are selling us the words of the Pharisees......and you don't even know it do you? :(


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Elijah is not selling you anything but what the Word of God says. Just simply reading the scriptures given in the message is all we ask you to do.

.


I don´t need to read the quotes you mentioning because I understand what you conclude.

Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them.


Excuse me, but that is not my Jesus.


That's just it, you don't understand unless you do read these scriptures. This message is the fruit of hours of work by Elijah searching the scripture, and my scribing it for him. It is for your benefit.

.


I have been stadying the Bible since I was a teen and never came to conclusions like your ones.

Michael was created - Jesus was NOT!
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The vessel of Jesus was for the purpose of the indwelling spirit of Michael.

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What faux-elijah is selling you is his own schizoid belief that God hijacked his life and turned him into Elijah of Scripture. Just not so, and not In-Accord With God's Will or Functionings.

These are the final moments.
Have never seen a True Christian witness from this schizo. Certainly he's never written that Jesus IS The Way Unto The Father or given witness of how he gave his life to God so others might be encouraged to Lift Up The Son Of Man...

Lots of effort to make his readers believe he is elijah though. As if anyone going about Doing God's Will needs your understanding or assent to do so. When The Father Manifested Moses and Elijah to Jesus in the desert, several of the Apostles were present. God did not hijack anyone on that occasion. HE Has not done so on any occasion...

Pity that none of the faux-elijah crowd are Born-Again per Ezekiel 36:26-27, otherwise it would be plain to them because of The Holy Spirit's Witness and their own God-Enabled discernment.

The angels have nothing to do with Coming Unto The Father or Jesus. They Serve and Give Witness, but are not more than HIS emissaries. Knowing HIM, being Born-Again would mean understanding that only witness and Doing HIS Will matters.

Too bad faux-boy seeks only for self rather than Father and Christ...

Maranatha!!!
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Well I wouldn't curse the man...I just want a straight answer..

Was he born Elijah (meaning is that the name given to him by his parents)

We are told to test the spirits and I want to test Elijah.
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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Proverbs 25:2 "It is the Glory of God to conceal a matter but the honor of kings to search a matter out."

Tell me something 'Watcher': Do you even know who wrote Proverbs?


Solomon's Book of Wisdom.

And do you really think Solomon(with all his wives) was any wiser than you?



Solomon was not only and adulterer but also a fornicator with Asherah who is the enemy of YAH. He brought Idolatry into the Temple of YAH

His father was both a adulterer and murderer.

If you look to man to bear evidence of YAH than you will be disappointed every time.

Wisdom comes from the lips of YAH and he DOES use erroneous man to pass the truth.

If thats something a person cannot accept then there is nothing more to be done.

It is the heart that is weighed. And no man can examine the heart of his brother or sister.
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!

Well said Yah! That's what I was trying to teach 'Watcher'!!! Goofy Thum
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If you all will just open up and read the scriptures given in the message and read them, then you will find out the real teachings on this subject, that is, if the Lord has given you to understand.

.

You are selling us the words of the Pharisees......and you don't even know it do you? :(


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Elijah is not selling you anything but what the Word of God says. Just simply reading the scriptures given in the message is all we ask you to do.

.


I don´t need to read the quotes you mentioning because I understand what you conclude.

Matthew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them.


Excuse me, but that is not my Jesus.


That's just it, you don't understand unless you do read these scriptures. This message is the fruit of hours of work by Elijah searching the scripture, and my scribing it for him. It is for your benefit.

.


I have been stadying the Bible since I was a teen and never came to conclusions like your ones.

Michael was created - Jesus was NOT!



The vessel of Jesus was for the purpose of the indwelling spirit of Michael.

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 Quoting: Scribe to Elijah 1184003


What a vessel - you mean like an idol?
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Michael was created - Jesus was NOT!
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I beg to differ: We are ALL created!
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Scribe are you going to leave without answering my question?


Was he born Elijah and named that by his parents?


I have posted this a few times and you're not answering me.


Please answer.


Thank You.
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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SCRIB HAS BEEN FOOLED BY THE MORNING STAR!

JESUS WAS NOT , IS NOT , AND NEVER WILL BE MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL. JESUS WAS THERE AT THE VERY BEGINING, AS THE WORD!
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NO Jesus was NOT there at the very beginning. He was created later. He is not the only Begotten Son of god, that is the Eternal Son. Jesus is our CREATOR SON of JUST THIS universe, which is one of 700,000 universes. Each has it's own Creator Son whose parents are the Universal Father and the Eternal Son.

From the Urantia Book:


The Eternal Son is the original and only-begotten Son of God. He is God the Son, the Second Person of Deity and the associate creator of all things. As the Father is the First Great Source and Center, so the Eternal Son is the Second Great Source and Center.

(74.1) 6:1.2 The Eternal Son is the spiritual center and the divine administrator of the spiritual government of the universe of universes. The Universal Father is first a creator and then a controller; the Eternal Son is first a cocreator and then a spiritual administrator. “God is spirit,” and the Son is a personal revelation of that spirit. The First Source and Center is the Volitional Absolute; the Second Source and Center is the Personality Absolute.

(74.2) 6:1.3 The Universal Father never personally functions as a creator except in conjunction with the Son or with the co-ordinate action of the Son. Had the New Testament writer referred to the Eternal Son, he would have uttered the truth when he wrote: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.”

(74.3) 6:1.4 When a Son of the Eternal Son appeared on Urantia, those who fraternized with this divine being in human form alluded to him as “He who was from the beginning, whom we have heard, whom we have seen with our eyes, whom we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, even the Word of life.” And this bestowal Son came forth from the Father just as truly as did the Original Son, as is suggested in one of his earthly prayers: “And now, O my Father, glorify me with your own self, with the glory which I had with you before this world was.”

(74.4) 6:1.5 The Eternal Son is known by different names in various universes. In the central universe he is known as the Co-ordinate Source, the Cocreator, and the Associate Absolute. On Uversa, the headquarters of the superuniverse, we designate the Son as the Co-ordinate Spirit Center and as the Eternal Spirit Administrator. On Salvington, the headquarters of your local universe, this Son is of record as the Second Eternal Source and Center. The Melchizedeks speak of him as the Son of Sons. On your world, but not in your system of inhabited spheres, this Original Son has been confused with a co-ordinate Creator Son, Michael of Nebadon, who bestowed himself upon the mortal races of Urantia.

(74.5) 6:1.6 Although any of the Paradise Sons may fittingly be called Sons of God, we are in the habit of reserving the designation “the Eternal Son” for this Original Son, the Second Source and Center, cocreator with the Universal Father of the central universe of power and perfection and cocreator of all other divine Sons who spring from the infinite Deities.



This above is the from Paper 6 of the Urantia Book at www.urantia.org.

There is ore in the UB about this confusion of our Michael Son with the Eternal Son. someone may or may not have posted in my thread about the UB. Thread: Discovering the Urantia Book
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Person is a word of enslavement, and the foundation of fraud...

You would be wise to eliminate it from your vocabulary.


In law:

Title 29-A: MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 1: GENERAL PROVISIONS
§101. Definitions

Person. "Person" means an individual, corporation, firm, partnership, joint venture, association, fiduciary, trust, estate or any other legal or commercial entity.


or 'religion':

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. - Leviticus 19:15

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. - James 2:9-10+12


hf
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The vessel of Jesus was for the purpose of the indwelling spirit of Michael.
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Sorry Scribe, I would have to disagree with that statement!

I know there are many out there who think this is the case........but it just wasn't/isn't so!!!!
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Proverbs 25:2 "It is the Glory of God to conceal a matter but the honor of kings to search a matter out."

Tell me something 'Watcher': Do you even know who wrote Proverbs?


Solomon's Book of Wisdom.

And do you really think Solomon(with all his wives) was any wiser than you?



Solomon was not only and adulterer but also a fornicator with Asherah who is the enemy of YAH. He brought Idolatry into the Temple of YAH

His father was both a adulterer and murderer.

If you look to man to bear evidence of YAH than you will be disappointed every time.

Wisdom comes from the lips of YAH and he DOES use erroneous man to pass the truth.

If thats something a person cannot accept then there is nothing more to be done.

It is the heart that is weighed. And no man can examine the heart of his brother or sister.

Well said Yah! That's what I was trying to teach 'Watcher'!!! Goofy Thum
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Hey Thank you.
I think you're a good person.
Keep searching for truth.

hf
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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Solomon was not only and adulterer but also a fornicator with Asherah who is the enemy of YAH. He brought Idolatry into the Temple of YAH

His father was both a adulterer and murderer.

If you look to man to bear evidence of YAH than you will be disappointed every time.

Wisdom comes from the lips of YAH and he DOES use erroneous man to pass the truth.

If thats something a person cannot accept then there is nothing more to be done.

It is the heart that is weighed. And no man can examine the heart of his brother or sister.
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!



Any Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again KNOWS if another Abides With God and Recognizes The In-Dwelling Presence of HIS Holy Spirit in that other person.

Call that Knowing your heart. Not something you've experienced? Then, by my witness you aren't thusly Born-Again and God cannot be imparting HIS Wisdom to you since God does not Abide With sinners.

Erroneous man does not impart wisdom, true enough. Yet the Born-Again Christian can and will give True witness of what he/she has Seen and Knows of Living In, With, and Through God. That is "evidence" that Witnesses True to those whose hearts have been Called By The Father. Another pertinent something you know nothing about...


Can't Trust God Fully with every aspect of your life? Then you will never make your Leap Of Faith and Receive A New Heart of HIS Flesh and thereby Be Enabled to live without continuing to sin, Know HIS Will and Do It.

The carnal stony-heart imagines much in its efforts to "study unto the approval of God", too bad those who post false-witness ostensibly to Serve HIM do not "first become Partakers Of The Fruit".

faux-elijah draws the carnal-hearted like flies to dung.
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Solomon was not only and adulterer but also a fornicator with Asherah who is the enemy of YAH. He brought Idolatry into the Temple of YAH

His father was both a adulterer and murderer.

If you look to man to bear evidence of YAH than you will be disappointed every time.

Wisdom comes from the lips of YAH and he DOES use erroneous man to pass the truth.

If thats something a person cannot accept then there is nothing more to be done.

It is the heart that is weighed. And no man can examine the heart of his brother or sister.
 Quoting: YAH Stone Massive!



Any Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again KNOWS if another Abides With God and Recognizes The In-Dwelling Presence of HIS Holy Spirit in that other person.

Call that Knowing your heart. Not something you've experienced? Then, by my witness you aren't thusly Born-Again and God cannot be imparting HIS Wisdom to you since God does not Abide With sinners.

Erroneous man does not impart wisdom, true enough. Yet the Born-Again Christian can and will give True witness of what he/she has Seen and Knows of Living In, With, and Through God. That is "evidence" that Witnesses True to those whose hearts have been Called By The Father. Another pertinent something you know nothing about...


Can't Trust God Fully with every aspect of your life? Then you will never make your Leap Of Faith and Receive A New Heart of HIS Flesh and thereby Be Enabled to live without continuing to sin, Know HIS Will and Do It.

The carnal stony-heart imagines much in its efforts to "study unto the approval of God", too bad those who post false-witness ostensibly to Serve HIM do not "first become Partakers Of The Fruit".

faux-elijah draws the carnal-hearted like flies to dung.
You guys have fun!
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What faux-elijah is selling you is his own schizoid belief that God hijacked his life and turned him into Elijah of Scripture. Just not so, and not In-Accord With God's Will or Functionings.

These are the final moments.
Have never seen a True Christian witness from this schizo. Certainly he's never written that Jesus IS The Way Unto The Father or given witness of how he gave his life to God so others might be encouraged to Lift Up The Son Of Man...

Lots of effort to make his readers believe he is elijah though. As if anyone going about Doing God's Will needs your understanding or assent to do so. When The Father Manifested Moses and Elijah to Jesus in the desert, several of the Apostles were present. God did not hijack anyone on that occasion. HE Has not done so on any occasion...

Pity that none of the faux-elijah crowd are Born-Again per Ezekiel 36:26-27, otherwise it would be plain to them because of The Holy Spirit's Witness and their own God-Enabled discernment.

The angels have nothing to do with Coming Unto The Father or Jesus. They Serve and Give Witness, but are not more than HIS emissaries. Knowing HIM, being Born-Again would mean understanding that only witness and Doing HIS Will matters.

Too bad faux-boy seeks only for self rather than Father and Christ...

Maranatha!!!



Well I wouldn't curse the man...I just want a straight answer..

Was he born Elijah (meaning is that the name given to him by his parents)

We are told to test the spirits and I want to test Elijah.
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God called him vocally, "Elijah, go to Egypt". It's as simple as that, he was given the spirit of Elijah right then and there and he has been walking in that spirit ever since.

All the answers you seek are on the Messages of God's Servant Prophet Elijah are on the internet at:

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Michael was created - Jesus was NOT!

I beg to differ: We are ALL created!
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Is your own breath created by you, e.g.?

Not all in this world is created. These most important things in our life remain unconscious.
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SCRIB HAS BEEN FOOLED BY THE MORNING STAR!

JESUS WAS NOT , IS NOT , AND NEVER WILL BE MICHAEL THE ARCH ANGEL. JESUS WAS THERE AT THE VERY BEGINING, AS THE WORD!

NO Jesus was NOT there at the very beginning. He was created later. He is not the only Begotten Son of god, that is the Eternal Son. Jesus is our CREATOR SON of JUST THIS universe, which is one of 700,000 universes. Each has it's own Creator Son whose parents are the Universal Father and the Eternal Son.

From the Urantia Book:


The Eternal Son is the original and only-begotten Son of God. He is God the Son, the Second Person of Deity and the associate creator of all things. As the Father is the First Great Source and Center, so the Eternal Son is the Second Great Source and Center.

(74.1) 6:1.2 The Eternal Son is the spiritual center and the divine administrator of the spiritual government of the universe of universes. The Universal Father is first a creator and then a controller; the Eternal Son is first a cocreator and then a spiritual administrator. “God is spirit,” and the Son is a personal revelation of that spirit. The First Source and Center is the Volitional Absolute; the Second Source and Center is the Personality Absolute.

(74.2) 6:1.3 The Universal Father never personally functions as a creator except in conjunction with the Son or with the co-ordinate action of the Son. Had the New Testament writer referred to the Eternal Son, he would have uttered the truth when he wrote: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.”

(74.3) 6:1.4 When a Son of the Eternal Son appeared on Urantia, those who fraternized with this divine being in human form alluded to him as “He who was from the beginning, whom we have heard, whom we have seen with our eyes, whom we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, even the Word of life.” And this bestowal Son came forth from the Father just as truly as did the Original Son, as is suggested in one of his earthly prayers: “And now, O my Father, glorify me with your own self, with the glory which I had with you before this world was.”

(74.4) 6:1.5 The Eternal Son is known by different names in various universes. In the central universe he is known as the Co-ordinate Source, the Cocreator, and the Associate Absolute. On Uversa, the headquarters of the superuniverse, we designate the Son as the Co-ordinate Spirit Center and as the Eternal Spirit Administrator. On Salvington, the headquarters of your local universe, this Son is of record as the Second Eternal Source and Center. The Melchizedeks speak of him as the Son of Sons. On your world, but not in your system of inhabited spheres, this Original Son has been confused with a co-ordinate Creator Son, Michael of Nebadon, who bestowed himself upon the mortal races of Urantia.

(74.5) 6:1.6 Although any of the Paradise Sons may fittingly be called Sons of God, we are in the habit of reserving the designation “the Eternal Son” for this Original Son, the Second Source and Center, cocreator with the Universal Father of the central universe of power and perfection and cocreator of all other divine Sons who spring from the infinite Deities.



This above is the from Paper 6 of the Urantia Book at www.urantia.org.

There is ore in the UB about this confusion of our Michael Son with the Eternal Son. someone may or may not have posted in my thread about the UB. Thread: Discovering the Urantia Book
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Sorry Candace, but your "urantian book" is as bogus as the "bible book"..........created by the same group of people, to confuse the issue! tdown
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Hey Thank you.
I think you're a good person.
Keep searching for truth.

hf
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Thank you, I will! :)

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What faux-elijah is selling you is his own schizoid belief that God hijacked his life and turned him into Elijah of Scripture. Just not so, and not In-Accord With God's Will or Functionings.

These are the final moments.
Have never seen a True Christian witness from this schizo. Certainly he's never written that Jesus IS The Way Unto The Father or given witness of how he gave his life to God so others might be encouraged to Lift Up The Son Of Man...

Lots of effort to make his readers believe he is elijah though. As if anyone going about Doing God's Will needs your understanding or assent to do so. When The Father Manifested Moses and Elijah to Jesus in the desert, several of the Apostles were present. God did not hijack anyone on that occasion. HE Has not done so on any occasion...

Pity that none of the faux-elijah crowd are Born-Again per Ezekiel 36:26-27, otherwise it would be plain to them because of The Holy Spirit's Witness and their own God-Enabled discernment.

The angels have nothing to do with Coming Unto The Father or Jesus. They Serve and Give Witness, but are not more than HIS emissaries. Knowing HIM, being Born-Again would mean understanding that only witness and Doing HIS Will matters.

Too bad faux-boy seeks only for self rather than Father and Christ...

Maranatha!!!



Well I wouldn't curse the man...I just want a straight answer..

Was he born Elijah (meaning is that the name given to him by his parents)

We are told to test the spirits and I want to test Elijah.


God called him vocally, "Elijah, go to Egypt". It's as simple as that, he was given the spirit of Elijah right then and there and he has been walking in that spirit ever since.

All the answers you seek are on the Messages of God's Servant Prophet Elijah are on the internet at:

[link to groups.yahoo.com]

.
 Quoting: Scribe to Elijah 1184003


I read some of his messages. If he believes that YAH has called him then I wish him peace.

How long has he been trying to gain entry into Israel?
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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Is your own breath created by you, e.g.?
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That's a good question: But I would still have to say YES.......even if it is on some other level of consciousness! :)
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Scribe are you going to leave without answering my question?


Was he born Elijah and named that by his parents?


I have posted this a few times and you're not answering me.


Please answer.


Thank You.
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His name is Ernie Mauck, and he sounds like one of those folks who'd probably be happier under the old covenant. . .

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