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David, a man after YHVH's own heart

 
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... The Leapord is the Greek Empire under Alexander...

The Leapord is the same as the goat in the next chapter...

You should read some history books and find out what happened to Alexanders Empire after he died... Prophecy fulfilled!

... Even the Beast with 10 horns would say...
wtbeast
Total Protonic Reversal...
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... The Leapord is the Greek Empire under Alexander...

The Leapord is the same as the goat in the next chapter...

You should read some history books and find out what happened to Alexanders Empire after he died... Prophecy fulfilled!

... Even the Beast with 10 horns would say...
wtbeast
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The seven headed beast is the return of Atlantean rule!!

Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!

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How can the leopard be Greece?

If Daniel witnessed a prophetic vision of things to come, then that would mean Persia could not be the Lion, because it was already in existence prior to the vision.
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... The Leapord is the Greek Empire under Alexander...

The Leapord is the same as the goat in the next chapter...

You should read some history books and find out what happened to Alexanders Empire after he died... Prophecy fulfilled!

... Even the Beast with 10 horns would say...
wtbeast
 Quoting: GUANO


The seven headed beast is the return of Atlantean rule!!

Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!

Thread: Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!


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 Quoting: HardTruth



The ROME beast in Daniel doesn't have seven heads, BUT!!!! BUT!!!! COUNT ALL THE DAMN HEADS TOGETHER!!! SEVEN OF THEM... COUNT THEM!!! S-E-V-E-N

After the death of Alexander the Great, as many as 13 sub-kingdoms and fiefdoms within his vast empire vied for power. But four dominant sub-kingdoms rose head and shoulders above the rest. These are the 4 Heads of Daniel 7's Grecian beast, and are also represented by the 4 Horns of Daniel 8. These kingdoms, using their geographic and political modern place-names, were,

Leapord (4) heads =
1. Greece
2. Turkey
3. Syria
4. Egypt

Medo-Persian (bear) head =
5. Iran

Babylonian head (lion) =
6. Iraq

Diverse 10 horned beast's head =

7. Rome


In the time of John of Patmos:
"Five have fallen"

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persia
5. Greece

"one is" (in the time of the prophecy)
---Rome

"one is yet to come"
---The Seven Headed-10-Horned Beast which is the consolidation of all previous beasts...

7 heads...
1. Babylon- the "lion"
2. Persia- the "bear"
3. Greece- the "4-Headed leopard"
4. Turkey
5. Syria (Assyria)
6. Egypt
7. Rome

10 horns... (actually 11 counting the 'little horn')
1. Britain
2. France
3. Spain
4. Italy
5. Germany
6. Greece
7. Turkey
8. Syria
9. Egypt
10. Iraq
11. Iran

There may be a difference between the 10 horns of Daniel and the ten horns of Revelation, I'm still studying this very deeply but the 10 horns of Revelation may be:

1. Egypt
2. Jordan
3. Morocco
4. Tunisia
5. Algeria
6. Lybia
7. Mauritania
8. Syria
9. Lebanon
10.Palestinian Authority.
Total Protonic Reversal...
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The ROME beast in Daniel doesn't have seven heads, BUT!!!! BUT!!!! COUNT ALL THE DAMN HEADS TOGETHER!!! SEVEN OF THEM... COUNT THEM!!! S-E-V-E-N

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The seven headed beast is the return of Atlantean rule!!

Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!

Thread: Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!


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Interesting thread.... thanks!





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I love that verse Shamar, He hath surely lifted me many times out of a poop pile. lol
 Quoting: Tirzah


Oh man, me too!
 Quoting: GUANO

tounge

you have quite the sense of humor!!!
 Quoting: Shamar


No, I think it's "His" sense of humor! To take a loser like me out of poverty, drug addiction, ect into a great job, wife, and daughter!
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I was referring to your name.....someone else referred to you as *poop* and you clarified it is fertilizer... :)
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Re: David, a man after YHVH's own heart
... The Leapord is the Greek Empire under Alexander...

The Leapord is the same as the goat in the next chapter...

You should read some history books and find out what happened to Alexanders Empire after he died... Prophecy fulfilled!

... Even the Beast with 10 horns would say...
wtbeast
 Quoting: GUANO


The seven headed beast is the return of Atlantean rule!!

Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!

Thread: Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



The ROME beast in Daniel doesn't have seven heads, BUT!!!! BUT!!!! COUNT ALL THE DAMN HEADS TOGETHER!!! SEVEN OF THEM... COUNT THEM!!! S-E-V-E-N

After the death of Alexander the Great, as many as 13 sub-kingdoms and fiefdoms within his vast empire vied for power. But four dominant sub-kingdoms rose head and shoulders above the rest. These are the 4 Heads of Daniel 7's Grecian beast, and are also represented by the 4 Horns of Daniel 8. These kingdoms, using their geographic and political modern place-names, were,

Leapord (4) heads =
1. Greece
2. Turkey
3. Syria
4. Egypt

Medo-Persian (bear) head =
5. Iran

Babylonian head (lion) =
6. Iraq

Diverse 10 horned beast's head =

7. Rome


In the time of John of Patmos:
"Five have fallen"

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persia
5. Greece

"one is" (in the time of the prophecy)
---Rome

"one is yet to come"
---The Seven Headed-10-Horned Beast which is the consolidation of all previous beasts...

7 heads...
1. Babylon- the "lion"
2. Persia- the "bear"
3. Greece- the "4-Headed leopard"
4. Turkey
5. Syria (Assyria)
6. Egypt
7. Rome

10 horns... (actually 11 counting the 'little horn')
1. Britain
2. France
3. Spain
4. Italy
5. Germany
6. Greece
7. Turkey
8. Syria
9. Egypt
10. Iraq
11. Iran

There may be a difference between the 10 horns of Daniel and the ten horns of Revelation, I'm still studying this very deeply but the 10 horns of Revelation may be:

1. Egypt
2. Jordan
3. Morocco
4. Tunisia
5. Algeria
6. Lybia
7. Mauritania
8. Syria
9. Lebanon
10.Palestinian Authority.
 Quoting: GUANO

The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rome (as in the church) is the woman.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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How can the leopard be Greece?

If Daniel witnessed a prophetic vision of things to come, then that would mean Persia could not be the Lion, because it was already in existence prior to the vision.
 Quoting: ZTE



Babylon (lion) conquered by Persia(bear), Persia (bear) was conquered by Greece (4-headed Leapord), Greece (leapord) was conquered by Rome (10 diverse beast)

Also consider this: the statue of Daniel 2 is all of these nations, this vision is what gets Daniel into prophecy and they are all related to the first! The 10 toes of the statue are the 10 horns of early rome...

Also consider: Daniel was written in Aramaic meaning it was a warning and prophecy for babylon and the mid-east nations... the last chapters, I believe 7 or 8 and then so-on were written in Hebrew which means they are for the people of God and regarding the last days...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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... The Leapord is the Greek Empire under Alexander...

The Leapord is the same as the goat in the next chapter...

You should read some history books and find out what happened to Alexanders Empire after he died... Prophecy fulfilled!

... Even the Beast with 10 horns would say...
wtbeast
 Quoting: GUANO


The seven headed beast is the return of Atlantean rule!!

Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!

Thread: Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



The ROME beast in Daniel doesn't have seven heads, BUT!!!! BUT!!!! COUNT ALL THE DAMN HEADS TOGETHER!!! SEVEN OF THEM... COUNT THEM!!! S-E-V-E-N

After the death of Alexander the Great, as many as 13 sub-kingdoms and fiefdoms within his vast empire vied for power. But four dominant sub-kingdoms rose head and shoulders above the rest. These are the 4 Heads of Daniel 7's Grecian beast, and are also represented by the 4 Horns of Daniel 8. These kingdoms, using their geographic and political modern place-names, were,

Leapord (4) heads =
1. Greece
2. Turkey
3. Syria
4. Egypt

Medo-Persian (bear) head =
5. Iran

Babylonian head (lion) =
6. Iraq

Diverse 10 horned beast's head =

7. Rome


In the time of John of Patmos:
"Five have fallen"

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persia
5. Greece

"one is" (in the time of the prophecy)
---Rome

"one is yet to come"
---The Seven Headed-10-Horned Beast which is the consolidation of all previous beasts...

7 heads...
1. Babylon- the "lion"
2. Persia- the "bear"
3. Greece- the "4-Headed leopard"
4. Turkey
5. Syria (Assyria)
6. Egypt
7. Rome

10 horns... (actually 11 counting the 'little horn')
1. Britain
2. France
3. Spain
4. Italy
5. Germany
6. Greece
7. Turkey
8. Syria
9. Egypt
10. Iraq
11. Iran

There may be a difference between the 10 horns of Daniel and the ten horns of Revelation, I'm still studying this very deeply but the 10 horns of Revelation may be:

1. Egypt
2. Jordan
3. Morocco
4. Tunisia
5. Algeria
6. Lybia
7. Mauritania
8. Syria
9. Lebanon
10.Palestinian Authority.
 Quoting: GUANO



LOL, please tell me which beast hasn't any horns, or which ones have more than one!!

Seven headed beast with ten horns, ok, how's that done?


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The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rome (as in the church) is the woman.
 Quoting: Shamar



Respectful disagreement:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]





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Babylon (lion) conquered by Persia(bear), Persia (bear) was conquered by Greece (4-headed Leapord), Greece (leapord) was conquered by Rome (10 diverse beast)

Also consider this: the statue of Daniel 2 is all of these nations, this vision is what gets Daniel into prophecy and they are all related to the first! The 10 toes of the statue are the 10 horns of early rome...

Also consider: Daniel was written in Aramaic meaning it was a warning and prophecy for babylon and the mid-east nations... the last chapters, I believe 7 or 8 and then so-on were written in Hebrew which means they are for the people of God and regarding the last days...
 Quoting: GUANO


Babylon didn't conquer Persia.

Babylon/Persia/Media was a triarchic government full of strife between the 3 peoples. Darius 1 was a Mede who called himself by a Persian name. That does not mean the Persians conquered Babylon. It means a Mede took control of the power and called himself by a Persian name to quench the Persian uprest. However, the Babylonian/Persia kingdom was still one kingdom.

It's like saying the Northern State have just conquered the Southern states because Obama was elected president. Yeah, we don't like it very much down here in the South, but we're still the same country as before.

Daniel 7
15 “I, Daniel, was troubled in spirit, and the visions that passed through my mind disturbed me. 16 I approached one of those standing there and asked him the meaning of all this.

“So he told me and gave me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.

Meaning, they have not risen from the earth yet.


Meaning, Babylon/Persia (which was in existence) cannot be the first beast because it was the kingdom during the time of Dani'el.
If you can justify killing one man, you can justify killing every man.

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... The Leapord is the Greek Empire under Alexander...

The Leapord is the same as the goat in the next chapter...

You should read some history books and find out what happened to Alexanders Empire after he died... Prophecy fulfilled!

... Even the Beast with 10 horns would say...
wtbeast
 Quoting: GUANO


The seven headed beast is the return of Atlantean rule!!

Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!

Thread: Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



The ROME beast in Daniel doesn't have seven heads, BUT!!!! BUT!!!! COUNT ALL THE DAMN HEADS TOGETHER!!! SEVEN OF THEM... COUNT THEM!!! S-E-V-E-N

After the death of Alexander the Great, as many as 13 sub-kingdoms and fiefdoms within his vast empire vied for power. But four dominant sub-kingdoms rose head and shoulders above the rest. These are the 4 Heads of Daniel 7's Grecian beast, and are also represented by the 4 Horns of Daniel 8. These kingdoms, using their geographic and political modern place-names, were,

Leapord (4) heads =
1. Greece
2. Turkey
3. Syria
4. Egypt

Medo-Persian (bear) head =
5. Iran

Babylonian head (lion) =
6. Iraq

Diverse 10 horned beast's head =

7. Rome


In the time of John of Patmos:
"Five have fallen"

1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persia
5. Greece

"one is" (in the time of the prophecy)
---Rome

"one is yet to come"
---The Seven Headed-10-Horned Beast which is the consolidation of all previous beasts...

7 heads...
1. Babylon- the "lion"
2. Persia- the "bear"
3. Greece- the "4-Headed leopard"
4. Turkey
5. Syria (Assyria)
6. Egypt
7. Rome

10 horns... (actually 11 counting the 'little horn')
1. Britain
2. France
3. Spain
4. Italy
5. Germany
6. Greece
7. Turkey
8. Syria
9. Egypt
10. Iraq
11. Iran

There may be a difference between the 10 horns of Daniel and the ten horns of Revelation, I'm still studying this very deeply but the 10 horns of Revelation may be:

1. Egypt
2. Jordan
3. Morocco
4. Tunisia
5. Algeria
6. Lybia
7. Mauritania
8. Syria
9. Lebanon
10.Palestinian Authority.
 Quoting: GUANO

The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rome (as in the church) is the woman.
 Quoting: Shamar


They are Mountain-Head-King-doms.... Horns are principalities or nation-states with governors...



Where Revelation 17:9-10 says specifically that the 7 Heads of the Beast are "seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are seven kings," we can let scripture interpret scripture by going to Jeremiah 51:25 and find that the "mountain" described in that passage is actually a kingdom!-specifically Babylon. Behold, I am against you, O destroying mountain, Who destroys the whole earth," declares the LORD, "And I will stretch out My hand against you, And roll you down from the crags And I will make you a burnt out mountain.
The same result is found when checking out the symbol of the "great mountain" that struck the statue of Daniel 2 and destroyed it. The official interpretation that is given shows it to be the victorious and literal kingdom of Christ in verse 44. Thus the "Mountains" and "Kings" in Revelation 17:910 are seen as Mountain-Kingdoms elsewhere in scripture, with the further connection in the Revelation 17 passage to "Heads."

5 were in the past... (already explained)
1 exists during the time of John (Rome)
1 Yet to come (the composite beast)

= 7 mountain-kingdoms...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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I had an odd dream about 'holy water' last night. It was all over the place and it was a good thing.
God poured out holy water all over the place.
Weird dream.
Coffee in the morning. Tea in the afternoon.
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LOL, please tell me which beast hasn't any horns, or which ones have more than one!!

Seven headed beast with ten horns, ok, how's that done?
 Quoting: HardTruth


Like this...
haveadrink
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Babylon (lion) conquered by Persia(bear), Persia (bear) was conquered by Greece (4-headed Leapord), Greece (leapord) was conquered by Rome (10 diverse beast)

Also consider this: the statue of Daniel 2 is all of these nations, this vision is what gets Daniel into prophecy and they are all related to the first! The 10 toes of the statue are the 10 horns of early rome...

Also consider: Daniel was written in Aramaic meaning it was a warning and prophecy for babylon and the mid-east nations... the last chapters, I believe 7 or 8 and then so-on were written in Hebrew which means they are for the people of God and regarding the last days...
 Quoting: GUANO


Babylon didn't conquer Persia.

Babylon/Persia/Media was a triarchic government full of strife between the 3 peoples. Darius 1 was a Mede who called himself by a Persian name. That does not mean the Persians conquered Babylon. It means a Mede took control of the power and called himself by a Persian name to quench the Persian uprest. However, the Babylonian/Persia kingdom was still one kingdom.

It's like saying the Northern State have just conquered the Southern states because Obama was elected president. Yeah, we don't like it very much down here in the South, but we're still the same country as before.

Daniel 7
15 “I, Daniel, was troubled in spirit, and the visions that passed through my mind disturbed me. 16 I approached one of those standing there and asked him the meaning of all this.

“So he told me and gave me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.

Meaning, they have not risen from the earth yet.


Meaning, Babylon/Persia (which was in existence) cannot be the first beast because it was the kingdom during the time of Dani'el.
 Quoting: ZTE


Sorry that's another typo, i'm at work so I can't concentrate very well... PERSIA conquered BABYLON...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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Sorry that's another typo, i'm at work so I can't concentrate very well... PERSIA conquered BABYLON...
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Again, no they did not. I again refer you to my statement that the Northern states did not conquer the Southern states in the last election. Babylon/Persia was the same kingdom, with a different majority of "voters."

Last Edited by Zedakah on 02/04/2011 02:59 PM
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Babylon (lion) conquered by Persia(bear), Persia (bear) was conquered by Greece (4-headed Leapord), Greece (leapord) was conquered by Rome (10 diverse beast)

Also consider this: the statue of Daniel 2 is all of these nations, this vision is what gets Daniel into prophecy and they are all related to the first! The 10 toes of the statue are the 10 horns of early rome...

Also consider: Daniel was written in Aramaic meaning it was a warning and prophecy for babylon and the mid-east nations... the last chapters, I believe 7 or 8 and then so-on were written in Hebrew which means they are for the people of God and regarding the last days...
 Quoting: GUANO


Babylon didn't conquer Persia.

Babylon/Persia/Media was a triarchic government full of strife between the 3 peoples. Darius 1 was a Mede who called himself by a Persian name. That does not mean the Persians conquered Babylon. It means a Mede took control of the power and called himself by a Persian name to quench the Persian uprest. However, the Babylonian/Persia kingdom was still one kingdom.

It's like saying the Northern State have just conquered the Southern states because Obama was elected president. Yeah, we don't like it very much down here in the South, but we're still the same country as before.

Daniel 7
15 “I, Daniel, was troubled in spirit, and the visions that passed through my mind disturbed me. 16 I approached one of those standing there and asked him the meaning of all this.

“So he told me and gave me the interpretation of these things: 17 ‘The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.

Meaning, they have not risen from the earth yet.


Meaning, Babylon/Persia (which was in existence) cannot be the first beast because it was the kingdom during the time of Dani'el.
 Quoting: ZTE



Not Darius... Cyrus was the Median/Persian King who sacked Babylon and is the one the scripture refers to... The king of babylon that would fall to Cyrus was not on the scene yet.

Daniel lived during the Neo-Babylonian (Chaldean) empire... But the king who was to come that would be taken by Cyrus was not a king during Daniel's time... Nabu-na'id (Nabonidus) was the king who would be conquered by Persia...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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Cyrus was the last King of the Neo-Babylonia era and he conquered Babylon (but not by force)...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Not Darius... Cyrus was the Median/Persian King who sacked Babylon and is the one the scripture refers to... The king of babylon that would fall to Cyrus was not on the scene yet.

Daniel lived during the Neo-Babylonian (Chaldean) empire... But the king who was to come that would be taken by Cyrus was not a king during Daniel's time... Nabu-na'id (Nabonidus) was the king who would be conquered by Persia...
 Quoting: GUANO



The thing is, he didn't "sack" Babylon. Persia never conquered Babylon. There was no change in culture or times/dates. It was a political move, not physical.

But more importantly you are ignoring the logical fallacy of the Beasts TO COME were in effect during the time of Daniel. But I guess you aren't one to let logic, reason and historical accuracy sway your beliefs.

Cyrus was a king during Daniel's time as well, as well as Xerxes.

Daniel's in the book of Esther with his Persian name.


Daniel 5

30 That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians,[h] was slain, 31 and Darius the Mede took over the kingdom, at the age of sixty-two.

Belshazzar was the last king of Babylon - no more babylonian king after this.

Jeremiah 51

11 “Sharpen the arrows,
take up the shields!
YHWH has stirred up the kings of the Medes,
because his purpose is to destroy Babylon.

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The Neo-Babylonian Empire was not part of Media-Persia until Cyrus came to town... Which was after Daniel wrote the chapters we're discussing...

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All I can say to this is WTF? The angel tells Daniel...
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Then you most likely won't agree with the identification of the 'fourth beast':

19Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;






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Concerning Babylon’s fall, Jeremiah represented the Lord as saying: “I have laid a snare for you, and you are also taken, O Babylon” (50:24). The term “snare” suggests that the citizens of the city would be taken by surprise; they “were not aware” of what was happening until it was too late (50:24b). Herodotus wrote: “Had the Babylonians been apprised of what Cyrus was about, or had they noticed their danger, they would never have allowed the Persians to enter their city” (I.191).

One aspect in the rapid conquest of the city had to do with the fact that the Babylonians, in their smug security, were engaged in drunken festivities; thus, they were wholly unconcerned about the enemy beyond their massive walls. But the Lord had declared: “When they are heated, I will make their feast, and I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, says Jehovah” (Jeremiah 51:39). Again: “And I will make drunk her princes and her wise men, her governors and her deputies, and her mighty men; and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, says the King whose name is Jehovah of hosts” (Jeremiah 51:57).
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Herodotus recorded that the citizens of the central section of the city did not know that Babylon had fallen for a good while because “they were engaged in a festival, continued dancing and revelling until they learnt the capture” (I.191). Similarly, Xenophon said that “there was a festival in Babylon, in which all the Babylonians drank and revelled the whole night” (VII.5.15).
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30 That very night Belshazzar, king of the Babylonians, was slain, 31 and Darius the Mede took over the kingdom, at the age of sixty-two.

Sure sounds like a surprise attack to me. (They usually happen at night when people least expect them to happen)
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All I can say to this is WTF? The angel tells Daniel...
 Quoting: GUANO




Then you most likely won't agree with the identification of the 'fourth beast':

19Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;






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I certainly agree with 'the' identification, but not yours...

The teeth of iron and nails of brass are CLEARLY references to rome via Daniel 2's statue...
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I think it was Cyrus because he was the founder of Persia under the Achaemenid Empire which spans a long perioud until it was defeated by Greece...
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All I can say to this is WTF? The angel tells Daniel...
 Quoting: GUANO




Then you most likely won't agree with the identification of the 'fourth beast':

19Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;






:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


I certainly agree with 'the' identification, but not yours...

The teeth of iron and nails of brass are CLEARLY references to rome via Daniel 2's statue...
 Quoting: GUANO



Please clarify:
Are you saying that Rome is the fourth and final "beast" that is yet to be destroyed?





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I was referring to your name.....someone else referred to you as *poop* and you clarified it is fertilizer... :)
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Oh! hahaha yeah! It originated cause I like Ace Ventura... When I lived in Vegas I had a license plate that read GUANO and it was basically a sneaky way to have a license plate that said "shit" LOL... I got pulled over once and the officer was very impressed by it hahaha.
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Personally I believe the lion/eagle was Great Britain and USA.

The lion is the symbol of England.

The Eagle is the symbol of USA.

After a war, power from England was transferred to the USA - making it its own nation.

4 “The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, and the mind of a human was given to it.



Bear = Russia (WW1) - communism - they were known for the slaughter of millions of their own people.

5 “And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, ‘Get up and eat your fill of flesh!’

Leapord = Germany
The Blitz army whose tanks were even called Panzers.

While the symbolism of the wings is far from certain, we can draw a clue from the pair of eagle's wings on the first beast. Just as that pair of wings represented a nation (the United States), so also the two pairs of wings on the back of the leopard could represent the Axis nations which aligned themselves with Germany in WWII (Italy and Japan).

The four heads of the leopard represent the division of Germany into four regions after its defeat in WWII. The eastern half was controlled by Russia, while the western half was split between Great Britain, the United States, and France. Later these western sections were joined into what became West Germany.


And the kicker is....all these nations occurred in the future tense from the time of Daniel. Every beast takes place during a great war. Order from chaos.
If you can justify killing one man, you can justify killing every man.

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