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David, a man after YHVH's own heart

 
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?
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It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)
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It's the day.
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The last day of Hanukkah? I don't know what you mean, sorry. I hope today isn't a day of a bad memory or something. *hug*

I'll fall back, you know it. Help me.
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We ALL stumble. I stumble a LOT. If/when you do, I'd be honored to catch you. However, we both know He would catch you much better than any of us mere mortals ever could. But yes, if I can I will be there for ya if you need me to. I would hope that if you see me starting to revert to my old, angry ways, you'd GENTLY right me, too.

Our differences...
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I've chosen, in recent times, to try my best to focus on the SAMES, not the differences. It's made the world of difference in my walk, I can assure you of that! :D

I think you mean it. I love you too Phydeau.
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I truly do. This might *sound* negative, but I DO mean it in a positive sense: You're like an old, familiar scar that you always rub. While you might remind me of an old wound, that scar has become familiar and comforting over the years. :P


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faith

yes, and ?


(Heart)

Right there in the verse.

Exactly!!

But where did the knowledge of obedience come from?

Who said anything about obedience?
David followed his own heart.

Aha, there is the key. His heart was to be obedient to the Law of the Most High.

Interestingly enough, he had no books or written knowledge to tell him what this was. It was, as is the (re)newed Covenant.....written on his heart.



Why do you assume David had no books or written knowledge? David had the Torah, he counted it a delight and a light to his feet. Moses was to write down everything he was told we just didn't get the scriptures at Yeshua's day. The judged used Torah for judgements, we can find that the Torah is at least 3300 years old. Hello Shamar this is Mizz, just so you know.


Shalom Mizz! Shamar isn't able to post from work, so she emailed me and asked me to post the following in response to you!
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Hi Mizz!! Good to see you hear! David could not have had possession of the Torah because in 2 Kings 22, 23 we learn that the Torah had been MIA and found in the ruins of the House of YHVH. I believe it had been missing for about 550 years.


There is no place in those chpts that say the torah had been lost like that and wasn't Josiah Davids son? And didn't David dance behind the ark that contained the commandments? God Himself makes a convenant with David, God says He has been with David wherever he went, David knew Gods Torah. When David dies and leaves Solomon on the throne he tells him this,

“I go the way of all the earth. You shall be strong, therefore, and show yourself a man, and keep the charge of the Lord your God to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes and His commandments and His testimonies. As it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn.” (1 King 2:2-3)

So yes David did know Torah, did know God and left Solomon with the written word of God. You may be mixing up when Hezekiah and the rest of the southern kingdom came back from captivity to rebuild the temple.



It was during Josiah's reign that Hilkiah the high priest found 'the book of the law' during renovations of the temple. According to my resources, this was in 624 B.C.E See 2 Kings chapter 22 and 2 Chronicles chapter 34.

Who has a resource for when 'the book of the law' was forgotten or lost? If we look to the death of Solomon and the division of the kingdom, we are looking at 975 B.C.E., according to my resource.
 Quoting: PalmOfDeborah

Then that would confirm that David DID have the Torah in his possession during his reign. My source was saying that the torah was MiA for approximately 550 years, which would place that way before David's reign.
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faith

yes, and ?


(Heart)

Right there in the verse.

Exactly!!

But where did the knowledge of obedience come from?

Who said anything about obedience?
David followed his own heart.

Aha, there is the key. His heart was to be obedient to the Law of the Most High.

Interestingly enough, he had no books or written knowledge to tell him what this was. It was, as is the (re)newed Covenant.....written on his heart.



Why do you assume David had no books or written knowledge? David had the Torah, he counted it a delight and a light to his feet. Moses was to write down everything he was told we just didn't get the scriptures at Yeshua's day. The judged used Torah for judgements, we can find that the Torah is at least 3300 years old. Hello Shamar this is Mizz, just so you know.


Shalom Mizz! Shamar isn't able to post from work, so she emailed me and asked me to post the following in response to you!
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Hi Mizz!! Good to see you hear! David could not have had possession of the Torah because in 2 Kings 22, 23 we learn that the Torah had been MIA and found in the ruins of the House of YHVH. I believe it had been missing for about 550 years.


There is no place in those chpts that say the torah had been lost like that and wasn't Josiah Davids son? And didn't David dance behind the ark that contained the commandments? God Himself makes a convenant with David, God says He has been with David wherever he went, David knew Gods Torah. When David dies and leaves Solomon on the throne he tells him this,

“I go the way of all the earth. You shall be strong, therefore, and show yourself a man, and keep the charge of the Lord your God to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes and His commandments and His testimonies. As it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn.” (1 King 2:2-3)

So yes David did know Torah, did know God and left Solomon with the written word of God. You may be mixing up when Hezekiah and the rest of the southern kingdom came back from captivity to rebuild the temple.



It was during Josiah's reign that Hilkiah the high priest found 'the book of the law' during renovations of the temple. According to my resources, this was in 624 B.C.E See 2 Kings chapter 22 and 2 Chronicles chapter 34.

Who has a resource for when 'the book of the law' was forgotten or lost? If we look to the death of Solomon and the division of the kingdom, we are looking at 975 B.C.E., according to my resource.

Then that would confirm that David DID have the Torah in his possession during his reign. My source was saying that the torah was MiA for approximately 550 years, which would place that way before David's reign.
 Quoting: Shamar



I posted this on Page 3, but it bears repeating. In doing this search, you will KNOW that David had the Torah! I mentioned using Bible Software or online Scripture resources, but you can do it the old fashioned way and dust off that Book on the shelf and thumb through it...BE BLESSED!

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For those that have E-Sword or similar bible software or online Scripture resources...

Search the Psalms for these terms:

commandment
commandments
statute
statues
precept
precepts
judgment
judgments
ordinance
ordinances
testimony
testimonies
law
laws
way
ways
truth
walk
light

You will be utterly amazed, in complete awe, at what a man after YHWH's own heart looks and sounds like...may we all strive to be as David.

After reading these verses (or preferably the entire Psalm that contains each one of these verses), how can one say that YHWH nullified his Perfect Truth?

Be Blessed!!!!

Deb

Edited to add more search words and to say this...

Once you have searched the Psalms, now search the rest of the Scriptures for these words.

Peace & Blessings to all who love YHWH's Word and the Testimony of Yahushuah.

Deb
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)
 Quoting: ZTE


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...
 Quoting: GUANO

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree:" Psalms 92:12
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.
 Quoting: Tirzah


Yep... And we must remember that Azazel is just a name or 'title' of a 'spirit' or 'spiritual type/concept' and may not have ever been anything other than that...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.
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Yes, he is the scapegoat for our sin as it's written in Enoch, "To Azazel, ascribe all sin."

Whereas the blood of the lamb is the ransom payment for our sins, the scapegaot is the doing away with sin. It is the consolidation of evil and throwing it away.
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.
 Quoting: Tirzah



yes......many believe that Yeshua fulfilled both these roles, but I do not believe that to be the case. Azazel is ascribed all sin, while Yehoshua paid the price.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.


Yep... And we must remember that Azazel is just a name or 'title' of a 'spirit' or 'spiritual type/concept' and may not have ever been anything other than that...
 Quoting: GUANO

that is an intersting point. so , but do you have anything more concrete to nail his identity down?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.



yes......many believe that Yeshua fulfilled both these roles, but I do not believe that to be the case. Azazel is ascribed all sin, while Yehoshua paid the price.
 Quoting: Shamar


I'm not sure myself... I haven't done an in depth study on that ritual and it's fulfillment as of yet... But I tend to agree with you.
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Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.


Yes, he is the scapegoat for our sin as it's written in Enoch, "To Azazel, ascribe all sin."

Whereas the blood of the lamb is the ransom payment for our sins, the scapegaot is the doing away with sin. It is the consolidation of evil and throwing it away.
 Quoting: ZTE

thank you. You feeling better ZTE?
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g'night all you night owls......
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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g'night all you night owls......
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night night..shamar...I'll be next....

hf
1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.


Yep... And we must remember that Azazel is just a name or 'title' of a 'spirit' or 'spiritual type/concept' and may not have ever been anything other than that...

that is an intersting point. so , but do you have anything more concrete to nail his identity down?
 Quoting: Shamar


well the only thing 'concrete' would be in the Biblical references and as I said, I haven't done an in-depth study on that particular ritual myself. Personally, I wouldn't fully trust the book of Enoch and yet I still consider it very insightful. Also, occult references can't really be trusted as they anthropomorphize everything, yet if you actually read ancient pottery from semetic tribes, Azazel was a very important figure... A goat-daemon which lives in the desert, part of a group of desert-daemons... These daemons dwell in the desert (of your mind)... The void...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.



yes......many believe that Yeshua fulfilled both these roles, but I do not believe that to be the case. Azazel is ascribed all sin, while Yehoshua paid the price.
 Quoting: Shamar

I'm about to leave for work but I want to ask you about Barabbas in the N.T. The prisoner who was released on the Day of Passover while Yehoshua was taken to be crucified.
Did you know that Bar Abbas in Hebrew is Son of the Father.
Can you see the parallel in this and the cermony of the two goats present to the priest on Yom Kippor?
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree:" Psalms 92:12
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g'night all you night owls......



night night..shamar...I'll be next....

hf
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Enjoy your nice warm bed while i'm out working in the brutal cold. lol
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)


Azazel allegedly taught cosmetics as well--assisting in women in seducing the Sons of God...

Wasn't Azazel also the scape goat that was sent into the wilderness on the Day of Yom Kippor while the other goat was slain.



yes......many believe that Yeshua fulfilled both these roles, but I do not believe that to be the case. Azazel is ascribed all sin, while Yehoshua paid the price.

I'm about to leave for work but I want to ask you about Barabbas in the N.T. The prisoner who was released on the Day of Passover while Yehoshua was taken to be crucified.
Did you know that Bar Abbas in Hebrew is Son of the Father.
Can you see the parallel in this and the cermony of the two goats present to the priest on Yom Kippor?
 Quoting: Tirzah



Ah, YES!
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"Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it.

So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.

When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name---when they said of them, "These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land."

But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

Therefore say to the house of Israel, "Thus says the Lord God: I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name's sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.

And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord, says the Lord God, when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.

For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.


Ezek 36: 18-27--- the above was written by Ezekiel around 590 BC......during Israel's captivity in Babylon.



Two additional prophecies re. the future kingdom in Israel:


Ezek37:24: "David My servant shall be king over them....


"and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever." (Ezek 37:25)
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"Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it.

So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.

When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name---when they said of them, "These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land."

But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

Therefore say to the house of Israel, "Thus says the Lord God: I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name's sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.

And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord, says the Lord God, when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.

For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.



Ezek 36: 18-27--- the above was written by Ezekiel around 590 BC......during Israel's captivity in Babylon.



Two additional prophecies re. the future kingdom in Israel:


Ezek37:24: "David My servant shall be king over them....


"and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children's children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever." (Ezek 37:25)
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Thank you for sharing this!

Many are being called out...and in our 'new' hearts we're already home! Our Prince...Our King...Our Beloved Bridegroom draws ever nigh!

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Beautiful thread!

Enjoy a song by Matisyahu about David taken from the Psalms....

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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)
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Fine and dandy, yes, I agree it goes farther back than Solomon... but why the hell did Wise ol'king Solomon get mixed up in that. When I was a kid I really respected Solomon.
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ZTE, Yah Stone Massive, Palm of Deborah, Guano, Tirzah & Shamar... who are you? Are you some king of Kabbalistic group or sumthin? You seem to possess alot of knowledge.
Not to stroke your egos... but you cats seem to know a fair bit and have me intrigued.

Salvation does not depend on knowledge. I thought I would just throw that one out there... you don't have to be a scholar to make it into the kingdom (that's what I'm saying).
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ZTE, Yah Stone Massive, Palm of Deborah, Guano, Tirzah & Shamar... who are you? Are you some king of Kabbalistic group or sumthin? You seem to possess alot of knowledge.
Not to stroke your egos... but you cats seem to know a fair bit and have me intrigued.

Salvation does not depend on knowledge. I thought I would just throw that one out there... you don't have to be a scholar to make it into the kingdom (that's what I'm saying).
Comprendez?
G'night friends.
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There is a group of us that have been crossing paths on here and sharing information with each other for half a year now. This is only half of the "clique". :)
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As I shared, I am interested in David, my knowledge of him, David sinned gravely and much but repented and important ...from the heart. I searched for Catholic commentary on him.

A favorite Catholic writer who writes about Judaism and just
finished a book about St. Paul. Taylor Marshall noticed
two words in a Scripture verse with the help of a Catholic apologist.

From Taylor's blog...Canterbury Tales ~

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Thursday, August 16, 2007
King David Giving Bread and Wine
Posted by Taylor Marshall



Dr. Scott Hahn's Kinship by Covenant highlighted a detail of Scripture that I had often missed. He quotes the passage in 2 Sam 6:12-19 that recounts how David brought the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem with dancing and liturgical pomp.

We remember that David wore an ephod and made sacrifices - rather bold moves for a man who wasn't a Levite. David even "blessed" the people. However, I never noticed one detail in particular until Dr. Hahn placed two words of the passage in bold print: bread and wine!

"he distributed among all the people, the whole multitude of Israel, both men and women, to each a cake of bread and a measure of wine." (2 Sam 6:19)

So David truly is a priest in the order of Melchizedek who "brings out bread and wine" (Gen 14:18). Christ fulfills this priestly role through the Eucharist. Christ is not a Levite but a Judean - the Lion of Judah who bears the mystical royal priesthood of Melchizedek and David. Christ's priesthood surpasses the Levitical priesthood because it is anchored his eternal status as the only begotten Son of God.


from Douay-Rheims
Genesis 14:18 But Melchisedech the king of Salem, bringing forth bread and wine, for he was the priest of the most high God,

and from the KJV

2 Sam 6:19
And hee dealt among all the people, euen among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to euery one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine: so all the people departed euery one to his house.

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faith

yes, and ?


(Heart)

Right there in the verse.

Exactly!!

But where did the knowledge of obedience come from?

Who said anything about obedience?
David followed his own heart.

Aha, there is the key. His heart was to be obedient to the Law of the Most High.

Interestingly enough, he had no books or written knowledge to tell him what this was. It was, as is the (re)newed Covenant.....written on his heart.



Why do you assume David had no books or written knowledge? David had the Torah, he counted it a delight and a light to his feet. Moses was to write down everything he was told we just didn't get the scriptures at Yeshua's day. The judged used Torah for judgements, we can find that the Torah is at least 3300 years old. Hello Shamar this is Mizz, just so you know.


Shalom Mizz! Shamar isn't able to post from work, so she emailed me and asked me to post the following in response to you!
*********************************
Hi Mizz!! Good to see you hear! David could not have had possession of the Torah because in 2 Kings 22, 23 we learn that the Torah had been MIA and found in the ruins of the House of YHVH. I believe it had been missing for about 550 years.


There is no place in those chpts that say the torah had been lost like that and wasn't Josiah Davids son? And didn't David dance behind the ark that contained the commandments? God Himself makes a convenant with David, God says He has been with David wherever he went, David knew Gods Torah. When David dies and leaves Solomon on the throne he tells him this,

“I go the way of all the earth. You shall be strong, therefore, and show yourself a man, and keep the charge of the Lord your God to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes and His commandments and His testimonies. As it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn.” (1 King 2:2-3)

So yes David did know Torah, did know God and left Solomon with the written word of God. You may be mixing up when Hezekiah and the rest of the southern kingdom came back from captivity to rebuild the temple.



It was during Josiah's reign that Hilkiah the high priest found 'the book of the law' during renovations of the temple. According to my resources, this was in 624 B.C.E See 2 Kings chapter 22 and 2 Chronicles chapter 34.

Who has a resource for when 'the book of the law' was forgotten or lost? If we look to the death of Solomon and the division of the kingdom, we are looking at 975 B.C.E., according to my resource.

Then that would confirm that David DID have the Torah in his possession during his reign. My source was saying that the torah was MiA for approximately 550 years, which would place that way before David's reign.



I posted this on Page 3, but it bears repeating. In doing this search, you will KNOW that David had the Torah! I mentioned using Bible Software or online Scripture resources, but you can do it the old fashioned way and dust off that Book on the shelf and thumb through it...BE BLESSED!

**********************************************************

For those that have E-Sword or similar bible software or online Scripture resources...

Search the Psalms for these terms:

commandment
commandments
statute
statues
precept
precepts
judgment
judgments
ordinance
ordinances
testimony
testimonies
law
laws
way
ways
truth
walk
light

You will be utterly amazed, in complete awe, at what a man after YHWH's own heart looks and sounds like...may we all strive to be as David.

After reading these verses (or preferably the entire Psalm that contains each one of these verses), how can one say that YHWH nullified his Perfect Truth?

Be Blessed!!!!

Deb

Edited to add more search words and to say this...

Once you have searched the Psalms, now search the rest of the Scriptures for these words.

Peace & Blessings to all who love YHWH's Word and the Testimony of Yahushuah.

Deb
 Quoting: PalmOfDeborah

I guess that was the point of the thread.....That David had all of this revealed to him, that it was already written on his heart without having the hard copy in his hands.

Perhaps I am mistaken; but it seems that the math shows the Torah to have already been missing at the time of David's reign. I'll take another look at it all.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I read somewhere that the origins of freemasonry go back to Solomon's days....

Did he not also construct some kind of temple in what is today's northeastern Lebanon?



It does, but it goes further back to Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and the philosophy is attributed to the writings of Enoch. However, most freemasons believe that Enoch, Thoth, and a few other figures were the same person and start mixing religious beliefs and philosophies. In reality it goes back to Azazel - who taught mankind metallurgy and building. (It's him who they worship)

Fine and dandy, yes, I agree it goes farther back than Solomon... but why the hell did Wise ol'king Solomon get mixed up in that. When I was a kid I really respected Solomon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 871860

Because he believed he could marry a bunch of wives from other countries and still retain his faith. It didn't work out so well for him though, he fell to the other side a bit too much due to the occultism his wives brought to him and his.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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faith

yes, and ?


(Heart)

Right there in the verse.

Exactly!!

But where did the knowledge of obedience come from?

Who said anything about obedience?
David followed his own heart.

Aha, there is the key. His heart was to be obedient to the Law of the Most High.

Interestingly enough, he had no books or written knowledge to tell him what this was. It was, as is the (re)newed Covenant.....written on his heart.



Why do you assume David had no books or written knowledge? David had the Torah, he counted it a delight and a light to his feet. Moses was to write down everything he was told we just didn't get the scriptures at Yeshua's day. The judged used Torah for judgements, we can find that the Torah is at least 3300 years old. Hello Shamar this is Mizz, just so you know.


Shalom Mizz! Shamar isn't able to post from work, so she emailed me and asked me to post the following in response to you!
*********************************
Hi Mizz!! Good to see you hear! David could not have had possession of the Torah because in 2 Kings 22, 23 we learn that the Torah had been MIA and found in the ruins of the House of YHVH. I believe it had been missing for about 550 years.


There is no place in those chpts that say the torah had been lost like that and wasn't Josiah Davids son? And didn't David dance behind the ark that contained the commandments? God Himself makes a convenant with David, God says He has been with David wherever he went, David knew Gods Torah. When David dies and leaves Solomon on the throne he tells him this,

“I go the way of all the earth. You shall be strong, therefore, and show yourself a man, and keep the charge of the Lord your God to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes and His commandments and His testimonies. As it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn.” (1 King 2:2-3)

So yes David did know Torah, did know God and left Solomon with the written word of God. You may be mixing up when Hezekiah and the rest of the southern kingdom came back from captivity to rebuild the temple.



It was during Josiah's reign that Hilkiah the high priest found 'the book of the law' during renovations of the temple. According to my resources, this was in 624 B.C.E See 2 Kings chapter 22 and 2 Chronicles chapter 34.

Who has a resource for when 'the book of the law' was forgotten or lost? If we look to the death of Solomon and the division of the kingdom, we are looking at 975 B.C.E., according to my resource.

Then that would confirm that David DID have the Torah in his possession during his reign. My source was saying that the torah was MiA for approximately 550 years, which would place that way before David's reign.



I posted this on Page 3, but it bears repeating. In doing this search, you will KNOW that David had the Torah! I mentioned using Bible Software or online Scripture resources, but you can do it the old fashioned way and dust off that Book on the shelf and thumb through it...BE BLESSED!

**********************************************************

For those that have E-Sword or similar bible software or online Scripture resources...

Search the Psalms for these terms:

commandment
commandments
statute
statues
precept
precepts
judgment
judgments
ordinance
ordinances
testimony
testimonies
law
laws
way
ways
truth
walk
light

You will be utterly amazed, in complete awe, at what a man after YHWH's own heart looks and sounds like...may we all strive to be as David.

After reading these verses (or preferably the entire Psalm that contains each one of these verses), how can one say that YHWH nullified his Perfect Truth?

Be Blessed!!!!

Deb

Edited to add more search words and to say this...

Once you have searched the Psalms, now search the rest of the Scriptures for these words.

Peace & Blessings to all who love YHWH's Word and the Testimony of Yahushuah.

Deb

I guess that was the point of the thread.....That David had all of this revealed to him, that it was already written on his heart without having the hard copy in his hands.

Perhaps I am mistaken; but it seems that the math shows the Torah to have already been missing at the time of David's reign. I'll take another look at it all.
 Quoting: Shamar

It occurred to me that if David had the Arc of the Covenant he surely must have had the Torah as well... and also that since the missing torah was found in the house he built, well, he must have had it during his reign.

Pooo, leave it to me to start a thread based on something i have no idea what I am talking about ! Still, my source is pretty reliable so I am going to keep looking at this and see what is the missing piece in my mind and what it is that YHVH is trying to tell me....cause i definitely heard a message when I started this thread.
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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ZTE, Yah Stone Massive, Palm of Deborah, Guano, Tirzah & Shamar... who are you? Are you some king of Kabbalistic group or sumthin? You seem to possess alot of knowledge.
Not to stroke your egos... but you cats seem to know a fair bit and have me intrigued.

Salvation does not depend on knowledge. I thought I would just throw that one out there... you don't have to be a scholar to make it into the kingdom (that's what I'm saying).
Comprendez?
G'night friends.
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Eat,

The Kingdom of YAH is not knowledge. What is simple and humble will enter the narrow pass that leads to salvation. Understanding is the marriage between knowledge and wisdom and their offspring are both humble and benevolent.


If you look at my avatar you will see a representation how we all fit. Some are stronger stones, some are bigger stones but we form a massive structure in YAH's kingdom. These are the spiritual stones which form YAH's assembly with YAHuwshua as the chief cornerstone.

Knowledge will not get one to salvation! For a common trait amongst the learned of this earth is a lack to rescind or humble ones self to achieve betterment for all. This is most evident in "Spiritual Scholars" who seem to be the most hardened and haughty of the bunch.


We must continue to posture ourselves as spiritual babes, ready to learn, ready to be corrected and strive to show the evidence of our spirit by having mercy on the poor, widow and those who have been trampled by the world.


A sister told me a wonderful story the other day. This siter was stranded in a large metropolitan area not having enough gas money to return to her home. She had her two young kids with her. This sister humbled herself and begin to cry and beg for gas money amongst the homeless.


When the homeless saw what was happening, they got together and begin to panhandle for funds collectively. They were able to give the sister $50 to go home.


This is the Kingdom of YAH....


Eat, if you can throw away all of your stored imagery of big churches, shiny preachers, big church theatrics, women in big hats, you will find us. The true believers that are NOT AFRAID to admit who we are (great sinners! for we will not lie to ourselves!). And you will see that the spirit is strong in us. We are just like you....


you will see greater things shortly...

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1Ki 19:4 But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree, and prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, YAHUWAH, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”

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