David, a man after YHVH's own heart

Starting to get crowded back here in the coattail section. I'll scoot over a bit for you Shamar.

I see you using Elohim and the shorthand of tetragrammaton ('yah') in the same phrases, what do these 'names' or titles mean to you and why are you not using the same title in each sentence? Is this conscious or unconscious? Just interested...

Deb, you're reading me wrong here. Yah wanted Christ to stroll into Jerusalem on a donkey. Christ NEVER made fun of his heavenly father.
It is Yah 'poking fun' at us and our hoity toity pompous ceremonial ways by using the donkey. 'Poking fun' is not the right term I'm looking for here... better to say humble, or meek, etc.

Let's get real here... don't you think Christ had a chuckle while he was riding his donkey into Jerusalem? I'm serious here. I think God was having a chuckle too. That's just my take on it.

I do believe God has an amazing sense of humor.
How can you not when you are filled with pure joy and love?

I think I'm reading you right this time too.

In the book of Malachi, YHWH tells the priests that their sacrifices are an abomination to him. This doesn't mean that the sacrifices and his commands are bad, or that he doesn't like them. The reason he said that was because they were sacrificing sick or diseased animals. They weren't bringing their best with all their heart. They were just doing the motions - being "religious" because of traditions.

Also to note, when the priests sacrificed animals from their own herd, they would use the meat to feed widows, homeless, etc... So they were feeding the poor and desolate sick and lame animals, while the priests themselves saved the good meat for them and their families. That was the point of Malachi (first few chapters at least).

I just want to reaffirm that the commands and feasts and the sacrifices aren't offensive or an abomination to YHWH. It is the state of our hearts he refers to when saying those things. Going back to the point of the thread, he is pleased when we do those things with A WHOLE HEART (like David), instead of waving our hands and doing the motions (blind obedience for the sake of traditions). It is the combination of knowledge AND understanding. Doing/obeying what you are supposed to do and knowing why you do it with the love of YHWH in you.

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Shamar responded to me in email with the following regarding David, the Ark, and the Torah.




To which I responded thusly in email...

You are correct, the scrolls were not inside the Ark...my bad. Trying to concentrate on too many things at once. However, there is nothing to show the Scrolls were not beside the Ark.

How do you explain the Psalms that David wrote?

It is true that from 1 Samuel chapter 4 until 2 Samuel chapter 6 that the Ark was in the possession of the Philistines. The question should be "How did the young shepherd boy follow YHWH and become King without Torah". Then again, if his parents did according to the Commandments, they followed the instructions in Deuteronomy 6 and thus taught David according to what they did know.

There is nothing wrong being born in a stable anyways. With all those animals around it would be kept quite warm. So what if there's a smell of cow manure?
Truthfully, I don't really care where he was born. Really, it is inconsequential. However, it sounds like Christ was born in a 'non prestigious' location. The 'other' side of the tracks. It shows meekness and humbleness on God's part.
Also, the fact that Christ was from Nazareth reveals a 'non prestigious' theme.

"Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"

Any object that would remind you of a person, place, thing, idea, or emotional state is an idol or similar cursed/tainted object (or has a high potential to be)... The 'soul tie', also called a 'silver cord' in witchcraft and sorcery is the link between the object and the person, place, thing, idea, or emotional state.

Ceremonial/Ritual magic and sorcery are very closely tied so it's just something to be aware of. It's all about you and what's happening in your spirit so I'm not going to say if an object is cursed or not in regard to you, just lay out the possibilities and leave it between you and The Spirit, He reveals upon inquiry...

Eat, I think he does too. But one thing that he is serious about is his WORD, that is the only link between the seen and unseen. Instructions so that we may live.

I think Yahuwshua would of been almost brought to tears KNOWING the great honor to fulfill YAH's very WORDS riding into Jerusalem.


Listen I too disconnect with people who take themselves too seriously and who try to complicate the uncomplicated. That's why you're drawn to David because his meat and potato heart was a delight unto YAH and not marred by legalism which to me is a poisonous elixir capable of intoxicating its host.

I think you're on the right track, but you have to learn the basic structure first...


and that is the fear of YAH! When you have achieved this first step then your operational range increases and you'll have the wisdom to discern your boundaries laid forth before you.



the fear of YAH is the beginning of wisdom...

Oh I get it thanks....not many people understand the spiritual traps that are laid before men....

thanks for the heads up...

Heh, I was just now thinking about that verse, EAT. Because your humor comment was on my mind. I just view this as a sarcastic comment by the disciple in the same way I would say, "North Birmingham? Nothing good has ever come from North Birmingham!" (except maybe Reuben Studdard).


I don't know if you study the Scriptures or not, but one neat thing you could do if you are interested is reread the Scriptures and try to find the humor of YHWH. I know I'd be interested to see the results and verses of that. I use the ISR version, because I think it's the best translation, but if the translation is "contextually accurate" then it shouldn't matter.

It would make a good thread here at the least.

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Yes, that's it.
Now that you have said this, please expound on Abraham sacrificing Isaac please. God told Abraham to sacrifice his son.

Thank you for clarifying!

Yes, I agree YHWH has a tremendous sense of humor. I have personal examples I could share, and I delight in His humor, joy, and love!

Yes, we can get so caught up in the "letter" and lose sight of the "spirit". David certainly understood this. When he drank from a cup or ate bread, he did so to fill an immediate thirst and hunger, not to assume the role of priest. His heart was in the right place and he had a more complete understanding of YHWH's provision. Sustaining life was more important than ceremony. I do NOT see what he did as "irreverence", but wisdom to humble himself and accept YHWH's provision from whence it came.

In conclusion, we are to study the Scriptures not to learn the most words or verses and get our little "certificate" for memorization, but to know Him and be known by Him. To know His heart, and to have ours transformed to be as His.

Peace & Blessings,
Deb

I think a lot of the faulty views come from the lack of information in Genesis. To get the feel of the story, you need to read it from the book of Jasher.


Jasher 22 (sorry for the long text wall)

42 And Ishmael boasted of himself to Isaac, saying, I was thirteen years old when the Lord spoke to my father to circumcise us, and I did according to the word of the Lord which he spoke to my father, and I gave my soul unto the Lord, and I did not transgress his word which he commanded my father.

# And Isaac answered Ishmael, saying, Why dost thou boast to me about this, about a little bit of thy flesh which thou didst take from thy body, concerning which the Lord commanded thee?

# As the Lord liveth, the God of my father Abraham, if the Lord should say unto my father, Take now thy son Isaac and bring him up an offering before me, I would not refrain but I would joyfully accede to it.

# And the Lord heard the word that Isaac spoke to Ishmael, and it seemed good in the sight of the Lord, and he thought to try Abraham in this matter.

# And the day arrived when the sons of God came and placed themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with the sons of God before the Lord.

# And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? and Satan answered the Lord and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

# And the Lord said to Satan, What is thy word to me concerning all the children of the earth? and Satan answered the Lord and said, I have seen all the children of the earth who serve thee and remember thee when they require anything from thee.

# And when thou givest them the thing which they require from thee, they sit at their ease, and forsake thee and they remember thee no more.

# Hast thou seen Abraham the son of Terah, who at first had no children, and he served thee and erected altars to thee wherever he came, and he brought up offerings upon them, and he proclaimed thy name continually to all the children of the earth.

# And now that his son Isaac is born to him, he has forsaken thee, he has made a great feast for all the inhabitants of the land, and the Lord he has forgotten.

# For amidst all that he has done he brought thee no offering; neither burnt offering nor peace offering, neither ox, lamb nor goat of all that he killed on the day that his son was weaned.

# Even from the time of his son's birth till now, being thirty-seven years, he built no altar before thee, nor brought any offering to thee, for he saw that thou didst give what he requested before thee, and he therefore forsook thee.

# And the Lord said to Satan, Hast thou thus considered my servant Abraham? for there is none like him upon earth, a perfect and an upright man before me, one that feareth God and avoideth evil; as I live, were I to say unto him, Bring up Isaac thy son before me, he would not withhold him from me, much more if I told him to bring up a burnt offering before me from his flock or herds.

# And Satan answered the Lord and said, Speak then now unto Abraham as thou hast said, and thou wilt see whether he will not this day transgress and cast aside thy words.



Jasher 23
50 And when they were going along Isaac said to his father, Behold, I see here the fire and wood, and where then is the lamb that is to be the burnt offering before the Lord?

# And Abraham answered his son Isaac, saying, The Lord has made choice of thee my son, to be a perfect burnt offering instead of the lamb.

# And Isaac said unto his father, I will do all that the Lord spoke to thee with joy and cheerfulness of heart.

# And Abraham again said unto Isaac his son, Is there in thy heart any thought or counsel concerning this, which is not proper? tell me my son, I pray thee, O my son conceal it not from me.

# And Isaac answered his father Abraham and said unto him, O my father, as the Lord liveth and as thy soul liveth, there is nothing in my heart to cause me to deviate either to the right or to the left from the word that he has spoken to thee.

# Neither limb nor muscle has moved or stirred at this, nor is there in my heart any thought or evil counsel concerning this.

# But I am of joyful and cheerful heart in this matter, and I say, Blessed is the Lord who has this day chosen me to be a burnt offering before Him.

# And Abraham greatly rejoiced at the words of Isaac, and they went on and came together to that place that the Lord had spoken of.

# And Abraham approached to build the altar in that place, and Abraham was weeping, and Isaac took stones and mortar until they had finished building the altar.

# And Abraham took the wood and placed it in order upon the altar which he had built.

# And he took his son Isaac and bound him in order to place him upon the wood which was upon the altar, to slay him for a burnt offering before the Lord.

# And Isaac said to his father, Bind me securely and then place me upon the altar lest I should turn and move, and break loose from the force of the knife upon my flesh and thereof profane the burnt offering; and Abraham did so.



I think Isaac actually thought he would be the "sacrifice" promised to Adam at the time. I think he thought he was the Messiah to save humanity, which is why he went along with his Father's will. That's my 2 cents though.

Does not God laugh at the plans of men?
Does it not say that somewhere in either proverbs or psalms?

Book of Jasher?
Are you a Josher?
What other books are you hiding up your sleave?

"Man Plans, God Laughs" is a yiddish oral proverb, but it originates from Psalm 33

"YHWH brings the counsel of the nations to nothing; he frustrates
the plans of the peoples."


I guess you could also say it's from 1 Corinthians 3
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"; and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

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Not very many people at all... You'd think that the ancient world had more open witchcraft, sorcery etc, but in reality this present day is far worse...

I don't hide any books, which is why I quote from Jasher, Enoch, Jubilees, Maccabees, etc...

What other books would you see?

Yes, that's it.

Rosaries have a habit of entering my house..they get thrown in the garbage because of that very reason...

I think God is on a whole other level than human thinking, He's outside of space/time, never changing, etc... But I'm sure Christ has a great sense of humor... He totally owned so many of the religious folk of his day, I wonder if He got a kick of of the pure ownage His Father was shooting out of His mouth haha.

I have not read those books. However I did read Tobit a long time ago and I found it kinda 'occultish'.

Funny that's the only one you read. Tobit is a work of fiction. Tobit and one other apocryphal book are just Hebrew prose thrown in with Scripture to give people a sense of what the times were like during circa Babylonian/Persian captivity. I haven't read Tobit in a long time, but I may add that to my list in the next few weeks.

I am not saying there would be anything 'wrong' with being born in a stable.

My point was that his birth was connected to a Feast just like his death was and as the giving of the Holy Spirit was. The Feasts and Set-Apart days are not arbitrary, but prophetic...and tell the story of Messiah, Yahuwshuwah, the Salvation of YHWH, the Torah made flesh.

And yes, being born in a succah was a humble beginning...no mansion attended by the best midwives and clothed in the best garments.

I have all of the Apocrapha as well but I don't necessarily trust it as inspired work... The book of Enoch MAY be the best of the lot but at the same time it's a book of esoteric visions... I mean... in one of his visions he saw the earth as flat and followed the stars to their 'portals' LOL.... I think Enoch has more info on occult knowledge than anything, is probably has some truth in it but that truth is inconsequential to us... I do like the calendar he came up with... it was very accurate... I believe Enoch may have been written in Babylon when the Jews were starting to develop kabbalah and it's associated 'crafts'...

You got offended when I said "shit filled stable". hee hee . Anyways, sorry for being crude. I'm just a moran looking to ruffle feathers on here at times.

"The custom of looking upon the record of the experiences of the Hebrews as sacred history and upon the transactions of the rest of the world as profane history is responsible for much of the confusion existing in the human mind as to the interpretation of history. And this difficulty arises because there is no secular history of the Jews. After the priests of the Babylonian exile had prepared their new record of God’s supposedly miraculous dealings with the Hebrews, the sacred history of Israel as portrayed in the Old Testament, they carefully and completely destroyed the existing records of Hebrew affairs — such books as “The Doings of the Kings of Israel” and “The Doings of the Kings of Judah,” together with several other more or less accurate records of Hebrew history."

LOL--I bet you LOVE that, seein' that you really have it out for the RC church! Maybe God is trying to tell you something... =P

Books shmooks I say. Books are not the word of God. They are books.

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