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Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal.

 
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Here goes a crazy thought.

The Sun has been found recently to be the highest suspect as the cause of some anomalies observed in radiative decay constant of some elements on Earth.
For example,
[link to news.discovery.com]

The connection has been found with the time of rotation of the Sun around its axis and also with the seasons on Earth, indicating some relation with the proximity between the Earth and the Sun.

The experts in solar physics seem inclined to believe that this connection between the Sun and radioactive elements (and, therefore, *all* elements) on Earth would be related with some radiation coming from the Sun, probably composed of neutrinos or other yet unidentified particle.

My thought is, why not try to explain it in a more direct fashion? To find a common cause for both phenomena, solar activity and radioactive decay? If the presence of a strong EM field can possibly alter the behavior of the Sun and it's obviously connected with the essential aspect of matter, spin, charge, etc. why could this presence not cause essential alteration in matter itself, simultaneously with the alteration in the Sun and planets?

I'm not talking only about plasma physics only, but the essential structure of the Universe as possibly more directly connected with EM forces in all scales.

Elenin is here and it is IMO directly related with the recently strong EQs observed in Chile and Japan and other phenomena, etc. The only possible explanation I see for this causal relation is some sort of strong EM interaction.

If true, an interaction of this magnitude (capable of changing the weather in planets, etc.) could be strong enough to have effects in the interplanetary field itself and, to some extent, "simulate" the arrival of a dense cloud?

In other words, is the presence of Elenin the actual "dense cloud" that we're talking about in this thread. Notice that the Sun has been giving all signs of a preparation for hibernation anytime soon.
(for example:
[link to wattsupwiththat.com]
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Does this make sense?
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maybe a few electric sparks when our blob goes trough the cloud ?

well they must be able to block that by now.
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if they are so smart that we have electricity in house now for money waiting on a crusade then man they sure must be able to stop that for this great idea of a piece of art solar system.
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When you consider the sheer magnitude difference of a comet compared to an interstellar cloud, it's laughable and any effects from a comet are negligible compared to the effects of a cloud. If there are dense areas in the cloud there could be a production of comets and asteroids under the right conditions, even stars in some clouds we know as nebulae.
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Interesting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1188597


I had this thread up before, but it mysteriously vanished from the GLP database and no mod could even explain how or why it happened, but they did apologize. Let's see if this one manages to stay up...
 Quoting: Xenus 


Timeline shift.
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Up to this point we've been in a hollow pocket of interstellar matter, blown away by a supernova explosion. And now our solar system has moved into a different interstellar environment. It's a process that could have been happening for a few thousand years or a few hundred years already. Such cloud passages are the only known cause of magnetic reversals. Would be interesting to find out what the actual effect of increased cosmic rays are on us and the planet.
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Moderately dense space clouds are huge, and the solar system could take as long as 500,000 years to cross one of them. Once in such a cloud, the Earth would be expected to undergo at least one magnetic reversal. During a reversal, electrically charged cosmic rays can enter Earth's atmosphere instead of being deflected by the planet's magnetic field.

Cosmic rays can fly into the atmosphere and break up nitrogen molecules to form nitrogen oxides. Nitrogen oxide catalysts would set off the destruction of as much as 40 percent of the protective ozone in the planet's upper atmosphere across the globe and destruction of about 80 percent of the ozone over the polar regions according to Pavlov.

[link to www.nasa.gov]

NASA themselves state clearly here that "Once in such a cloud, the Earth would be expected to undergo at least one magnetic reversal". At least once.
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is this something similar to Sickscent's Ribbon thread? when are we likely to face the effects?
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I came to find this information before the launch of IBEX and I've shared much of what I found with him, so the information is similar. As far as I'm aware we're already feeling the effects, look at the sun's behaviour for the past cycle. The strange behaviour of the sun is why I originally started to look into all of this. And the only thing that is able to have any effect on the sun on such a scale is something more massive than it and also posses a magnetic field in order to influence the heliosphere at all.
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Local view:
[link to i290.photobucket.com]
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Heliosphere compressing from 100AU to 4AU(current) does not bode well for our 20year transit of the current plasma cloud.
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Nice post from the space-tards!

peace
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Hey, Xenus is back in town. hi


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bump
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I came to find this information before the launch of IBEX and I've shared much of what I found with him, so the information is similar. As far as I'm aware we're already feeling the effects, look at the sun's behaviour for the past cycle. The strange behaviour of the sun is why I originally started to look into all of this. And the only thing that is able to have any effect on the sun on such a scale is something more massive than it and also posses a magnetic field in order to influence the heliosphere at all.
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applause
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so does this long thing say what we are in for, or just speculate that something may happen someday?
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Dopes this mean that my phallus will hang up instead of down? Now I vill have to vear very hign waisted pants.
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''The Solar System during its life has travelled more than 10 times through dense interstellar clouds with particle concentrations of 102-103 and more, compressing the heliosphere to heliopause dimensions smaller than 1 AU and thus bringing the Earth in immediate contact with the interstellar matter''

dun dun dun!!!!!

damned
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is this something similar to Sickscent's Ribbon thread? when are we likely to face the effects?
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we're already feeling the effects

and much worse it'll get

MUCH worse.
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Hey, Xenus is back in town. hi


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Indeed, I couldn't activate my old account so I had to make a new one.
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WTH, I go away and come back and this is pinned again. Thanks <3
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WTH, I go away and come back and this is pinned again. Thanks <3
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thumbs

YW
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OK. so I've read through most this thread and I think I have a good idea of the concept. So if this heliosphere has shrunk to 4AU away, I can use simple mathmatics to figure its location correct? So if 1Au is equivalent to 92,955,807.273 miles all I have to do is multiply by 4. This gives us 371,823,228.948 miles. So this would put it between Mars and Jupiter seeing as jupiter is 480,000,000 miles away. So this is my question. Could this be a plasma burst from jupiter that is being caused from the interstellar cloud and not being protected by the heliosphere? [link to www.youtube.com] Ignore the Elenin BS. If someone could give me there opinion I would appreciate it. Thanks, peace and love
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Don't worry, it's just a Trick of the Light, is all.
I spoke with the One who is holding that big flashlight in the sky.
She said- "Got Photon?", and grinned a devilish grin......
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That's a big fucking problem, if you will excuse the language. From an occult point of view it will make the physical manifestation of certain things almost impossible.

As much as it is essential to counter the magnetic effect, almost physical harmless (in a biological sense), the metaphysical magnetism generated must be obliterated.

I think the world of occult conspiracy enthusiasts should expect exciting and fatal abrupt rituals and more cult activity.

But a bigger problem still is to moi. Why does these things keep happening to me?

It makes me want to curl into a ball and cry...
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nice post, but don`t you think this is still a bit off? I mean, even if we have been going through this cloud for a couple of decades now it will be still centuries before the magnetic field of the sun will shrink to 1 AU.
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Interesting topic to be sure. So, in 2009 the Voyager discovered this "Local Fluff" at the edge of the galaxy.How far out would that be and how could we have been going through it for a couple of decades without noticing the increased Hydrogen and Helium atoms at an elevated temperature of 6000 C?
[link to science.nasa.gov]
Someone should tell Al Gore.........
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5* u rock
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Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal.
nice post, but don`t you think this is still a bit off? I mean, even if we have been going through this cloud for a couple of decades now it will be still centuries before the magnetic field of the sun will shrink to 1 AU.
 Quoting: Kailan Snow


Interesting topic to be sure. So, in 2009 the Voyager discovered this "Local Fluff" at the edge of the galaxy.How far out would that be and how could we have been going through it for a couple of decades without noticing the increased Hydrogen and Helium atoms at an elevated temperature of 6000 C?
[link to science.nasa.gov]
Someone should tell Al Gore.........
 Quoting: CenCal


The thing is, this process could have started 10,000 years (an estimate) or a thousand years ago, it's not something you can pinpoint exactly. It's hard to say when the heliosphere will shrink to within 1 AU because it requires the plasma density to be dense enough to repel the heliosphere. These clouds are not uniform and vary in characteristics in each point. The temperature is negligible because it's not dense enough to interact with solid matter to cause physical damage.

The cloud itself is not a threat in itself, the interactions the cloud will cause between our magnetic field, our climate and our atmosphere is the issue. There's also the possibility that it will decrease the energy we receive from the sun if there is enough dust to block the wavelengths the sun emits.

If hydrogen streams into our atmosphere it would bond with oxygen and create water as outlined in one of the scenarios proposed by Frisch in her paper. We'll lose much of our protective ozone (which would most likely cause a massive increase in lightning in order to produce ozone) and no one really knows how our atmosphere will react, especially with the increase in cosmic rays. I have some ideas but nothing substatial due to the lack of any real information on the subject. (classified DoE research with nuclear testing in Los Alamost and other facilities)

Cosmic ray spallation is a form of naturally occurring nuclear fission and nucleosynthesis. It refers to the formation of elements from the impact of cosmic rays on an object. Cosmic rays are highly energetic charged particles from outside of Earth ranging from protons, alpha particles, and nuclei of many heavier elements. About 1% of cosmic rays also consist of free electrons.

Cosmic rays cause spallation when a ray particle (e.g. a proton) impacts with matter, including other cosmic rays. The result of the collision is the expulsion of large numbers of nucleons (protons and neutrons) from the object hit. This process goes on not only in deep space, but in Earth's upper atmosphere and crustal surface (typically the upper ten meters) due to the ongoing impact of cosmic rays.

Cosmic ray spallation after the Big Bang is thought to be responsible for the abundance in the universe of some light elements such as lithium, beryllium, and boron.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

One only has to look into the past ELE events to see that they all coincide with a massive increase in beryllium isotopes not naturally found on Earth. An increase in cosmic rays will mean an increase in matter production in our atmosphere and who knows what the ramifications of that are.
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Not to mention the magnetic pole reversal(s) that come with such clouds. These clouds are the ONLY thing that causes magnetic pole reversals on Earth, as far as we know nothing else is capable of such a feat. What makes this issue so difficult to explain to people is the fact that it is so complex and these clouds are not visible to our eyes or in the optical range most of the time due to the dust particles which can absorb and reflect EM wavelength frequencies depending on their size.

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