Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. | |
Plasmare (OP) User ID: 1066790 Australia 08/29/2011 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. |
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Plasmare (OP) User ID: 1066790 Australia 08/29/2011 11:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. Up to this point we've been in a hollow pocket of interstellar matter, blown away by a supernova explosion. And now our solar system has moved into a different interstellar environment. It's a process that could have been happening for a few thousand years or a few hundred years already. Such cloud passages are the only known cause of magnetic reversals. Would be interesting to find out what the actual effect of increased cosmic rays are on us and the planet. |
Plasmare (OP) User ID: 1066790 Australia 08/29/2011 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. Moderately dense space clouds are huge, and the solar system could take as long as 500,000 years to cross one of them. Once in such a cloud, the Earth would be expected to undergo at least one magnetic reversal. During a reversal, electrically charged cosmic rays can enter Earth's atmosphere instead of being deflected by the planet's magnetic field. Cosmic rays can fly into the atmosphere and break up nitrogen molecules to form nitrogen oxides. Nitrogen oxide catalysts would set off the destruction of as much as 40 percent of the protective ozone in the planet's upper atmosphere across the globe and destruction of about 80 percent of the ozone over the polar regions according to Pavlov. [link to www.nasa.gov] NASA themselves state clearly here that "Once in such a cloud, the Earth would be expected to undergo at least one magnetic reversal". At least once. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 09/01/2011 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. I came to find this information before the launch of IBEX and I've shared much of what I found with him, so the information is similar. As far as I'm aware we're already feeling the effects, look at the sun's behaviour for the past cycle. The strange behaviour of the sun is why I originally started to look into all of this. And the only thing that is able to have any effect on the sun on such a scale is something more massive than it and also posses a magnetic field in order to influence the heliosphere at all. Quoting: Plasmare |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1525382 United Kingdom 09/01/2011 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. ''The Solar System during its life has travelled more than 10 times through dense interstellar clouds with particle concentrations of 102-103 and more, compressing the heliosphere to heliopause dimensions smaller than 1 AU and thus bringing the Earth in immediate contact with the interstellar matter'' dun dun dun!!!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1516985 United States 09/01/2011 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. OK. so I've read through most this thread and I think I have a good idea of the concept. So if this heliosphere has shrunk to 4AU away, I can use simple mathmatics to figure its location correct? So if 1Au is equivalent to 92,955,807.273 miles all I have to do is multiply by 4. This gives us 371,823,228.948 miles. So this would put it between Mars and Jupiter seeing as jupiter is 480,000,000 miles away. So this is my question. Could this be a plasma burst from jupiter that is being caused from the interstellar cloud and not being protected by the heliosphere? [link to www.youtube.com] Ignore the Elenin BS. If someone could give me there opinion I would appreciate it. Thanks, peace and love |
PSO User ID: 1330004 United States 09/01/2011 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. I spoke with the One who is holding that big flashlight in the sky. She said- "Got Photon?", and grinned a devilish grin...... The Godhead is never an object of it's own knowledge, just as a knife doesn't cut itself, fire doesn't burn itself, light doesn't illumine itself, It's always an endless mystery to Itself.- Alan Watts - Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage.- Lao Tzu |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 718396 Egypt 09/01/2011 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. That's a big fucking problem, if you will excuse the language. From an occult point of view it will make the physical manifestation of certain things almost impossible. As much as it is essential to counter the magnetic effect, almost physical harmless (in a biological sense), the metaphysical magnetism generated must be obliterated. I think the world of occult conspiracy enthusiasts should expect exciting and fatal abrupt rituals and more cult activity. But a bigger problem still is to moi. Why does these things keep happening to me? It makes me want to curl into a ball and cry... |
CenCal User ID: 1525133 United States 09/01/2011 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. nice post, but don`t you think this is still a bit off? I mean, even if we have been going through this cloud for a couple of decades now it will be still centuries before the magnetic field of the sun will shrink to 1 AU. Quoting: Kailan Snow Interesting topic to be sure. So, in 2009 the Voyager discovered this "Local Fluff" at the edge of the galaxy.How far out would that be and how could we have been going through it for a couple of decades without noticing the increased Hydrogen and Helium atoms at an elevated temperature of 6000 C? [link to science.nasa.gov] Someone should tell Al Gore......... |
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Plasmare (OP) User ID: 1066790 Australia 09/01/2011 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. nice post, but don`t you think this is still a bit off? I mean, even if we have been going through this cloud for a couple of decades now it will be still centuries before the magnetic field of the sun will shrink to 1 AU. Quoting: Kailan Snow Interesting topic to be sure. So, in 2009 the Voyager discovered this "Local Fluff" at the edge of the galaxy.How far out would that be and how could we have been going through it for a couple of decades without noticing the increased Hydrogen and Helium atoms at an elevated temperature of 6000 C? [link to science.nasa.gov] Someone should tell Al Gore......... The thing is, this process could have started 10,000 years (an estimate) or a thousand years ago, it's not something you can pinpoint exactly. It's hard to say when the heliosphere will shrink to within 1 AU because it requires the plasma density to be dense enough to repel the heliosphere. These clouds are not uniform and vary in characteristics in each point. The temperature is negligible because it's not dense enough to interact with solid matter to cause physical damage. The cloud itself is not a threat in itself, the interactions the cloud will cause between our magnetic field, our climate and our atmosphere is the issue. There's also the possibility that it will decrease the energy we receive from the sun if there is enough dust to block the wavelengths the sun emits. If hydrogen streams into our atmosphere it would bond with oxygen and create water as outlined in one of the scenarios proposed by Frisch in her paper. We'll lose much of our protective ozone (which would most likely cause a massive increase in lightning in order to produce ozone) and no one really knows how our atmosphere will react, especially with the increase in cosmic rays. I have some ideas but nothing substatial due to the lack of any real information on the subject. (classified DoE research with nuclear testing in Los Alamost and other facilities) Cosmic ray spallation is a form of naturally occurring nuclear fission and nucleosynthesis. It refers to the formation of elements from the impact of cosmic rays on an object. Cosmic rays are highly energetic charged particles from outside of Earth ranging from protons, alpha particles, and nuclei of many heavier elements. About 1% of cosmic rays also consist of free electrons. Cosmic rays cause spallation when a ray particle (e.g. a proton) impacts with matter, including other cosmic rays. The result of the collision is the expulsion of large numbers of nucleons (protons and neutrons) from the object hit. This process goes on not only in deep space, but in Earth's upper atmosphere and crustal surface (typically the upper ten meters) due to the ongoing impact of cosmic rays. Cosmic ray spallation after the Big Bang is thought to be responsible for the abundance in the universe of some light elements such as lithium, beryllium, and boron. [link to en.wikipedia.org] One only has to look into the past ELE events to see that they all coincide with a massive increase in beryllium isotopes not naturally found on Earth. An increase in cosmic rays will mean an increase in matter production in our atmosphere and who knows what the ramifications of that are. |
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Plasmare (OP) User ID: 1066790 Australia 09/01/2011 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. Not to mention the magnetic pole reversal(s) that come with such clouds. These clouds are the ONLY thing that causes magnetic pole reversals on Earth, as far as we know nothing else is capable of such a feat. What makes this issue so difficult to explain to people is the fact that it is so complex and these clouds are not visible to our eyes or in the optical range most of the time due to the dust particles which can absorb and reflect EM wavelength frequencies depending on their size. |
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Plasmare (OP) User ID: 1066790 Australia 09/01/2011 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Dense interstellar space clouds (like the one we're entering) and you, what will happen? Can cause magnetic reversal. Fearing the inevitable is pointless, we will all die eventually. That's a fact no human being will ever escape. The only humans who truly fear this change are those who have the most to lose, those who have everything. On the bright the planet and life will live on however changed. |