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Were there REALLY dinosaurs?

 
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Dinosaurs did not come from earth.
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1.) Louis Leakey was a self-professed Darwinist and dedicated his life to Darwin's theory that man evolved from Africa.

2.) Nothing in the holy scriptures indicating such creatures

3.) The bones at museums are likely plastic



This is what i have been asking for years for real.

I feel man made up this Dinosaur crap.. for entertainment purposes..
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I guess the bones they dig up out of the ground are plastic too?
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1.) Louis Leakey was a self-professed Darwinist and dedicated his life to Darwin's theory that man evolved from Africa.

2.) Nothing in the holy scriptures indicating such creatures

3.) The bones at museums are likely plastic



This is what i have been asking for years for real.

I feel man made up this Dinosaur crap.. for entertainment purposes..
I guess the bones they dig up out of the ground are plastic too?
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I guess the bones they dig up out of the ground must belong to a dinosaur
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1.) Louis Leakey was a self-professed Darwinist and dedicated his life to Darwin's theory that man evolved from Africa.

2.) Nothing in the holy scriptures indicating such creatures

3.) The bones at museums are likely plastic



This is what i have been asking for years for real.

I feel man made up this Dinosaur crap.. for entertainment purposes..
I guess the bones they dig up out of the ground are plastic too?


I guess the bones they dig up out of the ground must belong to a dinosaur
 Quoting: ButchHowdy
If they aren't someone pulled a pretty good trick on us...especially the bones that are rather far down in the ground and embedded in rock.
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There are any things in ancient history that we don't know....the movement of the continents etc. etc. Just because it might have happened pre Genesis doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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I guess the bones they dig up out of the ground must belong to a dinosaur
If they aren't someone pulled a pretty good trick on us...especially the bones that are rather far down in the ground and embedded in rock.
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There's the rub . . . once a bone-like object is found, who has the qualification to identify it?

Dates of these objects all over the board.

Are carbon-14 tests accurate?
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There are any things in ancient history that we don't know....the movement of the continents etc. etc. Just because it might have happened pre Genesis doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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But . . . if our information about dinosaurs was based on lies, tainted evidence, or an anti-creationist agenda, I want no part of it.
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I guess the bones they dig up out of the ground must belong to a dinosaur
If they aren't someone pulled a pretty good trick on us...especially the bones that are rather far down in the ground and embedded in rock.


There's the rub . . . once a bone-like object is found, who has the qualification to identify it?

Dates of these objects all over the board.

Are carbon-14 tests accurate?
 Quoting: ButchHowdy
When you did it out of the ground and it looks like a dinosaur that is pretty conclusive....but...like you said...we do have to wonder how accurate their dating methods are.
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There are any things in ancient history that we don't know....the movement of the continents etc. etc. Just because it might have happened pre Genesis doesn't mean it didn't happen.


But . . . if our information about dinosaurs was based on lies, tainted evidence, or an anti-creationist agenda, I want no part of it.
 Quoting: ButchHowdy
The more I learn about what happened in the past it seems the more I don't know. If you've ever watched the show "Ancient Aliens" that is a good example.
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Re: Were there REALLY dinosaurs?
Those ignorant cavemen writing the Bible knew nothing of animals alive 1 millions years before them.

Give up, once for all.


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Those ignorant cavemen writing the Bible knew nothing of animals alive 1 millions years before them.

Give up, once for all.


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In the days of Christ those people were rather intelligent....mathematics....architecture...metalurgy and on and on. They sure as Hell knew about the giants...Goliath etc.
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There are any things in ancient history that we don't know....the movement of the continents etc. etc. Just because it might have happened pre Genesis doesn't mean it didn't happen.


But . . . if our information about dinosaurs was based on lies, tainted evidence, or an anti-creationist agenda, I want no part of it.
The more I learn about what happened in the past it seems the more I don't know. If you've ever watched the show "Ancient Aliens" that is a good example.
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A lot of shenanigans went on around the turn of the 20th century, and the "Ziomasoluminist" book publishing companies could literally WRITE history.

Even today, millions of people in the mainstream christian church system have been falsely indoctrinated by JUST 1 BOOK - The Scofield Bible Commentary, published by the Oxford University Press.
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I find it funny how somebody can believe a thing like the bible without having a shred of evidence that any of it is real, then go on to question the existence of dinosaurs while the evidence of their existence is simple to see. Talk about an illogical thought process if i ever have seen one! Faith is one thing but you sir are a retard!
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I find it funny how somebody can believe a thing like the bible without having a shred of evidence that any of it is real, then go on to question the existence of dinosaurs while the evidence of their existence is simple to see. Talk about an illogical thought process if i ever have seen one! Faith is one thing but you sir are a retard!
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I find it funny how somebody can believe a thing like the bible without having a shred of evidence that any of it is real, then go on to question the existence of dinosaurs while the evidence of their existence is simple to see. Talk about an illogical thought process if i ever have seen one! Faith is one thing but you sir are a retard!
 Quoting: BillyX


I take it you are an atheist/agnostic?

Now . . . imagine if you were a paleontologist who lived around the 1900's, had a good funding source from an equally atheist/agnostic university or foundation that sponsored a 'dig'

What kind of results might we expect?
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I take it you are an atheist/agnostic?
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Typical Christian Response.

If you don't believe the bible is real, because all evidence is that it is total b.s., then you must be atheist.

Guess what, people use things called brains to figure out it's b.s. Oh, and some 75% of the planet doesn't believe in the bible.
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I take it you are an atheist/agnostic?


Typical Christian Response.

If you don't believe the bible is real, because all evidence is that it is total b.s., then you must be atheist.

Guess what, people use things called brains to figure out it's b.s. Oh, and some 75% of the planet doesn't believe in the bible.
 Quoting: Economic Meltdown


The Bible contains works from 40 separate authors . . . who last I looked share one common belief.

Hells bells if all 40 are wrong!

Who else would condemn scripture as such? Yes, I am a Christian and I actually do find fault with some translations and the inclusion of the Book of Esther but it is the oldest, most reliable manuscript that speaks of origins that I know of.
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I take it you are an atheist/agnostic?


Typical Christian Response.

If you don't believe the bible is real, because all evidence is that it is total b.s., then you must be atheist.

Guess what, people use things called brains to figure out it's b.s. Oh, and some 75% of the planet doesn't believe in the bible.


The Bible contains works from 40 separate authors . . . who last I looked share one common belief.

Hells bells if all 40 are wrong!

Who else would condemn scripture as such? Yes, I am a Christian and I actually do find fault with some translations and the inclusion of the Book of Esther but it is the oldest, most reliable manuscript that speaks of origins that I know of.
 Quoting: ButchHowdy


You can use that same illogical reasoning with any sort of religious text or writings from a cult. The number of authors and how long ago it was written has no correlation to the truth of said writing. Clearly your illogical reasoning ties in with your fear that your faith is wrong & when met with evidence you start to grasp at straws & start the rantings of a mad man. Has it ever occurred to you that organized religion was invented as a tool of controlling the masses & to strike fear into people?
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You can use that same illogical reasoning with any sort of religious text or writings from a cult. The number of authors and how long ago it was written has no correlation to the truth of said writing. Clearly your illogical reasoning ties in with your fear that your faith is wrong & when met with evidence you start to grasp at straws & start the rantings of a mad man. Has it ever occurred to you that organized religion was invented as a tool of controlling the masses & to strike fear into people?
 Quoting: BillyX


Yes!

And I believe that the religion of Evolution was invented as an alternative to creation.

As to organized religions or churchianity, this is what Jesus came to abolish.

But it seems man always needs a crutch.

Religion aside, if there were Jurassic creatures as reported, I would think excavators would be encountering their bones daily.

When was the last 'discovery' you heard about?
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Now . . . imagine if you were a paleontologist who lived around the 1900's, had a good funding source from an equally atheist/agnostic university or foundation that sponsored a 'dig'

What kind of results might we expect?
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If said paleo was a true scientist then he would be unconcerned as progress in either direction is still progress and most scientist I know are only interested in the truth.

Having said that, if his findings were not in line with his financiers his findings might go unpublished or even destroyed.

In point of fact; in the early years of Egyptology all British backed digs were funded by people who only wanted to prove the bible story. Findings that didn't support the bible stories were destroyed or hidden. The good news is most archeologists kept private journals some are still 'missing' but we have a few.
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You can use that same illogical reasoning with any sort of religious text or writings from a cult. The number of authors and how long ago it was written has no correlation to the truth of said writing. Clearly your illogical reasoning ties in with your fear that your faith is wrong & when met with evidence you start to grasp at straws & start the rantings of a mad man. Has it ever occurred to you that organized religion was invented as a tool of controlling the masses & to strike fear into people?


Yes!

And I believe that the religion of Evolution was invented as an alternative to creation.

As to organized religions or churchianity, this is what Jesus came to abolish.

But it seems man always needs a crutch.

Religion aside, if there were Jurassic creatures as reported, I would think excavators would be encountering their bones daily.

When was the last 'discovery' you heard about?
 Quoting: ButchHowdy


Ignorance is bliss, a quick google search would show you many news articles about new discoveries etc. A quick glance at nature shows signs of an evolutionary process, how about looking at a theory like survival of the fittest, the animals with the best genetic make up prosper and continue breeding passing down certain genes etc while the weaker die not being able to reproduce. Sure such a thing is hard to observe when you look at modern day humans as so many people are stuck on this moral high ground that life is some sort of sacred gift, one look at the animal kingdom shows a different story.

Also comparing something like evolution which has a scientific background to a faith that lacks any sort of scientific proof is moronic. Its like somebody finding The Lord of the Rings book after a nuclear fallout and trying to claim that because this one book talks of goblins & elves it must be real!

What makes you so sure that your chosen faith is the correct one and all the others out there are incorrect? What makes your holy book any more credible than the Quran or Bhagavad Gita or even whatever holy book Scientologists read?
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When was the last 'discovery' you heard about?
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I quite often read about new species of Dinosaur being found. Whats your point?

Lets look at it this was, only a very small % of prehistoric life was fossilized, simply because the conditions needed to be exactly right for that process to take place.

Fossils only occur in sedimentary rock, no others. Once a dinosaur died its flesh was either eaten by other creatures or rotted away. That leaves just bones, assuming the bones were left undisturbed for a long enough period, wind would have blown sand and sediments over top of them, covering the bones, repeat that process over thousands of years the sediments slowly pile up over top of the bones.

Now we introduce pressure, the increasing pressure caused by layer upon layer of sand/sediment the minerals in the bones, calciums and hydroxyapatite, get replaced, one by one, with the minerals in the sand. Due to the great pressure over top, the lower levels of sediment get pressed together to form sedimentary rock, with the bones still in it.

Over the course of millions of years there is No organic material left in the bones, they have been replaced by the minerals in the sand and sediment, under great pressure they become like the layers of sediment above them, solid rock.

So far as I know they do not use Carbon 14 dating on rock.
What is used is radiometric dating, probably something along the lines of Uranium/Lead or Rubidium/Strontium
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Ignorance is bliss, a quick google search would show you many news articles about new discoveries etc. A quick glance at nature shows signs of an evolutionary process, how about looking at a theory like survival of the fittest, the animals with the best genetic make up prosper and continue breeding passing down certain genes etc while the weaker die not being able to reproduce. Sure such a thing is hard to observe when you look at modern day humans as so many people are stuck on this moral high ground that life is some sort of sacred gift, one look at the animal kingdom shows a different story.

Also comparing something like evolution which has a scientific background to a faith that lacks any sort of scientific proof is moronic. Its like somebody finding The Lord of the Rings book after a nuclear fallout and trying to claim that because this one book talks of goblins & elves it must be real!

What makes you so sure that your chosen faith is the correct one and all the others out there are incorrect? What makes your holy book any more credible than the Quran or Bhagavad Gita or even whatever holy book Scientologists read?
 Quoting: BillyX


Lets be honest here . . . BOTH Evolution and Creation require faith.

Once Jesus Christ is shown to an individual in the proper light something supernatural happens - it happened to me.

The life, death, and resurrection of Jesus can be confirmed by the martyrdom of His contemporaries. No one is going to die for a lie. . .
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No one is going to die for a lie. . .
 Quoting: ButchHowdy

People die because of Lies all the time, but hey thats just religion for you.
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When was the last 'discovery' you heard about?

I quite often read about new species of Dinosaur being found. Whats your point?

Lets look at it this was, only a very small % of prehistoric life was fossilized, simply because the conditions needed to be exactly right for that process to take place.

Fossils only occur in sedimentary rock, no others. Once a dinosaur died its flesh was either eaten by other creatures or rotted away. That leaves just bones, assuming the bones were left undisturbed for a long enough period, wind would have blown sand and sediments over top of them, covering the bones, repeat that process over thousands of years the sediments slowly pile up over top of the bones.

Now we introduce pressure, the increasing pressure caused by layer upon layer of sand/sediment the minerals in the bones, calciums and hydroxyapatite, get replaced, one by one, with the minerals in the sand. Due to the great pressure over top, the lower levels of sediment get pressed together to form sedimentary rock, with the bones still in it.

Over the course of millions of years there is No organic material left in the bones, they have been replaced by the minerals in the sand and sediment, under great pressure they become like the layers of sediment above them, solid rock.

So far as I know they do not use Carbon 14 dating on rock.
What is used is radiometric dating, probably something along the lines of Uranium/Lead or Rubidium/Strontium
 Quoting: VestanPance


In conclusion . . . can we then agree that assembling a Brontosaurus looking creature from a bone or more required lots of imagination?

My point and my concern is the indoctrination of young children with these colorful and pictorial creatures that likely did not exist.

If it was for fantasy's sake, that's one thing but it is not about fantasy . . . it is about steering people from the Adam and Eve account, which yes, requires an equal amount of faith . . . but at least I admit it!
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When was the last 'discovery' you heard about?

I quite often read about new species of Dinosaur being found. Whats your point?

Lets look at it this was, only a very small % of prehistoric life was fossilized, simply because the conditions needed to be exactly right for that process to take place.

Fossils only occur in sedimentary rock, no others. Once a dinosaur died its flesh was either eaten by other creatures or rotted away. That leaves just bones, assuming the bones were left undisturbed for a long enough period, wind would have blown sand and sediments over top of them, covering the bones, repeat that process over thousands of years the sediments slowly pile up over top of the bones.

Now we introduce pressure, the increasing pressure caused by layer upon layer of sand/sediment the minerals in the bones, calciums and hydroxyapatite, get replaced, one by one, with the minerals in the sand. Due to the great pressure over top, the lower levels of sediment get pressed together to form sedimentary rock, with the bones still in it.

Over the course of millions of years there is No organic material left in the bones, they have been replaced by the minerals in the sand and sediment, under great pressure they become like the layers of sediment above them, solid rock.

So far as I know they do not use Carbon 14 dating on rock.
What is used is radiometric dating, probably something along the lines of Uranium/Lead or Rubidium/Strontium
 Quoting: VestanPance
I'm a geologist and you're right. One additional note...sometimes creatures have been found frozen in the ice....mastodons etc. Just happened in Russia recently I think.
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Please, please, please tell me, you fuckers claiming not to believe in dinosaurs because the bible doesn't mention them, are kidding. You can not be that brainwashed and stupid.

The bible is just a nice story. Dinosaurs were real. The world is very, very old. Get over it.
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Vacation to South Dakota. Go to School of Mines and Technology, ask to volunteer for dig. Spend entire summer in Badlands. Question answered.


That stuff was put here by god to test our faith.
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Where in the Bible does it say God will engage in deceptive behaviors to see if we believe he exists? If it does, time to come out of her and move forward in your spiritual sojourn.
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Vacation to South Dakota. Go to School of Mines and Technology, ask to volunteer for dig. Spend entire summer in Badlands. Question answered.


That stuff was put here by god to test our faith.

Where in the Bible does it say God will engage in deceptive behaviors to see if we believe he exists? If it does, time to come out of her and move forward in your spiritual sojourn.
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Abram was about to sacrifice his son Isaac until God intervened.
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When was the last 'discovery' you heard about?

I quite often read about new species of Dinosaur being found. Whats your point?

Lets look at it this was, only a very small % of prehistoric life was fossilized, simply because the conditions needed to be exactly right for that process to take place.

Fossils only occur in sedimentary rock, no others. Once a dinosaur died its flesh was either eaten by other creatures or rotted away. That leaves just bones, assuming the bones were left undisturbed for a long enough period, wind would have blown sand and sediments over top of them, covering the bones, repeat that process over thousands of years the sediments slowly pile up over top of the bones.

Now we introduce pressure, the increasing pressure caused by layer upon layer of sand/sediment the minerals in the bones, calciums and hydroxyapatite, get replaced, one by one, with the minerals in the sand. Due to the great pressure over top, the lower levels of sediment get pressed together to form sedimentary rock, with the bones still in it.

Over the course of millions of years there is No organic material left in the bones, they have been replaced by the minerals in the sand and sediment, under great pressure they become like the layers of sediment above them, solid rock.

So far as I know they do not use Carbon 14 dating on rock.
What is used is radiometric dating, probably something along the lines of Uranium/Lead or Rubidium/Strontium


In conclusion . . . can we then agree that assembling a Brontosaurus looking creature from a bone or more required lots of imagination?

My point and my concern is the indoctrination of young children with these colorful and pictorial creatures that likely did not exist.

If it was for fantasy's sake, that's one thing but it is not about fantasy . . . it is about steering people from the Adam and Eve account, which yes, requires an equal amount of faith . . . but at least I admit it!
 Quoting: ButchHowdy

No there is no imagination required since we have found Whole dinosaur structures, so there is no imagination required, just lots of patience and careful precision removal of bone fragments,

As a poster above has stated that whole dinosaurs have been found frozen in ice, no imagination needed there either.

The only imagination you might be talking about are those of artists who do pictures for books...even then they have some references to go on and any picture they might draw of a dinosaur will be pretty close to what they actually looked like up close and personal.
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