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Where Piss Poor Came From

 
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Where did the term Piss Poor come from?

Interesting History

Way back when, people used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot & then once a day it was taken & Sold to the tannery.......if you had to do this to survive you were “Piss Poor”.

But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn't even afford to buy a pot.....they "didn't have a pot to piss in" & were the lowest of the low

The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be. Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June. However, since they were starting to smell Brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting Married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the Bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof...Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "Dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their
footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.

(Getting quite an education, aren't you?)

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire.. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence
the rhyme: Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old. Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When
visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and chew the fat.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the upper crust.

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen
table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a wake.

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the
coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone
could be, saved by the bell or was considered a dead ringer.
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5a I wish I had a pot to piss in....




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You must really be dirt poor if you don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.
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from a time traveling glp moran
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from a time traveling glp moran
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1136239

With no brians. This is retorded.
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Cool post! Thanks OP.
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That is some funny bullshit right there. I do like the first one though. A lot of people don't know the value of running water.
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Cool post! Thanks OP.
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No prob!
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Very interesting!
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In gay Paris, they used to piss and shit into a chamber pot, which was dumped out into the streets down below. Imagine having to look up in fear of getting piss and shit dumped on you! and the stench.....phew.
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Thanks, OP! I love to learn the backgrounds of the words and phrases which have crept into our language which we often use on a daily basis. You have provided quite an education today! bump and 5 stars. Hope some other posters contribute some more interesting stuff!
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In gay Paris, they used to piss and shit into a chamber pot, which was dumped out into the streets down below. Imagine having to look up in fear of getting piss and shit dumped on you! and the stench.....phew.
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Hence the reason for the wide and seemingly excessive hat brims of old.
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Like the other stories in the message, it’s rubbish, of course. For a start, the expression is about four centuries less old than the tale suggests.

The first reference in the Oxford English Dictionary is in a book by J Brunlees Patterson published in 1885, Life in the Ranks of the British Army in India. He suggested it was a term for the kind of generalised grumbling, the bending of the ears of junior officers as a way of staving off boredom, that’s an immemorial part of army life. It also appears in the famous 1891 British compilation Slang and Its Analogues by John Farmer and William Henley; it is likewise said to be of military origin and mean grumbling. The next examples we have are from the US, dating from the early part of the twentieth century. It became more common over the next decade on both sides of the Atlantic and weakened until it just meant idle chat.

Mr Patterson also records the phrase chew the rag, which at one point he uses in the same sentence as chew the fat and which he obviously considered to be synonymous. This is a little older — an example is recorded in the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang from about 1875: “Gents, I could chew the rag hours on end, just spilling out the words and never know no more than a billy-goat what I’d been saying”. The OED has an example of 1891 taken from James Dixon’s Dictionary of Idiomatic English Phrases, which was published in Shanghai; the author glosses it as “to be sullen and abusive. A phrase common in the army”. Chew the rag is much more widely recorded from the US from about 1895 onwards than is chew the fat and becomes commonly known both there and in the UK in the decades that followed.

The 1875 US example of chew the rag sounds like the modern meaning but the slightly later British ones are in the military sense of grumbling. This may indicate independent creation. The dating and geographical distribution of citations leave us with some unanswered questions, too. However, it looks from the evidence as though chew the fat is a modification of chew the rag. If it is, then the origin is probably in the US.

But we don’t need to invoke any literal interpretations, either of chewing rags or fat. It’s enough to compare the steady chomping of the jaws in chewing with the mouth movements of conversation to see where the figurative sense came from. The image of a person biting down on something so uncongenial and unrewarding as a rag, like an angry dog worrying a bit of cloth, is enough to evoke the original sense of grumbling and discontent in chew the rag. Chewing a piece of fat would also require a lot of heavy jaw work and may have suggested a similar image.
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Skeletons in the Closet

It was once practice for doctors to illegally possess a human skeleton for teaching purposes. These skeletons were stored in a closet or cleverly hid in the walls of the doctor’s house. The skeletons usually were the remains of an unwanted infant.

Cold Enough to Freeze the Balls off a Brass Monkey

Sailing ships once had metal triangles called monkeys that would store iron cannon-balls. When it became cold enough, the metal would contract, thus permitting the balls to fall of them.

Hold a Candle To

Apprentices were often required to hold the candle while more experienced workers would work into the night. If an apprentice couldn’t even hold the candle steadily for those long stretches of time, they were considered lowly.

Giving Someone a Cold Shoulder

If someone ever had in-laws stay too long, they may learn something from this saying! When houseguests back in the day overstayed their welcome, they were given the worst part of the animal to eat. And, the meat was not warmed, it was cold. (The shoulder of the animal was usually considered the worst part of the animal).



Read more at Suite101: 10 Surprisingly Bizarre Origins of Common Sayings [link to www.suite101.com]
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In gay Paris, they used to piss and shit into a chamber pot, which was dumped out into the streets down below. Imagine having to look up in fear of getting piss and shit dumped on you! and the stench.....phew.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1184028



if i remember correctly they would yell out 'guardezlou' (sp?)

gardez l'eau (or maybe: Gare de l'eau!) loosely translated as "watch out for the water!") which was used in medieval times when chamber pots were emptied from a window
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What about the Aminita users in Russia in the 1800's ?

While the rich would party away and drink Aminita tea ( before vodka was common ) the poor would wait outside their doors for the piss, which the rich would hand over( the body processes very little , same for Psilocybin ) the poor would drink it and trip too.



Got piss ?
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Great read OP do you have anymore?
bump
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yikes!! How uncivil we were..
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In gay Paris, they used to piss and shit into a chamber pot, which was dumped out into the streets down below. Imagine having to look up in fear of getting piss and shit dumped on you! and the stench.....phew.



if i remember correctly they would yell out 'guardezlou' (sp?)

gardez l'eau (or maybe: Gare de l'eau!) loosely translated as "watch out for the water!") which was used in medieval times when chamber pots were emptied from a window
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guardez-lou means keep toilet, or toilet keep
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guardez-lou means keep toilet, or toilet keep
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:teacup:
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Thanks, OP! I love to learn the backgrounds of the words and phrases which have crept into our language which we often use on a daily basis. You have provided quite an education today! bump and 5 stars. Hope some other posters contribute some more interesting stuff!
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I love to read stuff like this
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Thanks, OP! I love to learn the backgrounds of the words and phrases which have crept into our language which we often use on a daily basis. You have provided quite an education today! bump and 5 stars. Hope some other posters contribute some more interesting stuff!
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No problem! Felt like getting away from all the doom for a little bit
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Like the other stories in the message, it’s rubbish, of course. For a start, the expression is about four centuries less old than the tale suggests.

The first reference in the Oxford English Dictionary is in a book by J Brunlees Patterson published in 1885, Life in the Ranks of the British Army in India. He suggested it was a term for the kind of generalised grumbling, the bending of the ears of junior officers as a way of staving off boredom, that’s an immemorial part of army life. It also appears in the famous 1891 British compilation Slang and Its Analogues by John Farmer and William Henley; it is likewise said to be of military origin and mean grumbling. The next examples we have are from the US, dating from the early part of the twentieth century. It became more common over the next decade on both sides of the Atlantic and weakened until it just meant idle chat.

Mr Patterson also records the phrase chew the rag, which at one point he uses in the same sentence as chew the fat and which he obviously considered to be synonymous. This is a little older — an example is recorded in the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang from about 1875: “Gents, I could chew the rag hours on end, just spilling out the words and never know no more than a billy-goat what I’d been saying”. The OED has an example of 1891 taken from James Dixon’s Dictionary of Idiomatic English Phrases, which was published in Shanghai; the author glosses it as “to be sullen and abusive. A phrase common in the army”. Chew the rag is much more widely recorded from the US from about 1895 onwards than is chew the fat and becomes commonly known both there and in the UK in the decades that followed.

The 1875 US example of chew the rag sounds like the modern meaning but the slightly later British ones are in the military sense of grumbling. This may indicate independent creation. The dating and geographical distribution of citations leave us with some unanswered questions, too. However, it looks from the evidence as though chew the fat is a modification of chew the rag. If it is, then the origin is probably in the US.

But we don’t need to invoke any literal interpretations, either of chewing rags or fat. It’s enough to compare the steady chomping of the jaws in chewing with the mouth movements of conversation to see where the figurative sense came from. The image of a person biting down on something so uncongenial and unrewarding as a rag, like an angry dog worrying a bit of cloth, is enough to evoke the original sense of grumbling and discontent in chew the rag. Chewing a piece of fat would also require a lot of heavy jaw work and may have suggested a similar image.
 Quoting: Pilot_007


You got one for Rain on my parade? :)
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So, where did the term "cum bucket" come from?
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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So, where did the term "cum bucket" come from?
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Elton John ?
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What about the Aminita users in Russia in the 1800's ?

While the rich would party away and drink Aminita tea ( before vodka was common ) the poor would wait outside their doors for the piss, which the rich would hand over( the body processes very little , same for Psilocybin ) the poor would drink it and trip too.



Got piss ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1188606



I have read that this was also the practice in South America. Apparently the shamans/priests were the only ones allowed to drink the "unadulterated" psychedelic preparations, then their urine was collected for "top-down" distribution to the tribe.
Reminds me of that coffee in which the beans are run through the alimentary canal of some South American animal (ferret?) and then the undigested beans are collected from the - er - end product, dried, and ground. Very expensive too. Guess some people just have too much money, unlike the rest of us!
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So, where did the term "cum bucket" come from?
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I think your gay lover coined that endearing term in recognition of your "talents"
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Well, things are better in my life than I suspected after reading this. Thanks. Enlightening.
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The NWO think we have it too good these days. They want 95% of us to live like this again.
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So, where did the term "cum bucket" come from?


I think your gay lover coined that endearing term in recognition of your "talents"
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Sorry, wrong number...I don't have any of those...please try again...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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This is cool....but

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I'm not from Canada, not that there's anything wrong with that.....





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