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~ MOON TILT 90 DEGREES IN 8 HOURS-? ~

 
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My Moon has NEVER tilted...until now...!
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I've been an astrophotographer for 30+ years. You are simply wrong.

Here is where it was explained in a book years ago.


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Correct, it's called a "wet moon" and is mentioned in literature as far back as Shakespeare.
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No, it has NOT...not where we live.
We've seen the moon through the whole winter - we do not have sunlight for 2 months.

It may not be as noticeable, but unless you're standing on the north pole, field rotation will affect all alt-az based views.
By the way: Nothing is for free...always a catch..! ;)

This is ridiculous; show me where it is. The source code is open and available. Where is the conspiracy?
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I don't care about codes, but what people are supposed to belive given "free" programs like this.

Where do the facts come from...? Nasa..? Or..?

Convince me...!?
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No, it has NOT...not where we live.
We've seen the moon through the whole winter - we do not have sunlight for 2 months.

It may not be as noticeable, but unless you're standing on the north pole, field rotation will affect all alt-az based views.
By the way: Nothing is for free...always a catch..! ;)

This is ridiculous; show me where it is. The source code is open and available. Where is the conspiracy?


I don't care about codes, but what people are supposed to belive given "free" programs like this.

Where do the facts come from...? Nasa..? Or..?

Convince me...!?
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[link to books.google.com]
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No, it has NOT...not where we live.
We've seen the moon through the whole winter - we do not have sunlight for 2 months.

It may not be as noticeable, but unless you're standing on the north pole, field rotation will affect all alt-az based views.
By the way: Nothing is for free...always a catch..! ;)

This is ridiculous; show me where it is. The source code is open and available. Where is the conspiracy?


I don't care about codes, but what people are supposed to belive given "free" programs like this.

Where do the facts come from...? Nasa..? Or..?

Convince me...!?
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Look up "wet moon".
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Nice difficult words...
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It's not that difficult, you can learn about it:
"Astrophotography is a specialized type of photography that entails recording images of astronomical objects and large areas of the night sky."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
My Moon has NEVER tilted...until now...!
 Quoting: AC

It has, you just never noticed.
"An equatorial mount doesn't suffer from field rotation, assuming it is properly polar-aligned. This applies to any equatorial mount, including traditional equatorial mounts like the one shown here, and fork mounts on equatorial wedges.

This is because when an equatorial mount tracks an object across the sky, the telescope does not remain horizontal, the tube rotates. Observe this equatorially-mounted telescope closely, and note how the "top" of the tube changes as the scope moves across the sky."
[link to www.themcdonalds.net]
See how an equatorial mount causes its tube to rotate?
[link to www.themcdonalds.net]
Now imagine a picture of the moon attached to the front end of the telescope, a mirror of what you would see in the sky. What would it look like as the telescope moved? It would look like it rotated! What does an equatorially mounted telescope actually see when looking at the moon? A moon that doesn't rotate!
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I don't care about codes, but what people are supposed to belive given "free" programs like this.
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I do. The code is available, you're claiming a conspiracy. Show me, where is it in the code? If you can't do that then you haven't actually proven any conspiracy exists and you prove that you're unable to do so.
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Can we now change the title ?

Replace "moon" with "earth". OK?
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Correct, it's called a "wet moon" and is mentioned in literature as far back as Shakespeare.
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Bullshit. It tilts/it's normal - it has turned (according o my son), it rises much lower than we've ever seen before, etc...quite confusing.

NOT normal - end of discussion...!
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Correct, it's called a "wet moon" and is mentioned in literature as far back as Shakespeare.


Bullshit. It tilts/it's normal - it has turned (according o my son), it rises much lower than we've ever seen before, etc...quite confusing.

NOT normal - end of discussion...!
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Then answer this...will the total lunar eclipse that has been calculated years ago to happen on the morning of December 21st happen as described? Yes or no? If yes, how can that be if what you claim is true?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]



Correct, it's called a "wet moon" and is mentioned in literature as far back as Shakespeare.


Bullshit. It tilts/it's normal - it has turned (according o my son), it rises much lower than we've ever seen before, etc...quite confusing.

NOT normal - end of discussion...!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1179188


Translation:

LEAVE ME ALONE...I WANT THINGS TO BE WEIRD AND UNEXPLAINED!
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I don't care about codes, but what people are supposed to belive given "free" programs like this.

I do. The code is available, you're claiming a conspiracy. Show me, where is it in the code? If you can't do that then you haven't actually proven any conspiracy exists and you prove that you're unable to do so.
[link to bazaar.launchpad.net]
 Quoting: Astronut


I can't prove anything - neither to you or science.
You can't prove anything to me.

I just know something is wrong/different, and whatever you or anyone else say...you can't convince me...I know what I know - let's see what happens...

peace
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I just know something is wrong/different, and whatever you or anyone else say...you can't convince me
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Well, I just KNOW that it's NOT. And you with your NO EVIDENCE will not convince me either.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]



Correct, it's called a "wet moon" and is mentioned in literature as far back as Shakespeare.


Bullshit. It tilts/it's normal - it has turned (according o my son), it rises much lower than we've ever seen before, etc...quite confusing.

NOT normal - end of discussion...!


Then answer this...will the total lunar eclipse that has been calculated years ago to happen on the morning of December 21st happen as described? Yes or no? If yes, how can that be if what you claim is true?
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I don't know - just stating my observations.
I really don't care whow other people judge me and my posts - I know who I am...that's enough for me.
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You can't prove anything to me.
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That's because you're close minded.
I just know something is wrong/different, and whatever you or anyone else say...you can't convince me...I know what I know - let's see what happens...
 Quoting: AC

You refuse to understand field rotation, so of course you think something is wrong, and you will continue to think that until you understand field rotation.
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I just know something is wrong/different, and whatever you or anyone else say...you can't convince me


Well, I just KNOW that it's NOT. And you with your NO EVIDENCE will not convince me either.
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Never mind then - go back to sleep....
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It has, you just never noticed.
"An equatorial mount doesn't suffer from field rotation, assuming it is properly polar-aligned. This applies to any equatorial mount, including traditional equatorial mounts like the one shown here, and fork mounts on equatorial wedges.

This is because when an equatorial mount tracks an object across the sky, the telescope does not remain horizontal, the tube rotates. Observe this equatorially-mounted telescope closely, and note how the "top" of the tube changes as the scope moves across the sky."
[link to www.themcdonalds.net]
See how an equatorial mount causes its tube to rotate?
[link to www.themcdonalds.net]
Now imagine a picture of the moon attached to the front end of the telescope, a mirror of what you would see in the sky. What would it look like as the telescope moved? It would look like it rotated! What does an equatorially mounted telescope actually see when looking at the moon? A moon that doesn't rotate!
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Any response to this?
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You can't prove anything to me.

That's because you're close minded.

I just know something is wrong/different, and whatever you or anyone else say...you can't convince me...I know what I know - let's see what happens...

You refuse to understand field rotation, so of course you think something is wrong, and you will continue to think that until you understand field rotation.
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Field rotation - is that something new...?!

We've never learned about that - because it never seemed nessesary - our moon never changed...!?
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I just know something is wrong/different, and whatever you or anyone else say...you can't convince me


Well, I just KNOW that it's NOT. And you with your NO EVIDENCE will not convince me either.


Never mind then - go back to sleep....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1179188


Fine. Be sure to let us know when you come up with any ACTUAL evidence that anything is out of the ordinary. In the meantime, we'll keep on observing the moon doing exactly what it always has done...along with everything else in the sky. And we'll enjoy the total eclipse of the moon after midnight next Monday evening just as it has been predicted for decades, proving that it is tracking exactly where it should.
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Field rotation - is that something new...?!

We've never learned about that - because it never seemed nessesary - our moon never changed...!?
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I'd love to hear you try to explain how we can observe the celestial sphere from the surface of another rotating sphere and NOT see field rotation.

Please have at it. I'm all ears.
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Field rotation - is that something new...?!
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No, it's a concept as old as astrophotography itself. If you watch the moon (or any other object in the sky) in altitude-azimuth way it will appear to rotate over the course of the night (even a few minutes will show quite obvious amounts of rotation if you're living at lattitudes near the tropics like me), if you watch it from a polar aligned telescope it will not appear to rotate in your field, nor will anything else in the sky.

You can see field rotation even in this hour long time lapse of Jupiter shot from an altitude-azimuth configuration:

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Field rotation - is that something new...?!

We've never learned about that - because it never seemed nessesary - our moon never changed...!?



I'd love to hear you try to explain how we can observe the celestial sphere from the surface of another rotating sphere and NOT see field rotation.

Please have at it. I'm all ears.
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And while you're contemplating that, go outside in a bit and look at the constellation of Orion rising in the east. Note particularly the angle made by the three stars in a line making up his "belt". Then, go back out several hours later and note the constellation high in the southern sky and again note the angle of those same three stars. Then a few hours later, do the same again.

Now, did the line made by those stars keep the same angle to the horizon? If not, why not?
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Ok, I too have been a little freaked out about this. I have NEVER seen a half moon horizontal before. Just for kicks, I searched "wet moon" on google images, and just got a bunch of weird anime stuff. So not discounting your "wet moon being around since Shakespeare", but I'd think there would be at least a few more pictures.

So I did another search for smiling moon, just on a hunch, and every single picture I looked at was no older than winter of 2008. There were a couple older, but they weren't from the earth's perspective. In other words, close ups, camera could have been turned etc.

No smiling moon pics before 2008? Or have I just not done a good enough search.
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Field rotation - is that something new...?!

We've never learned about that - because it never seemed nessesary - our moon never changed...!?



I'd love to hear you try to explain how we can observe the celestial sphere from the surface of another rotating sphere and NOT see field rotation.

Please have at it. I'm all ears.
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I'm not here to teach anyone anything - just telling my experiences...see?!?! whatever
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Field rotation - is that something new...?!

We've never learned about that - because it never seemed nessesary - our moon never changed...!?
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Because you've obviously never observed the sky for more than a few minutes at a time. Anyone who has spent an entire night under the stars fully understands that as the earth rotates, the sky appears to rotate in the opposite direction...along with anything in the sky...including the moon. If the moon were further north so that it was circumpolar, such as several constellations that are around the north celestial pole that never appear to set, you would see the moon make a complete 360 degree rotation in 24 hours just as these circumpolar constellations do.
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Ok, I too have been a little freaked out about this. I have NEVER seen a half moon horizontal before. Just for kicks, I searched "wet moon" on google images, and just got a bunch of weird anime stuff. So not discounting your "wet moon being around since Shakespeare", but I'd think there would be at least a few more pictures.

So I did another search for smiling moon, just on a hunch, and every single picture I looked at was no older than winter of 2008. There were a couple older, but they weren't from the earth's perspective. In other words, close ups, camera could have been turned etc.

No smiling moon pics before 2008? Or have I just not done a good enough search.
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And by the way, does anyone know how to search google images by date? I didn't see the option. I guess because the pics are all linked to websites with the dates, so maybe they didn't want to bother with that.
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Ok, I too have been a little freaked out about this. I have NEVER seen a half moon horizontal before. Just for kicks, I searched "wet moon" on google images, and just got a bunch of weird anime stuff. So not discounting your "wet moon being around since Shakespeare", but I'd think there would be at least a few more pictures.

So I did another search for smiling moon, just on a hunch, and every single picture I looked at was no older than winter of 2008. There were a couple older, but they weren't from the earth's perspective. In other words, close ups, camera could have been turned etc.

No smiling moon pics before 2008? Or have I just not done a good enough search.
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The terms Wet moon and Dry moon originate from Hawaiian mythology, where it was thought that the moon appeared as a bowl which would fill up with rain. The period where this is most common, January 20 - February 18, corresponds with Kaelo the Water Bearer in Hawaiian astrology and makes the moon known as the "Dripping wet moon". As the year passes into summer, the crescent shape shifts, pouring out the water and causing the summer rains. After the "bowl" empties, it dries out and rights itself, creating the "dry moon".

How old is Hawaiian mythology?
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I'm not here to teach anyone anything - just telling my experiences...see?!?! whatever
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That's fine. But your observations are perfectly normal. You are NOT seeing something that is at all unusual. I've been photographing the night sky for over 30 years, spending thousands of nights under it. Us astrophotographers have had to combat field rotation since cameras were invented.
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It's called field rotation, and yes, it's normal and expected. This is why you have to polar mount a telescope to do long exposure photography; viewing objects in an altitude-azimuth way shows field rotation. You can see this in constellations too; Orion looks like he's resting on his right side (our left) as he rises and he looks like he's resting on his left side (our right) as he sets.

Don't you get tired of posting this. chuckle

Why should he get tired of posting hte truth? Do you get tired of posting bullshit?
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Here's a number of pictures of a wet moon crescent (along with a bunch of other junk the search turned up).

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