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FBI contractor admits that there are backdoors in OpenBSD ipsec (cryptography)

 
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Well, it's official. We are screwed and don't think for a second that OpenSSL, OpenSSH, Linux, Windows and friends don't have any back doors.




From: Gregory Perry <[email protected]>
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Hello Theo,

Long time no talk. If you will recall, a while back I was the CTO at
NETSEC and arranged funding and donations for the OpenBSD Crypto
Framework. At that same time I also did some consulting for the FBI,
for their GSA Technical Support Center, which was a cryptologic
reverse engineering project aimed at backdooring and implementing key
escrow mechanisms for smart card and other hardware-based computing
technologies.

My NDA with the FBI has recently expired, and I wanted to make you
aware of the fact that the FBI implemented a number of backdoors and
side channel key leaking mechanisms into the OCF, for the express
purpose of monitoring the site to site VPN encryption system
implemented by EOUSA, the parent organization to the FBI. Jason
Wright and several other developers were responsible for those
backdoors, and you would be well advised to review any and all code
commits by Wright as well as the other developers he worked with
originating from NETSEC.

This is also probably the reason why you lost your DARPA funding, they
more than likely caught wind of the fact that those backdoors were
present and didn't want to create any derivative products based upon
the same.

This is also why several inside FBI folks have been recently
advocating the use of OpenBSD for VPN and firewalling implementations
in virtualized environments, for example Scott Lowe is a well
respected author in virtualization circles who also happens top be on
the FBI payroll, and who has also recently published several tutorials
for the use of OpenBSD VMs in enterprise VMware vSphere deployments.

Merry Christmas...

Gregory Perry
Chief Executive Officer
GoVirtual Education

"VMware Training Products & Services"

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Make no mistake, this means that we are being watched, and that there are no secure communications.

hiding
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Re: FBI contractor admits that there are backdoors in OpenBSD ipsec (cryptography)
1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.
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When they are found. These programmers that have turned to the dark side are highly skilled .... and without conscience.
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Jason......

DARPA......

Merry Christmas......

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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.
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indeed. i personally examined 5 linux distributions this afternoon and found no problems. my mom found a couple flaws in sp3 for xp.
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OP thank you very very much for the info. It is articles like these that bring value to this forum.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.
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True but cryptography mechanisms take years to develop and are inherently obfuscated. I imagine it is feasible to add a back door with enough effort.

It would probably only take an obscure rouge variable strategically placed here and there in the calculations and the whole system could be covertly compromised and no one would be any the wiser.
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Jason......

DARPA......

Merry Christmas......



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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

indeed. i personally examined 5 linux distributions this afternoon and found no problems. my mom found a couple flaws in sp3 for xp.
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So .... who the fuck are you? The real deal or a fedgov shill?
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Well, it's official. We are screwed and don't think for a second that OpenSSL, OpenSSH, Linux, Windows and friends don't have any back doors.




From: Gregory Perry <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: OpenBSD Crypto Framework
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Hello Theo,

Long time no talk. If you will recall, a while back I was the CTO at
NETSEC and arranged funding and donations for the OpenBSD Crypto
Framework. At that same time I also did some consulting for the FBI,
for their GSA Technical Support Center, which was a cryptologic
reverse engineering project aimed at backdooring and implementing key
escrow mechanisms for smart card and other hardware-based computing
technologies.

My NDA with the FBI has recently expired, and I wanted to make you
aware of the fact that the FBI implemented a number of backdoors and
side channel key leaking mechanisms into the OCF, for the express
purpose of monitoring the site to site VPN encryption system
implemented by EOUSA, the parent organization to the FBI. Jason
Wright and several other developers were responsible for those
backdoors, and you would be well advised to review any and all code
commits by Wright as well as the other developers he worked with
originating from NETSEC.

This is also probably the reason why you lost your DARPA funding, they
more than likely caught wind of the fact that those backdoors were
present and didn't want to create any derivative products based upon
the same.

This is also why several inside FBI folks have been recently
advocating the use of OpenBSD for VPN and firewalling implementations
in virtualized environments, for example Scott Lowe is a well
respected author in virtualization circles who also happens top be on
the FBI payroll, and who has also recently published several tutorials
for the use of OpenBSD VMs in enterprise VMware vSphere deployments.

Merry Christmas...

Gregory Perry
Chief Executive Officer
GoVirtual Education

"VMware Training Products & Services"

540-645-6955 x111 (local)
866-354-7369 x111 (toll free)
540-931-9099 (mobile)
877-648-0555 (fax)









Make no mistake, this means that we are being watched, and that there are no secure communications.

hiding
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Where did this come from? Are you Greg?
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This thread or the alleged fixings?

Gregory Perry is a real person.

And I'll bet his turds know more about computers than your entire ....... (edited in your favor).
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.
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Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

indeed. i personally examined 5 linux distributions this afternoon and found no problems. my mom found a couple flaws in sp3 for xp.
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Yeah right. It takes me that long to get the shrink wrap off the package.....
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If they want it, they'll get it with lateral technology. It doesn't matter then what you run. They may not get into you're machine, but they just trap everything coming out, filter it, decrypt it, and save it. Kind of like here lol.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.

Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.
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Read the comments, get a clue

[link to bsd.slashdot.org]
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.

Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.
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Oh I agree. The Spooks would NEVER try anything fishy.
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Theo is probably going apeshit.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.

Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.


Oh I agree. The Spooks would NEVER try anything fishy.
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They can try it but not with the actual OS because everyone would see what they did as it has the source code.
But they can no doubt get you at the network level anyway.
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they just trap everything coming out, filter it, decrypt it, and save it. Kind of like here lol.
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And do what with it?
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Actually not to long ago, the feds were trying to get BSD taken down to stop distro. Strong arming corporations to dump it. I think they got laughed at.
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they just trap everything coming out, filter it, decrypt it, and save it. Kind of like here lol.

And do what with it?
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Run it thru traps for keywords. Lol, I don't BS you, it exist and is used extensibly worldwide. It's my understanding the extra server filter never slows the traffic down. Just creates an extra hop.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.

Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.


Oh I agree. The Spooks would NEVER try anything fishy.

They can try it but not with the actual OS because everyone would see what they did as it has the source code.
But they can no doubt get you at the network level anyway.
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Bingo
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they just trap everything coming out, filter it, decrypt it, and save it. Kind of like here lol.

And do what with it?


Run it thru traps for keywords. Lol, I don't BS you, it exist and is used extensibly worldwide. It's my understanding the extra server filter never slows the traffic down. Just creates an extra hop.
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tard
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.

Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.


Read the comments, get a clue

[link to bsd.slashdot.org]
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Thanks for the link.

A comment from that article:
It isn't necessarily obvious.

Basically, the idea is that bits of the key leak. And how is this accomplished?

For example - if a key bit is 0, you take one code path, if 1, another. Make the two paths different lengths. It may be possible to affect packet timing. Or... A function may end with "x - y" and then return "z". No leak? Not so clear, the carry/borrow may be leaking information to the caller (on x86 style hardware).

Anyway, it probably isn't a "back door", just some means of determining enough key bits to make brute force practical is enough. And this sort of thing can be subtle. It can even be based on the machine code generated for certain sequences by a particular compiler (the "x-y; return z" sequence above, for example).
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This is basically the thing I had in mind when I made my first comment on the feasibility of compromising open source software.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.

Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.


Oh I agree. The Spooks would NEVER try anything fishy.

They can try it but not with the actual OS because everyone would see what they did as it has the source code.
But they can no doubt get you at the network level anyway.


Bingo
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Every major hub is "compromised" by NSA activities.
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they just trap everything coming out, filter it, decrypt it, and save it. Kind of like here lol.

And do what with it?


Run it thru traps for keywords. Lol, I don't BS you, it exist and is used extensibly worldwide. It's my understanding the extra server filter never slows the traffic down. Just creates an extra hop.

tard
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Not even an extra hop. Its all duplicated in real time one copy continues on its way, the other gets analyzed.
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1. With open source software, backdoors are found and fixed.

2. Back doors doesnt necessarily have anything to do with whether or not end user communication is secure or not.

Exactly its open source we have the source code lol ffs how stupid is this.


Oh I agree. The Spooks would NEVER try anything fishy.

They can try it but not with the actual OS because everyone would see what they did as it has the source code.
But they can no doubt get you at the network level anyway.


Bingo


Every major hub is "compromised" by NSA activities.
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Yep it is I know this even the onion router is not secure in this way but, the NSA generally don't care or deal with petty things.
In fact they wont even provide assistance to the FBI in murder investigations for serial killers.
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Lol don't be freaked. Code gets run on almost all the sites. I had a forum buddy show me some nice stuff awhile back, inserts in a OP post (thread starter) and logs every IP/response on the thread. No such thing as anonymity lol.





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