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L.A. dry run shows urban nuke attack 'a survivable event'
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By Steve Sternberg, USA TODAY
The plotters decided to trigger their bomb in Los Angeles during the morning rush, at a metro station a stone's throw from Universal Studios and the set where Steven Spielberg filmed scenes from "War of the Worlds."
This was no ordinary explosive. It was a 10-kiloton nuclear device packing roughly the destructive force of the Hiroshima bomb. A blast of that magnitude could engulf 50,000 to 150,000 people and reduce parts of L.A., Hollywood and Studio City — the historical heart of the movie industry — to radioactive rubble.

VIDEO: How nuclear fallout changes in 48 hours (silent)
Al-Qaeda played no part in planning the July 28 attack. The conspirators were the leaders of a dozen state, local and federal agencies who were taking part in a simulated L.A. County security exercise code-named Operation Golden Phoenix. Their mission: to assure that if a terrorist does detonate a nuke in Los Angeles, first responders will be prepared to wade into the devastation and rescue survivors suffering from traumatic injuries, radiation sickness, shock and flash-blindness.

"This is a survivable event," says Brendan Applegate, of the Naval Postgraduate School Center for Asymmetric Warfare, who helped design and carry out the exercise. "L.A. isn't going to fall into the ocean and be gone forever. It will be a really bad day, but we need everyone to show up to work and save lives."

Operation Golden Phoenix offers a rare public glimpse of the government's behind-the-scenes effort to bolster national preparedness. Few places take the threat more seriously than Los Angeles and post-9/11 New York.

WHITE HOUSE: Nuclear blast victims would have to wait
"We're working with surrounding states and counties on regional plans that address the threat of an IND (improvised nuclear device)," says Kelly McKinney, New York City's Deputy Commissioner for Planning and Preparedness from the Office of Emergency Management.

For many people, nuclear weapons conjure up Cold War bomb shelters, civil defense drills and mutually assured destruction. That threat faded in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, says Irwin Redlener, of Columbia University's National Center for Disaster Preparedness. The new nuclear threat, he says, is a terrorist blowing up an improvised bomb in a U.S. city.

National security adviser John Brennan said in April that nuclear weapons are the "ultimate and most prized goal of terrorist groups." Brennan issued his assessment at President Obama's Nuclear Summit, an effort to rally world leaders to lock down loose nukes and shrink the odds that terrorists can launch what Obama called the "single biggest threat to U.S. security."


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Damn Trinity, RightHaven must love this sight with all the dumb asses who post whole articles......

Good find OP but remember the % posting rule please.
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WTF??? It appears to me that TPTB have it all planned and it's just a matter of time..Very bad news when combined with a few other threads here today.
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so we have this news article

Thread: Hurry go look at the main page of MSNBC.com "Experts Rethink How to Survive Atom Bomb" WOW

Hurry go look at the main page of MSNBC.com "Experts Rethink How to Survive Atom Bomb" WOW


and now this thread


both coasts on the same day?

wtf
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A Nuke detonated on the ground would have less impact than if it was a Airburst. This being during the 40-50's testing, the US realised there is more Energy dispersal through the kinetic release, than there is radiantly. The radiant explosion only lasts a few seconds, whereas the Kinetic wave can radiate outwards (from a detonate altitude of 1000-2000ft) continually for some 3 minutes after the initial detonation, destroying structures many miles away from the radiant destruction zone.
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DUH!!! Most sizes of nukes would be survivable. Unless of course you in the blast zone in whitch case you won't even know what hit you or are in the overpressure zone. It's the fall out patterns that are dagerous. This is why most ballistic missiles carry multiple warheads for target saturation.
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[link to www.carloslabs.com]

This is a neat little thing from carlos labs dot com to show what various yield nukes could do.
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first responders will be prepared to wade into the devastation and rescue survivors suffering from traumatic injuries, radiation sickness, shock and flash-blindness.

Riiiight, and there will be absolutely no looting, anarchy, random shooting, unspeakable violence, rioting, murders, robberies, rapes or anything. The good people of L.A. will sit quietly and sip tea, and help each other out.
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LA getting nuked..........oddly ambivilant about that.
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If you survive the blast and the heat, you can survive the radiation depending on windage, fallout yield and your proximity to the blast radius. Make sure you buy iodine tablets if you want to at least have a chance.
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Sorry about posting the whole article... it's my first post ever. :-)
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Sorry about posting the whole article... it's my first post ever. :-)
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The certainty in these words are what scares me the most.

"L.A. isn't going to fall into the ocean and be gone forever. It will be a really bad day, but we need everyone to show up to work and save lives."
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WTF??? It appears to me that TPTB have it all planned and it's just a matter of time..Very bad news when combined with a few other threads here today.
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yes...seems they are definitely gearing up for something. my antennae went up with those ill conceived drills in asia, it's been nonstop propaganda since.
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Okay, this is getting scary.
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A Nuke detonated on the ground would have less impact than if it was a Airburst. This being during the 40-50's testing, the US realised there is more Energy dispersal through the kinetic release, than there is radiantly. The radiant explosion only lasts a few seconds, whereas the Kinetic wave can radiate outwards (from a detonate altitude of 1000-2000ft) continually for some 3 minutes after the initial detonation, destroying structures many miles away from the radiant destruction zone.
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Still makes the epicenter the grounds for a lot of death and destruction.
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Okay, this is getting scary.
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It will only be scarry when it happens and it seems to be coming closer be wary.........
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Why would they nuke the Valley?

You'd think they would nuke downtown or something like that.
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And this is why MAD was created in the first place and was so effective for all those years. It assured that no one would "survive" to the point that no one ever had to think about how to deal with "just one" atomic bomb..Remember kids! Just duck and cover!..Bunch of blasted retarded monkeys..
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It will also probably be much larger than a 10kt hiroshima-esque bomb. That is chump change compared to any modern bomb
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I like the "911 on steroids" part.

How flowery.
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Why would they nuke the Valley?

You'd think they would nuke downtown or something like that.
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easiest target. Remember the missile launch? Launching the weapon would be much easier than smuggling one into a populated area. Vandenberg is not very far away.
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Its more like terrorist old fear, Atomb bomb new fear.
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"This is a survivable event," says Brendan Applegate, of the Naval Postgraduate School Center for Asymmetric Warfare, who helped design and carry out the exercise. "L.A. isn't going to fall into the ocean and be gone forever. It will be a really bad day, but we need everyone to show up to work and save lives."



Somehow this doesn't make me feel any better.
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Hate to say it, but if a blast takes out any city, the last thing I'd be doing is running into Ground Zero to save lives.
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Yeah, I saw the article on MSNBC yesterday and how it talked about how the gov needs to go about educating the public as to what to do in the case of a nuclear event without actually scaring people was just weird. Why is this shit coming up now? Just a little weird that we are seeing MSM putting this stuff out there right now.
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It'll be a bit like the First Reponders on 9/11. Despite the Pollutants in the air that day FEMA and NYC officials still declared the area safe for people to work in.

After a Nuke goes off, what then. Pretend the Radiation background levels "don't exist" because for somereason the saltwater around the LA Basin counterracts the Radiation Poisoning. And the MSM will probobally brainwash the sheep into buying this, as "this is why nuclear power stations are built around the coast."
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Surviving it may be worse than instantly dying in it.

Radiation poisoning is a terrible way to go not to mention the panic and violence in the streets.

If, however, someone is going to set off a ground nuke around there, how about we try to steer them towards the gang invested neighborhoods. Can you imagine how those guys would react to an attack in the area? Of course, they would go on a rampage and go right into the blast zone to see what they could loot or who they can kill or rape. Then they would die of radiation poisoning.

Terrorists might go for LA, but more likely DC or NY. If they did do LA, we will see how quickly the out-of-town celebs become war-hawks because they really do think the terrorists would never attack them, only the rest of us.

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