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"Oh, what a horrible person I’ve been!" you say from the agony of your soul. "So manipulative! So conniving! How like a cunning animal! How unlike a human being. How unlike my dreams and pretensions of my true nature have I behaved! In thought, word, and deed I have stood against life and goodness itself. It is undeniably evident.


Which doesn't change the fact, that "evil" is necessary, that you've almost an eternity to make the ascension and can turn around anytime. The master who i have all my knowledge from, had actually a pact with Baphomet in one of his previous lives, but turned around after it. I believe something similar goes for Jesus & Bardon.
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The teaching of such an experience is forgiveness :) I have no prob with 'evil', though I try to stay away from it.
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Ceased then He from speaking and sat
in the silence that comes to the Lords.
Then again spake He unto me, saying:
ìO Thoth, long have We sat in Amenti,
guarding the flame of life in the Halls.
Yet know, we are still part of our
Cycles with our Vision reaching unto them and beyond.
Aye, know we that of all,
nothing else matters excepting the growth
we can gain with our Soul.
Know we the flesh is fleeting.
The things men count great are nothing to us.
The things we seek are not of the body
but are only the perfected state of the Soul.
When ye as men can learn that nothing but
progress of Soul can count in the end,
then truly ye are free from all bondage,
free to work in a harmony of Law.


Do you know that freemasonry today is ran by the Rosicrucian?
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Yes, they work together, Im sure.

I wrote this here according to my experience. The Halls of Amenti, yes, Halls of Wisdom....

My EMERALD TABLET

1. This is my Truth to which one cannot doubt
2. What came from above had its origins below, and what is below, came from above . I am the Creation of the One
3. Thru a single desire was birthed all of the work and its keepers.
4. My Father is the Glorious Sun and my Mother was the Moon. The wind carried me inside of her and she nourished me
5. Im the Magi of the work and the perfection of the Mysteries
6. I have been made perfect into the Living Light
7. The Fire created me from earth, They separated the dross and made me refined
8. I then ascended to the Throne in the sky where they perfected my Light,
Then I will redescend with new perfected power that I recieved from above with no shadow
9. I have the power of the whole world and can subjugate anything beneath me that is not refined
10. My Microcosm reflects the Macrocosm and I am the image of my Father
11. The Teachers have taught this path
12. I am exalted with wisdom and Arise with the Light within
13. Consummatum Est with the Glory of the Sun
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did the ancient chinese move to south america ?
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Well I'm not sure what you mean but Americans (natives) came from Asia crossing the then frozen Bering Strait

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did the ancient chinese move to south america ?
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Hi, can anyone do the background of South America? Its not my strength, Although they say Atlantean blood was in a small percentage of Native Americans.

The Asians were more developed and getting around more than is believed, they know now that ship voyages went way back, that people simply didnt just walk past the bering strait but used ships.
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Id wake up terrified as well. lol...



Yep... ;)

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Terror of the Threshold


Suddenly, in the middle of the night or during meditation, you, in your search for truth, have a frightening experience. It’s called the terror of the threshold, and the word terror is apt. Striving to enter into a higher realm of consciousness — striving to enter the portal of greater love, truth, and beauty — you, all at once, in one total impression, find yourself gazing into a horrifying sight. You perceive your evil. There, ever so vividly, your cruel and thoughtless actions stand revealed to your inner sight. You see these ghastly images, while feeling deep pain. Remorse wells up; but in your terror you cannot stop the sight of such selfishness, such foul thinking, such egocentricity. Your emotions seem so base, you feel you’re looking at an animal. Yet, in all the terror, you know, inescapably, you are seeing yourself. That’s the terror of it.

You clearly see yourself, in myriad examples, as an enemy of Light. You have, for your own purposes, limited or denied goodness. You have hurt others. You have, for some personal gain, conspired against good people — or blocked them. You have spoken ill of others. You have tormented people with your insults. With tears you realize you have often been given a choice of light or darkness and you have, sometimes eagerly, sometimes slowly after great pondering, chosen the darkness. Oh, the revulsion of it all! You see your evil in such detail, with so many proofs.

"Oh, what a horrible person I’ve been!" you say from the agony of your soul. "So manipulative! So conniving! How like a cunning animal! How unlike a human being. How unlike my dreams and pretensions of my true nature have I behaved! In thought, word, and deed I have stood against life and goodness itself. It is undeniably evident.


"Oh, I’m terrified," you cry. "A thousand years of remorse will still not relieve my guilt about what I have done to others, to myself, to my Lord. How silly are my pretensions to goodness. How foolish to conceive of myself entering higher consciousness. I tremble in shock, convicted."

Much weeping happens. Your whole body sobs. You have a growing sense of helplessness due to the acknowledgement of your allegiance to evil thoughts, words, and actions. You feel you stink at every level, and oh, how putridly.



WOW, and I havent taught this to my friends cause I was ashamed ! I didnt know it was explained before.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU !

I saw the links you gave me and this one was one of them.

It totally described the animal I saw was me, I was a Asshole . like the worst of the worst, and it explained some residual desires I had, the longing, but then the shock and I did cry alot, I cried so much I thought my crying would kill me, just deep soul wrenching sobs.
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN


Is this 'Terror on the Threshold' one lifetimes worth or an accumalation of your lifetimes on Earth?
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did the ancient chinese move to south america ?



Hi, can anyone do the background of South America? Its not my strength, Although they say Atlantean blood was in a small percentage of Native Americans.

The Asians were more developed and getting around more than is believed, they know now that ship voyages went way back, that people simply didnt just walk past the bering strait but used ships.
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN



It's true they had great ships that supposedly reached America. But I think it was later than the Bering Strait crossing.

Deserves investigating though.
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Is this 'Terror on the Threshold' one lifetimes worth or an accumalation of your lifetimes on Earth?
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I don't know because I don't believe in reincarnation the way you do, but from my knowledge the Terror is absolutely not a forced passage on the path.
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I don't know because I don't believe in reincarnation the way you do, but from my knowledge the Terror is absolutely not a forced passage on the path.
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I meant "mandatory". Translation mix-up.
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To Friend from Belgium, If you saw yourself as Shiva, Are you drawn today to Eastern religions more, or?

I am presently drawn to anything Greek......

Asia has no draw to me yet , Ive had many teachers come by way trying to stir something, other than my Mars MC line running thru Central India, I dont feel it yet.

But I do like this line
AHAM EVA PARAM BRAHMA said the Brahman :))) I Am myself a God.
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To Friend from Belgium, If you saw yourself as Shiva, Are you drawn today to Eastern religions more, or?

I am presently drawn to anything Greek......

Asia has no draw to me yet , Ive had many teachers come by way trying to stir something, other than my Mars MC line running thru Central India, I dont feel it yet.

But I do like this line
AHAM EVA PARAM BRAHMA said the Brahman :))) I Am myself a God.
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Not specially but I did spent 6 month in Asia and 1 month in Chinese Tibet during an exchange student program.

From my roots I'm drawn to Greek, Latin and Catholic cultures. But regarding these matters I'm not exclusive and look for the common roots in all spiritualities.

It is said Greek philosophies and beliefs were influenced by early hinduism (Aryanism and such).

But really, all faiths/beliefs have a piece of the truth, influenced over time by cultural differences and realities.
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I don't know because I don't believe in reincarnation the way you do, but from my knowledge the Terror is absolutely not a forced passage on the path.


I meant "mandatory". Translation mix-up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1198340


How do you understand reincarnation?

Also does Earth go through the 'Terror on the Threshold' before her ascension/raising and if so how would we experience this?

Thankyou :)
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I am presently drawn to anything Greek......

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Greek mythology is fascinating. I read an awesome book by a philosophy teachers explaining very clearly the whole Greek cosmogony and beliefs (Chaos VS Order, Hybris, etc) but unfortunately it is in French
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU !




I'm so glad I can help :) I'm merely sharing what I received.

And also I know it will come as a surprise to some here but during my experiences I've asked help from catholics monks in a monastery close to my living place and they've been of tremendous help. They housed during 3 days while I was delirious and fighting my demons.

They didn't judged me at all, told me I wasn't the first to come see them about that. They only critic they made me is that it was mainly because I chosed to study by myself.

Later it made me read about the teachings of the saints to see how they also had that same knowledge of mysticism.

Not all things in religions are bad :)
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Yes, wow, again, another sync. That was really kind of them to do that for you, 3 days sounds significant as well. I didnt count my days, But 3 days is 72 hours and 72 is a mystical number.

I know that the Catholics have a key for me, Im drawn to them strongly,

I keep seeing the vatican in my visions, And one day I was just waking up and saw this materialized Skeletal Pope in full Garb walk to my bed, I was not afraid, I felt only comfort from this and he reached out with a bony finger and touched my forehead and vanished,

Then I see myself walking thru the Vatican even though Ive never been there, it seems familiar to me.

I see the layout of the Gardens, their Delphin Fountain and the Parrots they say reside in the trees.

I am comforted when I think about it...
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To Friend from Belgium, If you saw yourself as Shiva, Are you drawn today to Eastern religions more, or?

I am presently drawn to anything Greek......

Asia has no draw to me yet , Ive had many teachers come by way trying to stir something, other than my Mars MC line running thru Central India, I dont feel it yet.

But I do like this line
AHAM EVA PARAM BRAHMA said the Brahman :))) I Am myself a God.
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN


Wouldnt Mars MC be where you ascert yourself and shine the brightest? LOL if thats the case youre already doing this as a spiritual teacher which to me would be what India symbolically represents.
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I don't know because I don't believe in reincarnation the way you do, but from my knowledge the Terror is absolutely not a forced passage on the path.


I meant "mandatory". Translation mix-up.


How do you understand reincarnation?

Also does Earth go through the 'Terror on the Threshold' before her ascension/raising and if so how would we experience this?

Thankyou :)
 Quoting: Strawberry


I don't believe that the Earth will face an Ascension as a worldwide event during a short period (like the 2012 theory). That date came out of nowhere a few years ago from new-age writers to recycle what they wrote about Y2K and has been hyped way too much.

I believe this process is gradual and personal, and always existed. If there's a change, it will be on a human race's timescale or even planet's timescale, so people will only see it happened when looking back. But I do see changes around me when I stand still and look closely, like watching a flower blooming :)



About my understanding of reincarnation I don't want to spoil the fun and anyway I can't prove it (I received some form of personal confirmation but it could be wishful thinking).

It's only my opinion ;)
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To Friend from Belgium, If you saw yourself as Shiva, Are you drawn today to Eastern religions more, or?

I am presently drawn to anything Greek......

Asia has no draw to me yet , Ive had many teachers come by way trying to stir something, other than my Mars MC line running thru Central India, I dont feel it yet.

But I do like this line
AHAM EVA PARAM BRAHMA said the Brahman :))) I Am myself a God.


Wouldnt Mars MC be where you ascert yourself and shine the brightest? LOL if thats the case youre already doing this as a spiritual teacher which to me would be what India symbolically represents.
 Quoting: Strawberry



Nice ! well now, I could be the next Shah Jahan of the Taj Mahal. Agra sounds nice, I can clean up the Yamuna as well as the Ganghes and experience Sat chit Ananda. =) truth is bliss...

You are a smart lady to know the Mars AC, there is hope for me yet. tounge

The greatest achievement is selflessness.
The greatest worth is self-mastery.
The greatest quality is seeking to serve others.
The greatest precept is continual awareness.
The greatest medicine is the emptiness of everything.
The greatest action is not conforming with the worlds ways.
The greatest magic is transmuting the passions.
The greatest generosity is non-attachment.
The greatest goodness is a peaceful mind.
The greatest patience is humility.
The greatest effort is not concerned with results.
The greatest meditation is a mind that lets go.
The greatest wisdom is seeing through appearances.

Atisha
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I think the Vatican had it's time. It's an old symbol of an old power. But I can see why it's important because it's part of our history.

I feel closer to local priests or even better communities like monks. But they still obey the authority of the Pope because traditions are very important to them.
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I don't believe that the Earth will face an Ascension as a worldwide event during a short period (like the 2012 theory). That date came out of nowhere a few years ago from new-age writers to recycle what they wrote about Y2K and has been hyped way too much.

I believe this process is gradual and personal, and always existed. If there's a change, it will be on a human race's timescale or even planet's timescale, so people will only see it happened when looking back. But I do see changes around me when I stand still and look closely, like watching a flower blooming :)



About my understanding of reincarnation I don't want to spoil the fun and anyway I can't prove it (I received some form of personal confirmation but it could be wishful thinking).

It's only my opinion ;)
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I dont see the date as anything but a window that has been open for a while and goes beyond 2012. The Mayan calenders werent the only ones to mark this period so that makes it even more interesting.

Yes I agree that the process is gradual afterall if it wasnt I can imagine spontanious combustion would be more heard of lol. Ive always felt it a personal experience and people I speak to have different experiences of the process. I like the way you said looking back because I have noticed that when I go through stuff there doesnt seem to be relevance until afterwards.

I would really love to hear your understanding of reincarnation pretty please :)
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I think the Vatican had it's time. It's an old symbol of an old power. But I can see why it's important because it's part of our history.

I feel closer to local priests or even better communities like monks. But they still obey the authority of the Pope because traditions are very important to them.
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Its ok, My former lives speaking to me, Power and Beauty. lol...

But poor Pope Benedict, everyone teases his appearance, calling him Dark Sith Lord, lol...

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Lady liberty is Isis.

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Revisionst History Channel also said 911 was carried out by 19 arab hijackers using knives and box cutters. Credibility = < 0
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To Friend from Belgium, If you saw yourself as Shiva, Are you drawn today to Eastern religions more, or?

I am presently drawn to anything Greek......

Asia has no draw to me yet , Ive had many teachers come by way trying to stir something, other than my Mars MC line running thru Central India, I dont feel it yet.

But I do like this line
AHAM EVA PARAM BRAHMA said the Brahman :))) I Am myself a God.


Wouldnt Mars MC be where you ascert yourself and shine the brightest? LOL if thats the case youre already doing this as a spiritual teacher which to me would be what India symbolically represents.



Nice ! well now, I could be the next Shah Jahan of the Taj Mahal. Agra sounds nice, I can clean up the Yamuna as well as the Ganghes and experience Sat chit Ananda. =) truth is bliss...

You are a smart lady to know the Mars AC, there is hope for me yet. tounge

The greatest achievement is selflessness.
The greatest worth is self-mastery.
The greatest quality is seeking to serve others.
The greatest precept is continual awareness.
The greatest medicine is the emptiness of everything.
The greatest action is not conforming with the worlds ways.
The greatest magic is transmuting the passions.
The greatest generosity is non-attachment.
The greatest goodness is a peaceful mind.
The greatest patience is humility.
The greatest effort is not concerned with results.
The greatest meditation is a mind that lets go.
The greatest wisdom is seeing through appearances.

Atisha
 Quoting: AL MURREDIN


I would do well to study this lol

The last two really struck a chord hehe
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I would really love to hear your understanding of reincarnation pretty please :)
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Well... I believe (I insist on believe) we are all fragments of the divine consciousness. Like facets of the same diamond. Meaning we are all connected through eternity and only move closer or further from that reality, like angels on Jacob's ladder.

I believe when we die we don't necessarily return straight back to that Divine consciousness but there may be other 'intermediate states' depending on our development and efforts.

So we can choose (or are sent?) to continue to climb the ladder to go back to the Divine and merge with it or choose (or are sent?) to come back on Earth as the same fragment (but I'm not sure about that part that's why I said I'm not sure about reincarnation as classically viewed).

Personally I'm not afraid to lose my identity when dying but I have no clue what will happen or how it works.

It's a bit hard to explain but I just feel it's something along those lines but don't why.
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Its ok, My former lives speaking to me, Power and Beauty. lol...

But poor Pope Benedict, everyone teases his appearance, calling him Dark Sith Lord, lol...

pope2
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True, the Vatican is beautiful!

And true bout poor Benedict. I'm sure he means good but it ain't easy to be modern when you're a pope and more than 80 lol :)
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Gee I have to leave you. It's 2 in the morning here and I didn't even see the time fly so quickly.


It was nice chatting with such fine and respectful people hf

See you!
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The French masons sent the statue to clebrate the success of the US Civil War when Washington DC took over the states.

Karl Marx wrote great deal about the civil war. All illuminati.


Didn't they just say that the statue was originally supposed to go to Egypt?
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TXGal, I like you and all, but if you're going to really strive for God's truth, you have to realize, whether other Christians can judge you or not, there is still God's desires. You can still be wrong. If other Christians are calling you on any nonsense you put out, there is nothing wrong with that, either. They just can't turn you away or stop caring because of the will of God. Just because somebody forgives you doesn't mean you aren't doing anything wrong. Otherwise it wouldn't be forgiveness. Forgiveness means that you are doing something wrong, and you're supposed to reflect on that in your relationship in Christ. Are you putting God first, in everything you do?
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it quoted wrong post, this is what i was replying to:

TX Gal, you are very beautiful & seem to be a God fearing christian, but why are you naked in your avatar?


TRUE Christians do NOT act like this. They are modest. This girl is constantly asking for attention.


Wow, you people are very JUDGMENTAL. Christians are not supposed to be this way either.

Stop hijacking the OP's thread.
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I would really love to hear your understanding of reincarnation pretty please :)


Well... I believe (I insist on believe) we are all fragments of the divine consciousness. Like facets of the same diamond. Meaning we are all connected through eternity and only move closer or further from that reality, like angels on Jacob's ladder.

I believe when we die we don't necessarily return straight back to that Divine consciousness but there may be other 'intermediate states' depending on our development and efforts.

So we can choose (or are sent?) to continue to climb the ladder to go back to the Divine and merge with it or choose (or are sent?) to come back on Earth as the same fragment (but I'm not sure about that part that's why I said I'm not sure about reincarnation as classically viewed).

Personally I'm not afraid to lose my identity when dying but I have no clue what will happen or how it works.

It's a bit hard to explain but I just feel it's something along those lines but don't why.
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You have a lovely way of putting it and I could see it as I was reading it.

I had the weirdest experience once.

I experienced a lifetime with someone I know where we both shared the same body. We are both women and when I first met her it took me a long time to work through a feeling of anxiety that I would get in her presence.

For years I always wondered about this feeling and then I was meditating where I left my body and became a man. I was French and I even knew my name and the date I was living in. Even stranger was this split consciousness experience with my friend.

Made me realise after then why I used to feel the anxiety feeling around her. Im not an anxious person and off the top of my head havent felt that feeling before or since.

Anyway I get on with this lady/my friend just fine and she certainly is an aquired taste but I now love her to bits lol

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Gee I have to leave you. It's 2 in the morning here and I didn't even see the time fly so quickly.


It was nice chatting with such fine and respectful people hf

See you!
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You too and sweet dreams
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