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I HAVE A QUESTION I'VE BEEN AFRAID TO ASK!

 
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I HAVE A QUESTION I'VE BEEN AFRAID TO ASK!
[Others may have answered this question but please feel free to share your opinions on the following matter despite what other people have posted so far]

Please use this thread to ask questions that you have been afraid to ask, maybe you'll get the answers you want here?

Here is my original question for this thread:

I've been kind of afraid to ask this question on here. I've seen some threads popping up about Israel, or some by Israelis, and just once in a while a whole bunch of talk about Israel starts.

I've been afraid to ask this question because I've been worried about what people might think of me for asking.

I wanted to ask in those threads, but I was too concerned about people's opinions because I thought they might get nasty about it.

Some of you may have noticed in some of my posts I like to question things and I seem to believe that it is difficult if not impossible to know we know anything for certain.

So I wanted to ask this radical question. Please don't attack me for asking it, and please try to understand the idea behind it. (It may be a few questions actually)

What is the difference between a Jewish person and everyone else?

Please don't answer right away, let me ask in some other ways to make it more clear what I'm asking:

How are we not all Jews?

If some of us are Jews, and some of us are not Jews, what differentiates Jews from everyone else?

Can the people who are currently not Jews, be Jews?

Can the "Palestinians", the "Arabs", and any other people, be Jews too?

Was Adam a Jew?

What is a Jew?

The idea behind these questions is that people both for and against Israel and Jews seem to make them distinct from every other group of people on the planet. But what really makes them distinct from other people, if anything at all?

What if everyone was a Jew?

What if every single person on the Earth, despite their politics and ideas, was actually a Jew?

Is being a Jew a blood thing? Don't we all have human blood?

What if the people living in Israel, despite their ancestry and religion, are all Jews?

What if everyone in the whole world was a Jew currently?

I think I even lost what I was asking.

Basically, I wanted to ask, what is a Jew, and what if everyone was a Jew, then what would be the distinction?

Is this about genetics? Aren't we all part of the human race?

Is this about religion? Don't most religions believe in the same monotheistic God?

I wonder if anyone (including myself) even understands what I'm getting at.

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shut up slave
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shut up slave
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Who is supposed to be saying that?

Is that supposed to be God saying that? Aliens saying that? Demons saying that? Angels saying that? Jews saying that? Satanists saying that? Government Saying that? Satan saying that? You saying that? Me saying that?
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I(Self) AM TELLING YOU (OP) that you are a slave like every other being on this planet.

From 1 human to another. think for your self. question authority.
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I(Self) AM TELLING YOU (OP) that you are a slave like every other being on this planet.

From 1 human to another. think for your self. question authority.
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Ok, I'm a slave according to you, and will somehow try to think for myself and question authority.

Now what? Oops.

Thanks for clarifying though.
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Well I have been working on my family tree and is more than likely that all of us have some Jewish at some point in our past ancestry.

Jewish people consider you Jewish if you mother is Jewish.

We are all more closely related than everyone thinks so you should LOVE everybody.

HATE doesn't do any good.

OP, I understand when you are coming from.

In the current society these questions are forbidden and there is a stigma around them.

Don't be afraid to ask questions.
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You say its likely that all of us have "some Jewish". What is that though? Some ancestor whose mother was of the Jewish religion? I mean can you explain what this is? What is the difference between a Jew and anyone else? If Jews are the same as everyone else, then how are we not all entirely Jewish?
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It depends on what kind of jew you are talking about.

There are ethnic jews (from the bloodline of Judah, hence the name) and then there are jews by religion. There are multiple subcategories within them, but for the most part there are two different kinds, and many who are ethnically jewish are also jewish by religion.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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If you believe in the Bible then everyone is descended from Noah and everyone is a Jew. However geologists believe the flood was a local one and many people are not genetic Jews.

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Twenty grand dood, it's a lot of money!

Recently homosexuals have been making anti christian threads. Think about it.
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I have an answer to your question, OP.

The whole notion of being a Jew is a lie.

There is no such thing as a Jew.

The whole idea of there being a race of Jews is wrong.

The Jew is a man made designation.

Judaism is a belief, like Christianity, Hinduism, Islam,

Spaghetti monsterism or Pagan... even Satanism.

The Jews are no more a chosen race as the third reich were
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you fools. we are all connected. you are only CONVINCED that we are all separate. stop useing control tools to figure you shit out.

All you need it your Bday and google: Galactic Signiture.

you/we are light. there is no difference. we are kept confused and segragated for a reason. turn off your TV
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you fools. we are all connected. you are only CONVINCED that we are all separate. stop useing control tools to figure you shit out.

All you need it your Bday and google: Galactic Signiture.

you/we are light. there is no difference. we are kept confused and segragated for a reason. turn off your TV
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1046496


Fools?

What are you on about?

Of course we are connected!

idiot...
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you fools. we are all connected. you are only CONVINCED that we are all separate. stop useing control tools to figure you shit out.

All you need it your Bday and google: Galactic Signiture.

you/we are light. there is no difference. we are kept confused and segragated for a reason. turn off your TV
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Who are you calling a fool? Am I a foolish light?
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you fools. we are all connected. you are only CONVINCED that we are all separate. stop useing control tools to figure you shit out.

All you need it your Bday and google: Galactic Signiture.

you/we are light. there is no difference. we are kept confused and segragated for a reason. turn off your TV


Fools?

What are you on about?

Of course we are connected!

idiot...
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Haha yeah! I was wondering about that too.
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Basically, I wanted to ask, what is a Jew, and what if everyone was a Jew, then what would be the distinction?

Is this about genetics? Aren't we all part of the human race?

Is this about religion? Don't most religions believe in the same monotheistic God?

I wonder if anyone (including myself) even understands what I'm getting at.
 Quoting: FreedomStands

So you're asking that since those who believe in Judaism believe we all have the same genetic ancestors (Noah and his family and ultimately Adam and Eve), how can there be any genetic difference between jews and non-jews. You are also asking that if there is no genetic difference and this is a religious difference, then what is it that makes Jewish monotheistic belief any different or any better than non-Jewish monotheistic belief. Is this correct?

If this is correct the answer is that there is no genetic difference UNLESS you believe in the Nephilim stuff. Then there is a chance that non-jews could have been genetically altered from their original creation, and thus only jews (and some gentiles) are actually human (scary when you start calling people not human). Otherwise, there is no genetic difference and it is a purely genealogical difference. Such a genealogical difference would appear to have no meaning and make no difference, BUT enter the Jewish religion.

The Jewish faith is founded upon a covenant. A covenant is like a contract. The Jewish faith is founded upon a supposed contract between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and ratified at the time of Moses.
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I have an answer to your question, OP.

The whole notion of being a Jew is a lie.

There is no such thing as a Jew.

The whole idea of there being a race of Jews is wrong.

The Jew is a man made designation.

Judaism is a belief, like Christianity, Hinduism, Islam,

Spaghetti monsterism or Pagan... even Satanism.

The Jews are no more a chosen race as the third reich were
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If there is no such thing as a Jew, then can we all be Jews together?
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ok ill tell you what. you call people jews christans.buddas. and ill call people. people. because that is what we are.
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It depends on what kind of jew you are talking about.

There are ethnic jews (from the bloodline of Judah, hence the name) and then there are jews by religion. There are multiple subcategories within them, but for the most part there are two different kinds, and many who are ethnically jewish are also jewish by religion.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Ok, so all these people who are calling themselves Jews lay claim to having ancestors in line from the tribe of Judah. So anyone from anywhere else, that couldn't have possibly ever been part of that tribe of Judah, can't be an ethnic Jew?

Thats kind of sad, I was hoping we could all be Jewish automatically without having an ancestor who was part of the tribe of Judah.

Prior to the tribe of Judah were there Jews?
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ok ill tell you what. you call people jews christans.buddas. and ill call people. people. because that is what we are.
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Ok! But why do I have to call them three things, while you get to call them one?
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Prior to the tribe of Judah were there Jews?
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No.
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ok ill tell you what. you call people jews christans.buddas. and ill call people. people. because that is what we are.


Ok! But why do I have to call them three things, while you get to call them one?
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you tell me guy its your vocabulary.
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I have an answer to your question, OP.

The whole notion of being a Jew is a lie.

There is no such thing as a Jew.

The whole idea of there being a race of Jews is wrong.

The Jew is a man made designation.

Judaism is a belief, like Christianity, Hinduism, Islam,

Spaghetti monsterism or Pagan... even Satanism.

The Jews are no more a chosen race as the third reich were


If there is no such thing as a Jew, then can we all be Jews together?
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No

You can be stupid on your own, though.
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Otherwise, there is no genetic difference and it is a purely genealogical difference. Such a genealogical difference would appear to have no meaning and make no difference, BUT enter the Jewish religion.

The Jewish faith is founded upon a covenant. A covenant is like a contract. The Jewish faith is founded upon a supposed contract between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and ratified at the time of Moses.
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Oh! Very good! So the Jewish faith is founded upon a contract between God and the descendants of Abraham, and the Jews claim descent from Abraham.

Many believe, including some Jews, that the Arabs are descended from Abraham too through Ishmael. But I think the distinction may be that according to the Bible, the Mother of Ishmael was Egyptian and not Hebrew.

Anyway, I think it does get scary when people start calling people non human. It would be ok if we all get to be non human, but not if some people are human and some people are non human because that can lead to alot of nastiness between people even if its true.

I just wanted everyone to be Jewish because that would make us all feel like we belong to this group even if we don't like some members of it. Then we could focus on other points.

If this is based on the Jewish religion, there are other religions which have differing opinions of things, so why would the majority of people, even those who don't believe in the Jewish religion, follow the idea that might come from it of a distinct group of people called the Jews.

If there is a distinct group of people called the Jews, what makes them distinct, and how can we all be Jews?

Depending on how specific the definition gets, alot of people who are calling themselves Jews right now wouldn't be Jews, and many who aren't calling themselves Jews would be.

I wanted the realization that there is no distinction between a Jewish person and any other person, and thus, us all being Jews, or us all not being Jews is the same.
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No

You can be stupid on your own, though.
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I don't want to be stupid! What can I do to avoid being stupid?
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are you paying attention?

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I've been kind of afraid to ask this question on here. I've seen some threads popping up about Israel, or some by Israelis, and just once in a while a whole bunch of talk about Israel starts.

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Your questioning seems to show you do not understand the history of the bible.

The Jews are from the tribe of Judah; one of the twelve tribes of Isreal; Descendents from jacaob son of Isiac Son of Abraham.

Other non-jews can convert to Judism and be 'grafted in' to the jewish people by accepting the Torah given to the Jewish people by G-d. It generally involves spending a year in study and cleaving to the laws contained within. Once coverted that persons children will automatically also be considered Jewish.

The Jews are 'special' in that they were given the responsibility of carying the Torah (teaching of G-d) throughout the generations. This does not mean they are better or infaluable, quite the opposite ans the Torah is filled with constant stories of the weakness of individuals. Collectively however, the people have managed to keep the Torah and its teachings for over 3500 years; throughout several foriegn empires and in spite of being dispersed throughout the world.

Your questions "what if everyone was Jewish' or 'what if everyone was not" does not make alot of sense in this context. Eventually, the book of prophets says that the gentile nations will turn to the Jews to learn the ways of G-d to be clsoer to him and to lead a more perfect life. It also says that Jews will then know the Torah without study as it will be written in their hearts.
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i think this verse says it well;

Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
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ok ill tell you what. you call people jews christans.buddas. and ill call people. people. because that is what we are.


Ok! But why do I have to call them three things, while you get to call them one?
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Are you at some sort of crossroads or are you trying to
expose people's hypocrisy with the way they love and hate? Either way you sound like an annoying seven-year-old who can't stop saying "but why?"
The simplest explanation is more likely the correct one
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all are from many aliens
aliens has separate landing events
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I don't see the point of this thread. The OP starts off
talking about Israel and then goes on to talk about Jews.
That's a lot like starting off talking about Italy but
then wanting to talk about Catholics.

Just accept that people like to follow different religious
beliefs and don't paint whole peoples with a broad brush.
That family who lives near you who are Jews have no more
to do with what Israel does than the Catholic family a
few doors down have to do with what the Vatican does.

This is part of the reason why I dislike religion so much.
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The Israel articles made me wonder about these questions. Its more like how I might see an article about Italy or Rome and think about Italians.

Israel is supposed to have a large population of people who consider themselves Jews, distinct of their religious beliefs. These people consider themselves distinctly jewish, but they may be atheist or any other religion.

They do this because many of them come from families whose mothers mothers mothers were jewish or something like that, I'm not totally sure how it works.

Really I was just wondering what really if anything makes them distinct from other people, and how other people are not also Jews, if they can be jews, and how.
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It´s the Jews themselves that think they´re special and act and talk accordingly.
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all are from many aliens
aliens has separate landing events
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Are the aliens from different planets, are those different planets created by different aliens? are those different aliens created by different aliens too? Does it all lead to One God as the primary source of all this and one common ancestor between the aliens, just like luka is supposedly the last common ancestor between the various races of life forms on earth? I mean literal races (like cats and dogs and humans).
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