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Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?

 
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Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
Now I am half Jewish so don't take me for a bigot. I have visited Israel yet I still have a very limited understanding about this.

I understand the basic principle of Zionism. But if it was really that simple, couldn't it have been done by now? To me there is some kind of hidden agenda. The big Zionists are all in high places, run banks and corporations and are heavily ingrained in capitalist practices. So with all those connections, why the conflict? Can't they just buy the Palestinians off?

The whole thing seems sketchy to me. Any insight?
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
No, they think they are entitled to rule the world.
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
No, they think they are entitled to rule the world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 769657


No, God said they shall rule over all nations.
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
No, they think they are entitled to rule the world.
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That's more along the lines of what I suspect, but at the same time I don't think all of TPTB are Jews... Zionism seems to be just another front for the big picture
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No, they think they are entitled to rule the world.


No, God said they shall rule over all nations.
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That's the excuse yeah, but I can tell you right now they aren't doing much for God.
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Zionism means money is the be all and end all of everything.

gimme that cash
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Zionism means money is the be all and end all of everything.

gimme that cash
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That makes most of the world Zionists then.
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
Now I am half Jewish so don't take me for a bigot. I have visited Israel yet I still have a very limited understanding about this.

I understand the basic principle of Zionism. But if it was really that simple, couldn't it have been done by now? To me there is some kind of hidden agenda. The big Zionists are all in high places, run banks and corporations and are heavily ingrained in capitalist practices. So with all those connections, why the conflict? Can't they just buy the Palestinians off?

The whole thing seems sketchy to me. Any insight?
 Quoting: GibsonSongwriter

Its a humungous Gentile, anti-semitic myth that Zionists are ALL in high places, run big banking and corporations or are ingrained in capitalist pracvtices.

THATS why it hasn't been done yet.

Zionism is indeed the love of Aretz Israel and the desire to return after 2000 years of exile. It has been taking place and now is still, since 1917, all according to the prophets of Israel.
Revelation 1:7 "Behold, He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen."

Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
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Zionism means money is the be all and end all of everything.

gimme that cash


That makes most of the world Zionists then.
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most people wouldn't fuck their granny's over for money but a Zionist wwould.
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
No, they think they are entitled to rule the world.


No, God said they shall rule over all nations.


That's the excuse yeah, but I can tell you right now they aren't doing much for God.
 Quoting: GibsonSongwriter

First, JEWS will not rule all the nations, THE MESSIACH will.

Second, they aren't doing much for God YET.

Read Ezekiel 36.
Revelation 1:7 "Behold, He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen."

Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
This isn't a bad place to start:

[link to www.sweetliberty.org]

(at least to get the general idea of the claims made against them)
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
No, they think they are entitled to rule the world.


No, God said they shall rule over all nations.


That's the excuse yeah, but I can tell you right now they aren't doing much for God.

First, JEWS will not rule all the nations, THE MESSIACH will.

Second, they aren't doing much for God YET.

Read Ezekiel 36.
 Quoting: S'gan-Levi


To me, God isn't described in the old or new testament. I've got Judaism in my blood, but not in my creed. To me connecting a religious belief to anything but God itself is a fallacy.
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Re: Is Zionism simply the belief that the Jewish people are entitled to all of Zion/Israel/The Holy Land?
Now I am half Jewish so don't take me for a bigot. I have visited Israel yet I still have a very limited understanding about this.

I understand the basic principle of Zionism. But if it was really that simple, couldn't it have been done by now? To me there is some kind of hidden agenda. The big Zionists are all in high places, run banks and corporations and are heavily ingrained in capitalist practices. So with all those connections, why the conflict? Can't they just buy the Palestinians off?

The whole thing seems sketchy to me. Any insight?
 Quoting: GibsonSongwriter


Read Haaretz online. They have some detailed articles in their archives about the subject:

[link to www.haaretz.com]

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