Christmas is a Pagan Satanic holiday!

Typical dumb-ass. Throws up a BS Flag 1 minute after the original post. IT'S A 10 MINUTE VIDEO ASS-HAT!

i'm sorry, ye mistake me for someone who gives a shit.

However the thread title is only six words.

That may be what got the response.

You must understand OP

People are interested in theological accuracy, they are interested into not being left out..


People observe pagan sometimes disturbing religions all over the world, what makes the United States any different?

People don't care if their custom is pagan, they just want to have customs.



If your dad gave you a rifle that he said is a Revolutionary Musket, are you going to care who it shot?

NO, religion works the same way.

People aren't interested into theological accuracy in a world where it seems that no one is..

Let them celebrate their pagan holiday peacefully.

at least you know whose side you are on when Armageddon comes......

and what side would that be?

I'm so sick of assholes like that. There's enough going on anywhere you look without having to invent bullshit.

It doesn't matter what anything started as. It's a great holiday and a great time of year for families everywhere.

Yes!! These fuckin assholes who call the ancient people who were later labeled "Pagan" as satanic need a swift kick in the ass!! They couldn't have been satanic primarily because they were NOT christers!! "Satan/Lucifer/Devil" are all christer beliefs and NOT something the ancient people believed in. What a bunch of numb-nuts!!

The satanism part was invented by the catholic church and it had nothing to do with Jesus. The thing is they embellished things for hundreds of years while everyone was forced into ignorance and illiteracy by the tyrants. When they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1956, the church was all, Whoops, yeah, we did lie for like 1800 years about all that...

So, please separate your catholic bullshit from Jesus, because they decided to use him as the vehicle of their propaganda. he was already long dead at that point.

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The ancient world was a relatively tolerant place in the world of religion. There were occasional bursts of persecution of this or that sect but as a rule many religions existed side by side.

During the years 390 CE to 395 CE all this changed when Christianity established itself as the only religion in the Roman Empire and launched an all out campaign of religious terror against all other sects. The legal persecution of non-Christian religions by Rome marked the beginning of a wave of religious terror that would remain in place until the eighteenth century.

"It is Our will that all the peoples who are ruled by the administration of Our Clemency shall practice that religion which the divine Peter the Apostle transmitted to the Romans. According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one deity of the father, Son and Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. ... The rest, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.1.2.

NO GIFT FOR YOU! NEXT!!

We didn't celebrate Christmas for most of my childhood when my stepdad believed that "Christmas is a pagan holiday". A year before I moved out from home, he suddenly had a revelation that it's not really just a pagan holiday and now they celebrate it. What a stupid waste of all those holidays not to celebrate them. Forget the toys, I doubt I would have received more than I did had we celebrated Christmas (just would have gotten less at other times of year, that's the economic facts of life). Holidays and cultural events form a common language of action that people can all speak together. This brings families together and it brings communities together. Holidays emerge from common family traditions. The origins never make any sense and you can find a million bastardized pieces of other cultures in every holiday (except the fake-o modern ones that have their origins solely in the State).

If you have family, stop with the "pagan holiday" bullshit before it's too late. Life is short so love each other every chance you get.

Clayton -

Indeed it is, it is a Festival, derived from Feast, in times past when there was no real means of preserving food, by the time of the winter solstice, all that had been gathered at harvest time had to be consumed, they got fat and whatever else they could forage through the rest of the winter 'tided them over'
Carnival also derived from meat, and for similar reasons, in spring and early summer there was little in the way of produce from the land, so slaughter and oxen, sheep or pig, and celebrated the passing of winter.

A bit of X-Mas for re-thinking, from the PJ's



-- PJ 130 -- page. 160 ( PJ's on AH )

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As you are now into the holidays recognized around your world as the "Holy Days" be ever mindful of TRUTH. You most certainly should partake of that which brings joy and remindings unto the heart for man needs wise and good traditions and joyous times of sharing and giving. This is true of all "religions", all beings. Do not think that a Christmas tree is evil--it is whatever focus YOU PLACE UPON IT. I prefer artificial trees for the whole of the ritual is usually artificial and why would you destroy a tree to please your nose--get some evergreen spray and leave the tree in its garden. That, however is up to you. But, if man is to survive--it will be because he begins to CHOOSE to leave those living oxygen machines firmly planted and nurtured into the soil of Mother Earth!

EVERY DAY IS A HOLY DAY! EVERYTHING, EVERY BEING, IS SACRED! IN THAT SACREDNESS THERE ARE NO THINGS WHICH YOU MAY OVERLOOK OR FAIL TO APPRECIATE AND TO WHICH TO RELATE--ALL ARE RELATIONS AND ALL MAKE UP THAT WHICH IS YOU. BE EVER-MINDFUL OF THE GRACE AND GLORY OF CREATION/GOD.



-- PJ 30 -- pag. 124



What do you ones celebrate at Christmas-time? X-mas time? Santa? Buying and getting? Singing of mindless carols? Could you not give a bit of thought unto Christ--could you not, for a refreshing change, shorten the term given to Christ-X? What have you allowed to happen to your generations? And for you ones who believe not on the "Jesus" Emmanuel as Messiah (teacher), to whom DO you have allegiance and faithfulness? Is it of the world, or is it of Divine God?

Where do you place The Creation in this time of mass-murder of your young, healthy trees of evergreen? You take their lives to bear ornaments of tinsel and gaudy strips of trash in order to "beautify" that which is beyond beauty in its perfection, and you call it "celebration". Celebration of what? For what do you slay all those millions of trees just reaching their prime--or for the show of shows--a giant statue of a hundred years to stand on a political pot on a politician‟s lawn--under guard lest you the people touch of it! To what do you bend in worship, my chelas? What do you sell and buy at Christmas? Perfumes to seduce? Expensive gifts to seduce? Gifts which "purchase" something or another? WHAT, DEAR ONES, ARE YOU DOING? WHAT DO YOU TEACH OF YOUR CHILDREN? WHAT DO THE CHILDREN EXPECT AT CHRISTMAS? PERHAPS IT IS THEN THAT YOU SHOULD USE THE TERM X-MAS FOR „TIS A PITY TO ATTACH THE NAME OF GOD UNTO THE HYPOCRISY AND CONTRADICTION OF TERMS AND ACTIONS.



Things given in love and remembrance of shared joy and appreciation are wondrous indeed and a special time triggers the thought--but you ones have turned it into scenes of greed and gluttony of senses. I believe it is fine to leave God out of it and call it that which it has become--Satan‟s greatest time of celebration! A card of touching and sharing a thought is wondrous, warm and caring--a magnificent temple dedicated to lies is of less than value of the item. If the heart and pocketbook can afford of both, then it is wondrous indeed when the heart and hands give forth and blessings are unlimited upon thine gifts. But what happened to the widow‟s mite--the gift of that which she had, in secret, in love and in no expectations of return? Oh, how God longs for the widow‟s mite--or less; the desire is magnificent without the mite. Blessed are ye who walk with me for I shall bow unto you and serve you and give unto you all that God has given unto me and, dear ones, it is ALL--it is the Universe, the very light of soul and all the wondrous manifestations of Creation--won‟t you come and walk with me? I am your brother-----I KNOW THE WAY! I can teach you to fly as the eagles and soar as the gull; I can show you the wondrous trappings of the Cosmos and bring you among the stars--but we must ever move in the Lighted places for only in so moving can we escape the bindings of your physical shackles whether it be within your bodies of physical format or without.



-- PJ 34 -- pag. 76



When your child prays for a long list of birthday or Christmas presents, ending with -God bless Papa--God bless Mama‖, you tell the neighbors how CUTE that prayer is and then buy everything the child wants, to uphold its belief in prayer.

IT IS NOT CUTE IT IS TRAGIC. It is helping the child build its own selfish image. It is also helping the whole world to build its own selfish, greedy image. It is helping to perpetuate this barbaric age of greed, selfishness, and fear of neighbor against neighbor.

When will parents teach their children that they must give love for love given them? Not until THEY first know that they, themselves, must not ask to be given anything without a deep desire in their hearts for REGIVING LOVE EQUALLY FOR LOVE GIVEN. Parents who know that will say to the child:

"God will give you all you desire because He loves to give, but what are you planning to regive in love to God? You want God to show His love to you by giving you the things you want, but God wants love from you. The way you can show your love to God is to love all things which God puts on earth. When you ask God to bless Papa and Mama, you can help God bless them by giving love and doing loving things for them which gives them pleasure, help or assistance, i.e., bring Papa „s slippers and/or help Mama dry the dishes, etc. That is the way you can be WORTHY of receiving all the things you ask for."



When a mother prays to God to extend His loving protection to her son and keep him from harm in transit on stormy seas, she, herself, must extend her love equally to all other sons of all mothers of earth, and to all things of God‟s creating. It most certainly requires more than hanging a yellow ribbon bow on a tree--it requires the changing of a situation which takes the children away and places them in danger through the passage of life. Her devout prayer CAN ALONE BE ANSWERED THAT WAY.



-- PJ 39 -- pag. 72



I also wish to point out that "Christ‟s Birthday" was NOT IN DECEMBER, MOST ESPECIALLY THE 25TH OF--. ISAAC NEWTON WAS, HOWEVER, BORN ON THE 25TH OF DEC. AND A WORTHY EVENT TO NOTE.

The celebration of the holiday, "Christmas", was created to coincide with the holidays of the self-styled Zionists--and deceived "Judaists"--Hanukkah. You will note that very little attention is recently ALLOWED for the celebration of Christ‟s birth as all displays in public access places are now banned--relative to that label and symbology. You are left with Satan--, oops--pardon, Santa-Clause, who represents gifts for doing nothing, bringing pain to "needy" children and spoilage to the ones who "have"-causing even parents and caretakers to enter into a deceitful LIE as to resources and origination of these "free" gifts offered from love (or need) by the actual participants. Santa represents a "free lunch" and is one of the most painful hoaxes slapped against you sleepy multitudes.

Do I suggest that my goodly "Jews" stop celebrating Christmas? No, I believe you need reminding of your enslavement to the anti-Christ and loss of freedoms. It should be a day dedicated to regaining your Constitutional rights as free people and the "gifts" become--again--a meaning of love, sharing and joy. God has been already lost to the celebration so you may as well enjoy the pretty tinsel and lights, friendship renewals, and thus utilize this period of experience as a time of "remembering" and "awakening" while you STOP THE DREAMING OF SUGARPLUMS AND FLUFFY CLOUDS. USE IT AS A TIME TO RECLAIM YOUR SALVATION OF YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND RELIGIOUS PRACTICES ALONG WITH YOUR OTHER "RIGHTS" UNDER PROMISE OF THAT CONSTITUTION.



-- PJ 41 -- pag. 38



THIS "CHRISTMAS SEASON" IS JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PREDOMINANTLY, ZIONISTS, TO GET YOU INTO THEIR MARKETS AND SEPARATE YOU FROM YOUR ASSETS. NOTICE WHO OWNS EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY THE MAJOR DEPARTMENT STORES.

Of course it is fine if you go with "tradition" and trappings of the "season" for you are reminded therein of the love and fellowship which it once represented. Why do you think cards are measured by the snow scenes and the old-time gathering of family, etc? Because man longs for his heritage. Note, however, that Jerusalem and Bethlehem are not exactly the Currier and Ives picture of winter-wonderland and sledding scapes. And from what race do you suppose comes Currier and Ives? Ah Ha!!

Oh, you just send cards for the "annual contact"? Then why don't you send a note in the middle of the year if you love those receivers so much? Well, you "just don't love them THAT much"? I see. Do you see how easily a lie becomes a habit? How could "shepherds from afar" follow a star? How did they know where to go? Do you ever feel "silly"? So be it.

" Each year, 33 to 36 million Christmas trees are produced in America, and 50 to 60 million are produced in Europe. In 1998, there were about 15,000 growers in America (a third of them "choose and cut" farms). In that same year, it was estimated that Americans spent $1.5 billion on Christmas trees. "

The origin of the Christmas tree

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No one cares they think they do it because they just want to "participate" but they are told to participate.

xmas it's pagan - NOT Scriptural

And Druid Day is secretly a Christian holiday!

Yay, diversity.

How did the Dead Sea Scrolls prove the Catholic Church wrong?

Every year around Christmas for almost 10 years or so now, I start feeling weird when my family starts celebrating Christmas...
Today, since in Germany we celebrate Christmas in the evening, it wasn`t any different, short before the Celebrations started, I started feeling weird again, like every year.
This feeling only leaves me again, when I can get away from the Christmas Celebrations.

It is as if the room is filled with thick air, even though everyone else feels quite normal and happy, its just me who can sense this and it always heavily affects me.

So now I want to share with you my Truth about Christmas, which some of you might be aware of already, but this thread is also a means of adressing this being, that is behind this charade and exposing it, because I don`t think many people have done this so far.

This year the understanding that came to me was, that Santa Claus or Father Christmas, is the same being as the Christian God Yahweh, "God the Father", and therfor Saturn.

It is in itself already quite telling, that even non Christians all around the world, have adopted this type of Christmas and Santa Claus archetype, and started celebrating something similar or even the same, without having any real deeper reason to do so...

Santa Claus, is the Judging God Entity for Children.
Children believe anything they are being told, so this being is very real for them. For Children Santa Claus exists, period.
Santa Claus can see everything Children are doing and watches them all the time over the whole year, making a list of what they are doing. Even when I`m writing this some rage starts boiling inside me, the mind fucking they do with our Children all around the world...

The most important thing for a child to learn is, that it is a free being, who can and needs to try anything, to learn what for them feels right and wrong, instead of being told by their parents or other authorities, what is right or wrong.
The normal Christian God is beyond the scope of understanding for a child, it cannot understand why it would be judged by this ominous being sitting on a cloud or why this god would even be so evil as to send people to a place like hell. This mindcontrol program, simply cannot access the pure mind of a child yet and is therfor useless.

But a nice old man with a fluffy white beard and flying reindeers, who brings presents to children who were behaving good starts their imagination, like a real life disney movie. This concept is much easier to understand and involves a reward, that is fathomable to children.
Which also leads to the point, that parents tell their children, that imaginary friends aren`t real, that very vivid dreams aren`t real, that none of their inherent spiritual abilities are real, but Santa Clause who is flying on a skid with reindeers is real, and dare any parent to tell their children, that it is a made up lie.

The whole Ritual of Christmas, prepares the child`s mind, into accepting the existence of a Judgemental Christian God, Yahweh, that has the very same characteristics, like Santa Claus.
He claims to be able to see everything, but only his judgement is a bit more cruel, because in this case it is not about present or no present, or even worse a rod, but Eternal Hell Fire or Eternal Heaven instead.

Through telling the Children, that they either get a present when they behave good, light side of duality, or behave bad, dark side of duality, one being explored, the other being taught to heavily fear... that they even get punished with a rod, if they were really bad, which for a child really just means, exploring their true freedom, since a child really cannot do anything really "bad" yet.
The child`s mind is being conditioned into accepting, that punishment of bad people through the Christian God Yahweh, is an acceptable behaviour and completely justified, even needs to be enforced.

And if all of this mind fucking with our Children wouldn`t be enough...
The Celebration of Christmas which involves the gifting of presents BIG or small... conditions the mind, for entering into a Matrix, where Rich People are good and better/behaved better and therfor get more materialistic presents, and poor people were somehow bad/behaved worse, since they can only afford less materialistic presents.

The same goes for rich and poor children, where the confident but arrogant and bullying child in school, brags about getting a new tv or video console from Santa Claus, while the quiet child that is really good in his heart, just might have gotten, something much smaller and less expensive... I guess you see where I`m going with his.

Truth be told I hate Christmas, since I know the truth behind it, it is an ugly mindcontrol program, fucking with the purity of our Children`s Mind, and not a fucking single bit more than that.

I know what you are doing Yahweh and I will not keep quite anymore, with your bullshit false synthetic light programs that have infected the minds of our Children and Adults!

This needed to be released, now I can hopefully happily celebrate Mother Earth, Father Sun and Myself, for just Being Us and Winter being a time, where Mother Earth blesses us with Snow, instead of being a time where "Christmas is coming"...

How is this for sharing the Spirit of Christmas... would it really be that bad to tell our children, that they get their presents from us as every other child around the world, because we love them unconditionally for who they are...?

I beg to differ.

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