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this has nothing to do with why i choose to believe and continue to believe. it is an irrelevant sidetrack to the thread's topic and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the teachings of Christ or the foundation of my faith.

so again, i still don't see your point, or what you are driving at....
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You memorized the verses I cite, you say.
Funny. I was Led to these Scriptures 19.5 some over 20 years after I gave my life in surrender Unto God The Father. The Scripture is not a (eta: Primary) Witness for me. Abiding In and With HIM means I pray With and Receive Directly From The Father.

I was happily in bliss Knowing HIM, Knowing what To Be A Christian meant; then I began to witness what I have Seen and Know, and never have I encountered so many alienated and confused people masquerading as those who would be HIS.

Judgmental? A week or two after I was Born-Again, I got my first Witness from The Holy Spirit. It occurred while driving on a freeway feeder lane and I was Given To Know that a car would run a stop sign and into me if I did not slow up drastically. Did I wait to "prove it in the Word"? No, I simply Trusted God and took action. The car did run the stop at about 50mph and how it made the 90deg turn amazed me...

Have had plenty of ostensibly Born-Again Christians tell me they get Witness from The Holy Spirit, but must "prove it in The Word" before they trust and Know that what they were Given is Of-HIM... One sat in my livingroom over 5 years ago and said just that. The carnal-heart claims HIM but Knows HIM not being iniquitous... Have been told, "God sent lying spirits to Ahab, so we can't trust until we prove what HE Gives us in The Word". It is offensive to hear such false-witness, but these Christians think they are doing right...


I have about 10,000 posts on this board. Mostly Christian witness, in last few years much about survivalism and the economic betrayal of America. My concern though is to witness that anyone who Loves Jesus with a True heart can offer their life to God The Father.

You are new.
Many newbies here these days.
No succinct witness, if any witness at all from any of the newbies I've interacted with.

You want to know who I am and what my witness is?
It is presented here, succinctly or you can search the archives. Unfortunately, the board archives before Sep 15, 04 were lost or never restored; then the board sold to Trinity a few months later. A couple thousand posts and several hundred threads of mine were lost; but no big deal. It is the writing and giving the witness that matters; not what the reader does with it.
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Lester, I thank you! That was the most cogent post of yours that I've read here (and yes, I've only been here a few weeks). I thank you for it.
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and, i am not sure why you would ask me to confirm to you the basis of every other religion in order to prove my own faith? my choices are my choices based on the years of inquiry that i have undertaken for myself.

what do you care?
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Here is what you said...

"Even Buddha spoke in great detail about Jesus' birth, purpose and death."

Do you still really think that's accurate?


yes i do... the point of the passages was to explain to the priest how nobody can merit their way into nirvana. when the priest inquires further as to how to reach nirvana, Buddha explains in detail that a Holy One will be born for this purpose, how He will do this for everyone, and it will happen when He dies. He also goes on to describe His appearance and how we will know it is Him.

this is not rocket science...



So I guess our definitions of "great detail" differ then.
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This reminds me of Pure Land Buddhism. There are definitely some (superficial) resemblences to Christian teaching, for example:


The Pure Land is described in the Longer Sukhāvatīvyūha Sūtra as a land of beauty that surpasses all other realms. More importantly for the Pure Land practitioner, once one has been "born" into this land (birth occurs painlessly through lotus flowers), one will never again be reborn. In the Pure Land one will be personally instructed by Amitābha Buddha and numerous bodhisattvas until one reaches full and complete enlightenment. In effect, being born into the Pure Land is akin to achieving enlightenment, through escaping saṃsāra, the Buddhist concept of "the wheel of birth and death."
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and, i am not sure why you would ask me to confirm to you the basis of every other religion in order to prove my own faith? my choices are my choices based on the years of inquiry that i have undertaken for myself.

what do you care?
 Quoting: Salt & Light



I grow weary of you, but your vortex of stupid sucks me in like a black hole. The cheerleading of stupidity. GAH!

I didn't ask you to confirm the basis of every other religion, I asked you to prove you claim about Buddha.

But yeah, I have run out of care for the topic. Something about you is like nails on a chalkboard, incarnated.
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Here is what I found very sad:


just a quick run-down.... i was an atheist my entire life until i had a profound experience in 1991. The experience persisted for two years and forced a re-think on everything that i believed to be real. i cannot say that i ran to God hoping for his rescue. i ran from God all of my life, and closed my eyes (heart) to any idea, refusing to accept any possibility.

however, after a two year experience with things that i cannot explain, i needed answers and protection. and when i was backed into a corner with no place else to turn, and exhausting every other method for help, there was nothing else to do but to entertain the idea that God was there and that He possibly had some help for me.

After one simple prayer the answer came, and it was a biggie. A really big biggie. A profound experience that to this day I still marvel and cannot completely comprehend. After that, there has been such a strong presence of God that has manifested in 1001 ways that made it so very very clear that He is there and is paying very close attention to my welfare and my well-being. SPECIFICS.... detailed specifics, of so many that it would be hard to even pick one out and describe it for you now. And even if I did take time to draw it out for you, your heart is hard and will not accept it anyway.

From that point on I have been buried in study. What I have learned along the way is astounding and offers me peace that passes understanding. Everything that I thought before has been transformed to a completely new understanding.
Quoting: Salt & Light


What saddened me was that Salty did not "know" that only God could be depended upon and Trusted Completely.
He/she says:
"there was nothing else to do but to entertain the idea that God was there and that He possibly had some help for me."

There are no half-hearted surrenders.
No "possibly" about it.
Not "beliefs", only knowing.

Can't KNOW innately that you can Trust GOD Fully with every aspect of your life? Then you can't surrender with any prospect of entering into HIS Accord.

I gave HIM my life because I Knew only HE could make me whole, and that only through HIM could I be what He would have me be as a man. Living my life on my own terms had been a failure, but I Knew God Could NOT Fail me! Thus, I gave HIM my life without reservation and holding nothing back.

Had to lose everything (of self), to gain HIS Victory and Deliverance over self!
Had to Trust HIM Fully and Completely to make my Leap Of Faith.

I made my Leap by dropping to my knees at 12:30am when I was on my way from my bedroom to kitchen to get a soda. I got to my doorway and it just came over me not to wait any longer, but to take action; so I did...

Told HIM that I didn't really know how Jesus fit into HIS Plans, but that I Knew HIM To Be God The Son who Redeemed mankind. I told Father that I was surrendering to HIM and HIM only, Father God, YahWeh, Elohim; that I was giving HIM my life all of it in its entirety, the good and the bad, to do with as HE Willed and that I wanted only to do HIS Will from that time on.

I arose from my knees and Knew I had been In-HIS Presence and that HE Had Accepted the offering I made of my life. My life was never the same again. I have lived In Confidence, In-HIM ever since.
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and, i am not sure why you would ask me to confirm to you the basis of every other religion in order to prove my own faith? my choices are my choice based on the years of inquiry that i have undertaken for myself.

what do you care?
 Quoting: Salt & Light

Good question, S&L!

I was reading a new book on the Four Gospels that has this statement:

The devil's temptations ask us to be mindful of our motives at every minute of our journey, for many self-illusions can lead us astray. Self-righteousness can be a particular problem when we claim our beliefs as right for any other than ourselves and try to aggrandize ourselves at the expense of others.
 Quoting: The Hidden Power of the Gospels


And S&L, in my opinion, that's what some of the others are here to do: to "aggrandize themselves" at your (our) expense.
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Even Buddha spoke in great detail about Jesus' birth, purpose and death.



bsflag

Let's see some proof of that.


ok... this should get you started:

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
 Quoting: Salt & Light


antibs


Sure Sounds like Buddha was talking about Jesus Christ to me... Somebody just got schooled Salt and Light style.
hf
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Here is what I found very sad:





What saddened me was that Salty did not "know" that only God could be depended upon and Trusted Completely.
He/she says:
"there was nothing else to do but to entertain the idea that God was there and that He possibly had some help for me."

There are no half-hearted surrenders.
No "possibly" about it.
Not "beliefs", only knowing.

Can't KNOW innately that you can Trust GOD Fully with every aspect of your life? Then you can't surrender with any prospect of entering into HIS Accord.

I gave HIM my life because I Knew only HE could make me whole, and that only through HIM could I be what He would have me be as a man. Living my life on my own terms had been a failure, but I Knew God Could NOT Fail me! Thus, I gave HIM my life without reservation and holding nothing back.

Had to lose everything (of self), to gain HIS Victory and Deliverance over self!
Had to Trust HIM Fully and Completely to make my Leap Of Faith.

I made my Leap by dropping to my knees at 12:30am when I was on my way from my bedroom to kitchen to get a soda. I got to my doorway and it just came over me not to wait any longer, but to take action; so I did...

Told HIM that I didn't really know how Jesus fit into HIS Plans, but that I Knew HIM To Be God The Son who Redeemed mankind. I told Father that I was surrendering to HIM and HIM only, Father God, YahWeh, Elohim; that I was giving HIM my life all of it in its entirety, the good and the bad, to do with as HE Willed and that I wanted only to do HIS Will from that time on.

I arose from my knees and Knew I had been In-HIS Presence and that HE Had Accepted the offering I made of my life. My life was never the same again. I have lived In Confidence, In-HIM ever since.
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congratulations, i am glad you came from a stronger place than me. however, my surrender was hardly half-hearted. it was a desperate plea with all brokenness...
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Even Buddha spoke in great detail about Jesus' birth, purpose and death.



bsflag

Let's see some proof of that.


ok... this should get you started:

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]

[link to www.bibleprobe.com]


antibs


Sure Sounds like Buddha was talking about Jesus Christ to me... Somebody just got schooled Salt and Light style.
hf
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i don't think it did any good, though. heart still hard as stone and i am being personally attacked for it.
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congratulations, i am glad you came from a stronger place than me. however, my surrender was hardly half-hearted. it was a desperate plea with all brokenness...
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Man, that word "surrender" has chased me all my life. Every time I think that I have surrendered "all" (as the hymn says), in just a few weeks/months I find that I have really surrendered very little... and that additional surrender beckons at me.
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congratulations, i am glad you came from a stronger place than me. however, my surrender was hardly half-hearted. it was a desperate plea with all brokenness...

Man, that word "surrender" has chased me all my life. Every time I think that I have surrendered "all" (as the hymn says), in just a few weeks/months I find that I have really surrendered very little... and that additional surrender beckons at me.
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that is a good point. all i needed to do was bring what i had at the time to the foot of the altar, and it was plenty enough to get a grand response. i am so glad that my works and abilities have nothing to do with my relationship with God. otherwise, i would be in big trouble.
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i am so glad that my works and abilities have nothing to do with my relationship with God. otherwise, i would be in big trouble.
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As I read somewhere, "God is never disillusioned with us because he never had any illusions about us in the first place."

We can certainly use our "doing" and "abilities" to attempt to "run up the score" with God, and when we find out that God doesn't keep score, all that falls away, and we can actually open our hearts to receive Him.
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And that, WG, Lester, and others is what it's all about: life changing and transformational!

Thanks, S&L! hf
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Well then maybe you're ready for the true nature of the EM matrix and the on-going global Earth and climate changes that are taking place right now...
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Well then maybe you're ready for the true nature of the EM matrix...
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If by EM you mean electromagnetic, I would like to hear all your opinions about that!
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And that, WG, Lester, and others is what it's all about: life changing and transformational!

Thanks, S&L! hf


Well then maybe you're ready for the true nature of the EM matrix and the on-going global Earth and climate changes that are taking place right now...
 Quoting: wirelessguru1


i might be in this world, but i am certainly not of this world. i am looking forward to going home one day to the place i belong.
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And that, WG, Lester, and others is what it's all about: life changing and transformational!

Thanks, S&L! hf


Well then maybe you're ready for the true nature of the EM matrix and the on-going global Earth and climate changes that are taking place right now...
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but yes, i am ready to hear your words... please continue!
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Well then maybe you're ready for the true nature of the EM matrix...

If by EM you mean electromagnetic, I would like to hear all your opinions about that!
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maybe you should tell 'em what you do for a living, L/L
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Well then maybe you're ready for the true nature of the EM matrix...

If by EM you mean electromagnetic, I would like to hear all your opinions about that!


maybe you should tell 'em what you do for a living, L/L
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And spoil the fun??? LOL
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you know, i love the Matrix trilogy and saw the first movie 23 times in the theatre. i love those movies....

i am scientifically minded and not some woowoo Jesus freak like you may have assumed.

i would relish a discussion on your ideas. mostly because i am interested in your point of view, and also so I can keep looking at Keanu's picture for as long as possible, lol.
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Honey, Neo never "assumes". He just does it.

Also, action/reaction (or cause and effect) is my main game...

Maybe I will stick around here for awhile now, it just depends on the owners of this web site...so right now I am just testing the waters...

Don't like all of these "Cowards" though!!!

BTW, I know that you're interested in my POV. The one (1) knows these things...
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you know, i love the Matrix trilogy and saw the first movie 23 times in the theatre. i love those movies....

i am scientifically minded and not some woowoo Jesus freak like you may have assumed.

i would relish a discussion on your ideas. mostly because i am interested in your point of view, and also so I can keep looking at Keanu's picture for as long as possible, lol.


Honey, Neo never "assumes". He just does it.

Also, action/reaction (or cause and effect) is my main game...

Maybe I will stick around here for awhile now, it just depends on the owners of this web site...so right now I am just testing the waters...

Don't like all of these "Cowards" though!!!

BTW, I know that you're interested in my POV. The one (1) knows these things...
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on the edge of my seat...
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you know, i love the Matrix trilogy and saw the first movie 23 times in the theatre. i love those movies....
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Me, too. I haven't decided whether there's more embedded Christianity or more embedded Buddhism in them... probably a mixture.

I remember the first time I saw the first movie. I think it was the last line that Neo uttered, "How do you 'save' the whole world?" or words to that effect. I will never forget how that struck me.
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I could not see anything but felt Jesus. The terrible, debilitating loneliness was washing away. I knew in an instant that Jesus loved me too!, that his power is real, and that heaven is a reality. I understood that this is the "Stuff" that raises people from death. God has forgiven me! Suddenly, my life had meaning! Great sorrow was being replaced by joy. I understood that this Holy Spirit is the One that brings eternal life.

Jesus is a Presence, seperate and apart from anything or anyone I had ever experienced. Like millions of other people I experienced the love of Jesus Christ because I called out to him in truth. My life would never be the same again. This whole revelation was the beginning of a Higher Education for me.

One of the first things I did after this miraculous experience from God was to purchase a Bible. I read about the life of Jesus and how he loved all people. What he did for me - and countless others like me - he also did for people in Palestine two thousand years ago. Jesus walked throughout the land proclaiming the Good News. This good news is the fact that we are all part of God’s creation and that there is a purpose to our lives. God loves us all and sent his son to show us the way to heaven. Like God himself, heaven is a holy place. Those who turn from sin and accept Jesus will receive eternal life. Those who stubbornly choose their own selfish, self centered life style will never know the wonderful things God has prepared for them.
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..and how do you know it was Jesus that you "felt" and not your higher self!?

So exactly what is your "center" since you claim not to be centered on yourself!?

BTW, the way that I see it, each "one" of us is a uni-verse in a multi-verse of possibilities...


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(comment to Once4All)
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Once4All doesn't appear to be online at the moment.

While we're waiting, were you going to describe your "EM matrix" stuff for us?
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Jesus Witnesses that those to whom it is Given To Know The Mysteries Of Heaven will have their Knowledge increased, those to whom it is not given to know will have their knowledge taken away.... matt 13:11-12.


If you Know HIM, you Know how you Came Unto HIM.
Witness, HE Says to Nicodemus, is "what WE have Seen and Know".

What value does conjecture have? None
Does conjecture serve God? No.
Do rationalized feelings and thoughts that purport to be Of-HIM, but aren't, serve anyone other than self?


It is my observation that only the PureHeart or the sinner ever makes their surrender. The PH thinks they are the worst sinner, and longs for union with God to Know HIM Better and finally surrenders holding nothing back because they are frustrated and holding nothing back is all they have not tried. The sinner surrenders because there is no other way they can identify and they innately Know they are lost without God's Direction and Guidance. The PureHeart has tried everything, the sinner Knows there is no one left to try much less trust...

Does this mean all others are not "saved"?
Not hardly. Given to me to Know and witness that all who ever Loved Christ Jesus even with a child's heart, will not be lost or condemned. Was Given that while reading John ch 3 about 6yrs ago...

All have free will, governed by carnal-heart or "self". Only by surrender do we, by our own free-will, give up "self" Unto The Father and thereby Receive A New Heart Of HIS Flesh... God cannot Abide with sinners. Only God can Deliver us from self...

So many paradoxes and conundrums apparent when we confront the carnal-mind with testimony of the Born-Again life... So few can trust others' witness, much less God.

Many are called but few are chosen.
You are among the chosen, if you can chose to lose your life (self) Unto HIM and Trust HIM Fully to do what is right by and for you from then on.

I thank God I was a sinner and so suffered brokenness that I was able and actually saw no other way but to Trust and surrender. Did not Know what would happen before I gave HIM my life; just Knew that whatever was God's Will was so much more than anything I could imagine or hope for myself.
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Buddha explains in detail that a Holy One will be born for this purpose, how He will do this for everyone, and it will happen when He dies. He also goes on to describe His appearance and how we will know it is Him.

this is not rocket science...
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Well the one is not exactly sure what a "holy" one is either!?

But the one can tell you that it is indeed very important to fully grasp the relationship between one and everyone (all)...

Also, the one is never, ever "lonely" even when alone...since he truly knows his relationship with Nature.
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Buddha explains in detail that a Holy One will be born for this purpose, how He will do this for everyone, and it will happen when He dies. He also goes on to describe His appearance and how we will know it is Him.

this is not rocket science...


Well the one is not exactly sure what a "holy" one is either!?

But the one can tell you that it is indeed very important to fully grasp the relationship between one and everyone (all)...

Also, the one is never, ever "lonely" even when alone...since he truly knows his relationship with Nature.
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not sure how to respond to this one... help
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As I read somewhere, "God is never disillusioned with us because he never had any illusions about us in the first place."

We can certainly use our "doing" and "abilities" to attempt to "run up the score" with God, and when we find out that God doesn't keep score, all that falls away, and we can actually open our hearts to receive Him.
 Quoting: Life and Love


Only if you're disillusioned with yourself since, and yet again, God = I AM!

Either case, exactly how do you "receive" your God when you do consider it "separate" to yourself!?
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Buddha explains in detail that a Holy One will be born for this purpose, how He will do this for everyone, and it will happen when He dies. He also goes on to describe His appearance and how we will know it is Him.

this is not rocket science...


Well the one is not exactly sure what a "holy" one is either!?

But the one can tell you that it is indeed very important to fully grasp the relationship between one and everyone (all)...

Also, the one is never, ever "lonely" even when alone...since he truly knows his relationship with Nature.



not sure how to respond to this one... help
 Quoting: Salt & Light

Try this. So, WG1, where is this Nature that you know? Is it hiding somewhere? How do you know it? By touch, taste, sight? Show it to us, WG1.
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As I read somewhere, "God is never disillusioned with us because he never had any illusions about us in the first place."

We can certainly use our "doing" and "abilities" to attempt to "run up the score" with God, and when we find out that God doesn't keep score, all that falls away, and we can actually open our hearts to receive Him.


Only if you're disillusioned with yourself since, and yet again, God = I AM!

Either case, exactly how do you "receive" your God when you do consider it "separate" to yourself!?
 Quoting: wirelessguru1


i am just hanging to hear the EM stuff.... when are we going to get to that??????

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