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maybe you are not ready to be unplugged?
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Maybe you're not!

I know that you want to (because I can "see" you) but you still have many "fears"... :(
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maybe you are not ready to be unplugged?

Maybe you're not!

I know that you want to (because I can "see" you) but you still have many "fears"... :(
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you think you see.... but you are only seeing what i have permitted you to see.

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You guys wasted the whole day arguing about bullshit.

lol

Glad I didn't get sucked into that hell again.
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Do you believe you being stronger or faster has anything to do with your mind in this place?
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No, it has all to do with my action-reaction skills...

..and I am a "real" pro at it.

I know kungfu... ;)
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You guys wasted the whole day arguing about bullshit.

lol

Glad I didn't get sucked into that hell again.
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i missed you.... kissnoise
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this "space" is a small part of elements drawn from the original..
you cannot be operating from the master system if you believe what you do.... not possible
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What space is this!/ What space are you referring to!? Cyber space!?

..and "believe" does not compute with the one! Sorry!!!

So I must be "executing" the impossible. :)
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this "space" is a small part of elements drawn from the original..
you cannot be operating from the master system if you believe what you do.... not possible


What space is this!/ What space are you referring to!? Cyber space!?

..and "believe" does not compute with the one! Sorry!!!

So I must be "executing" the impossible. :)
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you are...

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you think you see.... but you are only seeing what i have permitted you to see.

the architect of your ego has built a very large house
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No, I know I see you (avatar). Your code is rather clear due to your "desire" (e-motion)...since you really, really want it. :)
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you are...
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On that note, I must go workout...to also maintain the body in prime shape...so "see you" later. :)
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you think you see.... but you are only seeing what i have permitted you to see.

the architect of your ego has built a very large house


No, I know I see you (avatar). Your code is rather clear due to your "desire" (e-motion)...since you really, really want it. :)
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if it makes you feel better and more superior to believe that, then use it to your heart's desire.
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you are...


On that note, I must go workout...to also maintain the body in prime shape...so "see you" later. :)
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good spar.... i enjoyed that
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you are...


On that note, I must go workout...to also maintain the body in prime shape...so "see you" later. :)


good spar.... i enjoyed that
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applause
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i always wanted to play the role of the tall, bald, enlightened black man....
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i always wanted to play the role of the tall, bald, enlightened black man....
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hahahahahaha!
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All about KNOWING HIM.
Yet none witness this out of almost 600 postings...


I have a theory about that, Lester. Want to hear it?

I think you are a sincere person who has a deep, meaningful relationship with God. I am grateful for that. I think that you feel deeply about your message of "witness," and I'm grateful for that as well.

On the other hand, your words, actions, and attitudes don't reflect those things here. Probably not your fault but more the nature of the forum medium.

Let me speak for myself... brother to brother.

It is hard for people to receive your message when they have to read through multiple paragraphs of text. They'll skim it at best.

It is hard for people to receive your message when they feel pushed away by it. Embrace them instead. Companion them. Offer to walk along side them.

Just some thoughts for you to consider. hf
 Quoting: Life and Love


Truth does often grate.
Carnal-hearted blowhards are often offended when their absence of Relationship is pointed out.

We are not brothers In-Christ, there is no evidence from you that you Abide In-HIM or can grasp what witness of Living In-HIM constitutes. No surprise to me, but certainly pointing this out will cause you to chasten and bridle. After all, you have your own feelings and conjecture to press; anyone who might offer alternative perspective is a threat to you.

I simply post what I Know and what I have Been Given To Witness. Nothing has changed about me or my Relationship With God in over 26.5 years. I have been Given a means to voice what I Know...

Doesn't matter to God what you have ears to hear and eyes to see. Those who hear with their heart matter. Perhaps this sounds judgmental or harsh to you? No doubt...

I have seen people on hardcore Christian sites who worry about all sorts of matters God would have Delivered them from, were they Born-Again. One took pride in deviously failing to admit that he was preaching Christ to those he sought to convert, until after he felt they were "ready" to not be dismissive of Jesus...

Can you understand how self-willed that is?
Rather like you trying to explain to me how my witness might better be presented...

Plenty of carnals will not even identify themselves as Christian, these days. Many write moving and heartfelt essays detailing their struggle about "why I'm no longer a Christian". Ever hear of The Great Falling Away? So many who would Claim HIM are simply deluded and deceived. As if, denying God's Banner to the world, Christianity is a trivial matter like choosing which designer T-shirt to wear in the morning, which for after-Tennis...

All about self; at least, to the carnal-Christian.
Gonna fight evil, bring souls to Christ, follow Jesus and ask WWJD continually... Sounds good but is just witness of your alienation.

My witness is plain, for those with ears to hear.
The carnal strivers seek, having no confidence in God and no awareness that HIS Will Being Perfect has no potential for failure. Doesn't matter whether you accept or deny my witness; it was given, and is exact.

There is an old saying about Takes One To Know One. I was vividly shown what the impact of my life would have been upon innocents had I continued to live in carnal alienation from HIM. Carnality, being at odds with God's Will, ripples throughout the world and is the common denominator for all sin. Figure you're able to live as Jesus Witnessed and not have yet been Born-Again? That is just carnal rationalization and evidence of your alienation.

All humans are as described above. Matters not how wonderful or acclaimed you are, until God Gives you HIS New Heart, you are wretched no matter your finery.

Until you understand the carnal-heart that God has Given you Victory over; you may be sure, HE hasn't...
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carnal hearted blowtards.... if i was still a metal musician that would be the name of my band
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Truth does often grate.
Carnal-hearted blowhards are often offended when their absence of Relationship is pointed out.

We are not brothers In-Christ, there is no evidence from you that you Abide In-HIM or can grasp what witness of Living In-HIM constitutes. No surprise to me, but certainly pointing this out will cause you to chasten and bridle. After all, you have your own feelings and conjecture to press; anyone who might offer alternative perspective is a threat to you.

I simply post what I Know and what I have Been Given To Witness. Nothing has changed about me or my Relationship With God in over 26.5 years. I have been Given a means to voice what I Know...

Doesn't matter to God what you have ears to hear and eyes to see. Those who hear with their heart matter. Perhaps this sounds judgmental or harsh to you? No doubt...

I have seen people on hardcore Christian sites who worry about all sorts of matters God would have Delivered them from, were they Born-Again. One took pride in deviously failing to admit that he was preaching Christ to those he sought to convert, until after he felt they were "ready" to not be dismissive of Jesus...

Can you understand how self-willed that is?
Rather like you trying to explain to me how my witness might better be presented...

Plenty of carnals will not even identify themselves as Christian, these days. Many write moving and heartfelt essays detailing their struggle about "why I'm no longer a Christian". Ever hear of The Great Falling Away? So many who would Claim HIM are simply deluded and deceived. As if, denying God's Banner to the world, Christianity is a trivial matter like choosing which designer T-shirt to wear in the morning, which for after-Tennis...

All about self; at least, to the carnal-Christian.
Gonna fight evil, bring souls to Christ, follow Jesus and ask WWJD continually... Sounds good but is just witness of your alienation.

My witness is plain, for those with ears to hear.
The carnal strivers seek, having no confidence in God and no awareness that HIS Will Being Perfect has no potential for failure. Doesn't matter whether you accept or deny my witness; it was given, and is exact.

There is an old saying about Takes One To Know One. I was vividly shown what the impact of my life would have been upon innocents had I continued to live in carnal alienation from HIM. Carnality, being at odds with God's Will, ripples throughout the world and is the common denominator for all sin. Figure you're able to live as Jesus Witnessed and not have yet been Born-Again? That is just carnal rationalization and evidence of your alienation.

All humans are as described above. Matters not how wonderful or acclaimed you are, until God Gives you HIS New Heart, you are wretched no matter your finery.

Until you understand the carnal-heart that God has Given you Victory over; you may be sure, HE hasn't...
 Quoting: Lester

When you learn that it is the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things and guides us into all truth (and not you, me, or anyone else), then come back and we can discuss this some more.

In the meantime, consider starting a metal band!

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 Quoting: Love and Life


translation:

humankind is no longer driven by what it knows

it is led by what it discovers
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translation:

humankind is no longer driven by what it knows

it is led by what it discovers
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That's a fact
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L & L writes:

When you learn that it is the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things and guides us into all truth (and not you, me, or anyone else), then come back and we can discuss this some more.

In the meantime, consider starting a metal band!

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The hardest time to remain silent is when you have nothing to say.



What a perfect thread to give evidence of The Supreme Truth Given by Christ Jesus in Matt ch 13! L & L cited Daniel is his cleverness and insight, penning this thread which is testament to the blind participants congratulating each other on being led to the ditch... Yet, no mention of Jesus and Matthew 13.

Not Knowing.
L & L doesn't Know God's Witness Revealed to Born-Agains Via Scripture. But this ain't unusual; in fact it is typical carnal-hearted posterboy stuff. Seen it for years.

First time I read First John Epistle it resonated my heart like a letter from an older brother I had never met. I represented this back around page 9 or wherever I first began posting to this silly little thread of congratulatory new-age alienation. "Lemme tell ya about megatron, architect of the universe" one person/posting-bot actually wrote...


Don't much matter what you believe, think, or have faith in. Until you give your life and Come Unto The Father in heartfelt and unreserved surrender, what you know means nothing; and in fact Jesus Witnesses it will be "taken away"...

These are The Final Moments.
The Great Falling Away has largely completed.
The end of The Age Of Faith is near.
Either you KNOW God and Abide In-HIM or you don't.

I have not seen a more convoluted style or attempt at witness. Citing Daniel in place of Christ Jesus' OWN Witness is a unique start, but L & L is like a Track & Field contestant who knows how to start the race without knowing how to run it. Assuredly, any Ezekiel 36 Born-Again understands, has experienced; therefore KNOWS what they seek to share with others about Father God, Christ and Christianity. L & L though says nothing here that might guide or encourage others.

Look at his/her first post, correlating Jesus' Matt 24:12 Witness of what will define "the signs of HIS Coming" with relations between humanity rather than the failing of those Called By The Father to manifest their hearts...

I write witness where it needs to be given. Carnal-hearted blowhard is admittedly a great moniker. How about Workers of Iniquity, unite! That would be a great signature-line for you, or many who posted so much claptrap here...

Having an Unction From The Holy One Does Give us who are Born-Again and Abiding In-HIM, Knowledge of All Things. All things that are Godly and Of-HIM, at a minimum. Such is Apostle John's Witness in ch 2 verse 20 of first epistle.

No man is to "instruct" us, but that Unction we have been Given, John says again in 2:27... Yet, rebuke and correction are not judgment among Christians, but rather heart-felt efforts to Serve God's Will and share witness.

Love Paul's use of the word "bastards" in Hebrews 12:
5. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8. But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.


Whatever is in your heart, if you Love Christ Jesus, you will not be lost or condemned. Nonetheless, those who are Of-HIM will Know that The Holy Spirit is not within you, no matter what you claim. Chastening and protesting makes you a Hebrews 12 Bastard, not a seeker, not a Believer or Faithful. Defending carnality is simply apt for your heart of stone condition, no matter how reasoned the protest or how clever you think it to mix science-fiction genre.

Not much longer now.
There is no Coming Unto The Father on your own terms.
Surrender is either complete or on terms.
If God were to accept terms, He would not be God...
The very idea of terms is your carnality proclaiming itself.

Barking Dogs Of Carnality; now there is a metal band destined for reknown and success! I reserve all rights but will license the name for reasonable remuneration....

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Barking Dogs Of Carnality; now there is a metal band destined for reknown and success! I reserve all rights but will license the name for reasonable remuneration....

Have fun kids!
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what makes you think people want to read all of this?

the point is that you are not the teacher. You can try and push your perspective down throats, then intellectualize and throw out scripture all day long. It is the Holy Spirit that will drive it home for a man or woman, not you.

God meets everyone right where they are, in whatever condition, and whatever level of surrender and intellect.

you missed the point of the joke, and are taking it to a place where it was not intended to go. who is the blowtard now?

You are doing your best to push people away. The heart of the law is MERCY.
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clappa

That was brilliant ... S&L i am putting on a GLP debate against a Jedi Knight latter on today and you would be perfect as the Emperor.
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That was brilliant ... S&L i am putting on a GLP debate against a Jedi Knight latter on today and you would be perfect as the Emperor.
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woohoo!!!
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magnus, i sent you a PM
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The problem with "knowledge" of course is that it is very much personal (individual).

So, and as the "public education system" and the "mass media" clearly shows, "collective" (shared) knowledge caters primarily to the lowest common denominator!
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the point is that you are not the teacher. You can try and push your perspective down throats, then intellectualize and throw out scripture all day long. It is the Holy Spirit that will drive it home for a man or woman, not you.
 Quoting: Salt & Light


Well, I am not exactly sure what this "Holy Spirit" is, but it is SELF that can get the knowledge since knowledge is very much personal!!!

All that the group (with its mob mentality) can do is to try to destroy (negate, falsify) one's personal knowledge...

But the one (1) that knows is usually complete and secure with its knowledge regardless of the group...and this is the key difference between personal reality vs. group reality, on any form.

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the point is that you are not the teacher. You can try and push your perspective down throats, then intellectualize and throw out scripture all day long. It is the Holy Spirit that will drive it home for a man or woman, not you.

Well, I am not exactly sure what this "Holy Spirit" is, but it is SELF that can get the knowledge since knowledge is very much personal!!!

All that the group (with its mob mentality) can do is to try to destroy (negate, falsify) one's personal knowledge...

But the one (1) that knows is usually complete and secure with its knowledge regardless of the group...and this is the key difference between personal reality vs. group reality, on any form.

+1 (Neo)
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there is no such thing is personal reality. the psychology of mind and behavior is ALL based on what we observe in ourselves and others, comparisons and contrasts, motivations, inhibitions, exhibitions....

the only way a person could have their own personal reality is if they were enclosed in a sealed black box since the dividing of the first cell, with no outside contact whatsoever. this person would not survive in this way.
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there is no such thing is personal reality. the psychology of mind and behavior is ALL based on what we observe in ourselves and others, comparisons and contrasts, motivations, inhibitions, exhibitions....
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Of course there is!

Personal reality and group reality are very much different expressions.

the only way a person could have their own personal reality is if they were enclosed in a sealed black box since the dividing of the first cell, with no outside contact whatsoever. this person would not survive in this way.
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Rubbish! Personal reality does not mean that one is isolated and/or disconnected, on the contrary!!!

Either case, followers are usually stuck in group reality while independent thinkers like myself are not...and it seems to me that you have yet to fully grasp what "reality" (code in execution) is on any of its forms.
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The problem with "knowledge" of course is that it is very much personal (individual).

So, and as the "public education system" and the "mass media" clearly shows, "collective" (shared) knowledge caters primarily to the lowest common denominator!
 Quoting: wirelessguru1


Actually, Knowledge Of God's Will, Being Enabled To Live/Keep HIS Statutes is not "very much personal" or individual. Such cannot be!

But you don't KNOW that. You offer conjecture.

Give your life in humble surrender Unto The Father and you will be Brought Into and Enabled to Live In HIS Accord.

God IS Constant and Never Changing.
You might have different timing, location, circumstances; but when 2 Born-Agains compare notes about their witness, What We Have Known and Seen Of-HIM in our lives; it is like meeting a cousin you've never seen at a family reunion. You each KNOW facts and mannerisms about your Grandfather, for example...

Nothing in the way of "individual Truth" about God at all...
There is no "secret" this or that. God IS Constant and never changing. I KNOW The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be just the same as any Apostle, Disciple, or other Born-Again who can witness Ezekiel 36:26-27.

Lots in Scripture about those who presumed upon HIM.
The foolish virgins, those Jesus Witnesses are "workers of iniquity", Mother Mary of whom HE Said, "Who is my mother to ME?" when she presumed...

The ignorance of the repliers and their lack of assent, inability to grasp my witness does not matter. Many read here and offer no comments, but seek in the Scripture and consider the witness that has been given.

Any who witness HIM to those of the world, or even the Laodicean "church", are greeted with derision and shunned. Such is the way of carnal-Christians, and the world HE Tells us will hate us for Loving HIM...

Jesus Witnesses in matt 13 of Knowledge being increased:
11. ...Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

The Way Unto The Father is via your heart.
If your heart cannot consider itself to be wretched and worthless without HIM Guiding your life, then such proves you are among them who Jesus Says cannot understand.

Certainly no sinners or PureHearts in or among this crowd. Those 2 extremes are the only Christians I have ever seen able to manifest their hearts Unto The Father.

Oh well...
Must remember that God's Will Is Always Perfect!
"You are what you are, and you ain't what you ain't", to quote John Prine.
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Actually, Knowledge Of God's Will, Being Enabled To Live/Keep HIS Statutes is not "very much personal" or individual. Such cannot be!

But you don't KNOW that. You offer conjecture.
 Quoting: Lester


..and you offer "religious" BS!

Look dude, you and your "invisible" God do not speak for me since my God is very much "personal"! So wake up!!!

Either case, who the "hell" are you to know what can or cannot be!?

+1 (Neo)

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