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Michael lee Hill here, you see, the one thing these debunkers can't do is actually talk about my footage, and the fact these objects can change dierection without "turning" of the aircraft which negates any known kind of aircraft, all they have left is personal insults to try to divert attention away from my footage.

They can't talk about the fact that experts have stated these orbs of light do not match any known FAA lights in color, or configuration, they breeze right over that.

They can't talk about my footage of these Orbs of light going into Lake Erie and also leaving the lake, that is a wierd plane? They breeze right over that.

As long as the dubunkers that hide a Internet message boards attack my footage, yet all the experts in the field such as Bill Birnes, The History Channel, Whiltey Strieber, David Sereda, Dan Akroyd, Bigelow, Jaime Maussan, etc. keep showing interest in my research and footage and know these are truly UFO's, do you really think I care if some internet asshat debunkers has to say?

All I can say is it's a good thing experts in the field do not agree with you.

UFO researcher/advocate Jim Dilettoso perform "spectral analysis" of video imagery of these exact same Double orbs of Light UFO's showing up Worldwide right now.

Jim Dilettoso proved these Ball Of Light/Plasma could not have been produced by a man-made source.

Dilettoso determined the amount of red, green and blue in the various video images and constructed histograms of the data, which were then compared to a database of known light sources such as flares, Lanterns, Planets, FAA lights, Etc.

The Balls of light UFO's do not match up to any known "spectral analysis" histograms of any known light sources, that was the conclusion.

Starts Aprox. one minute into this clip...


Cleveland Hopkins Airport stated that these objects were not in normal airport flight paths and that they were not picking up these objects on radar.



So, First off I would think if that is they were Airplanes that the actual airport would know about it? I would think if they were normal airplanes that they would also show up on the airports radar?

Also, the fact that these objects are appearing in pairs and switching locations with each other, making extremely dangerous aerial maneuvers.

Amateur self-declared experts say that these are consistent with aircraft traffic.

Yet, the FAA, who is much more credible, has released statements regarding the unknown illuminations over Lake Erie saying that they do NOT coincide with incoming aircraft traffic, that the light patterns are different, and that absolutely no air traffic controller has been tracking these lights. These lights have not been landing nor taking off from any airports near here.

Cleveland's Action 19 News investigated the matter by contacting all the three airports near my location: Burke, Hopkins, and Cuyahoga. All Cleveland airports have stated that these objects were not being tracked by air traffic control, which means they were not incoming or outgoing planes.

After all this, all these debunkers have to say is Nuh uh.... lala

The proof is all here, the videos, the investigation, the obvious attempted "debunking."

Look at these videos for yourselves.

I have not edited any of the videos, I have not enhanced any of the colors.

What you are seeing here are unexplained illuminations making formations that modern commercial aircraft are completely unable to do.

Moving on.

I have filmed these Orbbs of Light entering and leaving Lake Erie, That is strange behaviour for an airplane...



The following is from the History Channel show I was on, The history channel shows in this clip that these objects are showing up in restricted air zones, there is no airplanes even allowed to fly in these area's because of Power Plants.

The History Channel also proved and clearly states "they do not have the same appearance as FAA lights required by aircraft to display and the different color and pulses also do not match up to any known FAA Lights or police or Military vehicles.




This triangle UFO clip was recently featured on Mexico's equivalent of 20/20 by internationally known Jaime Maussan ... If there is no translation, watch the clip on youtube and press "CC" Button for an English translation.

Jaime Maussan exaplins in detail some of the other amazing things about this footage such as the Lights turning on and off and changing positions.

Jaime Maussan - UFO sightings over Lake Erie Pt. I
Jaime Maussan - UFO sightings over Lake Erie Pt. II


I am so tired of the they are just airplanes theory because when you actually look into it, that theory holds no water at all. So excuse me if I don't respond to these claims these objects are airplanes because it just sounds like you are saying they are swamp gas to me.

As I said, As you can see, they sure don't want to talk about the footage showing moves no conventional aircraft can make?

As I have also said, All of this truth will be revealed within a year so then you will know who was lying once and for all.

If this were an aircraft and it is travelling towards you and slightly to the right as well, then the two orbs of light would have to either be on each wing with the front of the aircraft facing you, or the right Orb may be the front of the Aircraft and the second orb in the tail if it were travelling from left to right?

In either situation, If the aircraft was flying towards you and then decided to change direction and begin travelling to the left, the aircraft would have to bank super hard and put the front of the aircraft then facing left if it was to fly to the left?

Common sense?

The light on the right of the two Orbs would have swing around and face you and the other orb would then be behind it further out over the lake when it begins to fly to the left obviously!!!!!


Common sense?


That does not happen in this video. The two Orbs of light remain exactly in the same position which means this craft did not change position in the sky yet it changed direction?

The only thing thant could do that is a hovering Anti-Gravity craft/object, and aircraft can't make that move, a heli-copter lights would change position as well.

So what is left? A UFO


Keep that in mind and check out this video...



Same night as the above video, only later on...


Check this link out for a still frame showing a laser beam coming from the left orb of this craft going right down into Lake Erie and so clear it is not questionable!

[link to s1200.photobucket.com]

Also these double Orb's of light have also been filmed all over the world as I said and have made mainstream news in other parts of the world...Over India!

These clips show the exact same UFO's I have filmed even doing the same moves only over India.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RVuBACSSWA&feature=related​


France 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv5FQ7bwhoI&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCk7Tj0PdAc


SO believe the debunkers if you are the type who can't tell the bullcrap from the real thing.

Or you can watch the video's I have presented here on this thread and learn from some of the best in the UFO research field who clearly state these in no way can be conventional Aircraft.

Listen to the actual experts or listen to these armchair internet UFO debunkers who's only audience is the internet message boards they troll.

The theory that they are airplanes only makes sense if it's an Airplane with non-FAA lights in color output and configuration that can change direction without actually turning and that can have lights/Laser going down into Lake Erie.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over the Actual FAA and local Airports.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over actual experts like Bigelow Aerospace, Bill Birnes, David Sereda, Jaime Maussan, Etc.

Until somebody can explain why all these folks are wrong and these folks who have not brought anything to the table then "Nuh Uh, They look like airplanes" are right over the experts, FAA, and local Airports, I am just going to ignore the Dubunkers until they bring some actual proof to the table to back up their claims, I have brought much research and actual proof to back up my claims, so until they do the same we don't have much to talk about.

Peace,
Michael Lee Hill
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Wow. Spam much?
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Wow. Spam much?
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No, Not really.
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Same videos over and over.

Look it up, same, nothing new with what is posted.
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Same videos over and over.

Look it up, same, nothing new with what is posted.
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All my words are brand new just for you, anything other than talk about it huh?
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Check the first history channel footage link, they travelled to Kokomo Indiana, which happens to be where the earthquake from today occurred. Also I've heard strange talk about military, bunker, etc etc existence in or around the area. Possible connections? Can orbs be a natural phenomenon, energy released from the earth, angelic/demonic beings, et, wondering why better HD footage doesn't exist, why no one drives a vehicle towards the lights and why they just hover for so long. Aren't they gong somewhere? 8 nights over Cleveland seems like some lame activity if you're an intergalactic spiritual being!
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Check the first history channel footage link, they travelled to Kokomo Indiana, which happens to be where the earthquake from today occurred. Also I've heard strange talk about military, bunker, etc etc existence in or around the area. Possible connections? Can orbs be a natural phenomenon, energy released from the earth, angelic/demonic beings, et, wondering why better HD footage doesn't exist, why no one drives a vehicle towards the lights and why they just hover for so long. Aren't they gong somewhere? 8 nights over Cleveland seems like some lame activity if you're an intergalactic spiritual being!
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They have been here a very long time.
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Where are all the shills & debunkers now?

This silence from you is a nice and refreshing change.

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there ya go, good night.
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Happy New Year!

It's gonna be a great one hf

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A lot of us don't need any convincing. I've seen them with my own eyes. Some people just need to have that experience, no amount of video will ever do it for them.
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Listen to the actual experts or listen to these armchair internet UFO debunkers who's only audience is the internet message boards they troll.

The theory that they are airplanes only makes sense if it's an Airplane with non-FAA lights in color output and configuration that can change direction without actually turning and that can have lights/Laser going down into Lake Erie.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over the Actual FAA and local Airports.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over actual experts like Bigelow Aerospace, Bill Birnes, David Sereda, Jaime Maussan, Etc.

Until somebody can explain why all these folks are wrong and these folks who have not brought anything to the table then "Nuh Uh, They look like airplanes" are right over the experts, FAA, and local Airports, I am just going to ignore the Dubunkers until they bring some actual proof to the table to back up their claims, I have brought much research and actual proof to back up my claims, so until they do the same we don't have much to talk about.

Peace,
Michael Lee Hill
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Michael lee Hill here, you see, the one thing these debunkers can't do is actually talk about my footage, and the fact these objects can change dierection without "turning" of the aircraft which negates any known kind of aircraft, all they have left is personal insults to try to divert attention away from my footage.

They can't talk about the fact that experts have stated these orbs of light do not match any known FAA lights in color, or configuration, they breeze right over that.

They can't talk about my footage of these Orbs of light going into Lake Erie and also leaving the lake, that is a wierd plane? They breeze right over that.

As long as the dubunkers that hide a Internet message boards attack my footage, yet all the experts in the field such as Bill Birnes, The History Channel, Whiltey Strieber, David Sereda, Dan Akroyd, Bigelow, Jaime Maussan, etc. keep showing interest in my research and footage and know these are truly UFO's, do you really think I care if some internet asshat debunkers has to say?

All I can say is it's a good thing experts in the field do not agree with you.

UFO researcher/advocate Jim Dilettoso perform "spectral analysis" of video imagery of these exact same Double orbs of Light UFO's showing up Worldwide right now.

Jim Dilettoso proved these Ball Of Light/Plasma could not have been produced by a man-made source.

Dilettoso determined the amount of red, green and blue in the various video images and constructed histograms of the data, which were then compared to a database of known light sources such as flares, Lanterns, Planets, FAA lights, Etc.

The Balls of light UFO's do not match up to any known "spectral analysis" histograms of any known light sources, that was the conclusion.

Starts Aprox. one minute into this clip...


Cleveland Hopkins Airport stated that these objects were not in normal airport flight paths and that they were not picking up these objects on radar.



So, First off I would think if that is they were Airplanes that the actual airport would know about it? I would think if they were normal airplanes that they would also show up on the airports radar?

Also, the fact that these objects are appearing in pairs and switching locations with each other, making extremely dangerous aerial maneuvers.

Amateur self-declared experts say that these are consistent with aircraft traffic.

Yet, the FAA, who is much more credible, has released statements regarding the unknown illuminations over Lake Erie saying that they do NOT coincide with incoming aircraft traffic, that the light patterns are different, and that absolutely no air traffic controller has been tracking these lights. These lights have not been landing nor taking off from any airports near here.

Cleveland's Action 19 News investigated the matter by contacting all the three airports near my location: Burke, Hopkins, and Cuyahoga. All Cleveland airports have stated that these objects were not being tracked by air traffic control, which means they were not incoming or outgoing planes.

After all this, all these debunkers have to say is Nuh uh.... lala

The proof is all here, the videos, the investigation, the obvious attempted "debunking."

Look at these videos for yourselves.

I have not edited any of the videos, I have not enhanced any of the colors.

What you are seeing here are unexplained illuminations making formations that modern commercial aircraft are completely unable to do.

Moving on.

I have filmed these Orbbs of Light entering and leaving Lake Erie, That is strange behaviour for an airplane...



The following is from the History Channel show I was on, The history channel shows in this clip that these objects are showing up in restricted air zones, there is no airplanes even allowed to fly in these area's because of Power Plants.

The History Channel also proved and clearly states "they do not have the same appearance as FAA lights required by aircraft to display and the different color and pulses also do not match up to any known FAA Lights or police or Military vehicles.




This triangle UFO clip was recently featured on Mexico's equivalent of 20/20 by internationally known Jaime Maussan ... If there is no translation, watch the clip on youtube and press "CC" Button for an English translation.

Jaime Maussan exaplins in detail some of the other amazing things about this footage such as the Lights turning on and off and changing positions.

Jaime Maussan - UFO sightings over Lake Erie Pt. I
Jaime Maussan - UFO sightings over Lake Erie Pt. II


I am so tired of the they are just airplanes theory because when you actually look into it, that theory holds no water at all. So excuse me if I don't respond to these claims these objects are airplanes because it just sounds like you are saying they are swamp gas to me.

As I said, As you can see, they sure don't want to talk about the footage showing moves no conventional aircraft can make?

As I have also said, All of this truth will be revealed within a year so then you will know who was lying once and for all.

If this were an aircraft and it is travelling towards you and slightly to the right as well, then the two orbs of light would have to either be on each wing with the front of the aircraft facing you, or the right Orb may be the front of the Aircraft and the second orb in the tail if it were travelling from left to right?

In either situation, If the aircraft was flying towards you and then decided to change direction and begin travelling to the left, the aircraft would have to bank super hard and put the front of the aircraft then facing left if it was to fly to the left?

Common sense?

The light on the right of the two Orbs would have swing around and face you and the other orb would then be behind it further out over the lake when it begins to fly to the left obviously!!!!!


Common sense?


That does not happen in this video. The two Orbs of light remain exactly in the same position which means this craft did not change position in the sky yet it changed direction?

The only thing thant could do that is a hovering Anti-Gravity craft/object, and aircraft can't make that move, a heli-copter lights would change position as well.

So what is left? A UFO


Keep that in mind and check out this video...



Same night as the above video, only later on...


Check this link out for a still frame showing a laser beam coming from the left orb of this craft going right down into Lake Erie and so clear it is not questionable!

[link to s1200.photobucket.com]

Also these double Orb's of light have also been filmed all over the world as I said and have made mainstream news in other parts of the world...Over India!

These clips show the exact same UFO's I have filmed even doing the same moves only over India.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RVuBACSSWA&feature=related​


France 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv5FQ7bwhoI&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCk7Tj0PdAc


SO believe the debunkers if you are the type who can't tell the bullcrap from the real thing.

Or you can watch the video's I have presented here on this thread and learn from some of the best in the UFO research field who clearly state these in no way can be conventional Aircraft.

Listen to the actual experts or listen to these armchair internet UFO debunkers who's only audience is the internet message boards they troll.

The theory that they are airplanes only makes sense if it's an Airplane with non-FAA lights in color output and configuration that can change direction without actually turning and that can have lights/Laser going down into Lake Erie.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over the Actual FAA and local Airports.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over actual experts like Bigelow Aerospace, Bill Birnes, David Sereda, Jaime Maussan, Etc.

Until somebody can explain why all these folks are wrong and these folks who have not brought anything to the table then "Nuh Uh, They look like airplanes" are right over the experts, FAA, and local Airports, I am just going to ignore the Dubunkers until they bring some actual proof to the table to back up their claims, I have brought much research and actual proof to back up my claims, so until they do the same we don't have much to talk about.

Peace,
Michael Lee Hill
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Listen to the actual experts or listen to these armchair internet UFO debunkers who's only audience is the internet message boards they troll.

The theory that they are airplanes only makes sense if it's an Airplane with non-FAA lights in color output and configuration that can change direction without actually turning and that can have lights/Laser going down into Lake Erie.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over the Actual FAA and local Airports.

The Theory they are only airplanes only makes sense if you choose to listen to internet message board debunkers over actual experts like Bigelow Aerospace, Bill Birnes, David Sereda, Jaime Maussan, Etc.

Until somebody can explain why all these folks are wrong and these folks who have not brought anything to the table then "Nuh Uh, They look like airplanes" are right over the experts, FAA, and local Airports, I am just going to ignore the Dubunkers until they bring some actual proof to the table to back up their claims, I have brought much research and actual proof to back up my claims, so until they do the same we don't have much to talk about.

Peace,
Michael Lee Hill
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Mufon sent an investigator out who actually did some in the field research and confirmed they were planes headed for Cleveland Hopkins airport.

The "armchair" experts would be those who for whatever reason didn't go out and carefully document these amazing UFOs that supposedly appeared over and over again at the same time every night.
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All I'm ever seeing in your posts is a revisiting of your 15 minutes of fame.
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I believe in and have actually seen UFO's. I also live 5 minutes away from the shores of Lake Erie and have seen those same lights!

They are airplanes. Some of them actually pass directly over my head and when they do, the once-uncertain display crystallizes into a form that is easily identified - they are airplanes!

The reason the news reporters say or imply otherwise is for ratings sake. It's sensationalism in an otherwise boring day.

The so-called experts only have the videos to look at. I live where these things are!!!

Look at you own videos, OP; the "UFO" follow the same flight corridors as regular aircraft.

There are also several private airfields nearby that aren't in your reports as well as a military airport.

The alleged UFO's also travel at the same speed as regular aircraft. They also turn in the same radius as regular aircraft and have the same approach slope as regular aircraft.

The only other flying objects that do that are regular aircraft. Now unless your UFO's are coming in on an FAA approved flightlock, I'd have to say that they are just regular aircraft.

And I am a firm believer in UFO's!
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Can you point out to me where in ANY of your posted videos there is any right angle high speed turns as you clalimed?
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I believe in and have actually seen UFO's. I also live 5 minutes away from the shores of Lake Erie and have seen those same lights!

They are airplanes. Some of them actually pass directly over my head and when they do, the once-uncertain display crystallizes into a form that is easily identified - they are airplanes!

The reason the news reporters say or imply otherwise is for ratings sake. It's sensationalism in an otherwise boring day.

The so-called experts only have the videos to look at. I live where these things are!!!

Look at you own videos, OP; the "UFO" follow the same flight corridors as regular aircraft.

There are also several private airfields nearby that aren't in your reports as well as a military airport.

The alleged UFO's also travel at the same speed as regular aircraft. They also turn in the same radius as regular aircraft and have the same approach slope as regular aircraft.

The only other flying objects that do that are regular aircraft. Now unless your UFO's are coming in on an FAA approved flightlock, I'd have to say that they are just regular aircraft.

And I am a firm believer in UFO's!
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But DUDE.......they got like an ex BLACK OP pilot man......like on camera man

what a complete bunch of shilltards

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