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I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 
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I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev.2:9

This subject has been brought up before many times @ GLP. Most of the time I ignore the threads because people post it for hate. SO no hate,here's my response

Who is the synagogue of Satan? Everyone likes to quote the above verse from Rev.2:9 but completely ignore the verse from Rev.2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

John wrote the Revelation around circa 95 AD Any Christian & most Jews would immediately know who Christ was referring to. A group of people who both claimed to be Apostles(Christians) & Jews


There is historically ONLY one group of people in the 1st & 2nd century who claimed they were Jews but were not... liars


Flavius Josephus who wrote at the end of the first century (just about the time John wrote Revelation). Identifies this group of people'

"When the Jews are in adversity they [the Samaritans] deny that they are kin to them, and THEN THEY CONFESS THE TRUTH; but when they perceive that some good fortune hath befallen them(Jews), they immediately PRETEND to have commune with them, saying, that they belong to them, and desire their genealogy from the posterity of Joseph, Ephraim, and Manasseh" (Antiquities, XI, 8, 6).


And again from Josephus

"And when they see the Jews in prosperity, they PRETEND they are changed and allied to them, and call them kinsmen, as though they were derived from Joseph, and had by that means an original alliance with them; but when they see them falling into a low condition, they say that they are no way related to them, and that the Jews have no right to expect any kindness or marks of KINDRED from them, but they declare that they are sojourners, that come from OTHER countries" (Antiquities, IX, 14, 3)

So in the 1st & 2nd cen. Samaritans claimed to be Jews but were liars. Did they have synagogues?

Samaritans customarily worshiped in synagogues each week in their homeland and did so in their extensive diaspora over the Roman Empire. There can be no doubt that this is the case. On the island of Delos in the Mediterranean, archaeologists have found the ruins of a Samaritan synagogue. This island was a major intermediate point where many vessels would stop in their travels to all areas of the Mediterranean. But this fact does not end the matter. Another Samaritan synagogue was found in Thessalonica where the apostle Paul spent some time teaching the Gospel (J. Schiby, Zion, A Samaritan Synagogue in Salonica, (1977), vol. 42, pp. 103–109, Hebrew).

So who claimed to be Christian yet were liars? The followers of Simon Magus,the founder of "Christian" gnosticism(according to early Christian writers) Who was Simon the Magus(Magician)

But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

So wehistorically have a group of people who claim to be both Jews & Christians

The synagogue of Satan are those "Samaritan-Christians" -- the followers of Simon Magus.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Look at the supreme court of Israel which is build by rothschild..no real jew would fill construction with occult symbolism.
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I think this is a good interpretation, but does not completely absolve those of Jewish ethnicity that use that status to perpetrate crimes, along with gentiles. Long story short, not all Jews are innocent or guilty, just like any other ethnicity or race, sex, group, whatever.
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Re: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Look at the supreme court of Israel which is build by rothschild..no real jew would fill construction with occult symbolism.
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lol thats your rebuttal? "real Jews" wouldn't use occult symbols? Read Ezekiel 8 and then get back to me
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I think this is a good interpretation, but does not completely absolve those of Jewish ethnicity that use that status to perpetrate crimes, along with gentiles. Long story short, not all Jews are innocent or guilty, just like any other ethnicity or race, sex, group, whatever.
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I completely agree. But this verse Rev.2:9 is warped,twisted AND NOT UNDERSTOOD.... for evil
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Re: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
I think this is a good interpretation, but does not completely absolve those of Jewish ethnicity that use that status to perpetrate crimes, along with gentiles. Long story short, not all Jews are innocent or guilty, just like any other ethnicity or race, sex, group, whatever.

I completely agree. But this verse Rev.2:9 is warped,twisted AND NOT UNDERSTOOD.... for evil
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That is very true. Though the disproportionate number of Jewish people in positions of power always lends itself to suspicion, plus this verse and the next one at 3:9, creates an idea that is only looked at on the surface.
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When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
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Hey me! I pray that the New Year finds you & yours blessed

hf
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Look at the supreme court of Israel which is build by rothschild..no real jew would fill construction with occult symbolism.
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This.
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Look at the supreme court of Israel which is build by rothschild..no real jew would fill construction with occult symbolism.



This.
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Again...Read Ezekiel 8 and then get back to me
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Re: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Jews wrote the bible, duh. "Chosen people" pfft. Like an almighty god has nothing better to do than write a book about his chosen people. lol
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Re: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
google "glp psyop"
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Hey me! I pray that the New Year finds you & yours blessed

hf
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And I am sending prayers to you my friend.
Happy New Year for you and your family!

God Bless! hf hugs
When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Isaiah 26:9

"Exposing Those Who Contradict"
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"For as in Adam ALL die, so also in the Messiah will ALL be made alive."
[link to www.tentmaker.org]
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Re: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
That message was to the church in Smyrna. Were there a lot of Samaritans in Smyrna at the time? Does your interpretation make sense?
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Jews wrote the bible, duh. "Chosen people" pfft. Like an almighty god has nothing better to do than write a book about his chosen people. lol
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7491t9 You sound jealous to me.
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That message was to the church in Smyrna. Were there a lot of Samaritans in Smyrna at the time?
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Yes...there was def. a Samaritan presence


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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Jews wrote the bible, duh. "Chosen people" pfft. Like an almighty god has nothing better to do than write a book about his chosen people. lol

:7491t9: You sound jealous to me.
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Not hardly. Christians are morons, and jews are scum. They deserve each other.
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That message was to the church in Smyrna. Were there a lot of Samaritans in Smyrna at the time?

Yes...there was def. a Samaritan presence


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Asia is a pretty big place. Were there Samaritans in Smyrna? Why would Jesus warn the Smyrnans about the Samaritans?
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I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev.2:9

This subject has been brought up before many times @ GLP. Most of the time I ignore the threads because people post it for hate. SO no hate,here's my response

Who is the synagogue of Satan? Everyone likes to quote the above verse from Rev.2:9 but completely ignore the verse from Rev.2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

John wrote the Revelation around circa 95 AD Any Christian & most Jews would immediately know who Christ was referring to. A group of people who both claimed to be Apostles(Christians) & Jews


There is historically ONLY one group of people in the 1st & 2nd century who claimed they were Jews but were not... liars


Flavius Josephus who wrote at the end of the first century (just about the time John wrote Revelation). Identifies this group of people'

"When the Jews are in adversity they [the Samaritans] deny that they are kin to them, and THEN THEY CONFESS THE TRUTH; but when they perceive that some good fortune hath befallen them(Jews), they immediately PRETEND to have commune with them, saying, that they belong to them, and desire their genealogy from the posterity of Joseph, Ephraim, and Manasseh" (Antiquities, XI, 8, 6).


And again from Josephus

"And when they see the Jews in prosperity, they PRETEND they are changed and allied to them, and call them kinsmen, as though they were derived from Joseph, and had by that means an original alliance with them; but when they see them falling into a low condition, they say that they are no way related to them, and that the Jews have no right to expect any kindness or marks of KINDRED from them, but they declare that they are sojourners, that come from OTHER countries" (Antiquities, IX, 14, 3)

So in the 1st & 2nd cen. Samaritans claimed to be Jews but were liars. Did they have synagogues?

Samaritans customarily worshiped in synagogues each week in their homeland and did so in their extensive diaspora over the Roman Empire. There can be no doubt that this is the case. On the island of Delos in the Mediterranean, archaeologists have found the ruins of a Samaritan synagogue. This island was a major intermediate point where many vessels would stop in their travels to all areas of the Mediterranean. But this fact does not end the matter. Another Samaritan synagogue was found in Thessalonica where the apostle Paul spent some time teaching the Gospel (J. Schiby, Zion, A Samaritan Synagogue in Salonica, (1977), vol. 42, pp. 103–109, Hebrew).

So who claimed to be Christian yet were liars? The followers of Simon Magus,the founder of "Christian" gnosticism(according to early Christian writers) Who was Simon the Magus(Magician)

But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:

So wehistorically have a group of people who claim to be both Jews & Christians

The synagogue of Satan are those "Samaritan-Christians" -- the followers of Simon Magus.
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This is what I also came to understand from the Lord Himself, that the Christian Gentiles, who NOW CLAIM THEY are Jews of the alledged lost ten tribes, THESE Gentile's claim puts them IN PLACE of physical, yet unredeemed Israel today. They DELEGITIMIZE the natural root BY CLAIMING TO BE THE TRUE natural root, but LIE.
They even now worship on the Sabath, they "study torah', these are a "new" synogog, an synogog of SATAN because they deny the true root, they deny prophecy by changing and twisting its TRUE meaning and taking the inheritance FOR THEMSELVES.
Ez. 35:10
"Because you have said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there.."
Revelation 1:7 "Behold, He comes with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen."

Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
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That message was to the church in Smyrna. Were there a lot of Samaritans in Smyrna at the time?

Yes...there was def. a Samaritan presence


[link to books.google.com]

Asia is a pretty big place. Were there Samaritans in Smyrna? Why would Jesus warn the Smyrnans about the Samaritans?
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The same reason Luke explicitly wrote about the Samaritan Simon Magus in Acts 18. He & his followers were not only claiming to be Jews,but Christians also. They were combining Judaism/Christianity & paganism into one religion.

Several of the NT writers warn of this,but John hits hard at the Samaritans in his Gospel, as well as the book of Revelation. He was the only Gospel writer who mentions the incident of the Samaritan woman at the well. He saw it absolutely necessary by his time, for doing so.

Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:9 & 22
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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In truth, those who coven on "Sun Mountain", in fact worship Cronos (time-space), which is why they hold the Saturn day holy. The Chiun is their corresponding religous talisman, which was equated by the ancient Chaldean's of Babylonia with 666. Saturn being the 6th planet celebrated on the 6th day.

"Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon."

The Universalic practicioners of Ashteroth and Mithras are just as bad if not worse.

The great secret is, the "ruler" of this (physical time-space) realm is not actually the ONE that guides it. Why else would an offer to abdicate time-space be rejected?

Spirit precedes and is much greater than matter. E=MC2
(Try and keep that in mind all of you budding materialists.)

Look within. Seek nothing at All.
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Your all way off with your bullshit when the truth is far more simpler , the jews were told not to sleep or marry gentiles or other races to keep pure and stay within the race So the term jew is a specific bloodline , the bloodline of jacob ...

In the bible it says the fake jews would have the fat of the land , ie they own everything and it says they are the synogog of satan ,

now if we look at the jews that own everything the zionist agenda , they are khazarian converts to jadaism they might of live there for years but they are still converts , they are not the bloodline of jacob

the real jews are under the curse of god till they return to god in the new kingdom and accept him and his laws , they dont own anything now cos they are still under the curses ... who are the real jews , well almost impossible to tell , the black hebrew isrealites are claiming it , the white radicals are claiming it , who is to know ...

But in the bible the synogog of satan is wiped out and the new kingdom is with jews muslims and christians ...
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But in the bible the synogog of satan is wiped out and the new kingdom is with jews muslims and christians ...
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Are Muslims mentioned in the bible?
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Re: I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
I think this is a good interpretation, but does not completely absolve those of Jewish ethnicity that use that status to perpetrate crimes, along with gentiles. Long story short, not all Jews are innocent or guilty, just like any other ethnicity or race, sex, group, whatever.
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Jewishness is not an ethnicity. It is an inherited system of superstition. Jewish can be black, Asian, or any of a dozen white ethnic groups.
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there are 12 million Jews in the world today

6 million in Israel 6 million in the USA. a few are still scattered about in other countries. there are like zero in any Moslem countries.

6 million Jews were killed in wwII. the devil wants them all dead. if the Jews can all be killed God's promise to redeem them would be nullified. this is the enemy plan -- to thwart God's Word.

even though these current Jews we have are secular, and or refuse to recognize their Messiah Jesus Christ, yes, even if they are evil -- this does NOT abrogate God's Word. the Lord is faithful to perform His Word -- It will not return to Him void.

and the old testament is full of promises not yet fulfilled. the covenants made with Abraham and Jacob have never been withdrawn. it is for God's own sake, and for the sake of His promises to the Hebrew ancestors, thst He will protect and redeem Israel.

these 12 million Jews are the descendents of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. the covenant people. we have the human genome project showing this. we also have them following their unique heritage and customs through the millenia. celebrating their holidays. and we have them persecuted, scattered, hated, reviled, killed, etc and ultimately they have returned to their land just as prophesied.

just as God said. ;-)

to me those who claim to be Jews but are not are any people who would usurp the position God has given to the Jews -- either to falsely claim their covenant and or to deny the Jews are still the covenant people.

Gos is going to continue to defend Israel and the Jews no matter what any of us do. if we don't wish to support them we are best off staying out of the way. things have never gone well for those who have attacked them and in the near future this will be the case as well.

still whoever blesses them is blessed, whoever curses them is cursed. and this has continued through time, and will continue right up to the end

love peace and joy

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Look at the supreme court of Israel which is build by rothschild..no real jew would fill construction with occult symbolism.
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real Jews fell away to idolatry friend -- it's all in the Bible :-)

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I think this is a good interpretation, but does not completely absolve those of Jewish ethnicity that use that status to perpetrate crimes, along with gentiles. Long story short, not all Jews are innocent or guilty, just like any other ethnicity or race, sex, group, whatever.
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none of us are righteous, no not one. we all fall short of the glory of God and need the Blood of Jesus to take away our sin. the free gift -- the cup of the new covenant -- is Jesus' Blood shed for many, including the Jews.

still the new covenant does not annnul all the older covenants which God has not declared void. and the ot tells us all Israel will be saved. the nt repeats this ;-)

the Jews are a unique, distinct people with unique distinct covenant promises and we are best off regarding this, and taking God at His Word.

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Jews wrote the bible, duh. "Chosen people" pfft. Like an almighty god has nothing better to do than write a book about his chosen people. lol
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have you read the Bible? it does not reflect well on the Jews at all

God has been and is continuing to use the Jewish people to show the world Who He Is -- not because the Jews are super special -- but because He Is.

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You really trust anyhing Josephus says? A self confessed traitor of his own people?

Samaritans were living in Israel when the babylonian exile elite returned. The hatred between these two groups was simply unbelievable. The Samaritans have been pretty much exterminated though a tiny remnant remains. They have been unable to defend themselves because so little of their history survives. We know they hated the temple elite in Jerusalem. That was their main crime.

Your God Jesus takes a more sympathetic approach to the Samaritans. Perhaps you should follow the example of your God-master?
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Your God Jesus condemned Pharisees and sadducees but he never condemned samaritans. the sadducees pretty much dissappeared after the destruction of the temple but the pharisees became the foundation of modern rabbinical judaism. They are still around. Wouldn't your god Jesus condemn them today? If not, why not?
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You really trust anyhing Josephus says? A self confessed traitor of his own people?

Samaritans were living in Israel when the babylonian exile elite returned.

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And before the Babylonian exile



And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.


They also brought their Babylonian gods with them


Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.

And the men of Babylon made Succothbenoth, and the men of Cuth made Nergal, and the men of Hamath made Ashima,

And the Avites made Nibhaz and Tartak, and the Sepharvites burnt their children in fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim.

Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the LORD, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the LORD commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel;

2 Kings 17
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

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