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U. S. JUDGE FINES AGORA SUBSIDIARY AND EDITOR $1.5 M FOR SECURITIES FRAUD

An investment newsletter’s publisher and its editor have been hit with $1.5 million in financial penalties after a U. S. federal judge determined they defrauded their own subscribers in a securities scam.

Judgment in favor of the Securities Exchange Commission and against Maryland-based Pirate Investor LLC, now called Stansberry & Associates Investment Research, LLC, and Frank Porter Stansberry was issued at the U. S. District Court for the District of Maryland on August 1, 2007 – 28 months after the completion of a bench trial. The penalty comprises disgorgement of $1.3 million in profits and interest from the fraudulent activity, for which Pirate Investor and Stansberry are jointly and severally liable, plus a fine of $120,000 against each defendant.


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what about social security and medicare witholding?
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so if you have tax witholding from working for someone else how do you go about getting 'lawful money' for that first year if the bank gives out nothing but federal reserve notes? By simply stamping that note on every paycheck?
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Yes and the deposit slip. From what I understand. rken
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How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)?

How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)?

How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax?

If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later?


People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977.

Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions.

As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4.

Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that.

The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands.

As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX
are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value.

Send it Registered mail to your bank.


Thank You! I've been looking into this for some time. I had a bit of a rough time with the IRS and want to be free of them, but I thought it wise to be square with them before starting this tactic. As of this years 1040, I'll be square. I want to start doing this immediately, but because of my past issues with the IRS, I definitely want to be sure I have recourse if and when they come after me again. I think I'll make a trip to my local IRS office and ask some questions about this technique. I will bookmark this thread and post whatever info (if any) I'm able to glean from the evil bastards.
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Remember, ignorance of the law is not a defense. The IRS is a collection agency for the Fed. If you used their product, unredeemed Federal Reserve Notes, you owe them a fee.

Get square with them, you can negotiate with them once they know you are willing and have to pay them something, then start living lawfully.

When one obeys the law, the law is there to protect them.

The Constitution clearly spells out what is Lawful money, once you live by the law of the land (the Constitution) by redeeming lawful money, you get the benefits of the protection of the Law of the land.

That means you actually PAY FOR WHAT YOU BUY. Land, products, etc.

There is much more to this than just income tax.

*Without prejudice*
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OP, have you done this yet?
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How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)?

How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)?

How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax?

If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later?


People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977.

Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions.

As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4.

Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that.

The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands.

As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX
are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value.

Send it Registered mail to your bank.


Thank You! I've been looking into this for some time. I had a bit of a rough time with the IRS and want to be free of them, but I thought it wise to be square with them before starting this tactic. As of this years 1040, I'll be square. I want to start doing this immediately, but because of my past issues with the IRS, I definitely want to be sure I have recourse if and when they come after me again. I think I'll make a trip to my local IRS office and ask some questions about this technique. I will bookmark this thread and post whatever info (if any) I'm able to glean from the evil bastards.


Remember, ignorance of the law is not a defense. The IRS is a collection agency for the Fed. If you used their product, unredeemed Federal Reserve Notes, you owe them a fee.

Get square with them, you can negotiate with them once they know you are willing and have to pay them something, then start living lawfully.

When one obeys the law, the law is there to protect them.

The Constitution clearly spells out what is Lawful money, once you live by the law of the land (the Constitution) by redeeming lawful money, you get the benefits of the protection of the Law of the land.

That means you actually PAY FOR WHAT YOU BUY. Land, products, etc.

There is much more to this than just income tax.

*Without prejudice*
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You are referring to living with out credit cards and banks loan I think. right. rken
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U. S. JUDGE FINES AGORA SUBSIDIARY AND EDITOR $1.5 M FOR SECURITIES FRAUD

An investment newsletter’s publisher and its editor have been hit with $1.5 million in financial penalties after a U. S. federal judge determined they defrauded their own subscribers in a securities scam.

Judgment in favor of the Securities Exchange Commission and against Maryland-based Pirate Investor LLC, now called Stansberry & Associates Investment Research, LLC, and Frank Porter Stansberry was issued at the U. S. District Court for the District of Maryland on August 1, 2007 – 28 months after the completion of a bench trial. The penalty comprises disgorgement of $1.3 million in profits and interest from the fraudulent activity, for which Pirate Investor and Stansberry are jointly and severally liable, plus a fine of $120,000 against each defendant.


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12 United States code is their Code that made Federal Reserve Banks.

Nobody is selling anything, nor giving legal advise, just letting people know the law.

Income tax is 100 legal and lawful, it is also contractual and like any contract, it can be controlled with the law.
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OP, have you done this yet?
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NO I just found out about it today. I live in Thailand at present, but will be returning soon. I have income from property and will be setting up payments using this system. rken
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OP, have you done this yet?

NO I just found out about it today. I live in Thailand at present, but will be returning soon. I have income from property and will be setting up payments using this system. rken
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Is there any proof that this will work?
Has anyone done it yet?
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won't they just change the rules like they did during the pre-game collapse when too many people try to do this?
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U. S. JUDGE FINES AGORA SUBSIDIARY AND EDITOR $1.5 M FOR SECURITIES FRAUD

An investment newsletter’s publisher and its editor have been hit with $1.5 million in financial penalties after a U. S. federal judge determined they defrauded their own subscribers in a securities scam.

Judgment in favor of the Securities Exchange Commission and against Maryland-based Pirate Investor LLC, now called Stansberry & Associates Investment Research, LLC, and Frank Porter Stansberry was issued at the U. S. District Court for the District of Maryland on August 1, 2007 – 28 months after the completion of a bench trial. The penalty comprises disgorgement of $1.3 million in profits and interest from the fraudulent activity, for which Pirate Investor and Stansberry are jointly and severally liable, plus a fine of $120,000 against each defendant.


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12 United States code is their Code that made Federal Reserve Banks.

Nobody is selling anything, nor giving legal advise, just letting people know the law.

Income tax is 100 legal and lawful, it is also contractual and like any contract, it can be controlled with the law.
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Operative word here is contractual. End the contract. Use lawful money. You currently have a contract will the FED to pay income tax for using their money. End the contracts you have to pay them to use their money. Its Over. rken
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OP, we need proof that it works.
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That means you actually PAY FOR WHAT YOU BUY. Land, products, etc.

There is much more to this than just income tax.

*Without prejudice*

You are referring to living with out credit cards and banks loan I think. right. rken
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With any big purchase, I would either use lawful money and have the receipt reflect that fact (US postal money orders are lawful money too, and can be bought with lawful money to prove ownership).

In contracts, simply make it a matter of the contract that all sums will be paid or collected in lawful money, there is your demand.

Credit cards are private contracts, the credit card company will not care if the money you pay them is lawful or not, they accept legal tender.

Have you never wondered why a $5000 dollar credit card or credit line is not reported on your tax return as taxable income?

Ask yourself "Where did this credit come from?" If it did not come from the Federal Reserve, it is not taxable, right?

If I find a Federal Reserve BILL on the ground, it is lawful money the second I pick it up. I will even write ON THE BACK of the BILL "LAWFUL MONEY PER 12-USC-411" to record my demand.
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won't they just change the rules like they did during the pre-game collapse when too many people try to do this?
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They will have to change the Constitution to do it, so we will know if it happens.

Congress only has the power to coin money, that is why they have to have the Federal Reserve issue fiat currency (legal tender).

They may circumvent the law, with your endorsement (as one of the people) but they cannot make you a party to it without your consent, which you give with your endorsement.
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won't they just change the rules like they did during the pre-game collapse when too many people try to do this?
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If you watch the vids, especially #3, but I would watch them all. It is explained and sites the laws on the books at the present time. It would take an act of congress to change the laws and the constitution. Contract law which is what this falls under, superceeds constitutional law when a contract exists. So as long as you have a contract with the feds, receive a benefit ie. using their notes you owe them. rken
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OP, we need proof that it works.
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Do it yourself and be the proof, there has never been a case with the IRS, so there is no court rulings on the matter.

Some people are doing this and still paying income tax by choice, but at least they now have a choice.

BTW, this does not work for Corporate income, which is usually taxable income.
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Still need proof it works OP.
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If some lawyer type could research this case, we could probably learn a lot from it.

United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10 th Cir. 1980) - The court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer's argument that "the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, § 8, United States Constitution."
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OP, we need proof that it works.


Do it yourself and be the proof, there has never been a case with the IRS, so there is no court rulings on the matter.

Some people are doing this and still paying income tax by choice, but at least they now have a choice.

BTW, this does not work for Corporate income, which is usually taxable income.
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I don't feel like getting tazered and beat up.
I guess I'll wait until there's proof that it'll work.
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Make no mistake, people, the Constitution is clear:

"The power of the people to contact is unlimited."

You power to contract is extra-constitutional, when you endorse Federal Reserve credit, you give congress YOUR PERMISSION to ignore the Constitution.

That again, is why they can truthfully say "Income tax is 100% voluntary!"

Its all contracts!!!
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Interesting ideas. I believe that a moderately wealthy person could create a not for profit medical insurance policy or a co-operative credit union. Big cog
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If some lawyer type could research this case, we could probably learn a lot from it.

United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10 th Cir. 1980) - The court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer's argument that "the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, § 8, United States Constitution."
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That's right, all he had to do was demand his lawful money (which he did not do in that case) and those notes would have become "lawful money".

Just because they are not lawful money does not mean they are not redeemable for lawful money upon demand.

I have already said, his power to contract has nothing to do with the lawful money meaning of Art. 1, sub-chapter 8 of the constitution.

He used the product of the Federal Reserve, the question before the court was not "Was the product of the Federal Reserve lawful money." It was a simple question of "did he use the product or not?"

Clearly, he did, so he owed them a fee for it.

Was there a question in your post?
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Well folks keep the ball rolling its 3:40am here and I have to get to bed. Keep bumping and staring please perhaps we can get it pinned. I will be back in about 6 hrs. Take care. This can work. Watch the vids. and special thanks to our guest OP for sharing all his knowledge. Night all. rken
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Here is another link to the video, uncut.

[link to video.google.com]

Again, thanks David, for all the work.
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If some lawyer type could research this case, we could probably learn a lot from it.

United States v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, 184 (10 th Cir. 1980) - The court affirmed the conviction for willfully failing to file a return and rejected the taxpayer's argument that "the Federal Reserve Notes in which he was paid were not lawful money within the meaning of Art. 1, § 8, United States Constitution."


That's right, all he had to do was demand his lawful money (which he did not do in that case) and those notes would have become "lawful money".

Just because they are not lawful money does not mean they are not redeemable for lawful money upon demand.

I have already said, his power to contract has nothing to do with the lawful money meaning of Art. 1, sub-chapter 8 of the constitution.

He used the product of the Federal Reserve, the question before the court was not "Was the product of the Federal Reserve lawful money." It was a simple question of "did he use the product or not?"

Clearly, he did, so he owed them a fee for it.

Was there a question in your post?
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No question, just digging, trying to get the info out there. I don't know how to look up cases, but this one looked relevant. I got the impression that it went down just as you stated. It looks pretty sneaky on the gub'mint's part. His argument was that he was not paid in lawful money, which was true, but since he had not converted his notes into lawful money, it had no bearing on his case.
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For later, Again.
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I will be back in about 6 hrs.
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I read that as:
"I will be back in about 6 yrs."
And I'm like:
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No question, just digging, trying to get the info out there. I don't know how to look up cases, but this one looked relevant. I got the impression that it went down just as you stated. It looks pretty sneaky on the gub'mint's part. His argument was that he was not paid in lawful money, which was true, but since he had not converted his notes into lawful money, it had no bearing on his case.
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You got it exactly. The Government knows that FRNs are not lawful money (according to the Constitution) but in effect, we make it lawful by using it (acceptance makes contract and law) that is why they have ruled over and over they are "legal tender" and have never changed the original Title 12 to say they cannot or will not be redeemed for "lawful money".

They have to provide you and I a way to obey and uphold the law (the Constitution) by redeeming lawful money upon demand.

The physical changing of one form of money to another is, under title 12, to be done at the Treasury or at any Federal reserve bank, so let them take care of it.

It is the demand and record of it that binds the courts, the banks, the Federal Reserve and the IRS to the law.
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Bump to examine more closely.