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Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
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Has anyone tried to contact disgruntled, death-bed or whistleblower judges or lawyers? Seems this is a good way to peck away at the mountain of info needed. JPL scientists regularly give death bed confessions, maybe we can turn the tide if this avenue can be tapped. Just sayin'.
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<SNIP>
What they did with a bond, which may or may not have been created upon my birth is irrelevant for I do not feel it incorporates any of my sweat equity. I have read and heard of people using and trying to use A4V in ways that I for one find not to my liking and in opposition to all the freeman movement stands for. Something for nothing and chick for free.lol

But I'm open to changing my views if valid proof can be presented of first of all the validity of the process and a sound moral basis. rken
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The bond is as phoney as the rest of the fiat edifice. However, when they ask you to pay taxes to pay off the bond - That's when the theft of your labor and your productivity takes place.

All bonds are actually like that; Thomas Edison and Henry Ford were 100% correct when they made their announcement at the Muscle Shoals project.

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“That is to say, under the old way any time we wish to add to the national wealth we are compelled to add to the national debt.

“Now, that is what Henry Ford wants to prevent. He thinks it is stupid, and so do I, that for the loan of $30,000,000 of their own money the people of the United States should be compelled to pay $66,000,000 — that is what it amounts to, with interest. People who will not turn a shovelful of dirt nor contribute a pound of material will collect more money from the United States than will the people who supply the material and do the work. That is the terrible thing about interest. In all our great bond issues the interest is always greater than the principal. All of the great public works cost more than twice the actual cost, on that account. Under the present system of doing business we simply add 120 to 150 per cent, to the stated cost.

“But here is the point: If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20 per cent, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who directly contribute to Muscle Shoals in some useful way.

” … if the Government issues currency, it provides itself with enough money to increase the national wealth at Muscles Shoals without disturbing the business of the rest of the country. And in doing this it increases its income without adding a penny to its debt.

“It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30,000,000 in bonds and not $30,000,000 in currency. Both are promises to pay; but one promise fattens the usurer, and the other helps the people. If the currency issued by the Government were no good, then the bonds issued would be no good either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to increase the national wealth, must go into debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious values of gold.

“Look at it another way. If the Government issues bonds, the brokers will sell them. The bonds will be negotiable; they will be considered as gilt edged paper. Why? Because the government is behind them, but who is behind the Government? The people. Therefore it is the people who constitute the basis of Government credit. Why then cannot the people have the benefit of their own gilt-edged credit by receiving non-interest bearing currency on Muscle Shoals, instead of the bankers receiving the benefit of the people’s credit in interest-bearing bonds?”
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Go to the article to see bolded and italicized material.
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Always the best content from these proidiguos writers.
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This is one way to shake the banking cartel
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Remember, the banks have the legal right to fraction deposits, which means for each $1 they get, they can now loan $1. (there is a ZERO reserve now, since the bailout).
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Try closer to 1:9.

A new bank opens and gets it's startup from the central bank in the sum of $1000. From that $1000 they can now loan $9000.

Here's where the fun starts.

Thanks to fractional reserve banking, that bank can now loan out at a ratio of 9:1 on that deposit. Enter Joe.

Joe takes out a loan from NewBanc to buy a car he wants for $9000. ($8000 of which never existed beyond the balance sheets in the first place) He gives that $9000 to Sally for the car and she deposits it into her bank.

If this bank is also NewBanc, then they can only loan out a divisor of the fractional base instead of a multiplier, or 9:1, on Sally's deposit.

So, there is now around $8000 that can be loaned off Sally's deposit.

Each time that $9000 (of which only $1000 existed in the first place) changes hands in the same bank, around 9% less can be loaned off it, but it still adds up FAST. We're talking around $50k on the 6th rotation that doesn't even exist anywhere other than the promise/signature of the debtee to pay.

If the money were to never leave the loop of the same bank as it did in this hypothetical scenario above, it would dilute itself to an eventual 1:1.

I could be off on this or over-simplifying it, someone will correct me if I'm off, count on it. :P

I would say that everyone should watch at least the first 20 minutes of this video at least once.

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Thanks for the vids. rken
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The bottom line is...until and unless the system is FUNDAMENTALLY changed (get rid of the Fed, for example), the government will insist on collecting taxes, whether it is legal, illegal, logical, or illogical...because they NEED the money to keep their Ponzi schemes going. They will do whatever it takes to GET that money and unfortunately schemes like the OP's will not ultimately work. The government will insist that you pay them their protection money or you WILL go to jail for a long, long, long time. Tax evasion is really the only "crime" they take seriously. They'd release a serial pedophile and ax murderer faster than a tax evader.
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The bottom line is...until and unless the system is FUNDAMENTALLY changed (get rid of the Fed, for example), the government will insist on collecting taxes, whether it is legal, illegal, logical, or illogical...because they NEED the money to keep their Ponzi schemes going. They will do whatever it takes to GET that money and unfortunately schemes like the OP's will not ultimately work. The government will insist that you pay them their protection money or you WILL go to jail for a long, long, long time. Tax evasion is really the only "crime" they take seriously. They'd release a serial pedophile and ax murderer faster than a tax evader.
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Tell that to the 50 plus people I know who are currently getting refunds from with holding or paying no taxes on their incomes. Some have been doing it for 4 years. Its not a scheme and its not tax evasion. It called not having to pay a users fee for using a private corporations money, namely the fed. sk
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The bottom line is...until and unless the system is FUNDAMENTALLY changed (get rid of the Fed, for example), the government will insist on collecting taxes, whether it is legal, illegal, logical, or illogical...because they NEED the money to keep their Ponzi schemes going. They will do whatever it takes to GET that money and unfortunately schemes like the OP's will not ultimately work. The government will insist that you pay them their protection money or you WILL go to jail for a long, long, long time. Tax evasion is really the only "crime" they take seriously. They'd release a serial pedophile and ax murderer faster than a tax evader.
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Tell that to the 50 plus people I know who are currently getting refunds from with holding or paying no taxes on their incomes. Some have been doing it for 4 years. Its not a scheme and its not tax evasion. It called not having to pay a users fee for using a private corporations money, namely the fed. sk
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Are you serious?
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The bottom line is...until and unless the system is FUNDAMENTALLY changed (get rid of the Fed, for example), the government will insist on collecting taxes, whether it is legal, illegal, logical, or illogical...because they NEED the money to keep their Ponzi schemes going. They will do whatever it takes to GET that money and unfortunately schemes like the OP's will not ultimately work. The government will insist that you pay them their protection money or you WILL go to jail for a long, long, long time. Tax evasion is really the only "crime" they take seriously. They'd release a serial pedophile and ax murderer faster than a tax evader.
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Tell that to the 50 plus people I know who are currently getting refunds from with holding or paying no taxes on their incomes. Some have been doing it for 4 years. Its not a scheme and its not tax evasion. It called not having to pay a users fee for using a private corporations money, namely the fed. sk
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Are you serious?
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Yes, I have many friends currently doing this, with no problems. sk
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The bottom line is...until and unless the system is FUNDAMENTALLY changed (get rid of the Fed, for example), the government will insist on collecting taxes, whether it is legal, illegal, logical, or illogical...because they NEED the money to keep their Ponzi schemes going. They will do whatever it takes to GET that money and unfortunately schemes like the OP's will not ultimately work. The government will insist that you pay them their protection money or you WILL go to jail for a long, long, long time. Tax evasion is really the only "crime" they take seriously. They'd release a serial pedophile and ax murderer faster than a tax evader.
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Tell that to the 50 plus people I know who are currently getting refunds from with holding or paying no taxes on their incomes. Some have been doing it for 4 years. Its not a scheme and its not tax evasion. It called not having to pay a users fee for using a private corporations money, namely the fed. sk
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Are you serious?
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Yes, I have many friends currently doing this, with no problems. sk
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I know of people doing this as well. I for one, never filed for a return of the "taxes" I actually paid after redeeming lawful money. It was already gone and I had no desire to get it.

I stopped filing a tax return after that year (3 years ago). I still encourage people if they choose to do so, file and pay or get your refund after redeeming lawful money.

I assure you, the IRS will still take your money (even if they cannot fractionalize a lawful money payment). Of course, demand lawful money and restrict your endorsement on the returns and the payment or deposit of any return or payment.

This is not a Tax scam, the thread has more than enough proof of that, obey the law and there is nothing they can do, well, there is, but criminals are a fact of life in government or the street.

Are you really that afraid of either? If so, obeying the law or not will not protect you.

Good to see you all.
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good info
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Have you guys watched "The Season of Treason" from Kurt K?

There is a part II also, and I believe the whole thing is being redone so as to make a better presentation.
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Search for "The Redemption Manual" 4.5 version
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Come home and visit - ok?
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Here is a great video that probably should have its own thread, for anyone interested in getting a clear title to their property, that gives them sovereign right to it. Rken

[link to www.youtube.com]

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hey 708...

check out this piece about the gold standard and new 100 dollar bill.

explanation of the dual aspect of the FRN is exactly what you have been saying. Only question is what is served by doing this

[link to www.roadtoroota.com]

dpn't know what road to roota means, but interesting anyway
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fraud upon the clit
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Here is a great video that probably should have its own thread, for anyone interested in getting a clear title to their property, that gives them sovereign right to it. Rken

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Thanks for sharing
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The storm is closing in to begin again from the beginning. Never sitting through my waking life oblivious. The ignorance running rampant through the city is indicative of something worse; this picture isn't pretty.
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The storm is closing in to begin again from the beginning. Never sitting through my waking life oblivious. The ignorance running rampant through the city is indicative of something worse; this picture isn't pretty.
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this has been a great thread , glad its still going.
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In short, the TAXABLE EVENT is your signature on any deposit.

When you restrict your signature, you do not give a blanket approval to the Federal Reserve Bank to steal from you.

You do not need to tell the bank or anyone else what you are doing, I have done this in banks all over the States, most will give you no problems, if they try, request, in writing, they contact their legal department.

You will have no issues after that phone call is made, that has been the result in the past for everyone who has done it.

Credit unions also.
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NOT TRUE!


A "taxable event" is a transaction wherein you receive something of value from a "taxable source", otherwise the transaction is from an "exempt" source.

But the code was writting so that J6P can distinguish between "items" and "sources".

Goes back to Bill Clinton's question, "What is 'is'?"

In law, words rarely mean what J6P thinks they mean.
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bump for the morans
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hey 708...

check out this piece about the gold standard and new 100 dollar bill.

explanation of the dual aspect of the FRN is exactly what you have been saying. Only question is what is served by doing this

[link to www.roadtoroota.com]

dpn't know what road to roota means, but interesting anyway
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It should be noted that in doing research, I cam across this claim:

Reportedly, notes and other paper money/negotiable bank or security instruments are given a gold foil star when they enter into the currency trade market.

Attaching some sort of actual gold or lawful money (like a postage stamp) to create a real value on the paper.

Great find!
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In short, the TAXABLE EVENT is your signature on any deposit.

When you restrict your signature, you do not give a blanket approval to the Federal Reserve Bank to steal from you.

You do not need to tell the bank or anyone else what you are doing, I have done this in banks all over the States, most will give you no problems, if they try, request, in writing, they contact their legal department.

You will have no issues after that phone call is made, that has been the result in the past for everyone who has done it.

Credit unions also.
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NOT TRUE!


A "taxable event" is a transaction wherein you receive something of value from a "taxable source", otherwise the transaction is from an "exempt" source.

But the code was writting so that J6P can distinguish between "items" and "sources".

Goes back to Bill Clinton's question, "What is 'is'?"

In law, words rarely mean what J6P thinks they mean.
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The taxable source issue has already been covered in the thread. The 300 million in Gold coins seized in 1933 are the "source" (non taxable) for the US Notes on the right side of the face of the current issued FRN's.

You will notice a signature on each note. Until and unless you restrict your endorsement to the US Treasury note on the right side and add your witness to it as lawful money, you are PRESUMED to be endorsing the Federal Reserve left side of the note and its SOURCE, the private credit of the Federal reserve which is taxable.

The event of endorsement is how you prove the source of your currency and if it is taxable or not.

Even if US Notes are taxable, the non-endorsement keeps the liability to pay that tax to the issuer (source) the US Treasury, not the ende user (me, the living man).
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So if this is true every American needs to start doing this.

Viral. Nationwide. Scream off rooftops etc.

On another note: is there any other country or countries where this is more or less applicable? (The non-endorsement).

As i understand it banks in Europe are using a form of Fractional Reserve Banking as well, so what can Europeans do?

Any info appreciated, this is a monumental thread for info OP, thanks.

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