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Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
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So if this is true every American needs to start doing this.

Viral. Nationwide. Scream off rooftops etc.

On another note: is there any other country or countries where this is more or less applicable? (The non-endorsement).

As i understand it banks in Europe are using a form of Fractional Reserve Banking as well, so what can Europeans do?

Any info appreciated, this is a monumental thread for info OP, thanks.
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I have not heard of other doing this in other countries, but it would take researching the laws to be able to affirm or not affirm there ability to redeem lawful money.

I would imagine that if looked for it can be found with any fiat system. sk. (Name changed)
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I have not heard of other doing this in other countries, but it would take researching the laws to be able to affirm or not affirm there ability to redeem lawful money.

I would imagine that if looked for it can be found with any fiat system. sk. (Name changed)
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I will, thanks OP.

This is the most elegant method to date to stop the fraction reserve system and the misery attached to it.
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The storm is closing in to begin again from the beginning. Never sitting through my waking life oblivious. The ignorance running rampant through the city is indicative of something worse; this picture isn't pretty.
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I have not heard of other doing this in other countries, but it would take researching the laws to be able to affirm or not affirm there ability to redeem lawful money.

I would imagine that if looked for it can be found with any fiat system. sk. (Name changed)
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I will, thanks OP.

This is the most elegant method to date to stop the fraction reserve system and the misery attached to it.
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Yes I would have to agree. They have us playing their game voluntarily. all we need do, is stop voluntering by redeeming FRN's for lawful money. sk
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Ok, so we deposit our check or direct deposit into our bank account as lawful money. I got that part.
But how do we spend it without it converting back into FRNs?
Or is that an issue at all?
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Also, do you still fill out a 1040?
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Ok, so we deposit our check or direct deposit into our bank account as lawful money. I got that part.
But how do we spend it without it converting back into FRNs?
Or is that an issue at all?
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The important thing is to restrict your signature with your demand for lawful money on any new money (aka "income") that you receive. After that, you are spending lawful money.

Regarding direct deposit, you can amend the bank signature card with 'Demand is hereby made that all transactions on this account be redeemed in lawful money pursuant to 12 USC §411.' or 'All Transactions to this account are intended for Special Deposit'.

Also, do you still fill out a 1040?
 Quoting: Danmo43

You would file only to get a refund for taxes withheld. Here is a 1040 form example:
[link to www.myprivateaudio.com]

At some point you could adjust your W-4 by writing 'exempt per 12 USC 411 lawful money' on line 7, to stop withholding.
Once you get the withholding stopped there is no need to file.


Enjoy Lawful Money!
cheers
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thanks to whomever posted the info on dean clifford. Cheers to you and an awsome thread
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bumpand fuck the fed starwars
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bumpand fuck the fed starwars
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well said
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Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
I read a few pages of this long thread. Everybody knows the golden rule:

He who has the gold makes the rules.

But what many of you have forgotten is the corollary to the golden rule:

He who has the guns takes the gold.

Seriously do any of you think just stamping some checks and writing your name in all caps is going to keep the IRS thugs from putting a lean on your house and tapping into your paycheck slaphim



I was when lived in the USA I was stupid. I actually thought that laws protected citizens and judges would honor the law.

When I moved to Thailand I learned the truth: Laws are written by the government thugs to either enrich themselves or as a weapon to destroy their opposition.

All your caps letters, admiralty law, legal money, bla bla arguments don't mean jack. If you don't pay they will come after you and you will end up paying twice as much due to your bullshit fines and interest charges.
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I read a few pages of this long thread. Everybody knows the golden rule:

He who has the gold makes the rules.

But what many of you have forgotten is the corollary to the golden rule:

He who has the guns takes the gold.

Seriously do any of you think just stamping some checks and writing your name in all caps is going to keep the IRS thugs from putting a lean on your house and tapping into your paycheck slaphim



I was when lived in the USA I was stupid. I actually thought that laws protected citizens and judges would honor the law.

When I moved to Thailand I learned the truth: Laws are written by the government thugs to either enrich themselves or as a weapon to destroy their opposition.

All your caps letters, admiralty law, legal money, bla bla arguments don't mean jack. If you don't pay they will come after you and you will end up paying twice as much due to your bullshit fines and interest charges.
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Well, as one in a much similar position. Many have and are doing this and are not being taken to court, put in jail, in fact they are receiving rebates. So unless you have some proof to the contrary, this method works without fear of retribution by the IRS. Sorry Fail. SK
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Opt-out, and you bumpthe fed out of business!




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Ok, so we deposit our check or direct deposit into our bank account as lawful money. I got that part.
But how do we spend it without it converting back into FRNs?
Or is that an issue at all?
 Quoting: Danmo43

Regarding direct deposit, you can amend the bank signature card with 'Demand is hereby made that all transactions on this account be redeemed in lawful money pursuant to 12 USC §411.' or 'All Transactions to this account are intended for Special Deposit'.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2089630


The problem is, banks have gotten wise to this, and every attempt is met with a call to the legal dept. which then informs the manager that "no special restrictions are allowed" and/or "no modifications to the signature card is allowed".

I've been fighting this, and 5 banks later, there is no joy. I believe somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned that Bank Of America's legal dept. is aware of, and will allow this... NOT TRUE!

Anyone have other suggestions for how to accomplish this?
Thanks.
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Ok, so we deposit our check or direct deposit into our bank account as lawful money. I got that part.
But how do we spend it without it converting back into FRNs?
Or is that an issue at all?
 Quoting: Danmo43

Regarding direct deposit, you can amend the bank signature card with 'Demand is hereby made that all transactions on this account be redeemed in lawful money pursuant to 12 USC §411.' or 'All Transactions to this account are intended for Special Deposit'.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2089630


The problem is, banks have gotten wise to this, and every attempt is met with a call to the legal dept. which then informs the manager that "no special restrictions are allowed" and/or "no modifications to the signature card is allowed".

I've been fighting this, and 5 banks later, there is no joy. I believe somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned that Bank Of America's legal dept. is aware of, and will allow this... NOT TRUE!

Anyone have other suggestions for how to accomplish this?
Thanks.
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I asked them if they can show me the statute in the U.S.C. where it says restriction? It's a remedy, in civil contract law there has to be a remedy. It would be fraud if you don't disclose how the money is created. That would make it null and void.
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Ok, so we deposit our check or direct deposit into our bank account as lawful money. I got that part.
But how do we spend it without it converting back into FRNs?
Or is that an issue at all?
 Quoting: Danmo43

Regarding direct deposit, you can amend the bank signature card with 'Demand is hereby made that all transactions on this account be redeemed in lawful money pursuant to 12 USC §411.' or 'All Transactions to this account are intended for Special Deposit'.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2089630


The problem is, banks have gotten wise to this, and every attempt is met with a call to the legal dept. which then informs the manager that "no special restrictions are allowed" and/or "no modifications to the signature card is allowed".

I've been fighting this, and 5 banks later, there is no joy. I believe somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned that Bank Of America's legal dept. is aware of, and will allow this... NOT TRUE!

Anyone have other suggestions for how to accomplish this?
Thanks.
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I asked them if they can show me the statute in the U.S.C. where it says restriction? It's a remedy, in civil contract law there has to be a remedy. It would be fraud if you don't disclose how the money is created. That would make it null and void.
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I am in total agreement with you. The problem is, we are dealing with zombie employees, who fear for their jobs, and will only do what "legal" tells them is okay to do.
I have read other posts from people saying it was no problem. I'm trying to suss out whether it is better to tell them right at the start what your intentions are, or go through the entire song and dance of filling out the application form, and writing in the (non)endorsement verbiage along with signature... then getting the objections of the manager through the legal dept...???
David Merrill has suggested that striking through the "offending" verbiage, but still having it visible would be enough evidence to show that attempt was made to redeem lawful money... What does the brain trust think about this?
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Ok, so we deposit our check or direct deposit into our bank account as lawful money. I got that part.
But how do we spend it without it converting back into FRNs?
Or is that an issue at all?
 Quoting: Danmo43

Regarding direct deposit, you can amend the bank signature card with 'Demand is hereby made that all transactions on this account be redeemed in lawful money pursuant to 12 USC §411.' or 'All Transactions to this account are intended for Special Deposit'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2089630

The problem is, banks have gotten wise to this, and every attempt is met with a call to the legal dept. which then informs the manager that "no special restrictions are allowed" and/or "no modifications to the signature card is allowed".

I've been fighting this, and 5 banks later, there is no joy. I believe somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned that Bank Of America's legal dept. is aware of, and will allow this... NOT TRUE!

Anyone have other suggestions for how to accomplish this?
Thanks.
 Quoting: logjam

The problem is, we are dealing with zombie employees, who fear for their jobs, and will only do what "legal" tells them is okay to do.
I have read other posts from people saying it was no problem. I'm trying to suss out whether it is better to tell them right at the start what your intentions are, or go through the entire song and dance of filling out the application form, and writing in the (non)endorsement verbiage along with signature... then getting the objections of the manager through the legal dept...???
David Merrill has suggested that striking through the "offending" verbiage, but still having it visible would be enough evidence to show that attempt was made to redeem lawful money... What does the brain trust think about this?
 Quoting: logjam

First of all, take your business to a user-friendly credit union instead of a Nazi bank. Better yet, stop banking altogether! If you Keep your cash under the mattress, you keep irs and other communist alphabet agencies from looting your account. Also, you don't have to worry about banks closing because of a bank run.

Technology has made dumping the bank even easier. Take your paper paycheck, with your lawful money demand, to Walmart, and load it on a debit card. Walmart has other services as well, they are the only "bank" you'll ever need.

If you must deal with traditional banksters, this thread may give you some ideas:
[link to savingtosuitorsclub.net]
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I just took in a request to have all tranactions to/in my existing account done in lawful money. Handed it to a teller and had her sign and date it. Ask her to give me a copy and send the letter to the legal department.

My demand was made. I sent a copy to my case file in the district court.

The teller later called and said restricted signature were not acceptable. But notification over the phone is not a legal notice either.

Next time I went to the same bank and cashed a check, I signed it with the restricted endorsement and it was not questioned. I have not received any notice from the legal department. Make sure you are opening a non-interest bearing checking account and you should have less problems. OP sk2
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I just took in a request to have all tranactions to/in my existing account done in lawful money. Handed it to a teller and had her sign and date it. Ask her to give me a copy and send the letter to the legal department.

My demand was made. I sent a copy to my case file in the district court.

The teller later called and said restricted signature were not acceptable. But notification over the phone is not a legal notice either.

Next time I went to the same bank and cashed a check, I signed it with the restricted endorsement and it was not questioned. I have not received any notice from the legal department. Make sure you are opening a non-interest bearing checking account and you should have less problems. OP sk2
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I posted a new thread at StSclub forum.
Don't believe anything, only know it.
No thanks, I've got enough karma.
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This thread needs a perma-pin!
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This thread needs a perma-pin!
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I agree. But then I'm prejudiced. lol sk
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This thread needs a perma-pin!
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I agree. But then I'm prejudiced. lol sk
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PM me please
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Gonna bump it for the "fed has no gold" readers.

To those who doubt, try it yourself because just what you learn by actually doing something is worth it.

Is that not what we are here for? Fight TBTB without violence but knowledge?
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Somebody needs to go to Las Vegas, win a bunch of chips and when they "redeem" their chips, demand lawful money.

There are IRS forms that must be filled out for large winnings, or so I have been told. A simple demand for lawful money could be done right then and see what the IRS does about it.

Somebody, win some chips and try it out!
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Awesome find
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison

"Joining the military does not mean that you will be defending the country. The purpose of the U.S. military should be to defend the United States. Period. Yet, one of the greatest myths ever invented is that the current U.S. military somehow defends our freedoms. First of all, our freedoms are not in danger of being taken away by foreign countries; if they are taken away it will be by our own government. It is not a country making war on us that we need to fear, it is our government making war on the Bill of Rights. And second, how is stationing troops in 150 different regions of the world on hundreds of U.S. military bases defending our freedoms? It is not the purpose of the U.S. military to change regimes, secure the borders of other countries, or spread democracy at gunpoint. The Department of Defense should first and foremost be the Department of Homeland Security."--Laurence Vance--
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*INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY. NO ADVICE IS OR WILL BE GIVEN.*

I exchange for lawful money per 12usc411 without prejudice. Strike through the "to the order of" on the front. I modify and initial my own w4 and file that with boss. Cross through deductions and write in big letters, NOT APPLICABLE, NOT A CITIZEN, AMERICAN NATIONAL, USES NOR ISSUES PRIVATE CREDIT PER REMEDY AT 12USC411. Write exempt at 7A and sign without prejudice with christian name + family name noted as such. I also fill out the state tax exemption form which I also mod to reflect the truth of my temporary domicile as recorded in my affidavit at the county clerk. The girl and I have been doing this since 07 when we realized the mistaken presumptions that were made without full and equal consideration of all the terms of varias adhesion contracts and took steps to correct errors and apply appropriate remedy.

Occasionally when I switch jobs, the bank of issuance for the negotiable instrument I recieve as *PAYMENT* throws a tantrum the first time or two. I have talked to managers and bank presidents. I have talked to the banks legal depts as well on the fone and through email. All my problems have been resolved. I think the issue for some is wanting to use a debit card/bank account. That demand on the signature card thing is what seems to get shut down. I walk away with FRN's standing as lawful money so that problem doesent bother me. If I wanted to use the wealth transfer monetary system of the foriegn occupier who is the reciever per the chapter 11 bankruptcy of the republic, I wouldent be a soveriegn now would I? He who recieves the benifit incurrs the obligation. Go to them like a lamb. Smiles and polite manners get better results than conflict.

*INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY. NO ADVICE IS OR WILL BE GIVEN.*
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*INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY. NO ADVICE IS OR WILL BE GIVEN.*

See what I meant by *for entertainment*........The above error is corrected below. This is what 5 beers gets me.

NOT APPLICABLE, NOT A CITIZEN, I AM AN AMERICAN NATIONAL, I DO NOT USE NOR ISSUE PRIVATE CREDIT PER REMEDY AT 12USC411.

*INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY. NO ADVICE IS OR WILL BE GIVEN.*

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