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BTW, pieces of paper, minerals or any other material items are not value. WE are value. Our time, energy, and substance is value, and TPTB are sucking our value from us. It's just that simple.
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Agreed AC306~but the "law of the land" must be fulfilled, the law has not changed, gold and silver coin only, it goes back to just weights and measures and law.

If "they" wanted to be honest about it, the constitution should be changed.

Your other post was a good summation of the entire subject.
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It's maritime law that the whole scam operates on, under the law of the land you are free and not a slave.
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Good to see this thread again. Been banned and probably will be again soon. If you listen to any of the guru's and they don't comprehend lawful money, run away. Hi seeker.
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Hey osbo. nice to have you back. Lawful money would seem to be one of the major things upon which the PTB hang their hats. So it would seem as you have pointed out, any thing absent lawful money, while it may be valid is lacking in terms of remedy. Found this new site. check it out and tell me what you think. read the cure 1-3

[link to notice-recipient.com]
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Seeker,

I looked at the site you linked above. I have an issue with it for one reason. There is no "discharge" of debt. The discharge is simply adding it to the big public notice of unpaid debt on the Debt clock of Times Square in New York.

While such a process may cut out some of the middle men/accounts involved in moving the numbers /$/ from the endorser to the pool of endorsers via a 'pass through', it does not change the end result. More debt, more interest and more peonage passed onto the next generation to be labored off.

Secondly, I have never, not once, seen anyone provide any evidence such accounts or 'set off' actually occurs.

It would seem that after years (I have know about this and similar processes for nearly 4 years) nobody has ever shown me a receipt or 'paid' bill for doing it.

The 1099 OID thing worked for some, who were later hit with notices they needed to repay the refunded amount.

Of course, there have been a few 12USC411 people hit with frivolous claims by the IRS, but to date, those have been stuffed with the LOR in District Courts and NOT ONE case against them or anyone redeeming lawful money has to date, been filed.

Again, without demand for lawful money, everything I have seen has fallen flat on its face when challenged by the Priests in black dresses.
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Hi 708

You say some cases have been brought in district court. Do you have links/references?

Had these cases already gone through tax court, a necessary prerequisite, before district courts can obtain jurisdiction?
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Ron Paul wears dirty diapers.
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Good to see this thread again. Been banned and probably will be again soon. If you listen to any of the guru's and they don't comprehend lawful money, run away. Hi seeker.
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Hey osbo. nice to have you back. Lawful money would seem to be one of the major things upon which the PTB hang their hats. So it would seem as you have pointed out, any thing absent lawful money, while it may be valid is lacking in terms of remedy. Found this new site. check it out and tell me what you think. read the cure 1-3

[link to notice-recipient.com]
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Seeker,

I looked at the site you linked above. I have an issue with it for one reason. There is no "discharge" of debt. The discharge is simply adding it to the big public notice of unpaid debt on the Debt clock of Times Square in New York.

While such a process may cut out some of the middle men/accounts involved in moving the numbers /$/ from the endorser to the pool of endorsers via a 'pass through', it does not change the end result. More debt, more interest and more peonage passed onto the next generation to be labored off.

Secondly, I have never, not once, seen anyone provide any evidence such accounts or 'set off' actually occurs.

It would seem that after years (I have know about this and similar processes for nearly 4 years) nobody has ever shown me a receipt or 'paid' bill for doing it.

The 1099 OID thing worked for some, who were later hit with notices they needed to repay the refunded amount.

Of course, there have been a few 12USC411 people hit with frivolous claims by the IRS, but to date, those have been stuffed with the LOR in District Courts and NOT ONE case against them or anyone redeeming lawful money has to date, been filed.

Again, without demand for lawful money, everything I have seen has fallen flat on its face when challenged by the Priests in black dresses.
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I agree with your synopsis. 100% Thanks for the confirmation. I liked some of his Ideas in the opening 5 documents and he seems to have found some similar or is using some of Rob Ryders Ideas. sk
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Hi 708

You say some cases have been brought in district court. Do you have links/references?

Had these cases already gone through tax court, a necessary prerequisite, before district courts can obtain jurisdiction?
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The LOR (libel of review) cases have been filed by those redeeming lawful money, it is "the court of record and competent jurisdiction" written about in this thread.

These are opened in the District courts and used as secure, recognizable records of ones standing and preemptive notice to the District of Columbia of the facts of ones standing and demands for lawful money and rights.

The IRS has not filed a case (that any of us know about) after the demand for lawful money has been made. Some have been redeeming lawful money for years.

There have been 'filing frivolous return' offers from the IRS to a very few redeemers, but those have been stayed with simple, recorded "refusal for cause" and LOR's spoken of above and have stopped any more offers from the IRS.

If these facts are not correct, Seeker or David could correct them, but that is the latest information I have.

Peace to all!!
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Hi 708

You say some cases have been brought in district court. Do you have links/references?

Had these cases already gone through tax court, a necessary prerequisite, before district courts can obtain jurisdiction?
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The LOR (libel of review) cases have been filed by those redeeming lawful money, it is "the court of record and competent jurisdiction" written about in this thread.

These are opened in the District courts and used as secure, recognizable records of ones standing and preemptive notice to the District of Columbia of the facts of ones standing and demands for lawful money and rights.

The IRS has not filed a case (that any of us know about) after the demand for lawful money has been made. Some have been redeeming lawful money for years.

There have been 'filing ' offers from the IRS to a very few redeemers, but those have been stayed with simple, recorded "refusal for cause" and LOR's spoken of above and have stopped any more offers from the IRS.

If these facts are not correct, Seeker or David could correct them, but that is the latest information I have.

Peace to all!!
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Yep I agree, as you have stated. As far as I know no one has had to pay for any frivolous filings or has been taken to court. Only thing that some have had is with methods used before redeeming lawful money that are still haunting them. sk
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Hi 708

You say some cases have been brought in district court. Do you have links/references?

Had these cases already gone through tax court, a necessary prerequisite, before district courts can obtain jurisdiction?
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The LOR (libel of review) cases have been filed by those redeeming lawful money, it is "the court of record and competent jurisdiction" written about in this thread.

These are opened in the District courts and used as secure, recognizable records of ones standing and preemptive notice to the District of Columbia of the facts of ones standing and demands for lawful money and rights.

The IRS has not filed a case (that any of us know about) after the demand for lawful money has been made. Some have been redeeming lawful money for years.

There have been 'filing frivolous return' offers from the IRS to a very few redeemers, but those have been stayed with simple, recorded "refusal for cause" and LOR's spoken of above and have stopped any more offers from the IRS.

If these facts are not correct, Seeker or David could correct them, but that is the latest information I have.

Peace to all!!
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Can you expound on this?

What I want to know is where these district court records can be found. I would like to read them myself.

Is there a synopsis of trial court level cases (LOR?) that you are referring to? What district?

Thanks
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Thank you rken.

Thank you 708.

Thank you David

And Thank you others for shaking us; and smacking us; into the correct consciousness.

When looking at some of the government tax code, I could not help but notice that the written style of the code seems eerily similar to that of the style of the authors of the early Mormon AND Jehovah's witness cult writings.

I have NO DOUBT that the same author(s) wrote ALL Three.

Interestingly, the 'redeem lawful money' code is 411

12 USC 411, "...Federal reserve notes shall be redeemed for lawful money on demand..."

For YOUR Info?

The Dean Clifford videos are both enchanting and gripping.

David, your site is down. Looking forward to your site.

Who am I?

I am The Director of: MY NAME IN CAPS

Learning, and knowing the TRUTH are the best defense, and offense.
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Thank you rken.

Thank you 708.

Thank you David

And Thank you others for shaking us; and smacking us; into the correct consciousness.

When looking at some of the government tax code, I could not help but notice that the written style of the code seems eerily similar to that of the style of the authors of the early Mormon AND Jehovah's witness cult writings.

I have NO DOUBT that the same author(s) wrote ALL Three.

Interestingly, the 'redeem lawful money' code is 411

12 USC 411, "...Federal reserve notes shall be redeemed for lawful money on demand..."

For YOUR Info?

The Dean Clifford videos are both enchanting and gripping.

David, your site is down. Looking forward to your site.

Who am I?

I am The Director of: MY NAME IN CAPS

Learning, and knowing the TRUTH are the best defense, and offense.
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You are welcome my friend. Nice to have another on board. Davids site. Savingtosuitorsclub.net is up and running enjoy. sk
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Seeker...is this you?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Good to see this thread again. Been banned and probably will be again soon. If you listen to any of the guru's and they don't comprehend lawful money, run away. Hi seeker.
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Hey osbo. nice to have you back. Lawful money would seem to be one of the major things upon which the PTB hang their hats. So it would seem as you have pointed out, any thing absent lawful money, while it may be valid is lacking in terms of remedy. Found this new site. check it out and tell me what you think. read the cure 1-3

[link to notice-recipient.com]
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I agree with 708 completely.

Love the Big Rock Candy Mountain.

New guru's are springing up daily and none using lawful money. Rod Class is a prime example of prosses that gets nowhere because he wont use lawful money.
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If I forget to put osbo I become a number. I just haven't signed in yet. Prolly get banned again.
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Seeker...is this you?

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Yep that's me in one of my past lives. Also was Rken before the big BAN. lol. How many more lives will I lead. sk

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Hi 708

You say some cases have been brought in district court. Do you have links/references?

Had these cases already gone through tax court, a necessary prerequisite, before district courts can obtain jurisdiction?
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The LOR (libel of review) cases have been filed by those redeeming lawful money, it is "the court of record and competent jurisdiction" written about in this thread.

These are opened in the District courts and used as secure, recognizable records of ones standing and preemptive notice to the District of Columbia of the facts of ones standing and demands for lawful money and rights.

The IRS has not filed a case (that any of us know about) after the demand for lawful money has been made. Some have been redeeming lawful money for years.

There have been 'filing frivolous return' offers from the IRS to a very few redeemers, but those have been stayed with simple, recorded "refusal for cause" and LOR's spoken of above and have stopped any more offers from the IRS.

If these facts are not correct, Seeker or David could correct them, but that is the latest information I have.

Peace to all!!
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Can you expound on this?

What I want to know is where these district court records can be found. I would like to read them myself.

Is there a synopsis of trial court level cases (LOR?) that you are referring to? What district?

Thanks
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Hi Not 708 but it looks like he is not around right now. So if you don't mind I will attempt to answer some of your questions.

The records mention are case files opened in the state district courts. And can be viewed with pacer if you have the name or case number. I will post a link to my LOR so you can get a look at the documents involved.

LOR. Libel of Review is a basic document that basically states your status in relation to a variety of issues as you can read in my LOR. These cases are opened under the saving to suitors clause, which basically creates a court of common law. Since there are no judges that can function under common law, you and your case become the court of record.

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Sorry I thought My LOR was on that link but it looks like its just the order to dismiss. I will upload it tomorrow and re-post a link to it. sk. You can also get the pacer number and look up the complete filing on pacer for Hawaii. Listed pacer file at the top of the page. Also can use my name to look it up. enjoy. sk
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Sorry I thought My LOR was on that link but it looks like its just the order to dismiss. I will upload it tomorrow and re-post a link to it. sk. You can also get the pacer number and look up the complete filing on pacer for Hawaii. Listed pacer file at the top of the page. Also can use my name to look it up. enjoy. sk
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Thank you seeker2.....I'll be looking forward to that !!
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Here is the link to my LOR file is called my counter claim. enjoy sk
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Here is the link to my LOR file is called my counter claim. enjoy sk
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Looked at some of it. Thanks. Will have more time later.
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Hello all! Sorry for the delay, out laboring for some US Treasury notes to further lower the nations debt.

Seeker, thanks for the download and link, most LORs are pretty much the same, the main purpose of them is to get the facts on the record.

The Facts in most LOR's are:

1. Lawful money demand and use per 12-USC 411.

2. That if known, I would have demanded and used lawful money from the first paycheck I ever worked for.

3. The limiting of Maritime Jurisdiction to Constitutional assigned courts (district courts, not local city, state or lower courts without proper contract) for me and my house.

4. The exclusion of Statutory/Maritime/Commercial/Federal Reserve employees of the District of Columbia power to be held faultless and not liable for their unlawful actions against me in their 'official' role as debt collectors for the US debt.

5. Reservation of all remedies from the Foreign US District of Columbia and its agents without an actual living or dead victim or property damage.

6. End the assumption and presumption of District trespasser agents that I am a peon and everything I have is pledged to pay their debts.

7. Create a LAWFUL evidence repository for the above facts.

When reading an LOR, it might not seem like all that is in there, but it is. The order I put them in is nothing more then as they came to mind as I was writing.

If I missed any, feel free to put them in!!

As I have posted before, contacting David is important for proper steps in filing an LOR. Not because he is the only one that can do it, nor because he gives legal advice, but because he is the most experienced at it and those who have filed LORs have all had to deal with different issues. David is aware of those issues and how to handle them.

I do not work for David, but I and others do trust him and this is mostly about who and what you trust.

Have a great day all!
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" " You are welcome my friend. Nice to have another on board. Davids site. Savingtosuitorsclub.net is up and running enjoy. sk " "

Hello.

I think my IP Master is blocking David's site.

I can access David's site from a work computer across town using DSL, but not through comcast at home. Never have been able to access the site from home.

Tried different computer's. One computer has a brand new installed OS, with no virus protection or firewall. The very first website I tried to access with the newly installed OS is David's website. The error remains: Page Not Found.

Next, I will try directly connecting to the comcast modem bypassing my router. If that doesn't work, then you know what that could mean.

Will report back later..
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" " You are welcome my friend. Nice to have another on board. Davids site. Savingtosuitorsclub.net is up and running enjoy. sk " "

Hello.

I think my IP Master is blocking David's site.

I can access David's site from a work computer across town using DSL, but not through comcast at home. Never have been able to access the site from home.

Tried different computer's. One computer has a brand new installed OS, with no virus protection or firewall. The very first website I tried to access with the newly installed OS is David's website. The error remains: Page Not Found.

Next, I will try directly connecting to the comcast modem bypassing my router. If that doesn't work, then you know what that could mean.

Will report back later..
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Don't know if this will help but try Maxthon browser. Its fast.
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Robb Ryder stuff:
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I have been checking out some of Robs stuff, interesting, now if he would just get on board with redeeming lawful money, he might find he progresses much faster. sk
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" " You are welcome my friend. Nice to have another on board. Davids site. Savingtosuitorsclub.net is up and running enjoy. sk " "

Hello.

I think my IP Master is blocking David's site.

I can access David's site from a work computer across town using DSL, but not through comcast at home. Never have been able to access the site from home.

Tried different computer's. One computer has a brand new installed OS, with no virus protection or firewall. The very first website I tried to access with the newly installed OS is David's website. The error remains: Page Not Found.

Next, I will try directly connecting to the comcast modem bypassing my router. If that doesn't work, then you know what that could mean.

Will report back later..
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Don't know if this will help but try Maxthon browser. Its fast.
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Today, I removed my router and connected directly to comcast modem and I was able to get to David's site... finally.

What was the problem? I still don't know. But we should keep both eyes on the snakes. I am not surprised to see censorship in this "land of the free". Have come across censorship many, many, times already. Especially yahoo and craigslist.

How long before 'they' push too far? I'm ready for them NOW!
Bring IT ON SNAKES! Useless, Piece of F@!K SELLOUT SNAKES!!!

Thank you for the heads up about Maxthon. I like it, and will be testing it all this week.
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I realize that this forum may not be the place for the following statements, so I will only say it once.

Just hoping to wake someone up from another angle here.

After researching the subject for over 15 years; AND after performing my own experiments; I'm Here to Witness to You:

Energy IS Free - Search: "Thane Heins Device Replication"

Energy IS Free - Watch replication of Don Smith Device: [link to www.youtube.com]

YES! It's extracted from 'the energy' that is ALL Around Us called: Ether, or, Orgone, or Zero Point Energy, or, cold electricity.

It's pretty easy to replicate the devices. All devices basically do the same thing: Collapse a magnetic field rapidly with a 'modified transformer' which captures a bit of zero point energy into the circuit.

"The powers that be" ALWAYS have known about the 'zero point energy'; and have ALWAYS actively and relentlessly hidden the knowledge. Yes. It's true.

Now we have 'them' by the balls because the devices are being re-discovered all over again. But do we? Because now we are fighting the 'people' in the 'matrix', this is almost as bad as fighting the snakes themselves.

This eBook is Highly Interesting as Well:
[link to www.free-energy-info.co.uk]
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I realize that this forum may not be the place for the following statements, so I will only say it once.

Just hoping to wake someone up from another angle here.

After researching the subject for over 15 years; AND after performing my own experiments; I'm Here to Witness to You:

Energy IS Free - Search: "Thane Heins Device Replication"

Energy IS Free - Watch replication of Don Smith Device: [link to www.youtube.com]

YES! It's extracted from 'the energy' that is ALL Around Us called: Ether, or, Orgone, or Zero Point Energy, or, cold electricity.

It's pretty easy to replicate the devices. All devices basically do the same thing: Collapse a magnetic field rapidly with a 'modified transformer' which captures a bit of zero point energy into the circuit.

"The powers that be" ALWAYS have known about the 'zero point energy'; and have ALWAYS actively and relentlessly hidden the knowledge. Yes. It's true.

Now we have 'them' by the balls because the devices are being re-discovered all over again. But do we? Because now we are fighting the 'people' in the 'matrix', this is almost as bad as fighting the snakes themselves.

This eBook is Highly Interesting as Well:
[link to www.free-energy-info.co.uk]
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Thanks for sharing.Yes it would seem that energy reliance is an area that TPTB would use to try and control us, so any free energy device that works will help us to back the back of the big monopolies. sk
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