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Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
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how can we make it plain and clear that we are using lawful money when we purchase items? is it by:

1) stamping federal reserve notes on the back "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411"

and 2) writing "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411" on our checks in the memo line whenever we write a check to pay someone? and to cross out the part that says "the order of" in the "pay to the order of" line?

and how do we keep a record of using lawful money, if we are ever called to prove that we actually paid for something with lawful money (as opposed to discharging debt when using FRNs)?
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when we use credit cards, are we using legal tender or lawful money?

how can we establish that we are paying with lawful money when we use services like online bill pay?
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how can we make it plain and clear that we are using lawful money when we purchase items? is it by:

1) stamping federal reserve notes on the back "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411"

and 2) writing "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411" on our checks in the memo line whenever we write a check to pay someone? and to cross out the part that says "the order of" in the "pay to the order of" line?

and how do we keep a record of using lawful money, if we are ever called to prove that we actually paid for something with lawful money (as opposed to discharging debt when using FRNs)?
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For large ticket Idem's I would carry a receipt book and have the clerk or sales person sign that they received lawful money. Other wise don't worry about small purchases as you have already made your demand when you cashed your check or withdrew money from you account using one of your own checks, endorsed with the lawful money verbiage on the back. I make copies of all check prior to cashing them. Also you can inform the back via letter informing them that all transactions in and out of your account shall be done in lawful money. sk
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is there any thing special we need to know about us treasury checks (irs refunds)? should we redeem them in the same way, by stamping it with the verbiage?

the back of the check says "forgery of endorsements on treausry checks is a federal crime. maximum penalty is a $10,000 fine and ten years imprisonment (8-97)." do we have to worry about this
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is there any thing special we need to know about us treasury checks (irs refunds)? should we redeem them in the same way, by stamping it with the verbiage?

the back of the check says "forgery of endorsements on treausry checks is a federal crime. maximum penalty is a $10,000 fine and ten years imprisonment (8-97)." do we have to worry about this
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Nothing to worry about just endorse it like you do your payroll checks.
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Yhis question is for 708 or others who are involved in this issue.

Has it been considered that there is a congressional act already on the books which states:

" Section 6 of the Clayton Act (codified at 15 U.S.C. § 17) say(s) ‘that the labor of a human being is not a commodity or article of commerce'

How can earnings from labor then be taxed?
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Yhis question is for 708 or others who are involved in this issue.

Has it been considered that there is a congressional act already on the books which states:

" Section 6 of the Clayton Act (codified at 15 U.S.C. § 17) say(s) ‘that the labor of a human being is not a commodity or article of commerce'

How can earnings from labor then be taxed?
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Its not your labor that is being taxed, its the use of a private companies money. And by using it you consent to the rules and regulation of that company, you contract with them and contract laws trumps constitutional law when there is a contract in force. At least that's my understanding. sk
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Yhis question is for 708 or others who are involved in this issue.

Has it been considered that there is a congressional act already on the books which states:

" Section 6 of the Clayton Act (codified at 15 U.S.C. § 17) say(s) ‘that the labor of a human being is not a commodity or article of commerce'

How can earnings from labor then be taxed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15789288

Its not your labor that is being taxed, its the use of a private companies money. And by using it you consent to the rules and regulation of that company, you contract with them and contract laws trumps constitutional law when there is a contract in force. At least that's my understanding. sk
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seeker 2 is correct. The only clarification I would make is this: Contracting is constitutional. Since the power of the people to contract is unlimited by the constitution.

However, the power of the Federal government is limited by the Constitution (or at least is limited in the Republic, the current District of Columbia claims powers the Republic did not).

It is for that reason 'they' worded 12-USC 411 the way they did, to leave the nature of FRN's and US Notes in the hands of the endorser to act lawfully or enjoinder themselves with the fraud and trade with the enemy.
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Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Edit to add: The 10th Amendment is the limiting clause to the Federal Government. Powers taken just prior too and since the Civil war in the document are careful worded to limit exactly which class of citizen or corporations they applied to.

Mostly US Citizens/enemies of the Domestic/District of Columbia are effected by the emergency powers acts and amendments.
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Wouldn't all the politicians and the president be doing this if it were legal? They all disclose income tax returns.
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Hello my friend !

Long time....

This is DZ.

I am happy to see you are still spreading the word ! Very Good !!!

I will be around !


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Wouldn't all the politicians and the president be doing this if it were legal? They all disclose income tax returns.
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Lol...wouldn't everyone KNOW the truth... if it where true?
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The fed should be abolished and it's needed functions re-absorbed into the treasury.

The IRS should be phazed out completely.

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The fed should be abolished and it's needed functions re-absorbed into the treasury.

The IRS should be phazed out completely.

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If we outlawed "USURY"... it would stop the entire machine.
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The fed should be abolished and it's needed functions re-absorbed into the treasury.

The IRS should be phazed out completely.

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If we outlawed "USURY"... it would stop the entire machine.
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Then we can stop living in fear and enjoy life
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..............

How can earnings from labor then be taxed?
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Salary paid in gold or silver is not taxable. This trick applies not just to the US, but also other countries.

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I have just read some posts in this thread. I think some of us have underestimated the power of central banks.

The FED or other central banks will not just die if the citizens stop paying taxes.

Do not forget that they can continue to survive by raising money from sales of treasury bonds.

China and Japan will NOT stop buying U$ treasury bonds or sovereign debts of their choice until their citizens do exactly the same as what you propose ---- i.e. resist tax payment legally.

Perhaps, this propaganda should be spread to citizens of other countries as well, including those in Ch1na.
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..............

How can earnings from labor then be taxed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15789288



Salary paid in gold or silver is not taxable. This trick applies not just to the US, but also other countries.

[link to www.wethepeoplefoundation.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15631879


That case has already been covered in this thread, the DEFENDANT is now in prison for various tax evasion charges. While he and others won the first case, the IRS came after them again with new charges.

In summary, he used Federal Reserve credit to 'buy' the gold coins (not at face value) without demanding his redemption for lawful money. He simply did not know about the redemption demand spelled out in 12 USC 411.

Had he demanded his currency be redeemed, the case(s) might have never been flied in the first place.

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I have just read some posts in this thread. I think some of us have underestimated the power of central banks.

The FED or other central banks will not just die if the citizens stop paying taxes.

Do not forget that they can continue to survive by raising money from sales of treasury bonds.

China and Japan will NOT stop buying U$ treasury bonds or sovereign debts of their choice until their citizens do exactly the same as what you propose ---- i.e. resist tax payment legally.

Perhaps, this propaganda should be spread to citizens of other countries as well, including those in Ch1na.
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It is removed from my life and affairs I no longer feed that beast, if it dies or not is a non issue for me. I share what I have learned with others, the choice is theirs to do what they wish.

My business is none of their] business and I like that.
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bump
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Well it looks like Ron Paul is not going to be on the ballot. I guess we are going to have to do it ourselves. End the FED redeem you FRN for lawful money.
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Here is a great new example. Not a lot of bucks but I like the example because the suitor was just dabbling in demanding lawful money and calculated accordingly.

[link to img151.imageshack.us]
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Here is a great new example. Not a lot of bucks but I like the example because the suitor was just dabbling in demanding lawful money and calculated accordingly.

[link to img151.imageshack.us]
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Very nice David. I see he got the refund, no problem.
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Here is a great new example. Not a lot of bucks but I like the example because the suitor was just dabbling in demanding lawful money and calculated accordingly.

[link to img151.imageshack.us]
 Quoting: David Merrill 9034637


David, nice of you to drop in. Still plugging along. Take care.
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how can we make it plain and clear that we are using lawful money when we purchase items? is it by:

1) stamping federal reserve notes on the back "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411"

and 2) writing "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411" on our checks in the memo line whenever we write a check to pay someone? and to cross out the part that says "the order of" in the "pay to the order of" line?

and how do we keep a record of using lawful money, if we are ever called to prove that we actually paid for something with lawful money (as opposed to discharging debt when using FRNs)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7689788


Whenever you sign for a cash refund sign "Lawful Money".

Once in hand cash FRNs function as lawful money. The issue is whether or not you bonded the increase currency (from fractional lending) with your substance.

This fellow is not a suitor but has been doing this since 1998.

[link to www.box.com (secure)]

He does not mark his paychecks at all. Whenever he or his wife deposit or cash a check they show the card. Since they have proven service on the nearest Fed Bank (see the Notice and Demand) that is adaquate. If ever they need to prove their demand it is already with the Fed.



Regards,

David Merrill.
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Here is a great new example. Not a lot of bucks but I like the example because the suitor was just dabbling in demanding lawful money and calculated accordingly.

[link to img151.imageshack.us]
 Quoting: David Merrill 9034637


Why does the Treasury check show $182.19 when, according to the 1040, it should have been $282.19 ??
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how can we make it plain and clear that we are using lawful money when we purchase items? is it by:

1) stamping federal reserve notes on the back "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411"

and 2) writing "redeemed for lawful money 12 usc 411" on our checks in the memo line whenever we write a check to pay someone? and to cross out the part that says "the order of" in the "pay to the order of" line?

and how do we keep a record of using lawful money, if we are ever called to prove that we actually paid for something with lawful money (as opposed to discharging debt when using FRNs)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7689788


Whenever you sign for a cash refund sign "Lawful Money".

Once in hand cash FRNs function as lawful money. The issue is whether or not you bonded the increase currency (from fractional lending) with your substance.

This fellow is not a suitor but has been doing this since 1998.

[link to www.box.com (secure)]

He does not mark his paychecks at all. Whenever he or his wife deposit or cash a check they show the card. Since they have proven service on the nearest Fed Bank (see the Notice and Demand) that is adaquate. If ever they need to prove their demand it is already with the Fed.



Regards,

David Merrill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9034637


hf
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bump for waking people up. awesome thread. go to page 8 for a great description of "legal money" vs "federal reserve notes".

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