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Bumping this since the 'cool new video' which offers no solution is pinned.

keeping this close to the top might help one more man or woman end their obsession with the disease and cure themselves from it.

Maybe.
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End the FED

This ^^^^ YES!
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Haha... hahaha.
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Haha... hahaha.
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Sounds good to me. sk
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Here is a great new example. Not a lot of bucks but I like the example because the suitor was just dabbling in demanding lawful money and calculated accordingly.

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Why does the Treasury check show $182.19 when, according to the 1040, it should have been $282.19 ??
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The suitor was only dabbling in redemption in 2011. He will do much better in 2012.

He kept $100 on retainer if you look close to the bottom line in the example.
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Here is an interesting call with an IRS case attorney getting cornered (unwittingly by Marc) when pressed on what is the factual difference between "income" and "taxable income".

Of course, the man Marc is speaking for will be found guilty of whatever charge the IRS/US charged him with, since he clearly does not understand endorsement nor 12-USC 411.

Marc even admits to the IRS attorney his 'client' will most likely lose in court, but claims is will be the IRS or Judges fault.

In reality, the IRS attorney does not understand endorsement nor 12-USC 411 and it is not her job to educate Marc or the tax evader even if she did know.

See how simple the facts are once you 'get it' and why the IRS will not even approach the subject of 12-USC 411 and lawful money redemption.
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Forgot the link to the other thread

Thread: VIDEO: Owning An IRS Lawyer

good night all.
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Make no mistake, people, the Constitution is clear:

"The power of the people to contact is unlimited."

You power to contract is extra-constitutional, when you endorse Federal Reserve credit, you give congress YOUR PERMISSION to ignore the Constitution.

That again, is why they can truthfully say "Income tax is 100% voluntary!"
Its all contracts!!!
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It is not voluntary as in 'casual'; I can pay or not pay... it's voluntary.

It's referred to as voluntary compliance... example:

Traffic light is red; you voluntarily stop. IF YOU DON'T... the penalties can be severe ;)

Peace
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Make no mistake, people, the Constitution is clear:

"The power of the people to contact is unlimited."

You power to contract is extra-constitutional, when you endorse Federal Reserve credit, you give congress YOUR PERMISSION to ignore the Constitution.

That again, is why they can truthfully say "Income tax is 100% voluntary!"
Its all contracts!!!
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It is not voluntary as in 'casual'; I can pay or not pay... it's voluntary.

It's referred to as voluntary compliance... example:

Traffic light is red; you voluntarily stop. IF YOU DON'T... the penalties can be severe ;)

Peace
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False. If you use property that is not yours, or you use property in a way that is not authorized for you to use it, you are legally and lawful at fault and subject to punishment.

Federal reserve notes are not money, nor are they YOUR property, if you endorse and use them, you do so with restrictions and fees associated.

Running a red light is not the same thing at all.

Peace to you.
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Forgot the link to the other thread

Thread: VIDEO: Owning An IRS Lawyer

good night all.
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Thanks for the link 708, I will check it out.
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Here is an interesting call with an IRS case attorney getting cornered (unwittingly by Marc) when pressed on what is the factual difference between "income" and "taxable income".

Of course, the man Marc is speaking for will be found guilty of whatever charge the IRS/US charged him with, since he clearly does not understand endorsement nor 12-USC 411.

Marc even admits to the IRS attorney his 'client' will most likely lose in court, but claims is will be the IRS or Judges fault.

In reality, the IRS attorney does not understand endorsement nor 12-USC 411 and it is not her job to educate Marc or the tax evader even if she did know.

See how simple the facts are once you 'get it' and why the IRS will not even approach the subject of 12-USC 411 and lawful money redemption.
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I recall how frustrating that call is to listen to.

That is how I recall it though; just like you. She had no obligation to explain anything more to Marc than she did. If you listen to it with the impression that she had to explain things though, it sounds as though Marc was in control.
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First time I have heard the tape, just starting to listen, but it sounds like the title of it is miss leading, based on you and Davids post. lol sk
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For frik sakes! If you work for the corporation you must pay for the benefit & priviledge of it!

But you can conduct commerce without profit to live & prosper.
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Make no mistake, people, the Constitution is clear:

"The power of the people to contact is unlimited."

You power to contract is extra-constitutional, when you endorse Federal Reserve credit, you give congress YOUR PERMISSION to ignore the Constitution.

That again, is why they can truthfully say "Income tax is 100% voluntary!"
Its all contracts!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 692708


It is not voluntary as in 'casual'; I can pay or not pay... it's voluntary.

It's referred to as voluntary compliance... example:

Traffic light is red; you voluntarily stop. IF YOU DON'T... the penalties can be severe ;)

Peace
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False. If you use property that is not yours, or you use property in a way that is not authorized for you to use it, you are legally and lawful at fault and subject to punishment.

Federal reserve notes are not money, nor are they YOUR property, if you endorse and use them, you do so with restrictions and fees associated.

Running a red light is not the same thing at all.

Peace to you.
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Needed to add, stopping at a red light does not obligate me to pay a fee, nor lose estate rights, property rights nor subject me to jurisdictional presumptions.

Stopping at a red light does not presume or assume an endorsement of trillion dollar debts, fractional reserve credit, peonage and voluntary, deceptive 'voluntary' servitude.

David has some good insight on the insidious nature of endorsing private FED credit/debt.

I personally found the IRS attorney very polite and professional, which is easy when there is little doubt she is about to win another case in Federal court. :)

Good Friday to David, SK2 and everyone else.
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For frik sakes! If you work for the corporation you must pay for the benefit & priviledge of it!

But you can conduct commerce without profit to live & prosper.
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Thank you for your post AC! Glad to have you here.
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hi, i was reading through the posts for the past week or so,

it seems to me that when you go to your bank and demand lawful

money, they can deny you because of 12 uscs 411 stating that

you could redeem for lawful money at Washington or any of the

federal reserve banks. unless i could show them within the

law that they must accept my demand. i went to my bank to

deposit a check earlier this week and wrote on the back of it

'deposit for credit on account or exchange for non negotiable

federal reserve notes of face value by:first and last

dba:first middle and last name', they deposited it without any

problem at all, i even asked for a copy of deposit slip and check which

i also endorsed in same way, and they gave me a copy of both

check and deposit slip. i opened up an account at Astoria federal savings

3 days ago and i wanted to withdraw some money and i wrote on

withdrawal slip 'withdrawal from account in exchange for

lawful money in the form of non negotiable federal reserve

notes of face value by: dba:' and they refused to take

it, when i told them to call they're legal dpt they got back

to me the next day saying that they were told that anything

other than my signature on the slip in unacceptable, so i

guess they refuse to honor my demand for lawful money, how

can i show them by law that they have to accept my demand?
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hi, i was reading through the posts for the past week or so,

it seems to me that when you go to your bank and demand lawful

money, they can deny you because of 12 uscs 411 stating that

you could redeem for lawful money at Washington or any of the

federal reserve banks. unless i could show them within the

law that they must accept my demand. i went to my bank to

deposit a check earlier this week and wrote on the back of it

'deposit for credit on account or exchange for non negotiable

federal reserve notes of face value by:first and last

dba:first middle and last name', they deposited it without any

problem at all, i even asked for a copy of deposit slip and check which

i also endorsed in same way, and they gave me a copy of both

check and deposit slip. i opened up an account at Astoria federal savings

3 days ago and i wanted to withdraw some money and i wrote on

withdrawal slip 'withdrawal from account in exchange for

lawful money in the form of non negotiable federal reserve

notes of face value by: dba:' and they refused to take

it, when i told them to call they're legal dpt they got back

to me the next day saying that they were told that anything

other than my signature on the slip in unacceptable, so i

guess they refuse to honor my demand for lawful money, how

can i show them by law that they have to accept my demand?
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Hey Sam. The important part is keeping a record of your demand. Take them copy of the law, then its up to them to honor it or not. But once again it is your demand that counts. I make copies of all check prior to cashing them. I use personal checks to withdraw money and endorse them the demand verbiage. I got the same thing from my bank, but a I have a date stamps request by them, that I made a demand for all transactions done through my account be done in lawful money. I got a phone call to the effect that they would not accept an alteration of the signature/endorsement. Next trip to the bank they accepted one. lol sk
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Sam, just keep doing it. I have never had an issue because I never make it an issue. Most tellers just look for a signature, so do not make it any big deal.

Act like its business as usual, if they do ask about it, I usually tell them "my accountant wants it that way" or "my lawyer told me to do that" funny thing about an appeal to authority, most people stop asking when you use the word "lawyer".

Keep doing it, you will find its not a big deal for them at all.
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It is quite obvious to me now - a check inscibed with words " Pay To The Order Of " is in actallity a "dividend " warrant. It is not Pay, this can only mean, a draw is being made to bring this money into the treasury, and the compensation is legal tender frn's.

The canada bills of exchange act, clearly states - a crossed cheque is a dividend warrant. We have been writing these crossed cheques all our life, but have never exercised our right to recieve our dividend warrant.

It is not clearly spelled out, about how to go about this, some trial and error is needed, which I am in the process of doing. Nothing to report yet.

I would suggest though, take a look at this aspect.
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It is quite obvious to me now - a check inscibed with words " Pay To The Order Of " is in actallity a "dividend " warrant. It is not Pay, this can only mean, a draw is being made to bring this money into the treasury, and the compensation is legal tender frn's.

The canada bills of exchange act, clearly states - a crossed cheque is a dividend warrant. We have been writing these crossed cheques all our life, but have never exercised our right to recieve our dividend warrant.

It is not clearly spelled out, about how to go about this, some trial and error is needed, which I am in the process of doing. Nothing to report yet.

I would suggest though, take a look at this aspect.
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Thank you for that! I will be looking into your information. I should add I actually cross out (line through) the "pay to the order of" and simply leave the "pay to" on all my deposited checks.
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Just to add a little more;

The nature of a reserve banking system is just that, it is a reservation that each person that writes a crossed cheque has a claim to.

But, as always nothing is clearly spelled out, and it takes some testing to arrive at the correct formula to exercise your right.
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It is quite obvious to me now - a check inscibed with words " Pay To The Order Of " is in actallity a "dividend " warrant. It is not Pay, this can only mean, a draw is being made to bring this money into the treasury, and the compensation is legal tender frn's.

The canada bills of exchange act, clearly states - a crossed cheque is a dividend warrant. We have been writing these crossed cheques all our life, but have never exercised our right to recieve our dividend warrant.

It is not clearly spelled out, about how to go about this, some trial and error is needed, which I am in the process of doing. Nothing to report yet.

I would suggest though, take a look at this aspect.
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Thank you for that! I will be looking into your information. I should add I actually cross out (line through) the "pay to the order of" and simply leave the "pay to" on all my deposited checks.
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I understand your process of legal and lawful money, one being taxable and the other not. I believe you are correct, in that it is not taxable, because your method does not produce a dividend warrant.

The question is - is it better to not pay the tax, or is it better to be taxable and have access to a dividend warrant?

My research leads me to conclude - both the credit and debit combined, is the dividend warrant you can claim.
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It is quite obvious to me now - a check inscibed with words " Pay To The Order Of " is in actallity a "dividend " warrant. It is not Pay, this can only mean, a draw is being made to bring this money into the treasury, and the compensation is legal tender frn's.

The canada bills of exchange act, clearly states - a crossed cheque is a dividend warrant. We have been writing these crossed cheques all our life, but have never exercised our right to recieve our dividend warrant.

It is not clearly spelled out, about how to go about this, some trial and error is needed, which I am in the process of doing. Nothing to report yet.

I would suggest though, take a look at this aspect.
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Thank you for that! I will be looking into your information. I should add I actually cross out (line through) the "pay to the order of" and simply leave the "pay to" on all my deposited checks.
 Quoting: 708 15339449


I understand your process of legal and lawful money, one being taxable and the other not. I believe you are correct, in that it is not taxable, because your method does not produce a dividend warrant.

The question is - is it better to not pay the tax, or is it better to be taxable and have access to a dividend warrant?

My research leads me to conclude - both the credit and debit combined, is the dividend warrant you can claim.
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Dividend Warrant?

Cool!

I get where you are coming from and you are unlocking a whole new way to explain the same old law. Please get over on StSC www.savingtosuitorsclub.net and elaborate.

Sam and 708;

That is a great discussion going there too. I have dug up a couple Talkshoe recordings for you all:

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It is quite obvious to me now - a check inscibed with words " Pay To The Order Of " is in actallity a "dividend " warrant. It is not Pay, this can only mean, a draw is being made to bring this money into the treasury, and the compensation is legal tender frn's.

The canada bills of exchange act, clearly states - a crossed cheque is a dividend warrant. We have been writing these crossed cheques all our life, but have never exercised our right to recieve our dividend warrant.

It is not clearly spelled out, about how to go about this, some trial and error is needed, which I am in the process of doing. Nothing to report yet.

I would suggest though, take a look at this aspect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1345029


Thank you for that! I will be looking into your information. I should add I actually cross out (line through) the "pay to the order of" and simply leave the "pay to" on all my deposited checks.
 Quoting: 708 15339449


I understand your process of legal and lawful money, one being taxable and the other not. I believe you are correct, in that it is not taxable, because your method does not produce a dividend warrant.

The question is - is it better to not pay the tax, or is it better to be taxable and have access to a dividend warrant?

My research leads me to conclude - both the credit and debit combined, is the dividend warrant you can claim.
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Dividend Warrant?

Cool!

I get where you are coming from and you are unlocking a whole new way to explain the same old law. Please get over on StSC www.savingtosuitorsclub.net and elaborate.

Sam and 708;

That is a great discussion going there too. I have dug up a couple Talkshoe recordings for you all:

[link to docs.google.com (secure)]

[link to docs.google.com (secure)]
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Hey David, thank you for the invite.

But, for now, I am going to decline. I need to get results from my tests first, before I feel comfortable to elaborate further.

Those tests are in motion right now.
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bet op tard is still paying taxs.

try stopping and watch the death squad come for you

tardcake
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TELL-LIE-VISION

television

when you watch it, you put the I(you) in television and you get tel(i)evision

tell lie vision
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bet op tard is still paying taxs.

try stopping and watch the death squad come for you

tardcake
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Got $10,000 for a bet. Put your money where your mouth is.

Of course you won't bet because your all Mouth. sk

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