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Why do I have a feeling we're only hearing about this now, because it won't be much use in a few years?

After finding this thread and having my mind blown, I spent the week doing research to try and independently verify this.
Once I was satisfied this looked legit I took my folder of evidence over to my parents house to attempt the
re-education.

I was prepared, as I knew the decades and decades of fear mongering propaganda meant the second I mentioned taxes they'd shut down and not want to hear anything.

Sure enough, firt words out of my moms mouth were "You don't fight the IRS!!!" With an extreme look of worry.

I told her she was right, nobody has ever won fighting the IRS, which is why you play by their rules, then they can't touch you.

So, I laid everything out for them, complete with documentation to back it up. When I get to the kicker, the part about redemming my father interupts me.

He recalled having an old CPA friend of his attempt to convince him to do this 'trick' way back in 1981. He assumed it was just some evasion scam and wrote it off, as I'm sure 95% of everyone who has been told by someone 'in the know' over the years has as well.



So, after blowing their minds with the info I had gathered my dad went to FB and looked up his old pal to ask him some follow up questions.

The guy was there and responded that he indeed redeemed lawful money starting in 1979 and kept records extensively at city hall etc.
He claimed no taxes for over a decade and half...
Before the IRS came a knocking.
He responded with the proof that he'd only used redeemed money and was then horrofied as they whipped out one legal response after another, mostly frivolous but enough to have his head spinning and his wife leaving him.

He got out of prison 2 years ago...

They ended up getting him on multiple counts of tax evasion, according to him, via his insurance and SS.

Moral of the story is, if you attempt to take on the Hydra, vigiliance won't be enough in the end. When the house cheats, you truly have no legal recourse.

Do this at your own peril. So sad that in order to be an upstanding citizen, you have to jump through so many hoops, deal with ridicule from the sheeple and outright refusal from the banks, constantly. All with the thought that one day, some day, they'll come a knocking.
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Many people do the right thing but don't have the ability to deal with the liewers when confronted. Without knowing exactly how he responded it would seem they tripped him up. Why did he still use a SS? I hear people say they couldn't get a drivers license without giving a SS#. I just told them I don't use one. No problem. I'm actually starting to think I've been protected by an old college friend who had to go to work for them. If you're trying to scare people I think you need more details. No link, you stink.
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AC Your account is an interesting STORY but without some sort of evidence, it is just that a story. I known many who pay no taxes due to redeeming lawful money and have had no problems with the IRS. Your statement about his SS# and insurance tripping him up is highly unlikely as they are a horse of a different color, in other words the two are not related legally.

Having or not having a SS in an of itself does not make one taxable or untaxable. The SS# is merely a tracking number used by the IRS and is not related directly to the social security trust/contract. sk
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Some info on the SS#:

At the birth of the Social Security Number (SSN), grave concerns about such a number becoming identificatory in nature predominated. Consequently, extraordinary care was taken in an effort to ensure against any potential for that kind of misuse arising.
In order to manage the individuated accounts, it was necessary for the government, the Social Security Administration, to receive individuated contributions from beneficiaries and their employers. This was an exchange of information between government and business unheard of in a nation of personal liberties and freedoms, and was only known of in fascist and totalitarianist regimes of the time. This was, understandably, unpalatable and a source of great revulsion over the program.
In order to mitigate the fascist implications and the identificatory potentiality of the Social Security Number, the law authorizing the exchange of information between the Social Security Administration and the employers was crafted very narrowly. First, the records of the Social Security Administration itself were essentially sealed, even against other government agencies. Then, employers were ONLY authorized to disclose the SSN itself to the Social Security Administration, in accompaniment to the payment of the individuated contribution. And, in return, the Social Security Administration was ONLY authorized to disclose whether or not the employer-reported number was a valid Social Security Account Number. NO OTHER INFORMATION COULD BE EXCHANGED between the government (Social Security Administration) and employers. No name. No date of birth. No gender. Nothing else. The transmission of information and funds, then, was little different from making a deposit into a numbered bank account - only the number and the funds were necessary.
This narrowly limited scope of exchange between employers and the Social Security Administration remains the rule of law to this day.

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"Social Security Number Related Records" are sealed confidential by federal law [42 U.S.C. § 405(c)(2)(C)(viii)].
Do you need to hear that again?
Sealed confidential.
ANY disclosure of any part of any such records is the same federal felony as disclosure of income tax information filed with the IRS [26 U.S.C. § 7213], punishable by 5 years in federal prison for each such disclosure.
There are NO "routine use" loopholes, no "preexisting use" loopholes, not even an exception that allows disclosure with 'permission' of the person to whom the record belongs.
Sealed confidential.
AND, get this: the record is a "Social Security Number Related Record" merely for any SOLICITATION of a Social Security Number. That is, the person may exercise the right to prohibit the soliciting person or organization from obtaining or accessing a SSN, but the record is still a "Social Security Number Related Record", and thereby it is still sealed confidential.
Please understand this: any person who asks for your Social Security Number is a felon if they then disclose any part of the record about you to any other party, even so much as your name, even to acknowledge the existence of your record. Such records simply cannot be disclosed in any part to any party at any time, period.
This statute has one, and only one, loophole which, as of 2011 is almost never applicable any more: a law, meaning any federal, state or local law, must be applicable to the keeper or keeping of the "Social Security Number Related Record" that was enacted after October 10th, 1990. or the record does not gain a confidential seal.
For example, a state might have decided to pass a law after 1990 mandating that a SSN must be solicited for creation of a birth record for a newborn child. Thus, all such birth records would be utterly sealed, available only to the child described by the record, to whom it belongs.

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Why do I have a feeling we're only hearing about this now, because it won't be much use in a few years?

After finding this thread and having my mind blown, I spent the week doing research to try and independently verify this.
Once I was satisfied this looked legit I took my folder of evidence over to my parents house to attempt the
re-education.

I was prepared, as I knew the decades and decades of fear mongering propaganda meant the second I mentioned taxes they'd shut down and not want to hear anything.

Sure enough, firt words out of my moms mouth were "You don't fight the IRS!!!" With an extreme look of worry.

I told her she was right, nobody has ever won fighting the IRS, which is why you play by their rules, then they can't touch you.

So, I laid everything out for them, complete with documentation to back it up. When I get to the kicker, the part about redemming my father interupts me.

He recalled having an old CPA friend of his attempt to convince him to do this 'trick' way back in 1981. He assumed it was just some evasion scam and wrote it off, as I'm sure 95% of everyone who has been told by someone 'in the know' over the years has as well.

So, after blowing their minds with the info I had gathered my dad went to FB and looked up his old pal to ask him some follow up questions.

The guy was there and responded that he indeed redeemed lawful money starting in 1979 and kept records extensively at city hall etc.
He claimed no taxes for over a decade and half...
Before the IRS came a knocking.
He responded with the proof that he'd only used redeemed money and was then horrofied as they whipped out one legal response after another, mostly frivolous but enough to have his head spinning and his wife leaving him.

He got out of prison 2 years ago...

They ended up getting him on multiple counts of tax evasion, according to him, via his insurance and SS.

Moral of the story is, if you attempt to take on the Hydra, vigiliance won't be enough in the end. When the house cheats, you truly have no legal recourse.

Do this at your own peril. So sad that in order to be an upstanding citizen, you have to jump through so many hoops, deal with ridicule from the sheeple and outright refusal from the banks, constantly. All with the thought that one day, some day, they'll come a knocking.
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Your dad's friend should be able to give us the Federal Case number that sent him to prison, since it is public record.

We have many suitors who have access to the Federal Record, so just give us a name and we can research your claim for ourselves.

By the way, if he was not demanding lawful money with each transaction he undertook, then he was not protected.

We can back up your claim in just a few minutes of research, so let us do it.
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While I am waiting for proof of claim via a case number from the AC, I am going to rant about something.

Nearly every time I speak to the things in this thread, I always get similar 'arguments' from nay sayers.

1. The ALL CAPS name. There are several cases where defendants in cases have argued the ALL CAPS name is not them and therefore the case should be thrown out.

As I have pointed out in this thread, the time to point out that truth is before the acceptance of the ALL CAPS name has already happend. The Government has 'ruled' there is no difference between an ALL CAPS person name and the living man or woman. Well, if that is true, then demand they change it on and for the record. David tells me the legalize term for this is "abatement for misnomer". I call it recording the FACTS and creating a record.

Example:

"On and for the record, the COURT is trying to record that I AM XXXALL CAPS NAMEXXXX, according to written and accepted rules of spelling, MY true name is spelled "Upper Case X, lower case xxxx, Upper case X, lower case xxxx. I will accept no other spelling of my true name on or in any FORM."

Similar things are not the same things, and ALL CAPS names are written that way for a reason. I may not know what that reason is, BUT THEY DO and I will not accept it as being me. Again, if it does not mean anything, they should have no issue spelling it according the rules of spelling we all learned in grade school, RIGHT?

Also, if the ALL CAPS name is not you, then why are you interfering with the CASE anyway? Because they have convinced you to agree it is YOU and now you are there to argue it is not. Let the record you create stand as you stand your ground and stop arguing, its NOT YOUR CASE, only YOUR PUBLIC RECORD. Only after they have forced you to be there under armed threats of violence should not be there. By the way, a letter is not armed force, just so you know.

Never once have I had a man or woman tell me how to spell their name or stop me from spelling it with all CAPITOL letters as a police officer. Start doing it and see what happens, I promise you, it makes a difference when you tell the truth.

Remember, everything you say will be used against you. Therefore, everything you do not say (or correct) will be used against you also.
2. The DATE OF BIRTH. No man or woman can tell me what today is and prove it, therefore, for any man or woman to tell me what 'date' or place I was born, I will call them a liar to their face, on and for the record.

There is a REASON all 'affidavits' sworn (falsely) by police officers start out with "on or about the X day of MONTH, year, blah, blah blah..."

Because it is not provable, so do not agree to it, otherwise, you are a liar as well.

3. NEVER expect them to "agree" with you on any of this, its not their job. Create your record, tell them the truth and the FACTS and take your record of those facts to the District court, open your case with redeemed lawful money and record your judgement there. They have no standing on the land because they are not living the law of the land.

Not legal advise, if you do not overstand something, pray about it and study it until you do and your eyes will be opened.

Good day all.
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It appears as if AC 441 was just doing a drive by.

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Gotta bump for the passport thread...

maybe someone will actually learn something.
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Anyone ever wonder why so many of the talk show speakers leave out lawful money? All the irs talk and jurisdiction talk, without lawful money, falls short.
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Ron Paul preparing to announce tomorrow 4th of July
the implementation of a transitional gov. 4 the USR
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Ron Paul preparing to announce tomorrow 4th of July
the implementation of a transitional gov. 4 the USR
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Where did you get that?
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Anyone ever wonder why so many of the talk show speakers leave out lawful money? All the irs talk and jurisdiction talk, without lawful money, falls short.
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The solution is too simple, its hard to sell books and seminars about 12-USC 411.

Many, many people 'talk' about lawful money, but mostly to say that it is no longer accesible or 'only gold and silver'. Then of course, some try to sell you gold and silver coin, in exchange for non-redeemed Federal Reserve debt notes, of course.

It is literally striking when the scales fall from your eyes and you see the 'lawful money' trust notes on every 2 faced Reserve note currently issued. The only way to hide something is in plane sight and hide it behind double speak and tiny drawn boarders.

I like to call them "Janus Notes".
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Bump!

Also, I'd love to get y'alls opinion of the following:

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cheers!
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I've asked Rob if he uses lawful money and haven't gotten a reply. I don't think this works cause he is still asking for help keeping the lights on. If money was free he would be on a desert island with Fred and Nina.
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I've asked Rob if he uses lawful money and haven't gotten a reply. I don't think this works cause he is still asking for help keeping the lights on. If money was free he would be on a desert island with Fred and Nina.
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I got to the point in the video where he states that it was in effect, "your" (his) currency being deposited into the account. That is simply not true.

YOU and I cannot produce currency without labor. Like an electrical generator, it will not and cannot produce output currency without input energy, that is the law.

Even the Federal Reserve currency is nothing unless and until people/laborers endorse it.

Think about it, the Fed could put trillion dollars into a bank, but without anyone endorsing it means nothing, it would sit in the bank account (like a battery holding a 'charge' bleeding currency (devaluation and interest) till it was gone.

You charge your own account with currency from deposits, and can channel that currency where you choose through withdrawals. But the banks will not add a charge to your account for long without it being taken from somewhere else.

These are simple rules of currency and electricity, and I know very little about, but I know a dead battery and a generator that is not running (me) cannot just 'produce' currency. Contrary to some, there is no zero point energy.

Rod Ryder is wrong and will most likely be 'charged' soon. It is my belief that the have some sort of way to get "currency" from your "person" while you are in jail or prison. That is why the MUST have your legal name to "charge" you, to access your commercial energy/vehicle (the PERSON). To 'pay your debt to society".

I want to know how that works (and I do not), but my spirit tells me it does.
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Ops, its not "your person" its theirs, and when you do not 'produce' for them, they need you to identify (indemnify?) your body as their person for payback currency to happen.

A person charged with a "crime" without a living body producing for it (ie, no living body steps past the BAR and claims their "IDENTITY", simply bleeds currency (much like a battery will bleed energy in a flashlight when the flashlight is not on).

Maybe that is why there are rules about "speedy trials" and "statutes of limitations" since the 'profit currency' of the crime will soon not be as much as the loss of energy it would take to prosecute or find the person the value of the 'charge' is lost?
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I asked Howard Griswald thru the chat on last nights call if he redeemed lawful money. He kinda blew it off. He said they can do whatever they want so it doesn't do much. He drones on and on about breach of fiduciary duty.
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I asked Howard Griswald thru the chat on last nights call if he redeemed lawful money. He kinda blew it off. He said they can do whatever they want so it doesn't do much. He drones on and on about breach of fiduciary duty.
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You cannot add to a cup that is full, and acting on trusts (while ignoring the trust of lawful money redemption per 12 USC 411) alone is being full of 'it'.

Frankly, I do not even care if he is 'winning cases' (even though I doubt it) the point is no case has EVER been brought against a Suitor redeeming lawful money, even though many Suitors have brought their own cases into court and gotten their own judgements recorded.

The Government has had more than enough confessions, on the record, of people redeeming lawful money, it would be nothing for them to actually do something but they leave us alone.

The Government cannot 'do whatever they want' anymore than you or I can 'do whatever we want', there are laws, even on the land.
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1. So what's the difference between these two, and which is preferred on the back of a check?:

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE US TREASURY NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

and

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

2. Also, should/can we add "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" to this check endorsement?
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I and a friend had rubber stamps made up and did this our banks. Eventually the tellers stopped taking instruments with the indorsement stating they were instructed by the bank's security department not to. The teller stated she was told if I were to continue to try to do this the bank would close the account.

My friend said his bank gave him a similar response. I don't think we can force them to take instruments with the indorsement. Anyhow, we have other remedies anyway.
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1. So what's the difference between these two, and which is preferred on the back of a check?:

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE US TREASURY NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

and

DEPOSIT FOR CREDIT ON ACCOUNT OR EXCHANGE FOR NON-NEGOTIABLE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES OF FACE VALUE PER 12 USC § 411.

2. Also, should/can we add "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" to this check endorsement?
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I and a friend had rubber stamps made up and did this our banks. Eventually the tellers stopped taking instruments with the indorsement stating they were instructed by the bank's security department not to. The teller stated she was told if I were to continue to try to do this the bank would close the account.

My friend said his bank gave him a similar response. I don't think we can force them to take instruments with the indorsement. Anyhow, we have other remedies anyway.
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Then continue to do it until they close your account. There are more banks around. Or did the 'tellers' scare you?

I know dealing with girls behind a counter can be scary, but come on.

Please share your "other remedies" and of course, your proof said remedies are recognized by your Government of record, or do I have to pay you some FRNs for that?
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Better yet, make the 'tellers manager' send you a certified letter, singed, telling you they are closing your account for the lawful money demand.

That would allow you to have legal recourse.

Frankly, I do not believe you, since I have done it and been doing it for over 3 years in 2 different states and at numerous banks, for you to give up so easy and not even share your "other remedies" makes me think you are full of it.
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After much thought, it would seem that vipers have entered among the doves.

First, the poster who went to his parents, who 'knew a guy' who had redeemed lawful money and been sent to prison for tax reasons, who they contacted via facebook for confirmation. The whole story seems unlikely at best and contrived (poorly) at worst. A case number would be strong conformation, asked for, but not given.

Next comes the poster who, 'with a friend', rubber stamped restricted endorsements and was then told by 'tellers' they would close accounts should they continue. Also alluded to was mystery 'other remedies' which he did not share.

It seems the shill unit is carefully treading around the subject, telling stories and casting shadows with no substance. Feeble, as are most stories told against truth which is easy to verify for ones self.

Remedy spelled out in 12-USC 411 has stood, mostly unaltered in wording, since the Federal Reserve act was written into 'color of law' more than 70 years ago.

It works.
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After much thought, it would seem that vipers have entered among the doves.

First, the poster who went to his parents, who 'knew a guy' who had redeemed lawful money and been sent to prison for tax reasons, who they contacted via facebook for confirmation. The whole story seems unlikely at best and contrived (poorly) at worst. A case number would be strong conformation, asked for, but not given.

Next comes the poster who, 'with a friend', rubber stamped restricted endorsements and was then told by 'tellers' they would close accounts should they continue. Also alluded to was mystery 'other remedies' which he did not share.

It seems the shill unit is carefully treading around the subject, telling stories and casting shadows with no substance. Feeble, as are most stories told against truth which is easy to verify for ones self.

Remedy spelled out in 12-USC 411 has stood, mostly unaltered in wording, since the Federal Reserve act was written into 'color of law' more than 70 years ago.

It works.
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Dude, relax...

perhaps I simply haven't responded because I missed this thread being bumped and, having read everything here and finding savingforsuitors, I've had better places to spend my time.

As far as proving my claims, screw that, I have nothing to prove to anyone. Take my story as anecdotal and leave it at that. For clarification purposes I did ask my father for a follow up but suffice it to say, he hadn't spoken with the guy in over 16 years and after learning he'd been in prison my father doesn't want to bother reaching out again. I certainly wasn't going to go prying into a stangers life asking for case numbers just to 'prove' my account to a bunch of GLPers.
Believe me or not, I wasn't trying to scare anyone off of this, if you'll actually read my last sentence instead of trying to dismantle everything as shillery you'll see that.

Most my father learned was that they got the guy due to the money his company paid on his behalf into SS and his company coverage insurance, as the company didn't redeem and it didn't pass through his redeem only account. So yeah, dude tripped up, i.e. Be Vigilante guys, just like I said.



I was stressing utmost vigilance, nothing more.
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After much thought, it would seem that vipers have entered among the doves.

First, the poster who went to his parents, who 'knew a guy' who had redeemed lawful money and been sent to prison for tax reasons, who they contacted via facebook for confirmation. The whole story seems unlikely at best and contrived (poorly) at worst. A case number would be strong conformation, asked for, but not given.

Next comes the poster who, 'with a friend', rubber stamped restricted endorsements and was then told by 'tellers' they would close accounts should they continue. Also alluded to was mystery 'other remedies' which he did not share.

It seems the shill unit is carefully treading around the subject, telling stories and casting shadows with no substance. Feeble, as are most stories told against truth which is easy to verify for ones self.

Remedy spelled out in 12-USC 411 has stood, mostly unaltered in wording, since the Federal Reserve act was written into 'color of law' more than 70 years ago.

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Dude, relax...


Thank you for going to savingstosuitorsclub.net. The non-endorsement is just the start. You can now decide when and with whom you want to contract. If some guy in a funny suit says you have to sign a ticket(contract) you can refuse for cause that contract within 72 hours. Be patient in the learning let it soak in.
perhaps I simply haven't responded because I missed this thread being bumped and, having read everything here and finding savingforsuitors, I've had better places to spend my time.

As far as proving my claims, screw that, I have nothing to prove to anyone. Take my story as anecdotal and leave it at that. For clarification purposes I did ask my father for a follow up but suffice it to say, he hadn't spoken with the guy in over 16 years and after learning he'd been in prison my father doesn't want to bother reaching out again. I certainly wasn't going to go prying into a stangers life asking for case numbers just to 'prove' my account to a bunch of GLPers.
Believe me or not, I wasn't trying to scare anyone off of this, if you'll actually read my last sentence instead of trying to dismantle everything as shillery you'll see that.

Most my father learned was that they got the guy due to the money his company paid on his behalf into SS and his company coverage insurance, as the company didn't redeem and it didn't pass through his redeem only account. So yeah, dude tripped up, i.e. Be Vigilante guys, just like I said.



I was stressing utmost vigilance, nothing more.
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bump for people looking.
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